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Gregor
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:14 am |
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| all10suspects wrote: |
Its like when you use the same play over and over in sports.
One time it may not work. That is what happen with Joran. Joran
picked the wrong girl who did not surive his game! |
It was the girl who picked Joran.
I wonder why that was.
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| all10suspects
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:26 am |
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| Gregor wrote: |
It was the girl who picked Joran.
I wonder why that was. |
The girl wanted to go back to Jorans hotel room at least that is what
all the MBers thought. The girl did not know that Joran was using his pick up line on her. The MB girls did not know that Joran lived in a big house
or else the girls would have never talked to him. Even Joran says that!
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| liesbeth
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:41 am |
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| Gregor
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:38 am |
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| all10suspects wrote: |
The girl wanted to go back to Jorans hotel room at least that is what
all the MBers thought. The girl did not know that Joran was using his pick up line on her. The MB girls did not know that Joran lived in a big house
or else the girls would have never talked to him. Even Joran says that! |
How do you know what the MB girls thought?
This is the first I heard about a pick up line, and since the girl picked up Joran, she must be the one who had the pick up line.
Come to think of it, "Would you like to lick a jello shot out of my navel?" would probably work on most 17 year old boys.
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| Gregor
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:40 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
A lot of girls find Joran a nice looking guy.
Most lover boys are good looking, know how to talk, use drugs and now how to arrange girls.
Maybe Joran played the role of loverboy that night. 8) |
Doesn't sound like you've had much experience.
Real "lover boys" don't need drugs.
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| liesbeth
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:01 pm |
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| Gregor
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:15 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
A lot of boys do those things so they can pay their expensive habits like using drugs or gambling. |
How does plying a stranger with drugs help pay for them?
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| dugo
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:48 pm |
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Loverboys in .nl refers in reality to a type of pimps that in fact use violence, threats and drugs to make young women work for them. In fiction they use attention, sweet words and presents to get the job done.
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| dugo
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:56 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
A lot of boys do those things so they can pay their expensive habits like using drugs or gambling. |
It takes more than just a few days to condition a young women vulnerable for this to become profitable. Tourists are pisspoor targets for that. Lots of boys just want NSA sex, figuring out how to target tourists for that isn't difficult and you don't need heavy drugs for that, though a few red fires could help a bit.
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| liesbeth
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:25 pm |
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| all10suspects
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:41 pm |
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Natalee fell a sleep in the car and at the beach. Wonder how long she was awake when she was with j2k?
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| dugo
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:30 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
Probably Joran needed a lift somewhere and it was not meant to her hotel otherwise Joran would not ask Deepak to drop them in the little street behind the Marriot hotel.
Joran could also have asked to bring her back to the hotel: that's what Deepak was intending to do.
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Deepak dropped them of at romantic walk distance from her hotel. Why would D have any reason to think /OMG she can't make it to her hotel from here tonight?/
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If you have plans with a girl and tell her you are staying in the same hotel she is staying, it is not very difficult, is it.
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If she doesn't want to come home with you and doesn't invite you to her hotel room and you don't have a hotel room you either call it a day because you forgot your condoms anyway, or you try to make the best out of it at the beach..
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| Linda in L.A.
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:38 pm |
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| Gregor wrote: |
What kind of help did he need?
You have no idea how he treated Natalee, and as to how he treated her family, he offered to talk with them, but they refused.
It would appear the problem is with the family, not Joran. |
Gregor...c'mon now...you have been a reasonable person in the past. Are you saying here if you were with someone who ok...drank to excess...and they passed out...you would not try and get them help? I find that hard to believe.
As for offering to talk with the family and their refusal...wasn't that because they wanted a third party to be there and Joran refused that? Wasn't that because he had told so many stories to them in the past they didn't want to have it happen again? I apologize...I can't remember if it was just a 3rd party they wanted in the room or whether it was more...I only remember it being said she wanted him to be accountable for what he had to say. I believe in the same situation I would still want to meet with him...but then I'm not in the same situation.
I think there is enough "problems" to pass around here.
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| liesbeth
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:43 pm |
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| liesbeth
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:45 pm |
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| Gregor
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:54 pm |
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Gregor...c'mon now...you have been a reasonable person in the past. Are you saying here if you were with someone who ok...drank to excess...and they passed out...you would not try and get them help? I find that hard to believe.
As for offering to talk with the family and their refusal...wasn't that because they wanted a third party to be there and Joran refused that? Wasn't that because he had told so many stories to them in the past they didn't want to have it happen again? I apologize...I can't remember if it was just a 3rd party they wanted in the room or whether it was more...I only remember it being said she wanted him to be accountable for what he had to say. I believe in the same situation I would still want to meet with him...but then I'm not in the same situation.
I think there is enough "problems" to pass around here. |
You apparently choose to believe some of the bogus "confession." I don't.
If you take twenty some hours of tapes and edit them to a few minutes of conversation, you can get the parties to that conversation to say anything you want.
Add that to the fact Joran was having talks with someone he was trying to impress, and hoping to get something out of the relationship, I think the tape is absolutely worthless.
As to Joran talking with Beth, I believe she made the ridiculous demand that Joran be hooked up to a lie detector during the conversation.
Polygraphs just aren't given that way.
Of course, since Skeeters administered a polygraph to "Junior" through an interpreter, he may have been willing to take polygraphing to a new (lower) level.
