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Collected Works of Heli - 10/05 - 3/06
All of Heli's transcripts will be restored once the archive of
the original board goes "live". Since that won't be happening
immediately I will be manually reposting the 86 Heli transcripts
I saved into this thread. Some of them will probably duplicate
Rohn's efforts and some will not. This may take a while so please
be patient!
- T
ETA - I just noticed that none of my re-posts include proper attribution. So:
The 85 posts that immediately follow this post are all written by Heli. They
are the work-product of Heli; they remain the property of Heli; Heli's
permission must be obtained before any of these posts may be copied to
other sites.
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Greta October 25 2005
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:20 pm Post subject: Greta October 25
Greta:
US government is very interested in the Natalee Holloway case
Sec of State, how did you come to meet with her
Beth:
She was going to be in Alabama anyway, so we arranged a meeting with her. I met with her for less than 30 minutes, I rode in the motorcade with her, went to Church with her.
Greta:
When you sat down with her, did she seem to know about Natalee's disappearance.
Beth:
I want everybody to know that when I spoke to Mr. Oduber he told me Condi had called him, that was long ago....the US knew right from the beginning things weren't right there.
I truly belive that sec Rice has knowledge of the investigation since the beginning and I feel that she was well aware of what i was telling her, I wasn't telling her anything she didn't know.
Greta:
When the meeting was over, did she say she wanted to help...
Beth:
She's the most powerful woman in the world, and I know she will help me.
I really don't want to disclose anything, I'd rather her answer that. I think we've all known from the beginning it was just a formality. They never let the FBI help. It would be nice to get in there and get some of the raw data, there were so many answers in the beginning that weren't gathered or were just lost.
I just gave her a lot of information, it was such a privilege to have face to face meeting with her so I took advantage of telling her absolutely everything since the beginning of the investigastion.
Beth:
I really think it will help, I absolutely think it will. I can't imagine the aruban government not wanting to have a resolution, when you have the US State Department looking to them.
Greta:
Did she say Aruba wants to keep the US happy.....
Beth:
We didn't discuss that specifically, I just wanted it to be clear about all the things that have gone wrong from the beginning, their reluctance to do anything for us in this case.
As I left, I will be able to keep in touch with her, I know things will happen.
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Dompig said that the tape of Deepak....he finds them pretty interesting and they've sent them to Holland
Beth:
I think that's a huge step, they wanted to make sure about Deepak's response of "she did"......from what I understood he wanted to make sure of whether it was "she did" or "she didn't.
Greta:
Are you expecting a re-arrest of Deepak?
Beth:
Oh absolutely. We had known that from what Joran said about having sex with her at his home. But I didn't know they had all gang raped her.
Greta:
They've had Deepak's statement for a long time, they neglected to take statements from that first night .....
How do you have the patience?
Beth:
I truly don't know, I keep thinking they have to have constant pressure to keep moving, so if I see they aren't moving, then that's it. we've put in so much effort, searching in the water, the family is doing this and we are just about done, Greta.
Greta:
If the Sec of State makes another phone call, I mean Aruba would want to keep good relations with the US right?
Beth:
Exactly, it's just the pressure that they need to keep moving. They have to keep moving, Natalee never had a competent investigation since the beginning.
The Prosecutor hasn't been in touch with me at all. I hope they have this tape verified in The Hague and move forward.
Greta:
Paul is going back to Court to have his name cleared.
Beth:
I was thinking about what Dompig said about Paul being a suspect in the disapperance but after the fact as well. Deepak gives Paul this role in the disappearance.....
It's just amazing the connections that this man has had ....
Greta:
WOuld you like to talk to him again.
Beth:
I'd love to and I'd like you to be there with me.
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Greta October 26 2005
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject: Greta October 26 2005
Arlen Ellis-Schipper translating the prosecutor's answers to the GVS producer's questions.
Greta:
How would you describe the investigation as of today's date
Arlene:
The investigative team is working very hard ....
She also explained that the original corps has been extended by three investigators. They're all looking for answers.
Greta:
Have you been given or requested the Deepak tapes
Arlene:
Explained that she has to insist a lot and request these tapes a lot. They were finally received at the end of last week. Now they are in Holland...
Greta:
Do you have new evidence significant enough to re-arrest.
Arlene:
She wants to let the forensic institute investigate the tapes, then they will assess what steps they will take....
Greta:
What's your response of criticism by the US of the dutch legal system
Arlene:
She doesn't want to go into that, but she wants to comment only on the case.
......difference between civil and common law, which created so much confusion
Greta:
Ted Williams wants to know if there is any way to enter into a deal with any of these suspects in exchange for freedom
Arlene:
We've been over this many times, plea bargaining is not allowed in our system. We have other very complicated thing, but it's only used in terrorism...it won't happen here.
A crown witness is possible theoretically, but not at all likely.
Bernie Grimm, Ted Williams
Ted:
I am so troubled by the fact that they cannot plea bargain....plea bargain is one of the most essential tools that a prosecutor has to solve cases.
Bernie:
Crown witness, like she says that would only be used in terrorism cases.....
It's a problem, a big problem that they don't have plea bargaining.
Greta:
I was surprised she answered the questions actucally.
Hammer:
It highlights that how sad it is that this Prosecutor would not call the victim's mother back ...it causes so much suffering.
Greta:
I wonder if she's speaking to the family's attorney
Hammer:
.....anybody who has been a prosecutor knows you build special relationships with the victim's parents ....
Greta:
We're most disappointed....that the police work in the very beginning failed
Ted:
I'm sitting here ....it's maybe too little, too late. I can tell you, the first 48 hours of an investigation is critical and they botched it.
Greta:
........at this point we can't collect any evidence
Hammer:
This is one of those cases where one is less involved, I'd give him almost anything to come forward and solve this case.
Ted:
Even if they found the body at this case, how are you going to show connection to these three.
Bernie Grimm:
...I think that the prosecution has shed some light on it, Arlene said it, if they disclose information in this case it can result in a dismissal ....
Ted:
Without any plea bargain there aren't going to be any Perry Mason moments in this case
Greta:
The aruban prosecutor says 3 new investigators have been added
I understand you want to talk to Natalee's friends
Dompig:
You can imagine we had 120 youngsters in one hotel, the FBI took a couple of statements from them. We need more detailed statements from them and after all this time I have more questions that what I had in the beginning.
I can't exactly say what I want to know, basically we want to go into more detail surrounding the five days they were here and what Natalee did, who she was with and what exactly happened when they arrived in Aruba as well as the day they left.
On a day to day basis is what we want to know.
Greta:
Has the family been forthcoming about the names of these friends.
Dompig:
We do have most of the names, but as you are aware in the beginning there was some kind of secrecy, silence from most of the kids, they didn't want to talk. When I look at the statements once more there's some inconsistencies, they don't all match.
