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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:38 am

Arubalover wrote:The death of Natasha Richardson is so bizarre. It just goes to show how fragile life really is. She must have hit her head really hard on some very hard packed snow or something.

I feel so sorry for her sons especially. Those poor boys must be in shock over their mom being fine just two days ago.

My heart and prayers go out to them.




The fact that Richardson was not wearing a helmet may or may not have made a difference in the gravity of her injury. If skiers are moving slowly - say 10 m.p.h. or slower - and they fall on soft snow, they're probably not going to be hurt severely, whether they're wearing a helmet or not. If they're moving faster than 15 or 20 m.p.h. and strike ice, hard-packed snow or another solid object with the head, they're likely to suffer severe injury, and again the presence of a helmet may not make much difference. It's in the middle area - at speeds that are neither very slow nor very fast - that a helmet can play the biggest role. The trick, of course, is that you never know when you're going to be in that gray zone, since even slow beginner skiers can lose control and speed up, and high-speed skiers have to slow down eventually.

Physics makes things trickier still, causing different parts of the body to move at different speeds. Your skis or snowboard may be sliding along at a slow 10 m.p.h., but if you catch a tip or edge on something stationary, the rest of you plunges forward and accelerates. "The body acts as an inverted pendulum, so the upper body moves much faster than the lower body," says Shealy.

Once you do fall and hit, the brain can do much more than just bump the inside of the skull. "You can have stretching of cortical connections or stretching of blood vessels, and that can lead to bleeding," Shealy says. "You can also have linear or rotational acceleration [of the brain]. There's a lot that can go wrong in there."



i found the above excerpts in one of the many articles written on her tragic accident...

her instructor brought her down from the slopes immediately, and was insisting she seek medical attention.....from that i gather he thought it was best to do so...

could there have been something that was dormant, and just exacerbated with the fall?
i also thought she was declared brain dead in canada, and only went home for the final diagnosis, otherwise i doubt the hospitals would have released her body so soon...jmo
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:18 am

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SUDDEN END
When Liam Neeson learned that wife Natasha Richardson (pictured in October) had suffered a severe brain injury after a ski accident at Quebec's Mont Tremblant resort on March 16, he immediately flew to her side from a Toronto film set. Sadly, Neeson was faced with the unimaginable reality that the 45-year-old actress would never recover; her death was announced just two days later
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:19 am

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FAMILY FIRST
"I want my sons to be my priority," Richardson once said of Micheal, 13, and Daniel, 12. The actress made sure she was never away from her boys for long, and alternated her schedule with Neeson's so that one parent was always home. "She was fierce as a mother and really took that role seriously," said director Scott Ellis, who had worked with Richardson and her own mother, Vanessa Redgrave, in a charity performance of Stephen Sondheim's A Little Night Music in January.
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:20 am

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INSTANT CHEMISTRY
After costarring in the 1993 Broadway revival of Eugene O'Neill's Anna Christie, Richardson fell "madly, passionately" in love with Neeson. The Irish actor – who'd been linked with Julia Roberts and Barbra Streisand – had considered himself a confirmed bachelor. But on July 3, 1994, he tied the knot with the divorced actress (who'd been married to British producer Richard Fox) at their home in rural Millbrook, N.Y. "I can't believe I was lucky enough to meet my soul mate," Richardson later said.
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:20 am

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Born into a famous family, Richardson was the daughter of Oscar winner Vanessa Redgrave and British director Tony Richardson, and the granddaughter of legendary British stage actor Sir Michael Redgrave. She was also close to her younger sister, Nip/Tuck star Joely Richardson (pictured with her big sis and mom in 1968). Growing up, the two siblings "looked after each other," Joely told PEOPLE in 2005.
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:21 am

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GOLDEN MOMENT
In 1998, Richardson scored a Tony Award for best actress in a musical for her portrayal of brassy English singer Sally Bowles in Broadway's Cabaret. On her big night, she told PEOPLE: "I'm excited, I'm nervous, and I'm glad to be here."
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:22 am

