| Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen - Goto page 1, 2, 3 Next |
| View previous topic
:: View next topic |
arubagirl
 Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:32 pm |
|
|
|
Translation of Benvinda de Souza's letter to Karen Jansen
Letter from Benvinda de Souza to Karen Jansen, regarding the families actions when they first came to Aruba"
PAGE 1
Aruba, June 23 2005
Deliver
Strictly Confidential
Subject: Elizabeth Twitty – Holloway c.a. [I do not know what this acronym means] – wronged party [I’m just translating, I don’t know if this is the correct legal term in English]
Your Honor,
In the abovementioned matter, I inform you, partyly referring to your telephone conversation of today, the following.
As discussed before, it is the concern of the family of the now missing girl Miss Nathalee (sic) Holloway, to remain informed as good as possible under the circumstances about the criminal procedure which is taking place in relation to the disappearance. We have been hired as attorneys, to represent and support the family as the wronged party, but also to facilitate the information stream from the Justice Department and also to bring over the answers to the questions as good as possible and in the correct context.
The family is convinced that the investigation apparatus under the leadership of the Justice Department is hard at work to bring the case to a solution. However, at this moment the family has questions about the events that took place inmediately after the disappearance of Nathalee Holloway and if some people were interrogated, either as a witness or informant. The following is relevant to this.
Mr and Mrs. Twitty – Holloway received Monday, May 30th last, around 12 pm local time a the first message that their daughter was missing. After placing a few calls, it seemed that this message was really serious, because Nathalee was indeed nowhere to be found.
|
|
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 606
Location: Aruba
|
|
|
 |
 |
 |
|
| arubagirl
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:33 pm |
|
|
|
Page 2
They inmediate arranged everything to come to Aruba as fast as possible and arrived in Aruba around 11pm Aruban time. At the airport the parents were met with mr. Alberto Groeneveld and Claudio Eldridge of Universal Aviation Aruba N.V. a ? company for private jets.
The parents departed inmediately to the Holiday Inn Hotel. They were awaited there by mr. Paul Lilly, one of the chaperones of the travelgroup of Nathalee and by mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family.
Because the parents had the feeling that something serious must have happened to Nathalee, they began the search themselves. From the two cousins of Nathalee who were with her in Aruba, a discription was received of Joran van der Sloot, since it was heard from others of Nathalee’s group that he was seen leaving with her from Carlos & Charlie’s, the previous night. Next the parents travelled to Carlos & Charlie’s, to get a view of the situation in the hopes of getting any useful information. This must have been around 1:30 am on May 31st. From Carlos & Charlie’s the group went to Valero Boulevard. There mr. Charles Croes presented himself, who introduced himself as a clairvoyant. They returned to the Holiday Inn. From the night manager cooperation was received to view the casino tapes, because Joran would have gambled there before. Indeed he was recognized on one of the tapes.
Information was also searched for along the beach. In the meantime mr. Alberto Groeneveld had received information that the silver car where Nathalee was last seen departing from Carlos & Charlie’s, had been spotted at a house in Montanja. After that the group went to the Noord police station, where two agents rode together with the group to the house in Montanja. This resulted to be the house of mr. Paul van der Sloot and his family. The silver car apparantly was not there anymore. After the police had looked around and attracted attention, indeed mr. Paul van der Sloot came outside. He was told the reason for this midnight visit, whereupon he let it be known that his son, Joran was not at home at the moment. He called his son, who according to him was in the Wyndham Casino. According to that information they departed with the two police officers and mr Paul van der Sloot to the Wyndham. When arrived there, Joran was not to be found. It had been witnessed that mr. Van Der Sloot had a conversation on his cellular phone, that was could not be understood. When Joran was not to be found his father called him again and he seemed to be at home. According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards the group went again to the house of mr. Van Der Sloot. When arrived there the silver car appeared to be there. The door at the driver’s side was open.
Joran approached the group, with Deepak Kalpoe at his side, and began talking to the police officer. Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino. Afterwards Joran wanted to approach mrs. Holloway, but interestingly enough . . .
|
|
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 606
Location: Aruba
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Hannah
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:38 pm |
|
|
|
Thank you Arubagirl!
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 594
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| DiamondDot
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:39 pm |
|
|
|
Thanks AG.
| Quote: | | mr. Eric Williams, and American ex-DEA agent and a friend of the family. |
Interesting. What the hell business would an ex-DEA have in Aruba?
I don't believe for a second he would want to take a vacation in a place they're trying to say is so dangerous. How did the family know thier friend was vacationing there?