Inconsistencies which in my opinion, shouldn't be there. They could forget some things, but the things that are wrong like no alcohol drinking....some things you just don't forget.
Greta:
Are you really going to send somebody to interview all those students if they're willing.
Dompig:
Absolutely, I want to firstly call on them to come forward, I've even given a number to ppl at your show if the students want to contact us. We are also looking at the possibility of coming to the States.
Greta:
I've put the number up on my screen now. If Natalee is dead.....do your experts have any reason to believe that they'll be able to find the remains ....
Dompig:
Yes we do, I believe that after 3 or 4 months, if somebody dumped the body they would have made sure the body didn't float. If there were weights of she was put into a cage...we do believe that if that is the case, then we should be able to find something.
Greta:
I hope Natalee's friends will oblige you and call.
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Greta October 27 2005
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:39 pm Post subject: Greta October 27 2005
Greta:
Beth, you're going back to Aruba
Beth:
Yes I am on November 1
Greta:
Do you have a particular plan
Beth:
I think we can see Step 1 today, the FBI was there....it still doesn't take away from the fact ...
The family expects other things to take place in order for a competent investigation to take place.
The FBI was not..
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I'm sorry, I just couldn't keep typing this cr**, that woman just makes my blood boil and every night her arrogance escalates.
I think since she rubbed elbows with Condaleeza Rice, she's even worse than ever....I just can't abide anything about her.
After the commercial she's back on again to talk about Dompig wanting to question the MB kids much more fully and comprehensively. Hey, what about the dang chaperones????
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Big Story November 12 2005
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: The Big Story -- November 12
The Big Story - November 12
Trace Gallagher and TJ Ward
Not complete nor verbatim
Bob Riley (on tape):
We're going to be as aggressive as we can possibly be....so long as we don't get a satisfactory answer or resolution in Aruba, we're going to boycott
Private Investigator, TJ Ward live from Atlanta
We're still developing our case with Aruba and have been since our return in August. My associate Harold Phipps has contacted several retired FBI agents, we are still in tune with our theory of what happened to Natalee, that something happened in the time she was with the 3 boys.
We think something happend, that she passed out, she had a heart attack...Joran made some phone calls, we do believe that the father is still involved.
Trace Gallagher:
You believe that Natalee passed out and died, Joran and the Kalpoe bros were not involved in her demise?
TJ Ward:
I think all three were involved, had sex with her...3 young men cannot pull off the perfect crime, another party helped..we hope to be able to prove in the next few weeks that this is true. we have other federal agents helping us. we are awaiting some results before we go public with it...after C&C they were seen out around the pond, by the fishermen's hut, that body was removed by somebody else. These 3 young boys did not do this by themselves in the time period....
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The Lineup November 12 and 13 2005
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:29 pm Post subject: The Lineup FNC November 12 and 13
November 12
Megan Kendall and Dave Holloway
The Lineup -- November 12
Megan Kendall:
I'd like to start first to ask you what your reaction is to this sort of official clearing of Paulus van der Sloot, who as you know, has had
a pretty significant role in this case
Dave Holloway:
Well, I was not at all surprised about the ruling, in fact the Judge has been real consistent in his rulings and judgments. Here we have 3 kids running around loose, and one of them admitted on tape that he had raped Natalee, or that all 3 had raped Natalee so it doesn't come as a surprise to me that he's let Paul loose. That comes another issue with the Prosecution, if they had arrested him falsely, what evidence did they have in the first place.
Megan:
Let me ask you about that, because there was some momentum building after that tape came out with the alleged confession that all 3 boys had had sex with Natalee on the night she disappeared. There seemed to be some momentum, some talk of possible criminal charges against these 3 as a result of this tape. THen we heard nothing more about it, do you feel that momentum is gone.
Dave Holloway:
I'm not real sure, that tape came out September 15 and here we are post 2 months later and still nothing has been done. That's what happened to us all along, it's just delay and things not going like they should have. If you stop and think, the FBI was notified early on, but they were not allowed to be involved in the investigation. My first arrival on the island, I was approached from the detective "how much money do you have?" and of course our family identified the 3 suspects, they were not arrested until 10 days later, 2 security guards were arrested prior to that and I wonder why all 5 weren't arrested. Then you have the 3 kids, 17, 18 and 21 and their circle of friends, you know the police don't get anything out of them. You kind of wonder, you know they take statements, there's nothing. We hear about evidence handling, all these bones that have been found, they rule them out or the other police officers have no idea what's going on and you hear blood was in the car and then that turns into chocolate and cleaning fluid.
Megan:
Dave, you just mentioned one of the investigators asked you how much money you had when this thing first got started. What was your reaction to that, did he explain to you at all, why he ostensibly was asking you that question?
Dave:
I was extremely floored by it, in fact I'd stopped at two other police stations before arriving there. None of them knew about Natalee's disappearance and then when we walked in I identified myself and I told them I was the father of Natalee Holloway, the missing girl and he got up and "how much money do you have?" I stepped back and during the conversation we were told, that she probably fell in love with somebody, she'll show up in a few days and that was about the extent of it. He asked us to have a meeting with him later on that evening and he'd indicated that he'd heard reports that people were going up into crack houses looking for Natalee.
Megan:
Dave, best of luck to you ...
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The Lineup November 12 and 13 2005 (PART 2)
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:32 pm Post subject: The Lineup November 13
Megan Kendall / Jossy Mansur / Arlene Ellis-Schipper / Beth Twitty
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Megan Kendall:
The roller coaster ride that is the Natalee case is ongoing. Joining me is Jossy Mansur and on the phone Arlene Ellis Schipper
Let's go back to this tape that Deepak gave confessing that they all had sex with Natalee. The aruban police are having a problem getting the tape. has it happend now, do they have the tape?
Jossy:
Yes they have it and it's been sent to Holland. They want to make sure it's legtitimate and not tampered with.
Megan
They can't do that In Aruba?
Jossy:
No they can't do that in Aruba. It went to Holland. I would have sent it to the U.S.
Megan:
They're trying to build a case based on that tape, ....are you hearing anything about that?
Jossy
Yes I do, ... Dompig said they have a very strong case against these boys for sexual harassment, not just because of the tape...they can go after the boys for sexual assault...these suspects can get up to 8 yrs for sexual assault.
Megan:
How hard would it be to charge these boys with sexual assault?
Arlene;
THis charge of sex assault forms part already of the accusaations for which these suspects are held... we have asked this question from the Prosecutor...what else do you need to bring a charge...they need evidence is has to be either forensic or an eyewitness, there is still just not enough to convict these boys or bring it to trial. This is the problem in this case, that's what we've tried to make ppl understand. There is a certain burden of proof that has to be met in order to convict, we have many suspicions, however legally you have to meet the burden or proof.
