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liesbeth
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Did Valentijn really use the computer that night?
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| Bongo
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:50 am |
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Re: Did Valentijn really use the computer that night?
| liesbeth wrote: | That Joran’s parents are not telling the truth is a fact. Proof is on the Internet.
The police investigation does not give signs implying that Joran’s brothers were on Aruba the night Natalee disappeared.
Very many people were heard: neighbors, friends, parents, brothers and sisters. but not Joran's brothers.
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/civil_court_docs/arubancounselfile.htm
The only logical explanation for this is that they were in Holland together with their mother, the night Natalee disappeared. 
Where is proof of the opposite?  |
Where can I find this proof -of Joran's parents not telling the truth- on the internet?
No, wait, maybe you better firstly explain what you personally consider as 'proof'? For your convenience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof or http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bewijs
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| liesbeth
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:29 am |
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Re: Did Valentijn really use the computer that night?
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| Emily
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:33 am |
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By the way liesbeth you were talking about Carlo not being Joran's lawyer anymore (not sure what thread it was) but I found this. I'm not sure if this was already posted but in case it wasn't:
ARUBA – The Public Prosecution (OM) was in court yesterday for four different cases that had to do with the investigation on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The father and the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Paul van der Sloot and Anthony Carlo, demanded the Court to let them see the boy. Furthermore, two lawyers presented the examining judge with a professional code, demanding a copy of all the documents that the OM has. The suspects in question were present in the courtroom when the professional code was attended to. The examining Judge gave verdict this morning, but the result was not out yet at the time this paper went to press.
Paul van der Sloot has lodged a complaint against the OM because he was not allowed to see his son. Also the boy’s lawyer is supposedly not allowed to see his client. Both notices of objection were down for hearing yesterday. The OM confirms that they were summoned to be heard in connection with a submitted notice of objection about Van der Sloot and Carlo not being allowed to see the boy. Carlo emphasized that he is still Van der Sloot’s lawyer, which is contrary to the reports in different media. “I am his lawyer and have been so all along. Nobody can stop me of being his lawyer, only Joran himself or his parents, but that’s not the case”, said Carlo. Paul van der Sloot is self a substitute member of the Common Court of Justice of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba.
Yesterday, Rudi Oomen and another lawyer lodged an appeal against the decision of the OM about not giving them all the documents. They are of the opinion that this way the defense of their clients is being harmed.
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| Bongo
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:19 am |
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[part of] PROCES VERBAAL
On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.
''To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.''
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''To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.''
P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT
After the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he stated to us that he would persist in it and signed it.
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@liesbeth, I'll guess this is not what you consider as 'proof'?
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| henk
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:37 am |
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| Bongo wrote: | [part of] PROCES VERBAAL
On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT, born in the Netherlands on February 15th 1952, judge (common court) and living at XXXXXXXX number XX on Aruba.
''To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home. 05.45 hours is the normal time for the alarm to go off and I wake up. The children I wake up at approximately 06.00 hours. I awakened Valentijn, Sebastian and Joran.''
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''To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.''
P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT
After the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT had read his statement, he stated to us that he would persist in it and signed it.
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@liesbeth, I'll guess this is not what you consider as 'proof'? |
Let me guess.. NO 
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| billybob
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:41 am |
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What happened to Liesbeth promise that she was done posting ... did she LIE?
She is another one that is totally Full of it!
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| liesbeth
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:02 am |
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| liesbeth
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:28 am |
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| billybob
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:54 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
Don't worry billybob, this is one of my last posts, so the Beth, Peter en Patrick bashing by the Dutch who are involved and post under different names, can go on, with no disturbance.
different view on this case than you want this board like to think. Since Jorans confession it won't work anyway.
Good look with the bashing and the misinformation.
I am not involved in this case and I know you will not agree with what I am going to say but most Dutch have a completely
I have other things to do.   |
to refresh your memory!
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| prolific
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:16 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
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Carlo: look, it has been a while ago since I looked into this matter, so I have the facts not at hand, so,…
Peter: well, an SMS call was made, by your client, saying “thanks for waiting”, well you do not have to do this when you just have been dropped home by the same person.
Carlo: at this moment I cannot give a reaction. I have to go back into the case. I am busy with other business for a while already, so I can not answer you about this details without having advised the file.