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DOUBLE THE FUN
Richardson was introduced to a new generation when she starred as mom to twin Lindsay Lohans in the 1998 remake of the classic Disney movie The Parent Trap.
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:23 am

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'THEATER ROYALTY'
"She regarded her mother as theater royalty, but not herself that way," said director Scott Ellis of Richardson (in 2000 with mom Redgrave and sister Joely). At 23, the actress won the London Drama Critics' Circle award as most promising newcomer when she appeared opposite her mother in Chekov's The Seagull. The two worked together most recently in the 2007 film Evening and onstage in January in A Little Night Music. "Having the chance to work with your mother, who is an extraordinary actress, is a dream come true," Richardson said.
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A passionate advocate for AIDS research, Richardson (at an amfAR gala in New York City in February) became involved with the cause after her father died from the disease in 1991. "We had a wonderful relationship," she told Britain's Sunday Express about her dad, whose bisexuality was only publicly discussed after his death. "I accepted him for who he was. There never had to be any explanation."
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:24 am

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ALL THAT MATTERED
Life was all about family and friends for Richardson and Neeson (on vacation in Saint-Tropez in 2005), who split their time between an apartment in New York City and a country house in upstate New York. "I love to cook," the actress, who recently appeared as a judge on Top Chef, once told PEOPLE. "That's my passion."
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LOVING LEGACY
To all who knew her, Richardson will be remembered above all as a talented actress who put her family first. Said Nick Moore, who directed her in last year's Wild Child: "Whenever she was needed, she'd go straight home to Liam and the kids." As Richardson put it, "It takes a lot of hard work," she told PEOPLE in 1998, "and a lot of love."
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Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:20 pm

Paramedics Turned Away After Richardson's Fall, According To Ambulance Company

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Reports have revealed that an ambulance was immediately called to the scene of Natasha Richardson's fatal fall in Canada on Monday, but EMT workers were turned away before they ever reached Richardson.

Assuming the actress was unharmed after her tumble, paramedics were told their services were no longer needed.

Even though Natasha was "laughing and joking" after the accident, head trauma can take a turn for the worse hours or even days after the impact.

"When you have a head trauma you can bleed," said Yves Coderre, director of the ambulance company that services Mont Tremblant. "People don't realize it can be very serious. We warn them they can die and sometimes they start to laugh. The don't take it seriously."

As for Richardson, he says his ambulance crew "never saw the patient,” said Mr. Coderre, whose company, Ambulances Radisson, serves Mont Tremblant. “So they turned around.”

In light of the tragedy at hand, there is a lesson to be learned from the accident - head trauma should always be checked out by a professional, no matter how serious you think the injury may be.
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Richardson Died of ‘Blunt Impact,’ Medical Examiner Says

Postby olympic » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:01 pm

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An autopsy of the actress Natasha Richardson on Thursday indicated that she died of a brain hemorrhage caused by “blunt impact” to her head, the chief medical examiner for New York City said.


Ms. Richardson, 45, died on Wednesday in a Manhattan hospital, two days after what appeared to be a minor fall on a beginner’s ski slope north of Montreal. She initially turned down medical treatment but an hour later complained of a severe headache and was taken by ambulance to a hospital.

The autopsy suggests that the fall tore an artery in Ms. Richardson’s head, resulting in bleeding in an area between the skull and the lining covering the brain, called the dura mater. Ms. Richardson’s death was ruled an accident, said Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office.

While there were many rumors on Thursday that Ms. Richardson had been an organ donor, Ms. Borakove said the medical examiner’s office would not comment on whether she had.

The official cause of death was an epidural hematoma. A hematoma is a collection of blood, and epidural in this case refers to the space between the skull and the dura. If surgery is performed quickly, it may be possible to save the patient’s life, doctors said.

The description of Ms. Richardson’s behavior after she fell fits with the initially subtle symptoms of the condition, said a brain surgeon not involved in her care, Dr. David J. Langer, the director of cerebrovascular neurosurgery at St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital, Beth Israel Medical Center and Long Island College Hospital, and an assistant professor at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Yeshiva University.

At first, Ms. Richardson was up and about, but she soon developed a crushing headache.