Megan:
You don't think they have it?
Arlene:
I don't think they have it, and the Court is with me because they've all been released.
Megan:
The boys certainly have fared well in the Aruban Courts.
It's got to be maddening to hear that dismissal of the possibility of sexual assault charges Beth
Beth:
It is very disheartening, I know that I want to say that Jossy has been with us since the beginning, and he so knows the direction this needs to go in, I admire him so much...they have had evidence that Joran has comitted sexual assault against Natalee , it's been so difficult for the family to know what evidence has been collected and lost or just not collected at all.
Megan:
Paul van der Sloot was permanently cleared of charges, and he is supposedly going to file a lawsuit against the aruban authorities, for charging him in the first place, it's hard to prove in the US....your reaction to that news
Beth:
You referred to sometihng earlier, Dompig said a month ago that Paul is a suspect and person of interest in the disappearance of Natalee and a suspect after the fact.. To dismiss him is very premature, but I'm not surprised the judge did this,.... he did release the rapists.
Megan:
ALE wants to re-interview the MB students; what's your feeling on that?
Beth:
As long as the interviews are handled by the FBI, I don't think they can gather any info from them, they need to concentrate on the 3 boys
As far as the boycott goes, the family is thinking about the safety issue, we don't want another family to go through this....until the safety of Aruba is evaluated , it's not safe for visitors or citizens there.
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Fox News Live November 13 2005
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:52 am
Fox News Live -- November 13
Megan Kendall / Harold Copus -- Retired FBI
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Megan:
What good is that going to do, re-interviewing these 3 boys?
Harold
What they'll have to do is start again, because they left so many questions unanswered. ... You do follow up questions and open ended questions, which were never done by them in this investigation.
Megan:
Dompig wants to come to the US, why re-interview the MB students, they've already given statements.
Harold:
Obviously it should have been done in the beginning, that's a prime example of what was not done in the beginning. Most of these kids are in school, they'll have to go find them, their memories won't be as good, it's a little too late in my opinion. Hopefully the FBI did some interviews and they'll agree to share those with ALE.
Megan:
I asked Dompig a few weeks ago, about the alleged confession by Deepak....whether a sex crime could be charged....he said there might be.... he was somewhat persuaded by the tape. Is it a good thing he wants to talk to her friends?
Copus:
I think there's been so much pressure brought to bear he has no excuse left not to do what I just talked about. It's horrible what they've done and how they've failed to resolve this case.
Megan:
It's just so disappointing they've gotten no results.
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Greta November 23 2005
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject: BVS On The Record -- November 23
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Jamie:
Hours ago Dutch officials announced their findings about the tape made by Jamie Skeeters. Welcome Arlene, what can you tell us about what the Dutch Forensic lab found out
Arlene:
They examined a CD ROM and a VHS copy given by Jamie and copy of the interview that aired on that tv show
The first two do not show evidence of tampering, but what is shocking, the last one broadcast on Dr PHil clearly shows evidence of tampering, they cut words out.
Jamie:
What is it they saw that convinced them the Dr Phil tape was tampered with?
Arlene;
From police officials, the tape shows skips, when they review it, I'm not a forensic scientist but apparently the tape shows that it's cut and it's skipped.
Jamie:
What's the difference between the different tapes?
Arlene:
The other tape is not tampered. They did request the hard drive of Mr. Skeeters laptop to investigate that as well, the request was made last week by ALE to the FBI to have full review of those tapes and also including check of hard drive of Skeeters.
Jamie:
So two were found to be authentic and one was not. Does Deepak get called back in then ....
Arlene;
Depends, I can't elaborate on what has been cut out. What has been broadcast in the media and presented as the truth is not the complete truth, because the tape is tampered. We don't know what's on the authentic tape, .....
Jamie:
What's Deepak's position about the tape? ...
Arlene:
The attorney from the first day it was broadcast, Deepak's attorney was very adamant that Deepak said the tape was tampered, and evidently he was right.
Jamie:
This will not stop us from questioning him further is what Deputy Chief Dompig has said ......Do you know if in fact they will be questioned.
Arlene;
The police must answer that question, Mr. Dompig says it's an ongoing investigation and contrary to what many say, it's very much ongoing....they are reviewing the complete case....
Jamie:
Thanks for helping us understand. We'll be talking to Jamie Skeeters but first I'm going to Meridan, Mississippi ....Dave Holloway
This tape was important to the investigation in your family's position. How do you feel about what the Dutch Forensic Institute has reported
Dave:
I spoke to Jamie this afternoon, the dvd tape is what Jamie gave to Dr Phil, then a VCR tape was condensed down to 1 or 2 mintues so they could televise it
Jamie:
Did they manipulate what was said, to make it looklike he was more culpable
Dave:
No , not at all, they took a 2 hour interview and selected questions and answers and condensed them down
Jamie:
What are authorities telling you, will they requestion the boys
Dave;
They let Joran go right after Katrina, I heard rumours on the island about the authenticity of that tape...they really don't want to use the tape ...the info was obtained by an american, our family have been the ones pushing this investigation all along, I just wonder what they've done.
...some of the questions I've been asked...how long will you be coming back....we'll continue until we get some answers. The searches are just abouq quit, TES and a group of ppl are going back next week
we're still getting a few tips, most are theories.
I forward quite a few to Skeeters and Dompig.
Jamie:
Has Dompig been in touch with you
Dave;
I spoke to him on MOnday about an e-mail...I picked up and called him we spoke for 2 or 3 minutes, that's about it, he indicated the investigation is continuing.
Jamie:
How about the boycott?
Dave:
I think it got their attention
Jamie:
What have you seen as far as the investigation that's different
Dave:
They did respond to part of our request, they told us rather than replace ppl they'll add 3 new investigators.
Jamie:
If you could talk to Deepak tonight, what would you tell him?
Dave:
I'd ask him to tell the truth, get this behind him but it's not going to happen
Jamie:
Do you think the 3 boys know what happened to Natalee?
Dave:
They have the answers.
Jamie:
You still don't have any answers about him, but you know Joran is off playing soccer in The Netherlands.
Dave:
THis has been going on for 6 months. I want asnwers and to find my daughter, the second thing is, is justice going to be served....
Jamie
Jamie Skeeters provided his hard drive to the FBI, do you think it will give them answers so they can re-question the boy>?
Dave:
I'm just thankful that Jamie gave it to the FBI first so they can determine the authenticity of it then give it to the Dutch
Jamie:
Has the FBI determined anything about it?
Dave:
Jamie just gave it to them about a week ago, so they haven't determined anything yet.
Jamie:
Does Skeeters stand by his tape and what did Deepak really tell him during the interview. Dutch investigators claim the last version was altered. Hi Jamie
What do you think of the results and what have you done when you've heard the accusation.
