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by zed » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:04 am
Oh Goodie ... the whole deal about the real role van der Sloot had in the disappearance of Natalee and the murder of Stephany!
Wait ... the whole deal means information about the murder in Peru? Please ... not more about the FBI sting operation in Aruba, or Jorans life in prison. It is the mystery, not the players, that is interesting.
book review: Het complete verhaal over de werkelijke rol van Joran van der Sloot bij de verdwijning van Natalee en de moord op Stephany.
Op basis van eigen onderzoek onthullen misdaadjournalisten John van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes van Dagblad De Telegraaf nieuwe feiten over de verdwijning van Natalee, het complot achter de moord op Stephany Flores, intriges bij politie en justitie op Aruba, de rol van de FBI op Aruba en in Peru en het werkelijke leven van Joran in de beruchte Castro Castro gevangenis.
Wait ... the whole deal means information about the murder in Peru? Please ... not more about the FBI sting operation in Aruba, or Jorans life in prison. It is the mystery, not the players, that is interesting.
book review: Het complete verhaal over de werkelijke rol van Joran van der Sloot bij de verdwijning van Natalee en de moord op Stephany.
Op basis van eigen onderzoek onthullen misdaadjournalisten John van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes van Dagblad De Telegraaf nieuwe feiten over de verdwijning van Natalee, het complot achter de moord op Stephany Flores, intriges bij politie en justitie op Aruba, de rol van de FBI op Aruba en in Peru en het werkelijke leven van Joran in de beruchte Castro Castro gevangenis.
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by zed » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:31 am
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Interesting read ... it certainly puts perspective on what the family was going through and how helpless they were in spite of good intentions.
Interesting read ... it certainly puts perspective on what the family was going through and how helpless they were in spite of good intentions.
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by resigned » Sun Jun 26, 2011 1:54 am
[bConfessions of a lady killer
[i][b]Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
Last Updated: 11:49 PM, June 25, 2011
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Comment
Confessions of a lady killer
Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
Last Updated: 11:49 PM, June 25, 2011
Posted: 11:20 PM, June 25, 2011
Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson
St. Martin’s Press[/i][/b]
Joran van der Sloot sits in a rat-infested solitary cell in Miguel Castro Castro Prison, one of the world’s most violent prisons, awaiting a trial that is expected to begin next month. One of the most hated men in the world is finally humbled.
Or perhaps not. There is a strong possibility that he will elude justice once again. Because Peru does not have life sentences or the death penalty, van der Sloot faces, at most, 35 years. He could be out in as little as 20 months.
AP
Joran van der Sloot is accused of killing Stephany Flores with this bloody shirt, as well as being suspected of killing Natalee Holloway.
That’s the twisted luck that seems to follow van der Sloot, whom many American viewers believe got away with murder.
Six years ago, at age 17, he became the chief suspect in the international case of the missing 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot was the last person to see the young cheerleader alive. Holloway’s body was never found, and he was never convicted of the crime.
Then, in a bizarre twist of fate, five years later, on the very date of Holloway’s disappearance, van der Sloot was implicated in another international homicide. In a seedy Peruvian hotel after a night of gambling, he confessed to savagely pummeling a 21-year-old student to death with his fists. Prosecutors say it was a premeditated murder to rob the young woman of her gambling winnings; van der Sloot’s defense team says it was self-defense and a crime of passion.
The people who’ve met van der Sloot describe him as a sociopath, a predator, a psychopath. Journalists Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, in their new examination of his life, have their own label: “Monster.”
Poker face
Joran van der Sloot was born on Aug. 6, 1987 in the Netherlands. Four years later, his family relocated to Aruba, where his father, Paulus, was offered a prominent government job and his mother, Anita, worked as an art teacher.
Joran, oldest of three boys, had been a sweet child initially. His parents enrolled him at an expensive private high school, and in his senior year van der Sloot had already been accepted to six universities, including Saint Leo University in Florida.
He was an accomplished tennis player but “exhibited all the sportsmanship of an uglier version of a young John McEnroe,” the authors write. Though he shot up to 6-foot-4 quickly for a young man, he was still self-conscious about his weight, having been chubby as a child.
Despite his comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle, van der Sloot began to show signs of instability in his teens.
