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Sami
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:58 pm |
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What do Refugees consider too offensive to post???
I am terribly confused as to the majority's thinking on what is considered too offensive for us to post.
For quite a long time now, I have been publicly objecting to the photoshopped pictures of Beth, et al.
I have also objected to the continual abusive posts and pictures against FEB.
I was always told that this is an Open Forum and that I should scroll past the posts that go against my sensibilities of good taste. For the most part, I tried to do that.
Yesterday, during a discussion thread about the possibility of FEB having blatantly lied, a picture was posted of Feb's nose, along with words that humiliated its size, etc. -- a huge photoshopped picture of it, then a following picture of FEB so everyone would know for sure whose nose we were depicting in a personally humiliating manner.
Wang had posted it as being his nose originally.
I then posted a picture of generic wangs, depicting them as how a 'wang' might disguise his nose. It was immediately moved to a thread of 'heated pictures', due to its being offensive to some posters.
I realize that to post a picture of genitalia is offensive to some posters.
It is also offensive to some posters to see an avatar depicting a man's bare butt (not offensive to me, though).
It is also offensive to some posters to see large-breasted women completely nude from the waist up, but that picture was displayed a couple days ago. (Of course, their breasts were painted. . . .).
It is also offensive to some posters when they have to read statements of 'Fellate me before you leave' or 'Why don't you go douche, then feed your illegitimate children' or the many aspersions against the character of FEB, a girl young enough to be granddaughter to some of you.
It is also offensive to some posters to have pictures show up in discussion threads of Beth with her hands up a monkey's butt, or Beth depicted as a bar rag, since she has been given that title by Refugees.
I personally don't like referring to blow jobs and young girls. I personally don't like degrading living human beings over and over and over again, especially when they or their families either read or belong to this forum.
I think it somehow lessens the impact of our Discussion Forum when we are continually reading posts of character assassinations. I didn't like it when it was done to Joran, et al -- and Aruba -- and I don't like it when it's done to a young girl who may or may not be lying.
How does that add to the discussion, or to our integrity?
But, Hey, it's an Open Forum so we who disagree should just scroll on past, or even go to a moderated forum, unlike our Open Forum. Right?
Or should we move offensive posts out of the public view. If so, which posts? Which posters' sensibilities will be respected and which posters' sensibilities will be negated?
So, what do Refugees consider as too offensive to post?
What posts do you think reflect badly on us as a forum?
I am asking respectfully, as I am confused. . . . . 
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| victims cry
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:04 pm |
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Sami I made a whole thread for that discussion in HE, includiing all the discussion from last night  You may want to check it out. Here is the link
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=785
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| Heli
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:04 pm |
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With all due respect, we're not going to start this all over again today are we? 
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| Gabrielle
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:04 pm |
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Hey Sami!!
There are 528 registered users, so I suppose about 500 or so different opinions on what is considered offensive.
I'll get back to you with my opinion...I need to think about that!
Gaby
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| DivaToo
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:06 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | With all due respect, we're not going to start this all over again today are we? |
Apparently so
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| Katie
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:07 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | With all due respect, we're not going to start this all over again today are we? |
My thoughts exactly, if you don't like scroll past it . I don't like fake boobs so I scroll past your's everyday Sami. J/K 
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| ATA
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:09 pm |
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Did someone bring the cheese to go with all this wine? 
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| Sami
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:10 pm |
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With all due respect, Fiery started a thread about feeling somehow attacked (the other day), and posters reacted to that thread and helped Fiery come to some understanding.
It was not moved out of sight, because no one would have seen it to respond. It didn't harm anyone, and I think it did a lot of good.
Anyone who doesn't want to respond to this, will not respond. The ones who do wish to respond have an opportunity, and I really am asking for some clarification from mods, too.
Please.
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| Heli
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:11 pm |
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| ATA wrote: | | Did someone bring the cheese to go with all this wine? |
You mean that putrid old belly button cheese I smell
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| Spuds
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:12 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | With all due respect, we're not going to start this all over again today are we? |
I sure the hell hope not.
I don't even see the comparison of Wang's pictures to what is being complained about at all.
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| utah
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:14 pm |
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First, I undestand the delicate balance of trying to have an open forum, with 'moderation'.
Which is why, I think moderation is a thankless job.
Fact is, you can't please everyone...and community standards are fluid and seemingly, constantly changing.
I understand the question you raise Sami.
My only answer is to let people moderate themselves. If we don't like what we are seeing, look away. If we don't like what we are reading, turn the page.
Trying to appease folks, through the use of moderation, is mostly impossible. For every person a mod satisfies with a change to the forum, issues are raised in members who previously had no issues.
Some begin to see double standards on the boards. Others see hypocrisy.
Appeasement efforts to keep the board happy, lead to capitulation. The next thing, folks are running to the mods left and right with a litany of accusations, and complaints.
I've seen it play out many times before elsewhere, and many good forums are ruined by excessive pruning. While the mod-pruning might make things appear to be uniform...many branches get cut away from the tree.
Some of those branches sprout new forums....which inerestingly enough, is how this forum was created.