Jamie:
After doing about 40 back flips this morning, I called DOmpig and asked him what the heck is going on. He said somebody misunderstood him, what I sent him is authentic.
Jamie:
The clip is the only one america has heard, you even clarified it's a video tape not an audio, why now are they saying ....
Jamie:
I asked the CHief, were on the same page, he assured me my tape is authentic..I asked him where are the cooked tapes. When I downloaded Deepak's interview on my dvd, from my pc to the dvd I sent to the Phil Show, they downloaded my dvd to beta tape so he could take clips from it. He put that into 20 seconds, that's what they're talking about.
Jamie:
Where deepak says they had sex with Natalee and it was easy to do, is that authentic?
Jamie:
He said you'd be surpsried how easy it was. What you heard on the Phil show was....what was on the tape was not said in one breath by Deepak it was said over a few hours.
Jamie;
Dompig said he's going to bring him in, There's other things on the tape he wants to talk to them about. He's not sure if Deepak said he "did' or "didn't...when I sent the dvd he said he could hear what I heard. My own grandmother can hear what was said on those tapes from my laptop.
Jamie:
Joining us is Mark Fuhrman. What do you make of all this..the 3 versions. Should it stand in the way of re-interrogating the suspects?
Mark;
It just expands an investigation of what happened on the Dr Phil Show. 1.5 hours and narrwoing it to 10 seconds of dialogue...could somebody have taken one question and put another answer in it? Skeeters is an investigator, when Deepak said something to the affirmative....he would have pursued that...are you saying you had sex with Natalee..if he said No or yes, he would pursue exactly who or...this is glaring that if an affirmative response would have been elicited more questions would have been asked in order to get a complete statement so it cannnot be taken out of context.
Jamie:
What happens now, lot of emphasis was given to these tapes.
Mark:
They need to find out what happened, it's a speed bump, it's a defense attorney's dream..this is very damaging to an investigation when you have very little circumstantial evidence and somebody plays with a tape and creates a contamination by innuendo.
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Rita Cosby November 29 2005
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:47 pm Post subject:
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Beth has hired John Q Kelly. He'll help by being a liaison with Aruban officials.
Mike Huckabee of Arkansas has announced his support for the boycott.
Huckabee:
It was out of respect for my colleague Mr. Reilly, also respect for the Holloway family. Natalee's mother is from Pine Bluff, Arkansas, much of her family lives here...I felt it was a way we could show our solidarity with our friend Mr. Reilly and this family. I have a family, if it was my child I'd want to know what happened to her ....
Rita:
Reaction from Aruba, Eric Brete...what's your reaction
Eric:
All I can say is don't understand this boycott b/c of this incident that happened on this island....some governors are calling for boycott...he said it's out of respect for Alabama and the family...I have respect for all of them ...and I have a daughter in the US....I care for my daughter and what if something like that happens to her, should I boycott the US. If we can keep going...should we boycott California...
Rita:
DOn't you understand why the family is so frustrated, things are not followed up, no leads...
Brete:
I understand, but nobody knows what happened to Miss Holloway, if we could just all sit together and try to come up with solutions, rather than blame ppl..if we are going to boycott...Ms Twitty says she's worried about safety of ppl of Aruba, should we call boycott of St Thomas..2 boys from US were killed there awhile back ...where are we going with this...if it was my daughter I would do everything, but I cannot go blame innocent ppl living on this island....a boycott is just out of this world.
Rita:
Mike Huckabee, is boycott going too far
Huckabee:
There are too many questions about ppl arrested then released...Bob Reilly communicated that there are issues that are not resolved, things that would be fair enough to be resolved. We are trying to show that there is a need for us to stand with this fmaily, to ask the questions to ensure there is a level of co-operation with the family and the US
Rita:
Are you talking to travel agents, other goversors....
Huckabee:
...we are making them aware ot this family's grief and plight and when they plan their vacations, and until questions are answered to the satisfaction of Beth and the US, they should think about other places to go...I grieve for the ppl of aruba who aren't responsible.
Rita:
....do you believe the arubans are doing everything they can.
Huckabee;
I don't know...I have complete faith in the Holloway family and Reilly...Beth grew up here, Natalee's father is from Arkansas, that's who I have to believe and in whom I have to have confidence.
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Arlene;
I heard entire tape this afternoon
Greta:
Is this what has been...is this the best version.
Arlene:
This is the CD ROM handed to the police...you don't see the body language on the Dr Phil show...on this CD....he shakes his head NO....on Dr Phil show they split the screen. they froze the head of the boy...
Greta:
It is actually audio and video. I spoke with Jamie earlier today...he told me two things, that at one point Deepak says very faintly that he did have sex with her and then the conflict about the response that he did or did not. Did you hear a faint "I did"
Arlene:
You heard, no she didn't. You actually see a head shaking "NO"
Greta:
Is there any portion in any way that would make Deepak's lawyer feel uncomfortable about anything Deepak said in that interview?
Arlene:
They talked about all these shows do pay or not pay for him to get on. This is the conversation, the pre converstaion to get him on the Phil Show...it's not an interrogation like ppl want you to believe...please take polygraph, come on the Dr Phil show, talk about his bad experience...actually it is a long converastion
Greta:
It's hard to detemrine authenticity, do they also have ability to improve the qulaity.
Arlene:
The one you have is played through the phone, I have to say the footage is very bad, the position is very bad, the back of his head, not the front, the audio is not the best. It is clear that he says "no she didn't" and you see him shake his head "NO"
Greta:
Is this of any value to the prosecution
Arlene:
The prosecution is still waiting for the results on the hard drive..they requested 2 weeks ago from the FBI to check the hard drive. The results are still not in.
Greta:
There may be a better rendition on the hard drive.
Arlene:
Mr Skeeters volunteered that to the FBI
Greta:
He did give it to the FBI
Arlene:
....I'm sure that the FBI will determine that.
Greta:
Natalee's mother is here. You've listened to the tape, what do you think?
Beth:
He pulled right out of that.....you'd be surprised how easy it was... Jamie skeeters stands by that info on the tape..I'm standing with Jamie...what has aruba shared with us..they've shared nothing with us or the FBI....Joran said Deepak raped, killed and buried my daughter.
Greta:
It's very poor quality tape... our ppl in my staff .....what we heard on the tape was "you'd be surprised how simple it would have been"....here's the practical problem..unless the pros has very strong info to go on...if they go forward on something skimpy, it would be a bigger problem
Beth:
Absolutely, I wish they wouldn't spend so much time on a 6 or 8 second sound byte...where are their videotapes....that's what just sickens me..
Greta:
Have you seen some video, when they interviewed the 3...did they videotape that?