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| dugo
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:27 pm |
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| all10suspects wrote: | | Natalee fell a sleep in the car and at the beach. Wonder how long she was awake when she was with j2k? |
I dont know. She must have been tired.
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| iquitos
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:48 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
A lot of girls find Joran a nice looking guy.
Most lover boys are good looking, know how to talk, use drugs and now how to arrange girls.
Maybe Joran played the role of loverboy that night.  |
are you experienced in this?
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| Linda in L.A.
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:49 pm |
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| Gregor wrote: |
You apparently choose to believe some of the bogus "confession." I don't.
If you take twenty some hours of tapes and edit them to a few minutes of conversation, you can get the parties to that conversation to say anything you want.
Add that to the fact Joran was having talks with someone he was trying to impress, and hoping to get something out of the relationship, I think the tape is absolutely worthless.
As to Joran talking with Beth, I believe she made the ridiculous demand that Joran be hooked up to a lie detector during the conversation.
Polygraphs just aren't given that way.
Of course, since Skeeters administered a polygraph to "Junior" through an interpreter, he may have been willing to take polygraphing to a new (lower) level. |
Wasn't referring to Joran's recent confession. Joran said right from the beginning Natalee wouldn't wake up so he left her there. That was one version. Another was he told her he was leaving...but Deepak's statement kind of showed that wasn't true.
But you are right...his recent "confession" also stated Natalee passed out. While I don't believe that was a confession by Joran...I do believe a lot of it was true. However legally...I understand why it just doesn't wash in a court of law.
But you didn't really answer. Are you saying in a similar situation...you would leave a girl who had passed out alone?
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| Heli
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:50 pm |
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Who says that this was how it went?
Joran?
Why did he tell everybody he left his shoes on the beach?
To place himself to the beach? |
Didn't need his shoes on the beach, Beth.
There is incontrovertable proof he was at the beach via his
cell phone records and the triangulation thereof. Not to mention
collateral evidence by way of computer records and timeframe
calculations that support his location during the subject hours.
Evidence is a bitch when it doesn't support your theory, eh? 
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| Heli
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:55 pm |
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Wasn't referring to Joran's recent confession. Joran said right from the beginning Natalee wouldn't wake up so he left her there. That was one version. Another was he told her he was leaving...but Deepak's statement kind of showed that wasn't true.
But you are right...his recent "confession" also stated Natalee passed out. While I don't believe that was a confession by Joran...I do believe a lot of it was true. However legally...I understand why it just doesn't wash in a court of law.
But you didn't really answer. Are you saying in a similar situation...you would leave a girl who had passed out alone? |
Research will inform you that many persons have been put to bed in a drunken stupor and/or passed out. Young people in particular don't see passing out as particularly alarming but merely a by-product of partying.
Research will also inform you that many people, put to bed in this condition, have alcohol poisoning and never wake up.
I'd venture to say young people in general wouldn't view someone passed out after drinking as alarming. You leave them to sleep it off.
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| GBMW
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:59 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
Didn't need his shoes on the beach, Beth.
There is incontrovertable proof he was at the beach via his
cell phone records and the triangulation thereof. Not to mention
collateral evidence by way of computer records and timeframe
calculations that support his location during the subject hours.
Evidence is a bitch when it doesn't support your theory, eh? |
I thought triangulation can give one several places to be?
Computer records mean squat concerning him being at the beach or not.
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| all10suspects
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:03 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
Research will inform you that many persons have been put to bed in a drunken stupor and/or passed out. Young people in particular don't see passing out as particularly alarming but merely a by-product of partying.
Research will also inform you that many people, put to bed in this condition, have alcohol poisoning and never wake up.
I'd venture to say young people in general wouldn't view someone passed out after drinking as alarming. You leave them to sleep it off. |
Yes teens are pased out usally in a room some where. I also do not think they are left alone. Usually in another part of a house. Not to many are left on the beach. Guess that is ok in Aruba after all nothing ever happens. But all it takes is once!
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| Linda in L.A.
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:29 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
Research will inform you that many persons have been put to bed in a drunken stupor and/or passed out. Young people in particular don't see passing out as particularly alarming but merely a by-product of partying.
Research will also inform you that many people, put to bed in this condition, have alcohol poisoning and never wake up.
I'd venture to say young people in general wouldn't view someone passed out after drinking as alarming. You leave them to sleep it off. |
Yes Heli...but in my opinion...you said the magic words. They were "put to bed in this condition"...not left out at the beach. Had Joran gotten Natalee to the room (and I do understand she refused to go...but he could have called one of her friends at the hotel or the hotel itself) then he wouldn't be involved in all of this.
That was my whole point...you just don't leave a girl passed out at the beach. I also understand hindsight is a wonderful thing. But if Joran honestly left her passed out at the beach...embarrassed or not...he should have spoken up. The fact that he didn't...and his many real or fake confessions...make me question that this is what really happened.
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| ghost
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Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:34 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
Research will inform you that many persons have been put to bed in a drunken stupor and/or passed out. Young people in particular don't see passing out as particularly alarming but merely a by-product of partying.
Research will also inform you that many people, put to bed in this condition, have alcohol poisoning and never wake up.
I'd venture to say young people in general wouldn't view someone passed out after drinking as alarming. You leave them to sleep it off. |
Passing out isn't always alarming, but I don't know anyone who has left them alone on a beach or something similar.
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