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[i][b]Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
Last Updated: 11:49 PM, June 25, 2011
Facebook names Netflix CEO to board of directors
Comment
Confessions of a lady killer
Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
Last Updated: 11:49 PM, June 25, 2011
Posted: 11:20 PM, June 25, 2011
Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson
St. Martin’s Press[/i][/b]
Joran van der Sloot sits in a rat-infested solitary cell in Miguel Castro Castro Prison, one of the world’s most violent prisons, awaiting a trial that is expected to begin next month. One of the most hated men in the world is finally humbled.
Or perhaps not. There is a strong possibility that he will elude justice once again. Because Peru does not have life sentences or the death penalty, van der Sloot faces, at most, 35 years. He could be out in as little as 20 months.
AP
Joran van der Sloot is accused of killing Stephany Flores with this bloody shirt, as well as being suspected of killing Natalee Holloway.
That’s the twisted luck that seems to follow van der Sloot, whom many American viewers believe got away with murder.
Six years ago, at age 17, he became the chief suspect in the international case of the missing 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot was the last person to see the young cheerleader alive. Holloway’s body was never found, and he was never convicted of the crime.
Then, in a bizarre twist of fate, five years later, on the very date of Holloway’s disappearance, van der Sloot was implicated in another international homicide. In a seedy Peruvian hotel after a night of gambling, he confessed to savagely pummeling a 21-year-old student to death with his fists. Prosecutors say it was a premeditated murder to rob the young woman of her gambling winnings; van der Sloot’s defense team says it was self-defense and a crime of passion.
The people who’ve met van der Sloot describe him as a sociopath, a predator, a psychopath. Journalists Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, in their new examination of his life, have their own label: “Monster.”
Poker face
Joran van der Sloot was born on Aug. 6, 1987 in the Netherlands. Four years later, his family relocated to Aruba, where his father, Paulus, was offered a prominent government job and his mother, Anita, worked as an art teacher.
Joran, oldest of three boys, had been a sweet child initially. His parents enrolled him at an expensive private high school, and in his senior year van der Sloot had already been accepted to six universities, including Saint Leo University in Florida.
He was an accomplished tennis player but “exhibited all the sportsmanship of an uglier version of a young John McEnroe,” the authors write. Though he shot up to 6-foot-4 quickly for a young man, he was still self-conscious about his weight, having been chubby as a child.
Despite his comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle, van der Sloot began to show signs of instability in his teens.
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Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/bo ... z1QMX1UMT1
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by resigned » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:00 am
Confessions of a lady killer
Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
Confessions of a lady killer
Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
June 25, 2011
Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson
St. Martin’s Press
Joran van der Sloot sits in a rat-infested solitary cell in Miguel Castro Castro Prison, one of the world’s most violent prisons, awaiting a trial that is expected to begin next month. One of the most hated men in the world is finally humbled.
Or perhaps not. There is a strong possibility that he will elude justice once again. Because Peru does not have life sentences or the death penalty, van der Sloot faces, at most, 35 years. He could be out in as little as 20 months.
AP
Joran van der Sloot is accused of killing Stephany Flores with this bloody shirt, as well as being suspected of killing Natalee Holloway.
That’s the twisted luck that seems to follow van der Sloot, whom many American viewers believe got away with murder.
Six years ago, at age 17, he became the chief suspect in the international case of the missing 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot was the last person to see the young cheerleader alive. Holloway’s body was never found, and he was never convicted of the crime.
Then, in a bizarre twist of fate, five years later, on the very date of Holloway’s disappearance, van der Sloot was implicated in another international homicide. In a seedy Peruvian hotel after a night of gambling, he confessed to savagely pummeling a 21-year-old student to death with his fists. Prosecutors say it was a premeditated murder to rob the young woman of her gambling winnings; van der Sloot’s defense team says it was self-defense and a crime of passion.
The people who’ve met van der Sloot describe him as a sociopath, a predator, a psychopath. Journalists Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, in their new examination of his life, have their own label: “Monster.”
Poker face
Joran van der Sloot was born on Aug. 6, 1987 in the Netherlands. Four years later, his family relocated to Aruba, where his father, Paulus, was offered a prominent government job and his mother, Anita, worked as an art teacher.
Joran, oldest of three boys, had been a sweet child initially. His parents enrolled him at an expensive private high school, and in his senior year van der Sloot had already been accepted to six universities, including Saint Leo University in Florida.
