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Eliza
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:21 pm |
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Is Obama Tax Cut Plan Nothing But Another Welfare Program?
Obama, the orator, has claimed he will give 95% of the folks a tax cut. Of course you can't give someone a tax cut if they don't pay taxes.
Over 40% of the folks, already don't pay taxes.
Obama has oratoricaly turned a welfare increase, into a tax cut!
Talk about parsing words.
This will reportedly be accomplished by increasing the earned income credits, by 900%.
Barry isn't in touch with reality. There is only so much pie to go around.
Redistributing the "wealth" is nothing but a welfare program, IMO.
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| Eliza
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:26 pm |
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Wall Street Journal
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Obama's Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan
Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.
Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.
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| billybob
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:51 pm |
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well of course it is - since when is a LIBERAL Dem who is the most LIBERAL ever to be in the Senate going to enact anything but a Welfare State!!!
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| Eliza
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:00 pm |
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I had heard earlier, that another part of Obama's plan, calls for the government, to set up "minorities" in small businesses.
What happens to the other small businesses that aren't getting government welfare?
Do they just go out of business?
Many folks where I live are already going under without having to compete against government subsidized small business. (socialistic)
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| billybob
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:04 pm |
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| Eliza wrote: | I had heard earlier, that another part of Obama's plan, calls for the government, to set up "minorities" in small businesses.
What happens to the other small businesses that aren't getting government welfare?
Do they just go out of business?
Many folks where I live are already going under without having to compete against government subsidized small business. (socialistic) |
I believe that Obama will indeed take advantage of this situation and enact programs that no one has ever even imagined - this will truly be the beginning of the end - with very little ability to turn it around in 4 years.
and then just think - who will be managing all these programs - Fannie and Freddie and Dodd and Frank -- those that caused the problem to begin with.
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| Eliza
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:11 pm |
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| billybob wrote: |
I believe that Obama will indeed take advantage of this situation and enact programs that no one has ever even imagined - this will truly be the beginning of the end - with very little ability to turn it around in 4 years.
and then just think - who will be managing all these programs - Fannie and Freddie and Dodd and Frank -- those that caused the problem to begin with. |
The small business minority program was publicised. Main stream America is doomed. Redistributing the wealth as Barry calls it.
It was also public knowledge, that Omama plans on giving another round of "reparations" to "Katrina victims."
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| GeorgiaMom
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:22 pm |
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| Eliza wrote: |
The small business minority program was publicised. Main stream America is doomed. Redistributing the wealth as Barry calls it.
It was also public knowledge, that Omama plans on giving another round of "reparations" to "Katrina victims." |
Good Grief! How long ago was that hurricane Katrina? certainly long enough for folks to be back on their feet.
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:01 pm |
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There's still about 30-40 thousand people still living in FEMA trailers which were only supposed to be temporary. The lower 9th ward still isn't rebuilt.
Hospitals never reopened. Thousands still displaced.
McCain toured the 9th ward and said this about money still needed:
McCain did not commit to a specific amount of money he would spend as president to help rebuild New Orleans or southern Louisiana, which Jindal estimated would cost "tens of billions of dollars." But he said "I would do whatever I could to see that happens," adding later, "To protect the lives of American citizens, we can always find the money."
During a ride on his Straight Talk Express this morning, McCain spoke at length about the need to restore the area's wetlands and barrier islands in order to mitigate the impact of another hurricane.
"If we set priorities, obviously that would be one of our top priorities," McCain said, adding the federal government has spent massive amounts of money on pork barrel projects that have harmed the landscape in Louisiana and elsewhere, and lawmakers should conduct a cost-benefit analysis to set priorities in public works initiatives. "I don't know of an American who would say, 'I don't want to spend my tax dollars to protect New Orleans and Louisiana.'"
ETA: Forgot to add this about McCain and rebuilding the lower 9th ward.
He also told reporters he was not sure if he would rebuild the lower 9th ward as president.
"That is why we need to go back is to have a conversation about what to do -rebuild it, tear it down, you know, whatever it is,” he said.
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| Isanah
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:07 pm |
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| prolific wrote: | There's still about 30-40 thousand people still living in FEMA trailers which were only supposed to be temporary. The lower 9th ward still isn't rebuilt.
Hospitals never reopened. Thousands still displaced.