“People classically have a lucid interval, like what she had,” Dr. Langer said, adding that symptoms develop as the bleeding continues and the clot grows big enough to press on the brain. Epidural hematomas do show up on CT scans, and surgery is needed quickly — ideally within an hour — to relieve the pressure, remove the clot and stop the bleeding. “You get the clot out and they can do O.K., and recover beautifully,” Dr. Langer said.

An epidural hematoma can result from damage to a blood vessel in the dura, usually the middle meningeal artery, which is very closely affixed to the skull and the dura, Dr. Langer said. Often the cause of the injury is a blow to the head just above the ear, which can lacerate the artery.

“It can bleed profoundly, causing a clot that expands between the skull and the dura, and you get pressure on the brain,” Dr. Langer said. “It can be quite dramatic. It’s one of the most acute neurological emergencies. It’s one of the few times where it’s life or death, where you can truly save somebody’s life, or they die if you don’t get to them.”

To have suffered an epidural hematoma, Dr. Langer said: “She must have hit her head on something. You have to have a laceration of this artery.”

Ms. Richardson’s sudden death left not only sadness — Broadway dimmed the marquee lights before its 8 p.m. performances on Thursday in her memory — but also unsettling questions about how a seemingly minor accident could have caused a grave injury.

A spokeswoman for the ski resort, Mont Tremblant, said earlier this week that Ms. Richardson — who was not wearing a helmet — fell on soft snow, did not appear to have hit her head, did not lose consciousness and joked about falling. But she immediately stopped skiing and returned to her hotel room, accompanied by her instructor and a member of the ski patrol, who were following the resort’s procedure, said the spokeswoman, Lyne Lortie.

Ms. Lortie said that the ski patrol member also advised Ms. Richardson to see a doctor, but that she declined to do so. The reason for that advice is not known, but people who take minor spills on ski slopes are not usually urged to see a doctor unless they are showing some sign of an injury.

After the medical examiner’s office released the cause of Ms. Richardson’s death on Thursday, Ms. Lortie said Mont Tremblant would not comment further out of respect for the family’s privacy.

Ms. Lortie said in an earlier statement that the resort staff intended to cooperate fully with “any resulting investigations.”

Mont Tremblant has not explained why such a high level of attention was paid to Ms. Richardson after she experienced what the resort’s representatives have characterized as an unexceptional fall. It also has not addressed questions raised by a report on Thursday in The Globe and Mail of Toronto, which quoted the director of a local ambulance service as saying that an ambulance was summoned to the ski resort shortly after the fall but that it was turned away because treatment was not needed.

About one hour after the accident, however, another ambulance was dispatched to Ms. Richardson’s hotel. It took her to a small hospital in nearby Ste. Agathe, Quebec, where she was stabilized before being sent in another ambulance to a major medical center about 50 miles away in Montreal, Hôpital du Sacré-Coeur de Montréal. Citing Quebec’s privacy laws, hospital officials declined to describe her condition or say what tests or treatments she received there.

Early Tuesday afternoon, about 24 hours after she fell, an ambulance took her from the Montreal hospital to the airport, and she was flown to New York. She was then taken to Lenox Hill Hospital, where she died the next day.
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Family, friends gather for viewing for Natasha Richardson

Postby olympic » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:40 am

NEW YORK - Liam Neeson looked distraught but grateful for the outpouring of sympathy as he greeted grieving family members and friends who attended a private viewing for wife Natasha Richardson on Friday.

Neeson was the last to leave the viewing at the Upper East Side's American Irish Historical Society, where he was joined by the couple's sons, - Micheal, 13, and Daniel, 12 - as well as Richardson's mother, Vanessa Redgrave, and sister, Joely Richardson. An array of famous friends came to express their sadness about the family's sudden loss.

Neeson hugged friends as he left the society's building at 8:40 p.m., after more than six hours of receiving condolences from friends including Mike Nichols, Diane Sawyer, Matthew Modine, Ralph Fiennes, Uma Thurman, Ethan Hawke, and Sarah Jessica Parker.