He was an accomplished tennis player but “exhibited all the sportsmanship of an uglier version of a young John McEnroe,” the authors write. Though he shot up to 6-foot-4 quickly for a young man, he was still self-conscious about his weight, having been chubby as a child.
Despite his comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle, van der Sloot began to show signs of instability in his teens.
<snipped>
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/bo ... z1QMX1UMT1
Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
Confessions of a lady killer
Joran van der Sloot thinks he’ll get away with murder — again
By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
June 25, 2011
Portrait of a Monster
Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery
by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson
St. Martin’s Press
Joran van der Sloot sits in a rat-infested solitary cell in Miguel Castro Castro Prison, one of the world’s most violent prisons, awaiting a trial that is expected to begin next month. One of the most hated men in the world is finally humbled.
Or perhaps not. There is a strong possibility that he will elude justice once again. Because Peru does not have life sentences or the death penalty, van der Sloot faces, at most, 35 years. He could be out in as little as 20 months.
AP
Joran van der Sloot is accused of killing Stephany Flores with this bloody shirt, as well as being suspected of killing Natalee Holloway.
That’s the twisted luck that seems to follow van der Sloot, whom many American viewers believe got away with murder.
Six years ago, at age 17, he became the chief suspect in the international case of the missing 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway. Van der Sloot was the last person to see the young cheerleader alive. Holloway’s body was never found, and he was never convicted of the crime.
Then, in a bizarre twist of fate, five years later, on the very date of Holloway’s disappearance, van der Sloot was implicated in another international homicide. In a seedy Peruvian hotel after a night of gambling, he confessed to savagely pummeling a 21-year-old student to death with his fists. Prosecutors say it was a premeditated murder to rob the young woman of her gambling winnings; van der Sloot’s defense team says it was self-defense and a crime of passion.
The people who’ve met van der Sloot describe him as a sociopath, a predator, a psychopath. Journalists Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, in their new examination of his life, have their own label: “Monster.”
Poker face
Joran van der Sloot was born on Aug. 6, 1987 in the Netherlands. Four years later, his family relocated to Aruba, where his father, Paulus, was offered a prominent government job and his mother, Anita, worked as an art teacher.
Joran, oldest of three boys, had been a sweet child initially. His parents enrolled him at an expensive private high school, and in his senior year van der Sloot had already been accepted to six universities, including Saint Leo University in Florida.
He was an accomplished tennis player but “exhibited all the sportsmanship of an uglier version of a young John McEnroe,” the authors write. Though he shot up to 6-foot-4 quickly for a young man, he was still self-conscious about his weight, having been chubby as a child.
Despite his comfortable upper-middle-class lifestyle, van der Sloot began to show signs of instability in his teens.
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by Black-Tulip » Sun Jun 26, 2011 2:17 am
Why two times? 
Who needs to read such a lousy piece if we have you?
Who needs to read such a lousy piece if we have you?
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Black-Tulip wrote:Why two times?
Who needs to read such a lousy piece if we have you?
For the people with Alzheimers - sometimes it help to supply them with duplicatrs so by the time they read it the second time, they start to recall things menioned in the first print. It's something I picked up volunteering at BARC.
You don't have me, you could never have me, I would not go with you and I don't want you.
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Van der Sloot a "Monster"?
“He seems to be convinced that that he will evade the system once again. He feels like he’s going to emerge from this relatively unscathed.” - Author Lisa Pulitzer.
Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) The title pretty much tells the story. Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van Der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.
The book by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson is due to ship July 5. It traces Joran van der Sloot from a chubby, privileged teenager on Aruba to his cell in Peru's Castro Castro prison awaiting charges in the death of one girl and widespread belief he's responsible for the disappearance of another.
His few supporters think he's a persecuted victim. Many others agree with the authors that he's a monster. Prison psychiatrists in Peru call him a sociopath. Others think he's an international serial killer.
One thing for sure, he's inalterably changed the lives of the Holloway and Flores families while grabbing notoriety and attention worldwide.
His dubious fame started the night he left an Oranjestad nightclub with 18 year old Natalee Holloway. The Mountain Brook teen was on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was never seen again. Van der Sloot became infamous during the investigation.
Five years of innuendo, false confessions and changing stories. His supporters claim he is the victim of the vindictive Holloway-Twitty family. Much of the world thinks he got away with murder.