Nor would he runthe risk of being recognized and put his family in mortal danger.
|
|
Double D
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 8712
Location: Surfin' the Rhythms of the Universe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| GeorgiaMom
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:41 pm |
|
|
|
Thank you AG
|
|
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 4163
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Hannah
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:41 pm |
|
|
|
Maybe he retired to Aruba.
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 594
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| katya
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:43 pm |
|
|
|
| Quote: | | Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino |
Curious, here.
|
|
Alma Hermosa
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| katya
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:44 pm |
|
|
|
What clothes?
|
|
Alma Hermosa
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Scattered
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:51 pm |
|
|
|
According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards
Very interesting.
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 197
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| jmo
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:57 pm |
|
|
|
| katya wrote: | | Quote: | | Seeing the clothes that he had on at that moment, it did not appear that he had just before been in a casino |
Curious, here. |
Me too - I also didn't know Charles Croes claims to be clairvoyant!
|
|
~Naughty By Nature~
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 3946
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| arubagirl
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:57 pm |
|
|
|
Pages 3 and 4
… mr. Van Der Sloot informed him several times that he did not have to or should say anything, even that he should shut his mouth. Deepak also said that Joran shouldn’t say anything. According to Joran, he wanted to talk because he wanted to help find Nathalee. This last took place in front of the police officers, together with mr. Charles Croes, Alberto Groeneveld and his colleague Claudio Eldridge. Then, in any case, Joran began to tell that he that he indeed left Carlos & Charlie’s together with the brothers Kalpoe and Nathalee the night before. They had supposedly gone to the lighthouse on the western side of Aruba, and dropped Nathalee around 2:00 am at the Holiday Inn. Also understood by Claudio is that mr. Van Der Sloot said that he picked up Joran around 4:00 am close to McDonald’s. Afterwards Joran told what kind of sexual acts he did with Nathalee. The family noticed that Joran behaved in an arrogant and challenging way.
The previously named actions took place between 11pm on May 30th 2005 and 4 am the following morning.
. . .
What comes next is the questions that the family wanted answers to: (loosely translated)
1) Has Mr. Groeneveld been interrogated about the times
2) Has Mr. Eldridge been interrogated
3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated
4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?
5) Has it been confirmed that Joran has been in the casino? This because a personnel of the casino had mentioned that he had seen Nathalee
6) Has Charles Croes been interrogated?
7) Is it true that Mr. Kalpoe owns a ‘koei’ [?! Maybe they mean a ‘kooi’, which is a cage?!]
 Has it been established that Joran told his father in the presence of the grou that he was first in the Wyndham and then in the Raddisson and afterwards he went home?
9) Has there been any forensic evidence and if so, where?
10) What does the Justice Department base their reasonable suspicion on, other than statements of the suspects?
11) Are there other people that are considered suspects or is the Justice Department only focusing on these suspects?
12) It seems that Joran’s Headmaster said to Jug Twitty that Joran said that Nathalee had drowned . Have these people been interrogated/
The last request is to inform the family when searches are going on, so that they can prepare themselves in case something is found.
|
|
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 606
Location: Aruba
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| jmo
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:59 pm |
|
|
|
Thank you so much arubagirl! Very, very appreciated!
|
|
~Naughty By Nature~
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 3946
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| katya
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:03 pm |
|
|
|
Wow
|
|
Alma Hermosa
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Scattered
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:04 pm |
|
|
|
| arubagirl wrote: | Pages 3 and 4>snipped<
3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated
|
Am I reading this properly that the Twitty/Holloway family wanted to know why Jug Twitty hadn't been interrogated? Now I have to wonder if this something Dave wanted to happen?
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 197
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| arubagirl
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:08 pm |
|
|
|
| Scattered wrote: | | arubagirl wrote: | Pages 3 and 4>snipped<
3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated
|
Am I reading this properly that the Twitty/Holloway family wanted to know why Jug Twitty hadn't been interrogated? Now I have to wonder if this something Dave wanted to happen? |
Well, they use the term 'gehoord', and I tranlated as such. Literally it would mean ' Has Jug Twitty been listened to', but that seems an ackward wording.
The pitfalls of translation.
|
|
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 606
Location: Aruba
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Oopersann
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:14 pm |
|
|
|
Why wasn't Jug asked to "give" his version of the events happening at the Van derSloot's. Remember, they all wanted to give their side? They thought that the ALE was ignoring them(Beth & Jug). They expected the police to be in awe of what they(Twits) were handing them(ALE) on a silver platter.
Last edited by Oopersann on Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:20 pm; edited 1 time in total
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 133
Location: upstate New York
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| KLeigh
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:16 pm |
|
|
|
Thank you AG, much appreciated.
