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cajun_mali
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Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:55 pm |
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This thread. like so many others, starts with the unproven assumption that Joran had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. Do you believe if you act like it's true long enough, it will come true?
It's a waste of time to read, let alone discuss. Look where the thread is headed to now all because of a piece of fiction.
Remember out President talking about Private Jessica Lynch's heroic last stand? I always wondered where the heck he got the "facts". And when she was found alive and told the truth of what happened, she was simply forgotten except by a small circle of people.
KM wasn't there, he doesn't know what happened, but he wants us to waste our time discussiong fiction.
All it takes is the courage to say that what you say isn't true, and I won't waste anymore time on it.
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| WordsofWisdom
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| cajun_mali wrote: | This thread. like so many others, starts with the unproven assumption that Joran had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. Do you believe if you act like it's true long enough, it will come true?
It's a waste of time to read, let alone discuss. Look where the thread is headed to now all because of a piece of fiction.
Remember out President talking about Private Jessica Lynch's heroic last stand? I always wondered where the heck he got the "facts". And when she was found alive and told the truth of what happened, she was simply forgotten except by a small circle of people.
KM wasn't there, he doesn't know what happened, but he wants us to waste our time discussiong fiction.
All it takes is the courage to say that what you say isn't true, and I won't waste anymore time on it. |
Yes, it is that logic, "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth" that drives many on here. It is the basis for propaganda, and is used in many campaigns- political and marketing, to sell ideas and products to trusting audiences.
That has pretty much come to an end as people have been lied to so much, the innocence and naivete' that these campaigns relied on no longer exist in the majority of people. Not only that but the realization that these campaigns were successful because they relied on their audience to be trusting has made that very same audience furious for being taken advantage of like that.
Their mistake is to continue that line of deceit. No one likes to be considered a moron, but that is, in effect, what they are doing when they continue to assume we are buying the lies. They have been exposed, they just haven't realized it yet. Thats why it is so easy to see their agenda.
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| WordsofWisdom
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:48 am |
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| cajun_mali wrote: | Remember out President talking about Private Jessica Lynch's heroic last stand? I always wondered where the heck he got the "facts". And when she was found alive and told the truth of what happened, she was simply forgotten except by a small circle of people.
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That is an excellent example of propaganda.
I wonder who that story teller is?
I watched Jessica Lynch give her testimony, as well as interviews. It baffles the mind- they (the fiction writers of that story) never once approached her- instead they "thought" she would just go along with it. Had they done so they would have known that integrity was a part of Jessica's makeup, and she would never have gone along with the lie. But people without integrity always forget to factor that in- because they have none.
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| AlwaysL8
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:24 am |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: |
Yes, it is that logic, "if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth" that drives many on here. It is the basis for propaganda, and is used in many campaigns- political and marketing, to sell ideas and products to trusting audiences.
That has pretty much come to an end as people have been lied to so much, the innocence and naivete' that these campaigns relied on no longer exist in the majority of people. Not only that but the realization that these campaigns were successful because they relied on their audience to be trusting has made that very same audience furious for being taken advantage of like that.
Their mistake is to continue that line of deceit. No one likes to be considered a moron, but that is, in effect, what they are doing when they continue to assume we are buying the lies. They have been exposed, they just haven't realized it yet. Thats why it is so easy to see their agenda. |
Yes, I agree, many use that logic.
A small example would be "Beth asked for a death certificate", huge insurance policy", "Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty".
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| GEL
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:23 am |
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| AlwaysL8 wrote: |
Yes, I agree, many use that logic.
A small example would be "Beth asked for a death certificate", huge insurance policy", "Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty". |
oh yeah and all of Natalee's pics have been photoshopped.  
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| Mallory
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:22 am |
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| AlwaysL8 wrote: |
Yes, I agree, many use that logic.
A small example would be "Beth asked for a death certificate", huge insurance policy", "Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty". |
Beth lied, Beth lied, Beth lied. The MB kids did it, the MB kids did it!
Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty, but any Twitty will do.
Lather, rinse, repeat!
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| resigned
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:31 am |
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The truth about Jessica Lynch did not take that long to come forward.
Hard for me to believe that the people of Mountain Brook have better connections than the President did.
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| cajun_mali
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:08 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | The truth about Jessica Lynch did not take that long to come forward.