McCain toured the 9th ward and said this about money still needed:
McCain did not commit to a specific amount of money he would spend as president to help rebuild New Orleans or southern Louisiana, which Jindal estimated would cost "tens of billions of dollars." But he said "I would do whatever I could to see that happens," adding later, "To protect the lives of American citizens, we can always find the money."
During a ride on his Straight Talk Express this morning, McCain spoke at length about the need to restore the area's wetlands and barrier islands in order to mitigate the impact of another hurricane.
"If we set priorities, obviously that would be one of our top priorities," McCain said, adding the federal government has spent massive amounts of money on pork barrel projects that have harmed the landscape in Louisiana and elsewhere, and lawmakers should conduct a cost-benefit analysis to set priorities in public works initiatives. "I don't know of an American who would say, 'I don't want to spend my tax dollars to protect New Orleans and Louisiana.'" |
Only the Americans that realize what a major port N.O. has. The Country must maintain that port on the Mississippi river, it is a no brainer.
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:22 pm |
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Actually, I may be wrong about that total as it stands today..but I'm too tired to look it up. Sorry if the numbers are off.
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| Eliza
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:50 pm |
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| GeorgiaMom wrote: | | Good Grief! How long ago was that hurricane Katrina? certainly long enough for folks to be back on their feet. |
This was part of Barry's agenda in the early days. It evolves often and changes to suit his "needs."
Another part of his "initial agenda" was to reward fathers who make their child support payments regularly. Sad commentary in itself.
What's next? Paying "students" to go to school?
Another Obama scheme I recall was requiring all youth to perform a certain number of hours of "community service", 200 or 2000 I believe, whatever community service is I have no idea? Some think Obama's schemes reek of LBJ War on Poverty and "community service" will be something like job corps planting flowers along interstates and painting trash cans like back in the '60s.
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:40 am |
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-- and what are Bush's tax cuts -- welfare for the rich? Social benefits of any kind are for the welfare of the citizens of the country. Welfare is not a Democratic term, or wait, perhaps it is as the Repubs are myopic and only interested in benefits for them which heaven forbid are never called welfare benefits.
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| GEL
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Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:50 am |
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Eliza wrote:
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I heard earlier, another part of Obama's plan, calls for the government, to set up "minorities" in small businesses.
What happens to the other small businesses that aren't getting government welfare?
Notice how the blood sucking leeches are always P!$$!ng and moaning about how the government does not do enough for them.....These idiots have not figured out that "we" are the government....No matter how much you do for these blood suckers its never enough.....Everything is someone elses fault and its never their fault for anything.......If these losers were making an effort to change you might could make an argument for helping them but when you get right down to it they are just like the bums you see with the signs that say will work for food...the second you try give them a job they head for the hills......
eta--know that's probably not what you meant by your post but this is how I feel, not just about the "minorities" but also a few others that expect the government ( we, the ones that work/ed hard to have what we have) to give them a free ride at our expense.
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| GeorgiaMom
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Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:54 am |
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| Eliza wrote: |
This was part of Barry's agenda in the early days. It evolves often and changes to suit his "needs."
Another part of his "initial agenda" was to reward fathers who make their child support payments regularly. Sad commentary in itself.
What's next? Paying "students" to go to school?
Another Obama scheme I recall was requiring all youth to perform a certain number of hours of "community service", 200 or 2000 I believe, whatever community service is I have no idea? Some think Obama's schemes reek of LBJ War on Poverty and "community service" will be something like job corps planting flowers along interstates and painting trash cans like back in the '60s. |
Actually, I like that part. I think it's sad that a man has to pay $500.00 to $1000.00 a month in child support for one child, but gets no tax break from it. The wife if she has primary custody can claim the child as a dependent every year where the man pays out, but gets no break in return.
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Oct 14, 2008 9:38 am |
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| GeorgiaMom wrote: | | Actually, I like that part. I think it's sad that a man has to pay $500.00 to $1000.00 a month in child support for one child, but gets no tax break from it. The wife if she has primary custody can claim the child as a dependent every year where the man pays out, but gets no break in return. |
Yes, I agree that is unfair WHEN the father is truly contributing beyond any doubt total support for the child, but GM, there are many fathers out there contributing negligible sums of money and want the deduction anyway. Depending on where someone lives, $500 even $1000 a month will not equal 51% of the support for the child. To my understanding, at least it was that way when it was an issue for me, the custodial parent must document that he/she contributes more that 50% toward the support of a child. Unless you are receiving huge child support payments, that is not difficult to do.
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