Beth:
yes, they were videotaped, I put it in my journal....the cameras were never turned off. Every statement should have been videotaped and given to the FBI
Greta:
When you sat down with the Prosecutor, did she mention to you if there was videotape statement of the 3, were there lies or inconsistencies....
Beth:
The statement was given on June 13, he took her to his home and had sex with her.
Greta;
We visited the van der Sloots, ANita described some of the sexual acitivty between the two, was it beyond what the mother described to us.
Beth:
Yes absolutely Greta. yes.
Greta;
Have you broached the rape charges with the Prosecutor?
Beth:
yes, after I reviewed my notes, in July Karin admitted she would be bringing rape charges against the suspects,but after August 28, she severed our communications, we've received nothing from her since.
Greta:
I learned today JOhn Kelly released a press release that he represents you now
Beth:
Yes
Greta:
It's very early on, what's the plan for John Q Kelly
Beth:
I think that's something you've asked me all along, about the communication, it's almost embarassing on national television for me to say she wouldn't meet with us...we're hoping that maybe he can get some information and get an open line of communication.
Greta:
Maybe the Gov of Arkansas will ask his ppl to stop travelling to Aruba.
Beth:
All we need is informatio, we need to be kept in the loop, instead of trying to...we would know nothing if it wasn't for you Greta
Greta:
I'm curious what Natalee's friends said about her condition. If somebody gave her a date drug or she was intoxicated...if they had sex with her and she can't give consent, that's rape...
Beth:
I know that the group had been drinking, and I'm certain they'd been drinking hours before they departed C&C...something else that concerns me...she was talking about a lot of strange things..it sounds like she's not only been drinking but she's been drugged. He even said it twice on Current affair
Greta:
It might suggest she was under the influence of some kind of drug. She doesn't ordinarily say strange things does she?
Beth:
Absolutely not ....
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Greta:
Ted?
Ted:
....These tapes are unbelievable. I can't believe Skeeters asking questions and not giving him a chance to answer, this is embarassing, these tapes could doom the entire investigation.
Greta:
He was having converastion, sort of softening him up to give him a polygrpah ....
Ted:
There's some joy juice in that..
Jim:
This technique of trashing the victim ..... the problem is this was the one chance for this guy to talk and after this....he denied having sex with her.
Greta:
On the other hand, if this is the best..this is the only thing available, even if he said that he had sex with her, it's a defense attorneys dream, it's not much.
Bernie:
It's terrible that Beth hung her hopes on this and it's absolutely nnothing, I don't care where you are...you're going to get laughed out of court....
Greta:
If in this case, he had said "yes we had sex and yes she was drunk" that's rape.
Bernie:
It's over..
Ted;
That's true, there's something else in this tape, one of the tapes from Dr PHil was altered, he put on the air tapes that was altered, shame on him
Greta:
If this was in court he'd go to jail for the manipulation.
Ted:
What Beth is going through is real, and nobody should take advantange of her and Dr Phil took advantage of her
Greta:
A lot of hope was pinned on this tape,
Ted:
Unforutanetly it's not there, they got to watch the parasites that follow this investigation.
Greta:
What do you do with this tape
Jim:
We haven't heard the very best copy, there's something on that hard disk. He did deny, this is not a rape case so far...at this point they're at a dead end. Beth says to this day, the arubans have not turned over to the FBI...why not let the FBI see what's going on, let her know the truth...
Greta:
Even if he's said I raped her..he could come to Court and say he didn't ...
Bernie:
...Arlene says he shakes his head "NO"...that just galvenized it.
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Dan Abrams November 30 2005
Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject:
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Dan Abrams with Arlene Ellis-Schipper, Jamie Skeeters and Clint Van Zandt
The Aruban government is fighting back
Aruban authorities say the interview aired on Dr Phil is not what it seemed. Deepak gave a very different answer on the CD-ROM...
Abrams:
Arlene, bottom line is the big problem here is with regard to the translation or the words that are being put on the screen to describe what Kalpoe said
Arlene:
...the biggest problem was with what was played on Dr. Phil... that shows Kalpoe who does not move his head and a transcript that says "she did"...the CD ROM we received from Skeeters, does not show a frozen image of Kalpoe, it shows Kalpoe shaking his head "NO" while he says "no she didn't"....It is a denial, not an admission. The DFI clearly says that the Dr Phil tape was manipulated both in audio and video.
Dan:
It's clear they edited the tape. what you're saying is you believe this is beyond just editing, they actually manipulated the answers?
Arlene:
Not what I believe, it's what 4 separate investigators of the DFI concluded, they specifically used the word "manipulated the answers". It means you have to cut the questions and answers
Dan:
Jamie you did the interview, many thought this would be the reason Deepak may be brought back for questioning...that they all had sex with Natalee. What do you make of the allegations being made by Arlene
Jamie:
.....Deepak admitted he had sex with Natalee, it's on the tape, it will speak for itself. They're trying to try the case here...I'm looking at my hard drive, he's not shaking his head, on my version, it's clear as a bell. As a matter of fact I'd like you to have a copy of it Dan
Dan:
Ok, we'll air that tomorrow. Arlene, he's the one who made the tape, he's saying, we listened to it...it sounds to me it's not what was said on the tape but the interpretaion.
Arlene:
It's not interpretaion, this is the forensic result, not my interpretation, 4 separate investigaors, the comparison has been made from the video and the CD ROM..which Skeeters sent to the police, the words were "manipulation" not editing. ... it's not becuase we have joined the defense team of Mr. Kalpoe, it's because for weeks in the media the ALE were battered by american media that Kalpoe admitted to rape. It also set the scene for boycott, now it's clear that these tapes have been tampered with, the truth was not broadcast...it was used to manipulate the governors and the people to go out for a boycott.....Kalpoe is a suspect and as a matter of act he's scheduled to be heard.
The police explained to me....the trouble with this whole media conference is,....the police cannot leak stuff, they have to investigate all kinds of scenarios, they have to go in a tactical way to investigate everything and one of the suspects that will be heard again will be Kalope
Dan:
I'll play the tape again, they said they tested the tape, they're saying the tape played on Phil was altered....
Jamie;
Even the Dutch folks said my tapes are pure, virgin and they will speak for themselves
Dr. PHil is as honest as you and your staff DAn, nobody is trying to manipulate anything.
Dan:
I do want to see that tape. Clint I want to ask you how you authenticate a tape like that....
(Plays a tape)
It does sound different ot me Clint, I have to tell you ....
Jamie:
I don't know which one you played ..... I heard on the tape and what you hear on the tape, when I make that statement, she probably had sex with all of you , after a second he says "she did"....then he says something like and .....then he goes "you'd be surprised how simple it was that night".
Dan:
I'm going to give everyone a chance...CLint listen with me,...