Also among the stream of visitors were Kenneth Cole, Laura Linney, Fisher Stevens, Howard Stern, Stanley Tucci, Julianna Margulies and Mathilde Krim of the American Foundation of AIDS Research. Richardson had served on the charity's board of trustees since 2006.

"She looked incredibly beautiful," Krim said, adding that everyone appeared to be in shock and Neeson looked distraught as he received everybody.

Earlier Friday, friends continued to express their grief over her death from the fall she took on a ski slope.


"Natasha was a very close friend of our family, so it's been a very, very sad few days, and I think it will stay that way for a good while," Matthew Broderick said.

Actor Jonathan Cake said: "I had dinner with her Saturday night. ... She left to ski the next day."

Theatres in London's West End dimmed their lights Friday to mark Richardson's death, just as Broadway theatres did Thursday. In a tribute to the stage and screen actress, the lights were lowered before the curtains went up on evening performances.

Richardson, 45, died Wednesday at Lenox Hill Hospital after falling at the Mont Tremblant resort in Quebec on Monday. The New York City medical examiner's office ruled her death was an accident.

Nearly four hours elapsed between her fall and her admission to a hospital. The director of operations at the emergency services company that sent paramedics to the resort said the actress initially declined medical attention, but a second 911 call was made more than two hours later. Medics returned and tended her for a half-hour before transporting her to a hospital a 40-minute drive away.


Montreal's top head trauma doctor said Friday that the lack of medical helicopters in the province of Quebec may have played a role in Richardson's death.


"It's impossible for me to comment specifically about her case, but what I could say is ... driving to Mont Tremblant from the city (Montreal) is a 2 1/2-hour trip, and the closest trauma centre is in the city. Our system isn't set up for traumas and doesn't match what's available in other Canadian cities, let alone in the States," said Tarek Razek, director of trauma services for the McGill University Health Centre, which represents six of Montreal's hospitals.


Being driven by ambulance to two separate hospitals, rather than airlifted by helicopter directly to a trauma centre, could have cost Richardson crucial moments, he said.


"A helicopter is obviously the fastest way to get from Point A to Point B," he said.


Centre Hospitalier Laurentien, the first treatment centre Richardson was brought to, does not specialize in head traumas, so her speedy transfer to Sacre Coeur Hospital in Montreal was critical, said Razek.


"It's one of the classic presentations of head injuries, 'talking and dying,' where they may lose consciousness for a minute, but then feel fine," said Razek.

Razek said immediate treatment might have helped Richardson but added: "There are so many variables, it's hard to speculate what might have been done differently."
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Postby olympic » Sat Mar 21, 2009 2:43 am

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The body of Natasha Richardson is removed from the Greenwich Village Funeral Home in New York on March 20

Liam Neeson gathered with friends and loved ones at the American Irish Historical Society on Manhattan's Upper East Side Friday afternoon for a private viewing of his wife Natasha Richardson's body two days after her tragic death following a ski accident while on vacation in Canada.

Among those attending were Uma Thurman, Diane Sawyer and Richardson's mother, Vanessa Redgrave, and sister, Joely Richardson.

At 2:20 p.m., shortly after a silver hearse pulled away from Society headquarters on Fifth Avenue, across from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, Neeson, in a black suit and dark sunglasses, arrived in a black Mercedes and walked quickly inside with one of his young sons, pausing only long enough to greet one mourner.

Longtime Richardson friend, Mathilde Krim, who is the founding chairman of the AIDS research organization amfAR, described the wake as "very respectful." The tearful Krim told PEOPLE that Richardson, looked "beautiful, incredibly beautiful" in her casket.

The previous night, when Broadway paid tribute to Richardson by dimming marquee lights for a one minute, Neeson was captured on tape speaking of "a traditional Irish wake," presumably this Friday's event.

Soon after Neeson's arrival, Vanessa Redgrave showed up with a small child in her arms. As those paying respects continued to stream in, food arrived for the mourners commemorating a woman who will long be remembered as one of the theater world's most graceful actresses. Neeson, who has sons Micheal, 13, and Daniel, 12, with Richardson, married his wife in 1994. They would have celebrated their 15th wedding anniversary on July 3.