And on the fifth anniversay of Natalee's disappearance, the corpse of another young woman is found in Room 309 of Lima's TAC Hotel. A room registered to Joran van der Sloot. He was arrested in Chile days later and has been in prison awaiting trial since.
He says he killed Stephany Flores in self defense and anger after she found material about Natalee on his laptop. Peru says he robbed and murdered her for money because he was broke and desperate.
So far it's added up to at least a half dozen books, a series of investigations and television specials by Dutch crime reporters including a hidden camera confrontation with Natalee's mother Beth.
Beth Holloway has a career on the lecture circuit plus movies and a weekly series on cable network Lifetime.
Dutch film maker Paul Ruven has a movie coming out that retells the story from the eyes of a fictional reporter.
So what does the new book have to add or offer? It's a comprehensive profile of the problems van der Sloot displayed before and after Natalee Holloway including a jaunt to Thailand when Aruba became too uncomfortable to stay in. And there's the pervasive thread of getting away with it.
Author Pulitzer told the NY Post, “He seems to be convinced that that he will evade the system once again. He feels like he’s going to emerge from this relatively unscathed.”
Van der Sloot's legal proceedings have finally started moving forward after more than a year in custody. He wants a plea bargain sentence of 3-5 years. The robbery-murder conviction prosecutors want could mean life behind bars.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/ ... LBn_w.cspx
“He seems to be convinced that that he will evade the system once again. He feels like he’s going to emerge from this relatively unscathed.” - Author Lisa Pulitzer.
Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) The title pretty much tells the story. Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van Der Sloot, a Murder in Peru and the Natalee Holloway Mystery.
The book by Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson is due to ship July 5. It traces Joran van der Sloot from a chubby, privileged teenager on Aruba to his cell in Peru's Castro Castro prison awaiting charges in the death of one girl and widespread belief he's responsible for the disappearance of another.
His few supporters think he's a persecuted victim. Many others agree with the authors that he's a monster. Prison psychiatrists in Peru call him a sociopath. Others think he's an international serial killer.
One thing for sure, he's inalterably changed the lives of the Holloway and Flores families while grabbing notoriety and attention worldwide.
His dubious fame started the night he left an Oranjestad nightclub with 18 year old Natalee Holloway. The Mountain Brook teen was on a graduation trip to Aruba. She was never seen again. Van der Sloot became infamous during the investigation.
Five years of innuendo, false confessions and changing stories. His supporters claim he is the victim of the vindictive Holloway-Twitty family. Much of the world thinks he got away with murder.
And on the fifth anniversay of Natalee's disappearance, the corpse of another young woman is found in Room 309 of Lima's TAC Hotel. A room registered to Joran van der Sloot. He was arrested in Chile days later and has been in prison awaiting trial since.
He says he killed Stephany Flores in self defense and anger after she found material about Natalee on his laptop. Peru says he robbed and murdered her for money because he was broke and desperate.
So far it's added up to at least a half dozen books, a series of investigations and television specials by Dutch crime reporters including a hidden camera confrontation with Natalee's mother Beth.
Beth Holloway has a career on the lecture circuit plus movies and a weekly series on cable network Lifetime.
Dutch film maker Paul Ruven has a movie coming out that retells the story from the eyes of a fictional reporter.
So what does the new book have to add or offer? It's a comprehensive profile of the problems van der Sloot displayed before and after Natalee Holloway including a jaunt to Thailand when Aruba became too uncomfortable to stay in. And there's the pervasive thread of getting away with it.
Author Pulitzer told the NY Post, “He seems to be convinced that that he will evade the system once again. He feels like he’s going to emerge from this relatively unscathed.”
Van der Sloot's legal proceedings have finally started moving forward after more than a year in custody. He wants a plea bargain sentence of 3-5 years. The robbery-murder conviction prosecutors want could mean life behind bars.
http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/ ... LBn_w.cspx
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by resigned » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:14 pm
iquitos wrote:he is still chubby. did lisa talk to him? is she pregnant?
Wheeeeeee....
...let the trashing begin. Who is this Lisa Pulitzer and how dare she write a book about the wonderful, glorious, Joran van der Sloot?
* note to the Tulip - iquitos double-posted again. nanny nanny boo boo...
.shoudn't you be taking your quizical position and asking why? Last edited by resigned on Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: hear tell
by resigned » Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:18 pm
iquitos wrote:he is still chubby. did lisa talk to him? is she pregnant?
