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A Posters Impression of Boeti
A non aruban regular here wants to share this but doesnt feel comfortable posting it themself. So edited for who the poster is, here is what was shared with me regarding his/her impressions of boeti.
| Quote: | I met Boeti and the night watchman at Moomba's one night during the first week of last Nov. We were at the Marriott casino and my husband decided to go back to the Playa Linda *EDIT for personal info*. I stayed until about 3 AM and walked back via the beach. I've never been afraid while in Aruba, anywhere. Well, when I reached Moomba's, the night watchman and Boeti were inside, actually it is open air-like and I was walking through, just talking. Well they invited me to sit, and we talked. When I asked questions about NH, they looked at each other but didn't say much of anything. I did get the feeling that they both knew something but it was only my feeling and I figured that they’d been told not to discuss it. What I did get was that Boeti fishes. He had a catch there that night that he was quite proud of. My guess is that he lives on a (his?) boat that is moored at the dock by Moomba's. He was clean, didn't smell and was polite although not easy to understand when he spoke but I had the other guy as an interpreter. The night watchman is a family man, wife and kids, and his cat had had kittens and we talked about maybe me taking one home
Couple of nights later, my husband and I were walking back from the casino (again late/early!) and we met up with the 2 of them again. Boeti was polite, clean etc. Told the guy I couldn't take another kitten home.
We went back to Aruba over New Year's and stayed at the Marriott with friends. I went for a walk on the beach one morning and came upon a guy just coming off the dock. Clean clothes etc. I'm friendly so said Bon Dia. Guy says back and then said, I remember you, you talked to us at Moomba's before!! He then said, remember me? I'm Boeti! Didn't know his true significance then unfortunately.
Now, to me, someone who can remember talking to an old and fat tourist, after 2 months, can't be all that strung out to be unbelievable or unreliable. After 3 encounters with him, I tend to believe what he's saying. Also, I got the impression that they are both there almost every night since it's one guy’s job to watch the place after closing. If they were there that night and she did walk back to the HI, they, or at least one of them, would have to have seen her walking by, IMO! |
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Some will say this is merely anecdotal evidence, from a time far removed from the night Natalee disappeared. Boeti's "condition" in November, 2005 and January, 2006 are only remotely relevant to what condition he may have been in May 29/30, 2005.
This poster has no vested interest or reason to fabricate, in my opinion, so I accept what he/she says as truth.
On the other hand, Art Wood claims he talked to Boeti at least 5 times, and each time the guy was strung out or high on drugs. Art characterizes Boeti as "unbelievable".
Well, Art Wood is fully in the Twitty camp, so I have to ask myself whether his dismissal of Boeti is based on fact or based on a reluctance to accept that Boeti's information speaks to having sold drugs to the students and/or Natalee OR seen others (John and Jones) selling drugs to the MB students and/or Natalee.
It's a tough job assessing credibility .... 
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:49 am |
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| Heli wrote: | Some will say this is merely anecdotal evidence, from a time far removed from the night Natalee disappeared. Boeti's "condition" in November, 2005 and January, 2006 are only remotely relevant to what condition he may have been in May 29/30, 2005.
This poster has no vested interest or reason to fabricate, in my opinion, so I accept what he/she says as truth.
On the other hand, Art Wood claims he talked to Boeti at least 5 times, and each time the guy was strung out or high on drugs. Art characterizes Boeti as "unbelievable".
Well, Art Wood is fully in the Twitty camp, so I have to ask myself whether his dismissal of Boeti is based on fact or based on a reluctance to accept that Boeti's information speaks to having sold drugs to the students and/or Natalee OR seen others (John and Jones) selling drugs to the MB students and/or Natalee.
It's a tough job assessing credibility .... |
I agree Heli. The quotes I've seen that were attributed to Boeti were barely coherent. You'd think there would be someone who could interview the guy who would be impartial. So far I don't think I've seen an impartial opinion of him. This presents a totally opposing view of the guy. No kidding it's a tough job assessing credibility.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:57 am |
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Wow. Thanks VC. The fact that she saw him 3 times, always in the same area, and he REMEMBERED HER, is very telling. If Natalee's room was next to Moomba's, I have no doubt that these guys knew what was going on in that room. If Natalee even walked by them, you'd think he would remember her because here's this pretty girl, alone by herself at such a late hour.
What if Natalee and Joran were dropped off at the beach, and what if they walked back to her hotel room, Joran stayed outside and Natalee went into her room to either drop off her purse/cell phone/money (or try to find a condom)....1:26am card swipe. At this time, she tells her friends that she is going for a walk with that guy she met at the Casino and danced with at C&C's. They walked back down to the fishermen's huts to fool around, and then Joran left and Natalee walked back to the HI, hung out at Moomba's and then went to her room (to get money for the drugs) 3:20am swipe, and then brought back the drugs (3:34m swipe), and then left again with the known drug dealer never to be seen again.
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| Heli wrote: | Some will say this is merely anecdotal evidence, from a time far removed from the night Natalee disappeared. Boeti's "condition" in November, 2005 and January, 2006 are only remotely relevant to what condition he may have been in May 29/30, 2005.
This poster has no vested interest or reason to fabricate, in my opinion, so I accept what he/she says as truth.
On the other hand, Art Wood claims he talked to Boeti at least 5 times, and each time the guy was strung out or high on drugs. Art characterizes Boeti as "unbelievable".
Well, Art Wood is fully in the Twitty camp, so I have to ask myself whether his dismissal of Boeti is based on fact or based on a reluctance to accept that Boeti's information speaks to having sold drugs to the students and/or Natalee OR seen others (John and Jones) selling drugs to the MB students and/or Natalee.
