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lovejust
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Thu May 18, 2006 10:34 am |
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OT cats
I know it is very off topic, but VC asked me to post it here first and she will move it later.
The city of Clermont Iowa think they have a solution for the stray cat problem:
http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2006/05/08/news/regional/7e66c324ff498d60862571680051d9df.txt
http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/05/08/iowa_city_fines_people_who_feed_stray_cats/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1939223
In Jaipur, India, they have changed the policy from: not feeding or worse catching and killing stray dogs and cats to catching them in live traps and spay neutering them. In just a few years (since 1994 when they started) their annual rabies death rates amongst humans went from several hundreds per year to zero. The government of India has now adopted their methods and will bring this program in other cities.
All methods from trapping and killing, not feeding or even active hunting have had no results as the number of strays proves. Of course make it a finable offence to feed strays will only cause them to go through carbage and hunt for birds (that was one of the arguments to "get rid" of stray cats: they kill to many birds.).
Again can the US learn from a 3rd world country?
I have already forwarded it to the rescue groups I belong too with the request to start an action to ask Clermont to life trap and spay and neuter the guys other than punishing ppl for their care.
Please let them know what you think:
city email: clermont@acegroup.cc
city website:
http://www.clermontia.org/government.htm
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| skepticynic
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Thu May 18, 2006 10:40 am |
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Re: OT cats
| lovejust wrote: | I know it is very off topic, but VC asked me to post it here first and she will move it later.
The city of Clermont Iowa think they have a solution for the stray cat problem:
http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2006/05/08/news/regional/7e66c324ff498d60862571680051d9df.txt
http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2006/05/08/iowa_city_fines_people_who_feed_stray_cats/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1939223
In Jaipur, India, they have changed the policy from: not feeding or worse catching and killing stray dogs and cats to catching them in live traps and spay neutering them. In just a few years (since 1994 when they started) their annual rabies death rates amongst humans went from several hundreds per year to zero. The government of India has now adopted their methods and will bring this program in other cities.
All methods from trapping and killing, not feeding or even active hunting have had no results as the number of strays proves. Of course make it a finable offence to feed strays will only cause them to go through carbage and hunt for birds (that was one of the arguments to "get rid" of stray cats: they kill to many birds.).
Again can the US learn from a 3rd world country?
I have already forwarded it to the rescue groups I belong too with the request to start an action to ask Clermont to life trap and spay and neuter the guys other than punishing ppl for their care.
Please let them know what you think:
city email: clermont@acegroup.cc
city website:
http://www.clermontia.org/government.htm |
Call in Alley Cat Allies. They back up the spay/neuter/release programs for stray and feral cats. With vaccinations, the rabies problem goes away, the cats don't reproduce, and the problems are solved.
As for "kill too many birds" they also kill mice, rats and moles. I was deployed to a place where there were ferals everywhere. The Brits (who owned this outpost) decided it was time to get rid of the cats beause they were eating birds; they killed almost all of them. Now the place is overrun with RATS! They put out poison, which pollutes, when they could have done the spay/neuter approach and had natural rat slayers.
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| victims cry
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Thu May 18, 2006 10:46 am |
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I think that a letter writing campaign is worth a try. Surely they can figure out that spay/neuters make more sense.
Thanks for posting it here LJ, i will move it to animals after people have a chance to see it since some dont venture out of this forum 
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| lovejust
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Thu May 18, 2006 10:49 am |
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Re: OT cats
| skepticynic wrote: |
Call in Alley Cat Allies. They back up the spay/neuter/release programs for stray and feral cats. With vaccinations, the rabies problem goes away, the cats don't reproduce, and the problems are solved.
As for "kill too many birds" they also kill mice, rats and moles. I was deployed to a place where there were ferals everywhere. The Brits (who owned this outpost) decided it was time to get rid of the cats beause they were eating birds; they killed almost all of them. Now the place is overrun with RATS! They put out poison, which pollutes, when they could have done the spay/neuter approach and had natural rat slayers. |
Thanks for that suggestion Skeptic. Yes it is crazy in this day and age ppl still believe in these ridiculous solutions, while history and their current situation proves it ain't working.
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| skepticynic
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Thu May 18, 2006 11:26 am |
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http://www.alleycat.org/
They also have an action line for situations like this one.
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| lovejust
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Thu May 18, 2006 12:05 pm |
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Thanks Skeptic.
I wrote them too.
(and of course a little bump for more attention  )
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| sandraK
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Thu May 18, 2006 2:34 pm |
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I am a cat lover and take in many lost little pals . I have them "Fixed" get them there shots and find good homes for them.
This sounds like a wonderful idea!!
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| joynow
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Thu May 18, 2006 2:56 pm |
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I have a little suggestion/challenge/pledge idea.  My husband and I decided to get at least 5 cats (or dogs) "fixed" per year...anyone can pledge anything they can afford...1 cat, 2 cats...10 cats (or dogs). So far in the last year we have met our goal, but a couple of them became ours. 
This last winter we were adopted by two wild kitties, and one has 5 kittens. They are all now in my office.  We just had the male neutered about 2 weeks ago, and the female will be spayed when she has finished nursing in about 3 or 4 weeks. I'm going to upload some kitten pictures later this evening.
Anyway, it's a great way to help out with the pet over population problem. Just by doing what you can.
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| skepticynic
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Thu May 18, 2006 5:25 pm |
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| sandraK wrote: | I am a cat lover and take in many lost little pals . I have them "Fixed" get them there shots and find good homes for them.