And word was that he was always athletic. kicking that soccer ball from casino to casino.
Didn't his parents notice that something was always eating at him or vice versa.
It's all about having the proper parents, ya know.
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Authors on the Air July 6, 2011
Lisa Pulitzer and Cole Thompson, authors of Portrait of a Monster: Joran Van der Sloot, A Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218) will appear on the Today show.
Due to the nature of live programming, scheduling is subject to change.
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by resigned » Thu Jul 07, 2011 5:55 pm
According to the book - Paulus was a regular at the baccarat tables - and due to his influence with his government position made it easier for Joran to be an underage regular in the casino.
Joran had been a frequent patron of the Palm Beach casinos for about a year prior to Natalee's disappearance ~ he considered himself a local "island boy" while his parents would have preferred that he be friends with children from their insular circle of ex-pats. How snobbish of them. ......Anita thought Joran just needed some yoga and meditation to work out his kinks. LOL She was looking forward to him attending St. Leo's because she thought the Catholic U. would give him the disciplined structure that he needed.
Maybe he just didn't want to go where his mother wanted to him to go.... first St. Leo's and wham ~ Natalee - then the psyche hospital and wham ~ Stephany.
Joran had been a frequent patron of the Palm Beach casinos for about a year prior to Natalee's disappearance ~ he considered himself a local "island boy" while his parents would have preferred that he be friends with children from their insular circle of ex-pats.
How snobbish of them. ......Anita thought Joran just needed some yoga and meditation to work out his kinks. LOL She was looking forward to him attending St. Leo's because she thought the Catholic U. would give him the disciplined structure that he needed.
Maybe he just didn't want to go where his mother wanted to him to go.... first St. Leo's and wham ~ Natalee - then the psyche hospital and wham ~ Stephany.
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Acknowledgements
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Authors' Note: While writing this book, we reached out to Joran's Peruvian attorney, Maximo Altez, and attempted to arrange a jailhouse interview with inmate #326390. After conferring with his client, Altez responded. "His mother doesn't think it is a good idea," he told us in a telephone call. "Perhaps after the trial?" he suggested.
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The check's in the mail.
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Authors' Note: While writing this book, we reached out to Joran's Peruvian attorney, Maximo Altez, and attempted to arrange a jailhouse interview with inmate #326390. After conferring with his client, Altez responded. "His mother doesn't think it is a good idea," he told us in a telephone call. "Perhaps after the trial?" he suggested.
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The check's in the mail.
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Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011
Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.
http://tinyurl.com/3o2lpzs
Jul 19, 2011
Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.
http://tinyurl.com/3o2lpzs
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by K_Meine » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:02 pm
resigned wrote:According to the book - Paulus was a regular at the baccarat tables - and due to his influence with his government position made it easier for Joran to be an underage regular in the casino.
Joran had been a frequent patron of the Palm Beach casinos for about a year prior to Natalee's disappearance ~ he considered himself a local "island boy" while his parents would have preferred that he be friends with children from their insular circle of ex-pats.
Maybe he just didn't want to go where his mother wanted to him to go.... first St. Leo's and wham ~ Natalee - then the psyche hospital and wham ~ Stephany.
The structure and examples he needed should have come from home......not from Uni or the casino's. Poor Joran.....seriously I do in many ways feel bad for him but not bad enough for him not to take responsibility for his ways.
“Confession is the first step to repentance.”
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by patricehenri » Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:11 pm
K_Meine wrote:
The structure and examples he needed should have come from home......not from Uni or the casino's. Poor Joran.....seriously I do in many ways feel bad for him but not bad enough for him not to take responsibility for his ways.
Very true.
Hoity Paloity.
From gutter swamp people in Mississippi, to the almighty Kingdom of Mountain Brook, AL, doesn't change a thing.
A drunk swamp person from the lower quadrant will remain the same.
Pity that THAT particular family where burdened with being lower class delta people seeking higher ground thinking it would make them "right"
DARWIN'S LAW
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by Carling » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:30 am
This work of fiction seems to have carried favor with those less inclined or unable to separate fact from fiction.
I notice another forum is all over this like a cheap suit.
One question I have for these fictional writers is how does fighting with his brother go to almost killing him?
I notice another forum is all over this like a cheap suit.
One question I have for these fictional writers is how does fighting with his brother go to almost killing him?
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