In a statement Friday, friend Sarah Jessica Parker, quoting the song lyrics "Every time we say goodbye, I die a little/Every time we say goodbye, I wonder why a little," said: "It's as if Cole Porter were writing the sentiments of everyone who was privileged enough to know, work with or love the late great Ms. Richardson."
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Liam Neeon, Family and Friends at Natasha Richardson wake

Postby olympic » Sat Mar 21, 2009 3:11 am

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Natasha's sister Joely

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Vanessa Redgrave Mother of Natasha

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Lauren Bacall

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Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker

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Fisher Stevens

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Howard and Beth Stern

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Uma Thurman and fiance Arpad Busson

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Matthew Modine

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Griffin Dunne and Stanley Tucci

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Ethan Hawke

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Michael Neeson son of Natasha and Liam Neeson

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Diane Sawyer

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Liam Neeson Natasha's Husband
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Richardson's casket taken to upstate home

Postby olympic » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:30 am

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The casket of actress Natasha Richardson is placed in a hearse in New York on Saturday, March 21, 2009. …

NEW YORK – A mahogany casket bearing Natasha Richardson's body was taken Saturday to the country home where she married Liam Neeson in 1994, according to a published report.

The actress' coffin — emblazoned with an Irish claddagh symbol, signifying love, friendship and loyalty — was driven from a Manhattan townhouse to the couple's farmhouse near upstate Millbrook, the New York Daily News reported. Screen and stage stars had paid their respects at a private viewing the night before.

The newspaper said state police and local sheriff's deputies kept reporters at a distance as a silver-colored hearse turned into the couple's home, in a scenic stretch of hills and horse farms about 90 miles north of New York City in the Hudson Valley.

Richardson's maternal grandmother, the actress Rachel Kempson, died while visiting her granddaughter and Neeson there in 2003.

On Saturday night, there was a "road closed" sign on the entrance to the rural road to the couple's property.

There has been no official word on a funeral, but reports have suggested one is planned Sunday in Millbrook. State police and the Dutchess County Sheriff's office said Saturday night they had no information on any arrangements for Richardson.

Richardson, 45, died Wednesday at a New York hospital after falling and hitting her head while skiing in Canada.

Neeson greeted a stream of celebrity mourners at a private viewing Friday at the American Irish Historical Society's headquarters in a Manhattan townhouse. Actors Ralph Fiennes and Ethan Hawke, actresses Uma Thurman and Sarah Jessica Parker, the designer Kenneth Cole and shock jock Howard Stern were among those who paid their respects.
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Postby yankee-in-france » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:55 am

What a tragedy, the life of a vital woman in her prime taken far too soon and why? I have been in Quebec. It is hard for me to believe that they couldn't get a helicopter to fly her either to a trauma center in Quebec City or Montreal. Why didn't the initial local hospital get in touch with her family and tell them that time was absolutely critical. Instead they put her in another ambulance to be jostled around on the road for another 2-1/2 hours to Montreal. I am sure that did the swelling in her brain no good. I don't understand.

I don't think that the resort did anything wrong but the publicity that they are 2-1/2 hours away from the nearest trauma center isn't going to help either. Skiing can be dangerous, any sport can. Life is dangerous, but hell, 2-1/2 hours away from a trauma center isn't the resort I will go to, no matter how posh it is.
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Natasha Richardson Is Laid to Rest Near Her Home

Postby olympic » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:47 pm

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Family and friends of Natasha Richardson said their final goodbye to the star of stage and film during a funeral at St. Peter's Church in Millbrook, N.Y., on Sunday.

Under a bright sun on a cold spring day, Richardson's husband Liam Neeson, their sons, Micheal, 13, and Daniel, 12, her mother Vanessa Redgrave, her sister Joely Richardson and dear friends such as Uma Thurman, Ralph Fiennes and Mia Farrow arrived at St. Peter's Church at 2:30 p.m. local time.

Neeson, looking somber in a dark suit and sunglasses, briefly posed for photographers with his family before walking to the hearse, where he was the first to put his hand on the mahogany casket, which he and six other pallbearers carried to the church.