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 669
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Scattered
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:20 pm |
|
|
|
| arubagirl wrote: | | Scattered wrote: | | arubagirl wrote: | Pages 3 and 4>snipped<
3) Why hasn’t Jug Twitty been interrogated
|
Am I reading this properly that the Twitty/Holloway family wanted to know why Jug Twitty hadn't been interrogated? Now I have to wonder if this something Dave wanted to happen? |
Well, they use the term 'gehoord', and I tranlated as such. Literally it would mean ' Has Jug Twitty been listened to', but that seems an ackward wording.
The pitfalls of translation. |
Hmm- and these were questions from both sides of the family- I really can't see it coming from Beth and we all know how Jug felt about being questioned- I'm thinking: what did Dave want cleared up?
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 197
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Oopersann
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:27 pm |
|
|
|
Scattered-- this letter is from June 23-- Beth wasn't even saying Dave's name at this time, much less, bringing him in on meetings with her lawyer!
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 133
Location: upstate New York
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Scattered
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:32 pm |
|
|
|
| Oopersann wrote: | | Scattered-- this letter is from June 23-- Beth wasn't even saying Dave's name at this time, much less, bringing him in on meetings with her lawyer! |
But was de Souza strictly her lawyer? She's always been presented as representing 'the family' (and I'm sure she was hand-picked by Beth and the Jug-o-nator)- when did they apply for victim status to try and get the 50000 florins? Wouldn't Dave have had to be included on that as Natalee's father?
ETA: I'm having a hard time finding that bit again but I'll look again tomorrow- I hadn't subscribed to the Jug as a molestor theory but I may have to reassess that.
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 197
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Honey
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:46 pm |
|
|
|
| arubagirl wrote: | Pages 3 and 4
4) Did the police notice that the clothes were unsuitable for somebody who had just been in the casino?
|
He was probably wearing shorts and sandals, like he was when he was at the casino the night Natalee disappeared.
|
|
**Deactivated**
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 968
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| statinmyopinion2
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:48 pm |
|
|
|
A dea agent, was the FRIEND of the family, and just happened to be on that island?
Or was HE sent to keep an EYE on Natalee??
Maybe Natalee knew she was being watched, and it was a game for her to get away....and away she did.
|
|
HMI, we are still watching you!
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Posts: 2308
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Oopersann
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:48 pm |
|
|
|
| Scattered wrote: | | Oopersann wrote: | | Scattered-- this letter is from June 23-- Beth wasn't even saying Dave's name at this time, much less, bringing him in on meetings with her lawyer! |
But was de Souza strictly her lawyer? She's always been presented as representing 'the family' (and I'm sure she was hand-picked by Beth and the Jug-o-nator)- when did they apply for victim status to try and get the 50000 florins? Wouldn't Dave have had to be included on that as Natalee's father?
ETA: I'm having a hard time finding that bit again but I'll look again tomorrow- I hadn't subscribed to the Jug as a molestor theory but I may have to reassess that. |
I also have to find the victim date. Dave was brought on board at some point, I just can't remember exactly when! Remember-- Dave stayed with Benvinda when the Twits dumped her for HelenL. They use people like toilet paper.
|
|
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 133
Location: upstate New York
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| DiamondDot
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:25 pm |
|
|
|
| statinmyopinion2 wrote: | A dea agent, was the FRIEND of the family, and just happened to be on that island?
Or was HE sent to keep an EYE on Natalee??
Maybe Natalee knew she was being watched, and it was a game for her to get away....and away she did. |
That's the part I questioned, too.
An ex-DEA might be working as a Private Investigator.
When the name Eric Williams was broadcast by Beth Twitty very early in the case, there were links to his cases as an undercover Agent in Florida.
Jossy was detained in Florida for some reason. I wonder if it could have been legal stuff pertaining to this case. It was not a very old case, involving Eric Williams. Had to do with money and drugs, if I recall correctly.
Maybe someone here has the reference?
|
|
Double D
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 8712
Location: Surfin' the Rhythms of the Universe
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| PufPuf93
Posted:
Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:55 pm |
|
|
|
| Scattered wrote: | According to him he went home because there was police at his house. The personnel of the casino informed, after he was shown a picture of Nathalee, Nathalee was seen just before in the casino. Afterwards
Very interesting. |
That caught my attention too and one can see how it may have made BHT think Natalee was at the VDSs.
But I bet the casino people were wrong about it being Natalee. 
|
|
Divine Salamander
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 1579
Location: Camp Creek
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