(1.02.12 min) Voice-over: Mr. Carlo knows remarkable little facts and details from the file, as it seems. And that is special, because the case is only 1,5 years old and his client is still a suspect. Moreover this laywer normally does not do criminal cases and the Natalee Holloway case is for a lawyer a case to never forget. Peter brings the subject to the secret tip.
Mr. Carlo is telling here himself 1,5 year after Natalee disappeared that he was busy with other business for a while already, and he uses terms as "a while ago", so....... |
Can you post what in particular was asked before Carlos' response? Was he simply referring to one particular matter and since it was from the beginning of the case he's saying hadn't looked into it for a while?
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| Bubbles
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 9:35 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
I changed my mind. 
I don't remember me saying "I promise or something like that". |
You lied and the proof is on the internet. Very disturbing.
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| wehwalt
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:08 am |
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OM could easily verify where Valentijn and Sebastian were, whether in Aruba or Holland. Flight records, for one. I'm not sure if Dutch citizens need a passport to enter Aruba, but that would be another.
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| liesbeth
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:16 am |
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| liesbeth
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:22 am |
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| billybob
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:22 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
They probably did. It is not for nothing that they did not hear Valentijn in the first month. |
Your insinuation here once again is really nasty - Val was home with Paul and Joran and Sebastian - and there has never been on reason to doubt this - as it was one of the first things that was clearly known to ALE. where you come up with any of these lies - whoever you are investigating for better not be paying you by the fact - because you are going backwards rapidly.
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| liesbeth
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| billybob
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:41 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
Then why did the police not hear Valentijn about whether he was awake or not, whether he was using the computer that night (according to the police it was Joran, how do they know  ) or whether he heard anything that night?
The police tried to search the house but did not hear Valentijn? That would be silly, wouldn't it.
Everybody around is heard, neighbors, maids, friends, brothers, sisters but not Valentijn. |
How in the world do you know what the police know? They do not and have not ever shared any relevent information in this case - or did you forget that little detail?
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| liesbeth
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:54 am |
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:40 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
They probably did check. It is not for nothing that they did not hear Valentijn in the first month.
Yes, Dutch citizens need a passport to enter Aruba. |
arubans have dutch passports too. and valentijn hay have been born there.
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| billybob
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:44 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
If you read the statements carefully, look at which questions are asked and how and when the questions are asked, and then consider the timeline when people are arrested and released, you get a pretty good sight on what they considered, and knew.
Part from that, I have seen the Peter R. de Vries show and he has spoken to investigators. The things he mentions in his show are in agreement with what the proper newspapers are writing.
On the list with actions taken by the police one can see that Valentijn was not questioned. |
Well no wonder you are so confused and out of touch!
Plus there are thousands of things in the case file none of us have seen - many statements - not the PV's that were leaked - but real statements - so unless you have access to all that - you got nothing!
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| fierljepper
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 1:35 pm |
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There is maybe a way to find out whether or not it was Valentijn on the computer that night.
First off all, if it was Joran who visited the x-plane forum, it would be in his interest to say so, since that would bring him home even earlier and would shrink the likely disposal window.
According to the computer records Val was up visting hotmail about 30 minutes earlier before he hit the x-plane forum so maybe before going to bed he quickly checked to see if someone had responded to a message he had left on the forum (it can be quite nice and exciting when someone responds to your posts on a forum... ).
I've quickly tried to access the x-plane forum to see whether the 2005 messages were still in (maybe his username is "valentijn" or we can find the posts with these time stamps from the night of the 29th)? Unfortunately you need to register first before a search is allowed and I haven't bothered to go that far.
Someone wants to give it a try?
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| luvslalom
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:16 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
If you read the statements carefully, look at which questions are asked and how and when the questions are asked, and then consider the timeline when people are arrested and released, you get a pretty good sight on what they considered, and knew.
Part from that, I have seen the Peter R. de Vries show and he has spoken to investigators. The things he mentions in his show are in agreement with what the proper newspapers are writing.
On the list with actions taken by the police one can see that Valentijn was not questioned. |
If Val had been questioned in 2005, it would have been on the log file, and it wasn't. He was too young, a minor at the time. Kalpoes little sister was interrogated and she was under 15, go figure. Val was questioned last year.
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| henk
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:09 pm |
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| iquitos wrote: |
arubans have dutch passports too. and valentijn hay have been born there. |
Valentijn is also born in Holland..
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 07, 2008 4:12 pm |
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| henk wrote: |
Valentijn is also born in Holland.. |
sorry, is the youngest one born there too?
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