The ceremony lasted a little more than an hour. As the funeral ended, the sky began to turn overcast. Neeson and the family drove to a nearby cemetery, where the burial took place under a large green tent. There, a grieving Vanessa Redgrave gave a thumbs-up to the fans and reporters who had gathered.

Richardson was laid to rest in the same cemetery where her grandmother Rachel Redgrave, the mother of Vanessa Redgrave, is buried. The two plots face each other.

After the burial service, Neeson joined Vanessa on a short walk to Rachel's grave, where they paid their respects to the Redgrave family matriarch. Lynn followed afterwards.

At 4:45 p.m., Neeson left the cemetery after his final goodbye.

Neeson shared a home nearby with his late wife, who died after a ski accident that resulted in severe brain trauma.
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Postby olympic » Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:13 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:What a tragedy, the life of a vital woman in her prime taken far too soon and why? I have been in Quebec. It is hard for me to believe that they couldn't get a helicopter to fly her either to a trauma center in Quebec City or Montreal. Why didn't the initial local hospital get in touch with her family and tell them that time was absolutely critical. Instead they put her in another ambulance to be jostled around on the road for another 2-1/2 hours to Montreal. I am sure that did the swelling in her brain no good. I don't understand.

I don't think that the resort did anything wrong but the publicity that they are 2-1/2 hours away from the nearest trauma center isn't going to help either. Skiing can be dangerous, any sport can. Life is dangerous, but hell, 2-1/2 hours away from a trauma center isn't the resort I will go to, no matter how posh it is.


i guess it takes a tragedy yankee :( ......you can't tell me a major skii resort operating at full capacity never had a previous accident?....it were most likely someone obscure, and no one famous.......not only does the tonwship not have a trauma center, but the province of quebec lacks a proper medical helicopter system, compared to resorts in the united states, and some parts of canada.....celebrities and their obsession to remain annonymous coupled with the over-zealous paparazzi will continue at the expense of their life. :(

do you think liam neeson should pursue this further with the resort/doctors/etc.?

i think here is a perfect opportunity for her family and fans to establish a foundation and in her honor get the township a medical helicopter...
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Postby yankee-in-france » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:02 am

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i guess it takes a tragedy yankee :( ......you can't tell me a major skii resort operating at full capacity never had a previous accident?....it were most likely someone obscure, and no one famous.......not only does the tonwship not have a trauma center, but the province of quebec lacks a proper medical helicopter system, compared to resorts in the united states, and some parts of canada.....celebrities and their obsession to remain annonymous coupled with the over-zealous paparazzi will continue at the expense of their life. :(

do you think liam neeson should pursue this further with the resort/doctors/etc.?

i think here is a perfect opportunity for her family and fans to establish a foundation and in her honor get the township a medical helicopter...


Olly, I don't know whether Liam should pursue it further, but I also read that the first ambulance crew that arrived at the resort and was sent away by the resort did not observe Natasha laughing and walking off her fall but rather observed her sitting on a stretcher. A malpractice claim even if successful is not going to bring her back to life so I think that your idea of a medical helicopter is probably a darn good one.

-- but weren't there any helicopters around that could have taken her from the first hospital to Montreal? Does it need to be a medical helicopter? Can't they just put a stretcher into a regular helicopter?
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Postby yankee-in-france » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:19 am

Just had a discussion with our Kay the Kitten about the medical helicopter. With Kay's permission, here is a link and her response to the article in the Montreal Gazette relating to this issue. And again, Kay, thanks for enlightening me. :)

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Health/R ... story.html

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God, the male bovine fecal excretory matter is soooooo thick.... The whole air ambulance thing is a red herring in this case, let’s look at reality Yeah I know facts hurt....

1- In no place is the Helicopters at every hospital, they are located at the trauma centers and fly out when needed. The best systems like Baltimore have cross trained and equipped the State police as Paramedics and use traffic helicopters as well as dedicated units for patient transport. So lets say the doctor decides to transfer the patient to Montreal ... the call goes in and the helicopter has to fly both ways, not one way.....