CLint:
We know, eyewitness is the absolute worse evidence, here you have eye and ear witness, you've got Jamie who was the original interviewer, standing one or two feet away from Deepak. Jamie says he said it, and Jamie says his tape says it...what the FBI will do, I've talked to former FBI agent who does this, he said ....we can take it and we can run the graph, listen to the voice pitch, what they're looking for is that Richard Nixon gap...but when it comes down to it, you get an audio expert and he/she will sit with a headset and compare each to the other, 100 times, and that's how they will come to their conclusions.
Dan:
I'll try for tomorrow, we'll try to have an audio expert...hopefully Arlene will come back on....
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject: Greta On The Record December12
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I am posting this transcript on this forum and this forum alone. Please do not post it at CTV or anywhere else. Many took the liberty of impuning not only my integrity but my character on the CTV Natalee board last week. I feel no further desire or obligation to share my efforts for the reading pleasure of those who viciously dumped on me. Let them eat cake ....
Greta:
Jossy I understand there's a shake up coming in Aruba
Jossy:
The police is very upset about this prosecutor who has come from Curacao....the police have the idea she came to help, to assist in reviewing the case of Natalee
We also heard from reliable source that the Minister is intent on getting rid of Karin Janssen after the 16th...he gave her grace until then to settle her differences with her boss, after that he will give her the walking papers.
Greta:
If she's out then what?
Jossy:
They will have to appoint another prosecutor, maybe this one who came from Curacao
This has gone on since long before the Natalee case, the differences were public, the working relationship is not good between The Prosecutor and her boss
Greta:
Is this the working relationship or is it because of the Natalee investigation.
Jossy:
Bad blood began long before the Natalee case
Greta:
What happens now...it seems the police union is upset Karin is getting the boot
Jossy:
Police Union wants compelte clarity with this, since Friday they are informaed they are not co-operating with the Natlee case, until the know what this Curacao Prosecutor came to do....investigate or help
We hear from reliable sources that the Minister wants to replace Dompig with Richardson. He's a commissary with the police
Greta
If everybody is getting the boot, could we say there's chaos there
Jossy:
It's from the beginning the problem between the Attorney General and the Prosecutor, but now it's worse.....they find a prosecutor coming from Curacoa to look at the investigation, then suddently, she's saying now she's there to investigate the prosecutor...
Greta:
Is Karin Janssen getting a fair shake?
Jossy:
I say she's not being given a fair shake, she provided good evidence for sexual assault, I think there's a lot of politics involved here.
Greta:
Aruban authorities are headed to Washington..who do they want to talk to? Natalee's mother is here, before we talk about Washington, let me talk about what Jossy has reported. It looks like Karin may be getting the boot as of the 16th of December
Beth:
I got a call from my attorney last Friday, she told me an attorney from Curacao was coming to look at the case...she said they might quit the investigation
I just feel as if they are, they have really worked so hard to not have anyone else get involved in the ivnestigation. They kept the FBI at such arms length, why are they less receptive to a new prosecutor, what do they not want anyone else to discover.
Greta:
There's finger pointing, ppl not wanting to co-operate, it really doesn't give you a sense that things are in very good shape ...
Beth:
It tells me that Natalee was robbed of an investgation from the begining.
Greta:
Jossy says Karen is simply not getting a fair shake
Beth:
Something that we've always questioned if, what is the prosecutor laying in front of the Judge, what we don't know is where it's breaking down. IS it Karin, the evidence she was presenting or was it the Jduge. We never knew where the break down was.
Greta;
In the last 3 weeks have you heard anything at all from the Prosecutor?
Beth:
No. The last time I spoke to her was August 28
Greta:
There's a delegation due to arrive thursday in Washington, to meet with a congressman ....do you know anything about that?
Beth:
No, I think what I've heard, what Jossy referred to, Congressman Bachus, I don't know who is involved. I'm hearing for the first time that Dompig may not be going to Washington ...
Greta
Do you find it strange they're coming here to brief somebody
Beth:
It's just all happening so quickly this week, it will be a turning point over the next few days, anxious to see what happens between now and friday.
Greta:
Looks like a full scale panic, then the chief prosecutor is getting fired, another prosecutor coming to replace her...Do you get any strength from this
Beth:
Not right now I don't, not at all. I think we'll all be on pins and needles, to see who will take control. It sounds all up in the air
Greta;
Seems Karen and the Attorney General have never worked well together.
Beth:
We were told that early on, but I think a lot of it was the Attorney General's dissatisfaction of how Natalee's case was handled.
I can't wait to see what kind of developments there will be over the next few days...who materializes for these meetings.
Greta:
We're not hearing he's whether Dompig is getting fired or coming to Washington....
Greta:
Fired? Karin
Jeff Brown:
Yes, she's going to get fired. There's an investigation of an investigation, they will fire her, the war is over and now add up those factors, they've got a real problem with this case, they're fighting amongst themselves.
Greta:
They're sending ppl to Washington to talk to Congress
Bernie:
You can use any cliche, too little, too late, the police are taking a position on all this, saying they're not going to work on the case....
Ted:
They wasn't working on the case with due diligence in the first place...what is needed is new blood, and if they keep the pressure on..I believe they need....what they may be able to do, bring in the FBI as co-equal partners
Jeff:
You're not going to find out anything from the FBI, this case is over...they can bring anybody in on this case, they're not going to solve this
Ted:
.......there needs to be communication with the family
Greta:
Well Hellooooooo, that's a revelation now isn't it ....communicate with the family ...
Jeff:
You don't have one single piece of physical evidence, they haven't announced any. All we know of is some conflicting statements.
Bernie:
The evidence has been lost or bungled
Greta:
It's almost worse than I could ever have imagined ...
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Rita Cosby December 13 2005
Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: Rita Cosby Dec 13
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Shake up in the investigation. Two figures could be shown the door while police refuse to continue with the investigation.
Steve Cohen joins Rita.
Rita:
Steve, tell me about this delegation that will be travelling to Washington D.C.
Steve:
The delegation is a courtesy call. After Governor Riley imposed the boycott, COngressmen Bachus said come visit and tell us what you know about the investigation.
Rita:
Is it a PR game or Pr show?
Steve:
We're way past PR in the Natalee case, everything has to be substantive, we will be giving everything since the release from KIA of the suspects, everything subsequent as well as the first 10 days, ask us any questions, this will be a deep background session
Rita:
It looks like the lead prosecutor will be removed.
Steve:
The AG, has had conversations with Karin Janssen for 4-6 weeks: what do you have, how quickly will the case end...if you're not going to get there quickly, I have to remove you. KJ has said give me more time
The AG, said I believe you but I'm bringing in another prosecutor from Curacao to check all the work done in the case.