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| justamom
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:20 pm |
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What I consider offensive isnt much, but I dont own this board or pay for the services that allow me to post here. So although some may not be offensive to me, to a majority they might be. Thats life. Happens everyday in the real world as well.
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| Mariposa
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:21 pm |
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Dear Sami
I agree with you whole-heartedly in theory. And I'm glad you unloaded about it. You'll feel better. But I've been online for 20 years, and I've learned a LOT. You've got millions of people here, from millions of backgrounds, with millions of opinions, and millions of perspectives. Each looks at everything through glasses shaded by all of these things. And you know what? That's okay. You can't change the ones who post things in ways you (and most of us, trust me!) don't like. But you can change how you choose to think about them, and when you do that life gets a lot easier.
Happy, loving, accepting, generous people don't usually write offensive things because it's just not part of their nature. That doesn't mean that people who do are bad or wrong or totally screwed up. They have their opinions for real reasons. Think about what kind of reasons those might be, and then the posts are easier to overlook.
I used to work at the Kennedy Space Center. One day a couple of us were telling vile, horrible, disgusting "Challenger jokes", and we were "called" on it by another person. While not a good defense to some, I said, "You know there isn't one person here joking who hasn't cried over this tragedy many times. It's just our way of trying to heal." I think some of that goes on here as well.
I love and respect you for what you wrote here. And I always enjoy your posts. A lot of people do. The ones who count.
Theresa
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I know a woman who got thrown off a COSMETIC forum and I laugh every time I remember what she said to me: "It's a MAKEUP forum, for Christ's sake!! How loathsome a human being must I be to be thrown off a F*CKING MAKEUP FORUM?!" 
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| victims cry
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:21 pm |
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You see, we dont believe anything is to offensive to post unless it is illegal or something so far across the line that 98% would agree. But in general, we do NOT censor posts or thoughts or opinions. Trolls we dont put up with for long.
The fact that we might move some things to more appropriate forums (i.e they fit better there) on the board is not in anyway saying its bad.
Which is why some of my avatars have been risque and comments, and i wont change that 
I also wouldnt post some things in the NH discussion forum, but will in other forums on the board.
So bottom line, we expect people self mdoerate, and also understand the few lines we draw to make the board a great one.
Basically this board is where all can feel free to say what the think, and at times admin/mods move things when for good reasons (many that have to do with protecting posters identities for ex).
No one needs to worry because we make it clear when something is crossing the very few rules we have.
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| Sami
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:26 pm |
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Utah and justamom: I agree with both of you.
If it does not go against TOS at this more openly moderated board, then how should mods determine if a post is offensive?
If I complain about personal degradations heaped upon a living person day after day, would that be worthy of removal?
If someone complains about bare butts or bare breasts or gussied-up wangs, would that be worthy of removal?
Maybe the mods can explain what our priorities will be, so we posters can not cross the threshold of offending others' sensibilities.
But which others?
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| Warlock
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:29 pm |
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Given the subject matter of the Natalee case, and that this Board has been an intelligent place that has gained the respect of many people who read here for insight etc...why would Joy and VC permit the board to deterioate to a collection of dick and titty pics?
It's kind of bad that lately pages on end are nothing but arguing about philosophical points: what's offensive, what's not blah blah
It think a lot of important people read here because in the past this board was focusedon case discussion, factual information and good intelligent theories.
Is it in the best interest of the integrity and respect this Board enjoys to permit posting naked butts and simulated penises as avatars as well as penis joke pics?
In their proper context, I find them as funny as the next person. In the context of the Natalee Board, I find them inappropriate at the very least and a serious discredit to the legitimacy of the discussion about Natalee's case.
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| SMreject1977
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:32 pm |
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Is my avatar ok? is it too risque?
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| Maybelline
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:33 pm |
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Well, I've come to "know" VC and Joy enough now to vote to let them be the decision-makers. After all, it's their board and their reputation to protect.
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| victims cry
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:33 pm |
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| Sami wrote: | Utah and justamom: I agree with both of you.
If it does not go against TOS at this more openly moderated board, then how should mods determine if a post is offensive?
If I complain about personal degradations heaped upon a living person day after day, would that be worthy of removal?
If someone complains about bare butts or bare breasts or gussied-up wangs, would that be worthy of removal?
Maybe the mods can explain what our priorities will be, so we posters can not cross the threshold of offending others' sensibilities.
But which others? |
None of them have been removed.
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| ATA
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:33 pm |
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| Warlock wrote: | Given the subject matter of the Natalee case, and that this Board has been an intelligent place that has gained the respect of many people who read here for insight etc...why would Joy and VC permit the board to deterioate to a collection of dick and titty pics?
It's kind of bad that lately pages on end are nothing but arguing about philosophical points: what's offensive, what's not blah blah
It think a lot of important people read here because in the past this board was focusedon case discussion, factual information and good intelligent theories.
Is it in the best interest of the integrity and respect this Board enjoys to permit posting naked butts and simulated penises as avatars as well as penis joke pics?
In their proper context, I find them as funny as the next person. In the context of the Natalee Board, I find them inappropriate at the very least and a serious discredit to the legitimacy of the discussion about Natalee's case. |
Bravo!!!!!!