2- In places with medvac capacity about the only patients who are picked up anywhere but at an intermediate hospital are massive poly trauma cases ( think gunshots, or bad car accident), In other cases, including this the patient goes to the local hospital where the decision is made to transfer or not.

3)- Helicopters and crews (unlike on TV) do not just run out and fly off into the wild blue yonder, or sit in the helicopter with the engine idleing and hot waiting for a call. There are things called checklists to be done, then the helicopter has to start up, time be given for the engine to warm up and stabilize and air control clearance be obtained (No this is not "True Lies" where you scream trough controlled airspace willy nilly) 4) Mont Tremblant hospital to Sacre Couer is only 116 Km (72 Miles for our US friends) and the run is down a 4 lane express way. Say this is considered a real emergency, the ambulance can maintain easily 120Km/h easily (75 Miles per Hour)

5) A Daulphin 2 ( which is a model of Air Ambulance helicopter that was once proposed for Quebec and is a popular model that is safe to use in this type of service ( Twin engine and full IFR which are required for night flight and a shielded tail rotor for safety) can fly at a Maximum speed of 300 Km per hour

Lets Compare Ambulance 1 hour and probably less as most drivers would have leaned even harder on the gas. (don't forget unlike the Helicopter the Ambulance is making a one way trip , since it was already in Mont Tremblant, and was probably in the Emergency Parking, as the local Doctor would have told them to wait with the patient on their stretcher while he called and got clearance to transfer, (Assuming that he was competent enough to realize what was going on) Helicopter 2 to 3 minutes for the crew to dress and run out to the chopper, Start up and ATC clearance 5 to 10 minutes, fly there 22 Minutes , overfly the Landing pad, verify all is clear, land and load the patient Minimum 5 Minutes (more likely 10 to 15) . Fly back 22 Minutes Land 3 Minutes (we assume a dedicated heliport and the pilot is familiar with it) So taking all the minimums we come up with 3 + 5 + 22 + 5 + 22 + 3 = 60 Minutes HUH the Ground Ambulance was just as fast as an helicopter !!!!! I will agree all the conditions were ideal, Dry roads, non traffic times, and the 2 hospitals are both within 1 Km each of a major high speed highway, but the sad truth is that the numbers are what they are. Don’t believe me? Go to MapQuest and Google and double check the numbers. Go look up the helicopter of your choice and check it’s max speed and normal cruising speed. I used Max speed here, which is usually not used as it is not good for the engine. I will just end with a note, I am not against the idea of helicopter ambulances, we should have them, however using this poor woman and her family just because she is famous as an excuse to say if we had air ambulances she would be alive is just completely wrong. Trying to lay a guilt trip on the medical staff or the ambulance crews is just as wrong in my opinion.

Kay

PS Yes I was an EMT-P who was certified as a paramedic in the US and worked in the Montreal EMS system for many years, so, been there done that, and Have flown as an observer on Medvac flights down south as you may have guessed form the above.

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Postby SavannahStar » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:51 am

Very sad. :cry:
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Postby olympic » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:43 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:
Olly, I don't know whether Liam should pursue it further, but I also read that the first ambulance crew that arrived at the resort and was sent away by the resort did not observe Natasha laughing and walking off her fall but rather observed her sitting on a stretcher. A malpractice claim even if successful is not going to bring her back to life so I think that your idea of a medical helicopter is probably a darn good one.

-- but weren't there any helicopters around that could have taken her from the first hospital to Montreal? Does it need to be a medical helicopter? Can't they just put a stretcher into a regular helicopter?


yankee that is why i said that the celebrities are obsessed in remaining private, but sometimes it cost them lives....princess di and her party, adamant to avoid the paparazzis that fateful day...natasha in this case i'm sure claimed to be just fine so as to avoid the paprazzi descending on her fall...and look what happened.

still for a major skii resort, and many other resorts in the vicinity, and they have no medical helicopter.....the timelines are a bit different to what the ambulance says, and what the resort claims...liam should definitely pursue this further, if not hing but as a wake up call....i know they have a charity already in honor of her father, but the helicopter one would be in her honor... :(
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