This sounds like a wonderful idea!!
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That is how I acquired my Gabby tabby. She was stuck outside in the cold and I could not bear the thought of such a sweet cat freezing because her owners decided it was too inconvenient to move with her.
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| lovejust
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Thu May 18, 2006 11:03 pm |
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There are so many other ways to handle this than fining ppl for feeding them. Even a program where the domistic cats (and dogs) are being spayed and neutered will already have some impact. Some ppl still still think that my "sammy" would not do something like that when he is out at night. A bit like Beth and Natalee.
Anyway Alley cats is on the case, but some more letters / emails won't hurt.
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Fri May 19, 2006 10:30 am |
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| joynow wrote: | I have a little suggestion/challenge/pledge idea. My husband and I decided to get at least 5 cats (or dogs) "fixed" per year...anyone can pledge anything they can afford...1 cat, 2 cats...10 cats (or dogs). So far in the last year we have met our goal, but a couple of them became ours.
This last winter we were adopted by two wild kitties, and one has 5 kittens. They are all now in my office. We just had the male neutered about 2 weeks ago, and the female will be spayed when she has finished nursing in about 3 or 4 weeks. I'm going to upload some kitten pictures later this evening.
Anyway, it's a great way to help out with the pet over population problem. Just by doing what you can. |
It sure is! I have 4 that have been neutered and spayed this year, and all are still with me, while one hasnt let me touch him yet and is the next in line.
Scarface has some health and age issues, so he will cost about 250 to neuter and we ae waiting on that. I just do not want him to die bc of neutering and there fore he is still a Tom. I cant use the regular vets since they dont use full operating protection..as if it was a heart operation- fluids, full time anaesthesioligist etc, and ready to go with anything necessary if he crashes. (he has some heart issues)
Apart from making the pet control situation much better, it can save their lives. Braveheart went in for a standard spay and she had pyometra, a deadly uterine infection in cats and dogs. Pure luck she was spayed when she was since thats also the cure if they get it early enough.
I have to admit...i have 9 cats because all strays and rescues that come to me end up staying. Its HARD to take them from the wild, get them neutered, look after them as they are frightened and miserable, and let them go! Most of the ferals don't trust people, even if they trust me or whoever takes them in to feed or look after.
Marco..omg.. my vicious marco when he arrived.. no choice but to neuter and keep him, he would have been put down. Makes vet visits very problematic though..he is a snugglebunny with me, but attacks other humans. So he gets anaesthetised for exams that are beyond the normal check. LOL.. he tried to attack the vet for wanting to look in his ears. I finally told him to knock it off and held the ear for the vet while the nurse gave him a pen to bite..he actually cracked it! Came home and snuggled in my arms in bed afterwards..
kitties are wonderful, and the strays need to be neutered. Even if you can't keep them (joynow and I seem to be unable to give them away lol), it ensures no more litters of babies with no homes, no food, and at least gets some good homes for the neutered ones who discover humans are pretty nice . Since shots go with neuter/spays it stops the spread of many of the diseases in the cat population too.
Just one word of warning... dont be surprised if the cat you get neutered comes back in a few days with a collar on them.. some owner discovering his unneutered cat has lost some equipment Happened to me twice in 3 years!!! Neutered strangers cats lmao.
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| amicus
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Fri May 19, 2006 11:21 am |
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This is being done on a local, volunteer level here. I've contributed money toward the program plus paid to have four dogs neutered/spayed last year just because they needed it. Two belonged to people who I knew just couldn't afford it and two were rescues.
This might be a good cause for a nonprofit, there's a lot that needs to be done when it comes to dogs/cats-- we've been talking to some other people about forming or joining with a reputable nonprofit for the puposes of obtainingland for a dog park which this area could use desperately.
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| Torti
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Fri May 19, 2006 9:44 pm |
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We have had a low-cost spay-neuter program going on here for some time and it seems to help a lot.
I agree that Alley Cat Allies and similar programs are a good thing and much more humane.
However, what can we do to educate those who refuse to learn, even when the problems of unwanted kittens are right in their laps? I have a co-worker who is a great lady who currently has three litters of kittens and little prospect of finding homes for them. Her repeated saying, "We just have to get those girls fixed" hasn't fixed them. They just go on reproducing, litter after litter, season after season. It's not a question of affordability, either. I just think it's ignorance. I feel sorry for the cats and kittens. My co-worker also neglects her pets' immunizations. Coming from a house of unvaccinated cats, I would hesitate to adopt a kitten from her home, as much as I would consider adodpting a "waif". I would not want to bring anything into my home where we have a much loved older cat, spayed and immunized and her shots are current.
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Fri May 19, 2006 10:33 pm |
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Oh my!!!!
I will have the most spoilt cats and strays in the neighborhood. And raccoons and skunks and chipmunks and and and.
Kay arrived and said she has a surprise for the "clan" in the trunk. A pail fitted with a float valve, and shes going to cut a hole in the deck so it fits flush, attach the hose to it, and apart from me emptying it once a day to get rid of debris, they will have fresh water continuously topping up the pail outside.
I had mentioned the pond across the road seemed a little brackish and i hoped the cats didnt drink there much. Let alone the raccoons and skunks. Even though there is water inside, when out it might stop the kitties from crossing the road too. AND the raccoons.
Its a special person who takes one comment about pond water and builds a special watering hole so the domestic, feral and wild animals all have fresh water while enjoying the outdoors.
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