I think what this prosecutor does is bring another set of eyes, look at everytihng, remember that Janssen went 7 or 8 times to the Judges, held the suspects for over 175 days, she could never get a Judge to give her an ok on the case she brought forward
Rita:
WHy would that be?
Steve:
The bulk of the evidence is not weighty enough to bring a case, in terms of the way the Dutch do things. You have to have a preponderence of evidence before you go to the Judge.
Rita:
Dompig said the three boys are guilty as hell, now I just have to prove it
Steve:
Gerold is loquacious, he's a very tough guy. You couldn't find a more honset guy on the planet. HE's very frustrated, six months on the investigation and a new prosecutor brought in. He took offense at that, he's back on the case, Karen Janssen is instructing them...I say there will be an accelaration of the case, not a decceleration
Rita:
You say Dompig is an honest guy....he said the suspects are guilty as hell ...
Steve:
that's the most likely scenario, there are other scenarios being looked at, we'll see which one actually leads to a case ...
Rita:
The delegation going to Washington, is this all SHow
Mr ???:
It's damage control from Aruba
Rita:
A lot of damage control, a lot ..
Mr ???:
I think they're trying to deal with the boycott thru diplomatic channels
Carl Jeffers:
The show aspect, let's remember Aruba depends on 75% of its economy from US tourism, any time there is some organized effort to boycott travel, it's really not just show when they say we must do more...I do believe there is substance to their desire to present a bolder face on what their efforts are. Let's be realisitc of what the impact of the boycott is, 75% of the Alabamans say they support, but we all know that 75% of Alabama wouldn't travel to Aruba anyway. Americans are not that much involved with the boycott, most americans don't know there is a boycott.
.....I am entirely happy with all the efforts that are being made, all the publicity. I don't want to see the efforts reduced...I'm happy the mother is able to generate this kind of interest. I would like to see all american families expecting to get this kind of action if their son or daughter is in the same situation.....
Rita:
Cohen says he sees the case accelerating in the near future,....do you believe that
Steve:
I want to back up to the boycott, I do not support that, most of the time boycotts don't work, they backfire. It would be like boycotting Colorado b/c they didn't find Jonbenet's killer. It looks to me that Barney Fife was running that investigation....
Rita:
Give me a break, they are pointing the finger at Twitty...what do you make of that
Carl:
I agree that the boycott, this is like a topical ointment at a poison ivy convention. I want to raise the issue, remember that this is about ARuba. If this murder had taken place in England or Sweden, there wouldn't be anybody organizing a boycott...it's ARuba, it's a country of colour, we need to be sensitive to what the real issues are...let's not jump on the bandwagon here that we wouldn't apply in other situations, other countries.
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Greta December 13 2005
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Greta:
Stunning new reports from Aruba, Natalee's family sent a blistering letter to the authorities last month about removing certain people from Natalee's investigation....now there are reports that some people may be dismissed from the case soon
When aruban police heard that a new prosecutor was being brought in, they refused to work on the case. Helen what is the story about the police union, Jossy said they were not going to go forward investigating if the new prosecutor was brought in
Helen:
The new prosecutor has been brought in from Curacao, the police union decided they wouldn't work on the case until the Minister clarified what this prosecutor would be doing.
The Minister has responded today and the police are back on the job.
Greta:
Jossy said Karin will be fired this week
Helen:
I have nothing confirmed, I've heard about it, but no confirmation
Greta:
Is that usual or odd?
Helen:
I do not believe it's usual procedure, I do not know what's going on....
Greta:
I'd just like to mention that We've had an open invitation since the beginning of this case to the investigative team, but they've always refused our offer.
Dave, the good new and bad news, how do you fell about the latest developmetns?
Dave:
I was hopeful that this new prosecutor would take the suggestion I had given them, bring in a few cold case detectives and a secretary and maybe we could get somewhwere
Greta:
I think we're certainly at that point What do you think a new prosecutor could bring to this case...I think we need a better team to put the investigation together.
Dave:
There was dissention in the prosecutor's office before Natalee's case, it just escalated as time went on. A new prosecutor would take away the conflict of interest with Paul van der Sloot, for one thing
Greta:
Did Karin go out to the scene early on, participate in the investigation herself
Dave:
I met her in the sand dunes, when we arranged for private individuals and tourists to search, she showed up with van der Straatenand the Dutch marines
Grea
What's your opinon of her
Dave:
I can't put anything on her, I'd have to leave that up to the aruban ppl
Greta;
I'd like to have her come out and speak publicly so we can decide whether she's done anything,....there's a lot of mystery swirling around that woman.
Dave:
If she went to Washington, that' would be great but I don't think that's going to happen.....
Greta:
They're all flying to DC on thursday
Dave:
I think they will provide the senator with information about how they've conducted this case, after all Natalee was a resident of Alabama, an american and we need answers.
Greta:
I think they're buckling to the boycott, they're worried about the boycott, I wish they'd spend their money bringing some better investigators in, I dont' think coming here advances the investigation'
Dave:
I don't believe anybody will show up, I understand it will be ppl from the task force and tourism coming, people who con't know anything about the case.
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Greta:
Officials from aruba are going to the States.....Dave give me some idea what good this will do
Dave:
I'm not real sure, I think it's to give the senator confirmation about how the investigation is going....I just can't understand why the police down there won't turn this case over to another set of investigators. The same team has been involved all along.....they continually arrest ppl who are not involved in the case...
Greta:
They're either dealing with an impossible crime or the perfect crime...there's also the case that somebody has been sloppy, we just don't get any information, we have no idea about anything
Dave:
I'm hopeful that the new prosecutor can look at the evidence and determine if they took statements or they didn't take statements..... they can't get anything out of these guys except dropping her off at the beach; a 17 , 18 and 21 year old guy and that's all they can get out of them ??
Greta:
I wonder what's going on when they send these ppl to Washington...I think it's bizarre
Maybe this new person will give you answers or you'll get lucky in the next few days. GOing back to aruba any time soon?
Dave:
Since the police decided nobody is going to investigate, or everybody is going to ivnestigate...I'm just concerned.
Greta:
Every time I was there, I felt safe, but they have certainly failed your family immensely.
Is Aruba wasting time bringing in a new prosecutor when they should really be searching for Natalee?
Mark Fuhrman, bringing in a new prosecutor to investigate the investigation is a good thing or ....
Mark:
The prob with aruba's investigation, they thought there was a girl who was a runaway, they didn't collect evidence, they didn't approach the case in the first week, forensic evidence disappears, the body could have been found, but they'd have to admit they blew it from the start, and the coverup starts....
What does a prosecutor know about investigating a homicide anyway?