Hard for me to believe that the people of Mountain Brook have better connections than the President did. |
The President was depending on her being dead.
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| cajun_mali
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:11 pm |
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| Mallory wrote: |
Beth lied, Beth lied, Beth lied. The MB kids did it, the MB kids did it!
Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty, but any Twitty will do.
Lather, rinse, repeat!
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I was talking about those who started this thread. Now that "scenario's" aren't the in thing, now it's beginning threads with assumptions that are umproven now.
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| WordsofWisdom
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:25 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | The truth about Jessica Lynch did not take that long to come forward. |
Thats because Jessica told the truth.
Unlike those in Mountain Brook, Alabama...
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| Slickster
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:40 pm |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: |
Thats because Jessica told the truth.
Unlike those in Mountain Brook, Alabama... |
Jug Twitty:
"I've been out myself looking, just asking and looking. For anything," Twitty said from his hotel room on Palm Beach in Aruba.
"But there are just no more clues. That's the hardest part. There's no evidence."
USA Today - June '05
Roll Tide Them Thar Twitty's in Twittyville.
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| Slickster
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Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:08 pm |
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Roll Tide!!!!!!
| Mallory wrote: |
Beth lied, Beth lied, Beth lied. The MB kids did it, the MB kids did it!
Thomas Twitty, Thomas Twitty, but any Twitty will do.
Lather, rinse, repeat!
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What did the MB BRATS do to Natalee, Mallory?
That would be one Thomas 'Allan' Twitty!!!!
Lather, Rinse, repeat.
Is that money laundering?
Or is that.....
Roll Tide Twitty!
http://tinyurl.com/433sjx
Go Vanderbilt! FY-Auburn!
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| K_Meine
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Mon Oct 06, 2008 3:02 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: | This thread. like so many others, starts with the unproven assumption that Joran had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. Do you believe if you act like it's true long enough, it will come true?
It's a waste of time to read, let alone discuss. Look where the thread is headed to now all because of a piece of fiction.
Remember out President talking about Private Jessica Lynch's heroic last stand? I always wondered where the heck he got the "facts". And when she was found alive and told the truth of what happened, she was simply forgotten except by a small circle of people.
KM wasn't there, he doesn't know what happened, but he wants us to waste our time discussiong fiction.
All it takes is the courage to say that what you say isn't true, and I won't waste anymore time on it. |
Allow me to quote myself:
| Quote: | | It is said that sometimes a situation can reach "a point of no return". When a fabrication, a lie or story has been told so many times and for so long that turning back now seems impossible. I wonder if Joran and any of his assistants (yes, I am) ever think about it that way and could anyone ever convince him/them otherwise? |
CM,
Had you bothered to read the aforementioned opening remark on this topic. You might have realized that your comments were without merit.
"All a piece of fiction" you write? Let me make it easier for you. This "topic" is how about how when someone lies frequently and long enough. They can actually begin to believe what they are saying. As the George Costanzo character from Seinfeld once said, It's not a lie, if you believe it. This is not about the facts of lying but of the acts of lying.
The following is a prime example of what I'm attempting to discuss in this topic. Joran has offered something along the lines of all three of the following statements:
Joran leaves Natalee at the beach and walks home
Joran leaves Natalee at the beach and Deepak drives him home
Joran leaves Natalee at the beach and Satish drives him home
I am unaware that all of the parties named in said statements have ever agreed on which one is correct. Being Joran made those remarks, does he ever wish he could take any or all of them back or has that point come and gone?
Why waste your time bashing other boarders views when you are more than welcome and encouraged to start your own topic? Best of luck.
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| cajun_mali
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Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:30 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: | | cajun_mali wrote: | This thread. like so many others, starts with the unproven assumption that Joran had something to do with Natalee's disappearance. Do you believe if you act like it's true long enough, it will come true?
It's a waste of time to read, let alone discuss. Look where the thread is headed to now all because of a piece of fiction.
Remember out President talking about Private Jessica Lynch's heroic last stand? I always wondered where the heck he got the "facts". And when she was found alive and told the truth of what happened, she was simply forgotten except by a small circle of people.
KM wasn't there, he doesn't know what happened, but he wants us to waste our time discussiong fiction.