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| Katie
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:33 pm |
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| SMreject1977 wrote: | | Is my avatar ok? is it too risque? |
No bad it all but he's lacking where it actually counts
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| Sami
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:34 pm |
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| Mariposa wrote: | Dear Sami
I agree with you whole-heartedly in theory. And I'm glad you unloaded about it. You'll feel better. But I've been online for 20 years, and I've learned a LOT. You've got millions of people here, from millions of backgrounds, with millions of opinions, and millions of perspectives. Each looks at everything through glasses shaded by all of these things. And you know what? That's okay. You can't change the ones who post things in ways you (and most of us, trust me!) don't like. But you can change how you choose to think about them, and when you do that life gets a lot easier.
Happy, loving, accepting, generous people don't usually write offensive things because it's just not part of their nature. That doesn't mean that people who do are bad or wrong or totally screwed up. They have their opinions for real reasons. Think about what kind of reasons those might be, and then the posts are easier to overlook.
I used to work at the Kennedy Space Center. One day a couple of us were telling vile, horrible, disgusting "Challenger jokes", and we were "called" on it by another person. While not a good defense to some, I said, "You know there isn't one person here joking who hasn't cried over this tragedy many times. It's just our way of trying to heal." I think some of that goes on here as well.
I love and respect you for what you wrote here. And I always enjoy your posts. A lot of people do. The ones who count.
Theresa
PS
I know a woman who got thrown off a COSMETIC forum and I laugh every time I remember what she said to me: "It's a MAKEUP forum, for Christ's sake!! How loathsome a human being must I be to be thrown off a F*CKING MAKEUP FORUM?!" |
Thank you, Mariposa. I appreciate your kinds words from the bottom of my heart.
And I do understand how the woman felt -- I have objected for a long time about the offensive posts, at which I hurt for the very real human beings being degraded. When I was told it was accepted policy here, I decided: "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" -- And I did. . . .
What I posted was so against my character that it is laughable.
. . . . But it was NOT demeaning to a living human being -- it was parodying an avatar. And if someone were to post bare boobs on Sami's head, I promise I will not take personal offense at it -- just don't post MY real boobs.
My post was not against Wang personally -- it was a parody of his avatar and his posts of FEB's supposed humongous nose (his emphasis on huge, not mine).
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| Spuds
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:35 pm |
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| Warlock wrote: | Given the subject matter of the Natalee case, and that this Board has been an intelligent place that has gained the respect of many people who read here for insight etc...why would Joy and VC permit the board to deterioate to a collection of dick and titty pics?
It's kind of bad that lately pages on end are nothing but arguing about philosophical points: what's offensive, what's not blah blah
It think a lot of important people read here because in the past this board was focusedon case discussion, factual information and good intelligent theories.
Is it in the best interest of the integrity and respect this Board enjoys to permit posting naked butts and simulated penises as avatars as well as penis joke pics?
In their proper context, I find them as funny as the next person. In the context of the Natalee Board, I find them inappropriate at the very least and a serious discredit to the legitimacy of the discussion about Natalee's case. |
Ditto!!
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| Sami
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:37 pm |
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| Warlock wrote: | Given the subject matter of the Natalee case, and that this Board has been an intelligent place that has gained the respect of many people who read here for insight etc...why would Joy and VC permit the board to deterioate to a collection of dick and titty pics?
It's kind of bad that lately pages on end are nothing but arguing about philosophical points: what's offensive, what's not blah blah
It think a lot of important people read here because in the past this board was focusedon case discussion, factual information and good intelligent theories.
Is it in the best interest of the integrity and respect this Board enjoys to permit posting naked butts and simulated penises as avatars as well as penis joke pics?
In their proper context, I find them as funny as the next person. In the context of the Natalee Board, I find them inappropriate at the very least and a serious discredit to the legitimacy of the discussion about Natalee's case. |
Warlock: You got to the part about 'dick and tits' but you left out the part about 'fellatio, doucheing, and degrading young girls'.
What are your sensibilities about those kinds of post?
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| Sami
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:39 pm |
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| Spuds wrote: | | Warlock wrote: | Given the subject matter of the Natalee case, and that this Board has been an intelligent place that has gained the respect of many people who read here for insight etc...why would Joy and VC permit the board to deterioate to a collection of dick and titty pics?
It's kind of bad that lately pages on end are nothing but arguing about philosophical points: what's offensive, what's not blah blah
It think a lot of important people read here because in the past this board was focusedon case discussion, factual information and good intelligent theories.
Is it in the best interest of the integrity and respect this Board enjoys to permit posting naked butts and simulated penises as avatars as well as penis joke pics?
In their proper context, I find them as funny as the next person. In the context of the Natalee Board, I find them inappropriate at the very least and a serious discredit to the legitimacy of the discussion about Natalee's case. |
Ditto!! |
Same question to you, Spuds -- are you okay with the blow jobs jokes, especially against a young girl who is probably younger than your daughter, posted by an adult man old enough to be her father or grandfather?
Are you okay with that, but don't like to see butts, boobs, etc.?
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