Greta:
When they go the scene, it sure helps what...they won't even talk we have no idea, our imaginations roll, the idea of sending a delegation to Washington is not a smart use of resources in my opinion
Mark:
I don't disagree, I think they want business back in Aruba...they're not, it's a disengenous effort by ARuba to get people to come to aruba, they don't care about Natalee...prosecutors working with detectives doesn't work...that's ridiculous.
Greta:
I liked going to the scene,
Mark:
What's happening in Aruba, the pros is the final word rather than the police being the final word...
Greta:
I'm so deeply disturbed that they are sending a delegation here to brief a congressman
Mark:
They are bringing a travel agent to america to beg us is what they're really doing
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Greta:
A delegation from Aruba has landed in Washington, they want to talk to a congressman
Tito who's here and why
Tito:
Police Commisioner Richardson and Arlene joined by Steve Cohen....their reason is to speak to a congressman from Alabama and to give a view of what is raelly happening in Aruba in this case
Greta:
The Strategic Committee, this is not part of the prosecutor's office or the police, these are private business ppl who aren't out there on the street investigating, isn't that right Tito?
Tito:
Ppl assembled from all sorts of walks of life, that know what's happening on the island, lot of things have been said in the media that are incorrect, their job has been to analyze and monitor and correct these wrong things
Greta:
Are they sitting down with the prosecution and police and discussing the case ....
Tito:
Two ways, information about Aruba and info about the situations with law, that's why they brought in Arlene, she's doing a good job on american tv to explain the Dutch Law.
Greta:
Have they talked to the police and prosecutors, to insiders in the know
Tito:
Yes, they have talked to prosecution, there's open communication
Greta:
So the prosecution and police are willing to talk to them, but not willing to talk to Natalee's mother
Tito:
That's unfair, they get information that you and I can get but the core information is not known to them
Greta:
No inside scoop, they get what we ge, ok
Jim Hammer, Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams
Bernie:
Seems to me there's a delegation similar to the chamber of commerce, representing the business entities, all these media shows, Greta in particualr are hurting their business. What we've reported is everything we've learned from Aruban newspapers, anything we've learned has been corroborated by Arlene and Jossy, so what's Tito talking about...
Greta:
Theres's an open invitation...I've volunteered to go down there to talk to the police..give up some of my vacation time ....they will talk to the Chamber of Commerce but they won't talk to us, and the family complains.
Ted:
This is smoke and mirrors, this boycott is driving businessmen to do something in Washington, if you listen to Tito, they don't know anymore than us about the investigation. If they meet with Bachus, I hope he says can we bring FBI in as equal partners..then we can talk about this boycott.
Greta:
What can Bachus do for them
Jim:
.....all they can really do is strengthen the threat of the boycott, we want to talk to real ppl, if there's a January deadline to quit the investigation., this boycott is having an effect..
Greta:
The last thing we want to do is hurt the investigation, is there some information that can be released to the public,
Jim:
I wish the lead Prosecutor would come on the show to be interviewed, it troubles me that any of them are attacking the mother of the homicide victim. I still have a question about the connections in this case, Beth has said they all know each other...
Greta:
We've been pounding them for information but the Attorney General won't provide the information and won't allow the Prosecutor to talk
Grimm;
IN the US system I can go down to the courthouse, I can go there and find out everything, Arlene has told us if the Pros or anybody reveals any info it's immediate grounds for dismissal.
Greta:
It's not so automatic like that, I don't think so...
Ted:
I guarantee you, they don't have any evidence.
Greta received an e-mail from Tito after his interview was over. He wanted to clarify that The Strategic Committee is not going to be in Washington, Ellis-Schipper is there strictly as an Attorney.
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Dan Abrams December 23 2005
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject:
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Lisa Daniels:
Steve, why was Joran told he's going to be re-interrogated?
Steve:
It seems to outsiders that they may have lost investigative edge here, but when he left to go to Holland, he and the Kalpoe's have remained suspects, and they were told long ago they'd be re-interviewed. Only the investigators know exactly what they'll be asked.
They will try to nail them on all the discrepancies...
Lisa:
What's the difference in what they'll be asked this time than before?
Steve:
They've had a chance to go back over all the testimony, they've interviewed new witnesses with new information .....
Lisa:
What are the ground rules, can these guys just walk out if they want to?
Steve:
They're coming back voluntarily, they have an attorney who cannot speak during the inteerrogation, but he can ask for a break at which time he may speak with his client.
They will be questioned separately, they will have attorneys with them. At this point, this is the time to accelerate the case, we've been doing a lot of interviewing over the last few weeks with witnesses who hadn't come forward before ...
Lisa:
What about Paulus
Steve:
He was exonerated by the Judge of Instruction. However, under Dutch law he can be brought back for questioning, if needed.
Lisa:
Next, reaction from Natalee's dad, Dave Holloway. Is he encouraged that the investigation seems to be moving forward.
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Lisa:
Joran has left the Netherlands, today he's back in Aruba. WIthin days the police will re-question him and the Kalpoe brothers. They will be questioned about discrepancies in their timeline.
Dave, are you encouraged by this news?
Dave:
I'm not really sure how to gauge it, I'm encouraged any time they bring them back.. I'm confused, I have a very good source who told me the boys have already been given a list of the questions they'll be asked.
My source tells me he knows what's going to be asked, it was given to him approx 2 weeks ago.
Lisa:
If it's true, what's your reaction to that?
Dave:
I'm still trying to struggle for the reasons, are they going to ask other questions, I don't know. It's very disturbing to me that someone would have a list of quesitons in advance of interrogation.
Lisa:
What would you ask Joran?
Dave:
I'd ask where's Natalee, what did he do with her if he had anything to do with it. You know suspects can lie in Aruba, but witnesses can't....Paulus is no longer a suspect, so make him a witness and re-interview him
Lisa:
If it's true he was given the questions is it because he went back voluntarily, it's a deal they made with him...
Dave;
I'm still struggling with why they gave him questions in advance, so he can really concentrate on what he's going to be asked, maybe it's just all for show
Lisa:
I sense your frustration, that they're going through the motions, they're responding but it doesn't mean too much
Dave:
About 60 days ago, they said they were on a 60 day plan, after 60 days if they don't come up with anything, they will close the case, but they've reconsidered on that ....
Lisa:
Any doubt that these 3 are involved?
SDave:
They are the last 3 seen with Natalee Holloway and they have more answers.
Lisa:
Your family has been quite outspoken about how they handled this case. Do you think they will have a break?
Dave:
They have a 17, 19 and 21 year old, any investigator could crack one of these kids, I know in the US, any investigator, if they had the opportunity, they'd get them
Lisa:
WIll you be going back to Aruba?
Dave:
TES is seriously considering going back to do a water search .....
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Catherine Crier December 23 2005
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:47 pm Post subject:
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Vinny Pollitan:
What's going on here, Joran is going to be questioned again, as well as Deepak and Satish ....
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