All it takes is the courage to say that what you say isn't true, and I won't waste anymore time on it. |
Allow me to quote myself:
| Quote: | | It is said that sometimes a situation can reach "a point of no return". When a fabrication, a lie or story has been told so many times and for so long that turning back now seems impossible. I wonder if Joran and any of his assistants (yes, I am) ever think about it that way and could anyone ever convince him/them otherwise? |
CM,
Had you bothered to read the aforementioned opening remark on this topic. You might have realized that your comments were without merit.
"All a piece of fiction" you write? Let me make it easier for you. This "topic" is how about how when someone lies frequently and long enough. They can actually begin to believe what they are saying. As the George Costanzo character from Seinfeld once said, It's not a lie, if you believe it. This is not about the facts of lying but of the acts of lying.
The following is a prime example of what I'm attempting to discuss in this topic. Joran has offered something along the lines of all three of the following statements:
Joran leaves Natalee at the beach and walks home
Joran leaves Natalee at the beach and Deepak drives him home
Joran leaves Natalee at the beach and Satish drives him home
I am unaware that all of the parties named in said statements have ever agreed on which one is correct. Being Joran made those remarks, does he ever wish he could take any or all of them back or has that point come and gone?
Why waste your time bashing other boarders views when you are more than welcome and encouraged to start your own topic? Best of luck. |
What's the point? You started this thread with an imaginary event, not something factual. You ask us to play pretend.
Sorry, it's you who is starting .... um stories ... that just never end.
The only thing you've shown is Joran can't get his story straight about how he got home, nor who his "assistants" were if he had any for ... what?
I've started some and most ended in a flop. I can't make up a "once upon a time" story like you can, I hope I used the facts as I understand them.
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| K_Meine
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:32 am |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
What's the point? You started this thread with an imaginary event, not something factual. You ask us to play pretend.
Sorry, it's you who is starting .... um stories ... that just never end.
The only thing you've shown is Joran can't get his story straight about how he got home, nor who his "assistants" were if he had any for ... what?
I've started some and most ended in a flop. I can't make up a "once upon a time" story like you can, I hope I used the facts as I understand them. |
If you're trying to bore me into submission through your responses. I'd say you're doing well. It's interesting how you can so easily discount Joran's lies as mere forgetfulness or his inability to get his stories straight. He has stated all three version of the "pickup" at one time or another which makes them only imaginary in your head. Simply because Joran struggles with the truth doesn't lessen the validity of those words.
Might I suggest you put me on ignore. Please.
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| cajun_mali
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Soon as you tell me who the assistants were, and what the assistance was. I'm sure it would be appreciated.
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If you're trying to bore me into submission through your responses. I'd say you're doing well. It's interesting how you can so easily discount Joran's lies as mere forgetfulness or his inability to get his stories straight. He has stated all three version of the "pickup" at one time or another which makes them only imaginary in your head. Simply because Joran struggles with the truth doesn't lessen the validity of those words.
Might I suggest you put me on ignore. Please.
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| Sultan
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:35 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
If you're trying to bore me into submission through your responses. I'd say you're doing well. It's interesting how you can so easily discount Joran's lies as mere forgetfulness or his inability to get his stories straight. He has stated all three version of the "pickup" at one time or another which makes them only imaginary in your head. Simply because Joran struggles with the truth doesn't lessen the validity of those words.
Might I suggest you put me on ignore. Please.
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Well, you left out the version where he called someone to come and dispose of Natalee.
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| K_Meine
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:41 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: |
Well, you left out the version where he called someone to come and dispose of Natalee. |
Oh that's right. and that one too.
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| K_Meine
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:06 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: | Soon as you tell me who the assistants were, and what the assistance was. I'm sure it would be appreciated.
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I wonder if Joran and any of his assistants (yes, I am) ever |
Once again I am/was being presumptuous as indicated by the "Yes, I am" loophole I added to the sentence. I should have figured some wouldn't have understood that inclusion. My error, sorry.
Due to the lack of integrity and truthfulness of any of the former and/or current suspects. I have been relegated, as many others have, to the use of statements, behaviors, known facts, theories and probabilities in lieu of physical evidence and admissions.
I do not veil my opinions about Joran and his proposed involvement. From a behavioral standpoint Joran has made himself look VERY guilty. Does that prove that he is. Absolutely not. This board is not a court room. It is a discussion board where people meet to agree, disagree, discuss topics and maybe learn something new.
Anyway, to answer your question. It wouldn't be surprising if Joran had some assistance. That could come in any form such as physical, advice, cover up, etc. Unfortunately, it's a moot point. He doesn't have to tell anyone anything he doesn't want to and so here we are where we shall remain.
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| cajun_mali
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Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:51 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
Once again I am/was being presumptuous as indicated by the "Yes, I am" loophole I added to the sentence. I should have figured some wouldn't have understood that inclusion. My error, sorry.
Due to the lack of integrity and truthfulness of any of the former and/or current suspects. I have been relegated, as many others have, to the use of statements, behaviors, known facts, theories and probabilities in lieu of physical evidence and admissions.
I do not veil my opinions about Joran and his proposed involvement. From a behavioral standpoint Joran has made himself look VERY guilty. Does that prove that he is. Absolutely not. This board is not a court room. It is a discussion board where people meet to agree, disagree, discuss topics and maybe learn something new.
Anyway, to answer your question. It wouldn't be surprising if Joran had some assistance. That could come in any form such as physical, advice, cover up, etc. Unfortunately, it's a moot point. He doesn't have to tell anyone anything he doesn't want to and so here we are where we shall remain. |
Does all that mean I don't have to put you on ignore? And, thank you, I do disagree with the way you post your stories and discuss it quite openly. What's good for the goose ...
So quit whining ...
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| K_Meine
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Does all that mean I don't have to put you on ignore? And, thank you, I do disagree with the way you post your stories and discuss it quite openly. What's good for the goose ...
So quit whining ... |
Here, I got this for you from me. Please press but try not to hurt your finger this time. (In a whisper) it's only imaginary. As a precautionary measure I've pressed it, with you in mind, as well.
I would consider commenting on your posts but there's so little content and depth to work with. I don't mind your minimalist approach though. Whining? The only seems to be coming from your direction. If my frustration with a lack of results in this case is construed as "whining" then so be it. This is not an exercise.
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| cajun_mali
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Let's see, you start with something YOU can't prove, but YOU believe and YOU expect everyone to play pretend and talk about assistants ... now, that IS thin.
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I would consider commenting on your posts but there's so little content and depth to work with. I don't mind your minimalist approach though. Whining? The only seems to be coming from your direction. If my frustration with a lack of results in this case is construed as "whining" then so be it. This is not an exercise. |
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| K_Meine
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| cajun_mali wrote: | Let's see, you start with something YOU can't prove, but YOU believe and YOU expect everyone to play pretend and talk about assistants ... now, that IS thin.
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To be honest I don't expect anything. If people want to participate in the discussions that's great, if not, that's fine as well. Since when can only "proven" subject matter be discussed? If that were the case there would be very little content here.
If you're still in the mood to be the official RU content advisor. Might I suggest you consider the "provabalility" of some the lingering conspiracy theories. If you're looking for "super thin" that might be the best place for someone with your credentials.
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| cajun_mali
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| K_Meine wrote: |
To be honest I don't expect anything. If people want to participate in the discussions that's great, if not, that's fine as well. Since when can only "proven" subject matter be discussed? If that were the case there would be very little content here.
If you're still in the mood to be the official RU content advisor. Might I suggest you consider the "provabalility" of some the lingering conspiracy theories. If you're looking for "super thin" that might be the best place for someone with your credentials. |
This is a discussion about what you wrote! Isn't that what you want? I'm more interested in the fantasy elements you insist on bringing in, and why you keep doing it. If only I could understand what you get out of it. Is it because Joran is the only thing that keeps Natalee's story alive?
If it really bothered you so much, you would simply let me get in the last word.
And why do you keep talking about me, than really discussing what you've written. Is it because you simply have to admit it's fantasy?
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| WordsofWisdom
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
This is a discussion about what you wrote! Isn't that what you want? I'm more interested in the fantasy elements you insist on bringing in, and why you keep doing it. If only I could understand what you get out of it. Is it because Joran is the only thing that keeps Natalee's story alive?
If it really bothered you so much, you would simply let me get in the last word.
And why do you keep talking about me, than really discussing what you've written. Is it because you simply have to admit it's fantasy? |
Yep.
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