It's a tough job assessing credibility .... |
Everything Art Wood said was also anecdotal. In weighing the credibilty of the sources (and I'm not talking about Boeti's credibility; I'm talking about Wood's credibility vis a vis the member that sent that report to VC) you look at things like motives for making their statements. Wood is firmly part of HMI and HMI is in full tilt spin mode to discredit Boeti. Our anonymous source has no agenda, so far as I can tell. I'll believe our source's account of Boeti over Wood's every day of the week.
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Heli, I totally agree with what you said. I believe this person and am glad that her statement was printed here. It gives you a better perspective of what it is like there and it seems very unlikely to me that Natalee would have walked by the beach bar without being seen.
Where I live, on an island also, there are lots of druggies around. These people can be very sober at times but they also are always looking for ways and means to get drugs and money to buy them. Boeti probably is a typical long time drug addict. He certainly should be listened to and the info checked out. You can't just dismiss him and what he says he knows.
I don't know how Beth can be 100% sure that he did not speak to Natalee or know any of the other MB kids. She really can't. She was not there.
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I don't believe a single word that comes out of the Holloway or Twitty camp. They are known for fabricating evidence and putting out gross MISinformation. But, it's a sad day when I'll believe an anonymous poster over them. Just shows how disgusting the Holloway/Twit camp is, at least that's how I see them..
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Re: A Posters Impression of Boeti
| victims cry wrote: | A non aruban regular here wants to share this but doesnt feel comfortable posting it themself. So edited for who the poster is, here is what was shared with me regarding his/her impressions of boeti.
| Quote: | I met Boeti and the night watchman at Moomba's one night during the first week of last Nov. We were at the Marriott casino and my husband decided to go back to the Playa Linda *EDIT for personal info*. I stayed until about 3 AM and walked back via the beach. I've never been afraid while in Aruba, anywhere. Well, when I reached Moomba's, the night watchman and Boeti were inside, actually it is open air-like and I was walking through, just talking. Well they invited me to sit, and we talked. When I asked questions about NH, they looked at each other but didn't say much of anything. I did get the feeling that they both knew something but it was only my feeling and I figured that they’d been told not to discuss it. What I did get was that Boeti fishes. He had a catch there that night that he was quite proud of. My guess is that he lives on a (his?) boat that is moored at the dock by Moomba's. He was clean, didn't smell and was polite although not easy to understand when he spoke but I had the other guy as an interpreter. The night watchman is a family man, wife and kids, and his cat had had kittens and we talked about maybe me taking one home
Couple of nights later, my husband and I were walking back from the casino (again late/early!) and we met up with the 2 of them again. Boeti was polite, clean etc. Told the guy I couldn't take another kitten home.
We went back to Aruba over New Year's and stayed at the Marriott with friends. I went for a walk on the beach one morning and came upon a guy just coming off the dock. Clean clothes etc. I'm friendly so said Bon Dia. Guy says back and then said, I remember you, you talked to us at Moomba's before!! He then said, remember me? I'm Boeti! Didn't know his true significance then unfortunately.
Now, to me, someone who can remember talking to an old and fat tourist, after 2 months, can't be all that strung out to be unbelievable or unreliable. After 3 encounters with him, I tend to believe what he's saying. Also, I got the impression that they are both there almost every night since it's one guy’s job to watch the place after closing. If they were there that night and she did walk back to the HI, they, or at least one of them, would have to have seen her walking by, IMO! | |
I wish the poster would come out and post this information herself. I think it is pertinent to this investigation. The fact that the other guy acted as a interpreter for some of Boeti's remarks is the impression that I have, that Boeti is not as fluent in English as many of the islanders are and this is one reason his remarks are not as coherent as we would like.
Anyway, maybe the poster could send this information to Joe T. Harry Tho over at hyscience has completely discounted Boeti's story because he decided Boeti is a flake. This poster makes some very good points about Boeti, but without posting this information under her poster handle, it will be discounted.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:17 am |
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According to Joe T he's now got possibly the whole file on the case via Carlo petitioned under the v.d.Sloot lawsuit or some other mechanism. Does that mean B.Twitty or her pet JQK also have it either via their original Aruban lawyer when she applied for B.Twitty to be pary to the case earlier on. Or does she only have "some" of the files. In other words does Joe T know more about the case than she ever has which is why we are hearing all these juicey snippets and only a handful of drivel drips from her over the past 11 months. Are they on the backfoot now as Joe T know everything officially on record there is to know and she is still flapping away in the wind with her sticky-taped crumpled carbon paper refuse scraps Jossy retrieved from the dumpsters.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:24 am |
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| .heft wrote: | | According to Joe T he's now got possibly the whole file on the case via Carlo petitioned under the v.d.Sloot lawsuit or some other mechanism. Does that mean B.Twitty or her pet JQK also have it either via their original Aruban lawyer when she applied for B.Twitty to be pary to the case earlier on. Or does she only have "some" of the files. In other words does Joe T know more about the case than she ever has which is why we are hearing all these juicey snippets and only a handful of drivel drips from her over the past 11 months. Are they on the backfoot now as Joe T know everything officially on record there is to know and she is still flapping away in the wind with her sticky-taped crumpled carbon paper refuse scraps Jossy retrieved from the dumpsters. |
I somehow doubt that the parents of the missing person are entitled to the Prosecutor's entire dossier. In fact, we've been told since the beginning that in Dutch Law there is virtually NO information given to the public until the case is completed.
Joe Tacopina would have entitlement, albeit indirectly, by virtue of the fact he represents Joran and Paul van der Sloot in the american civil suit.
I don't think the Aruban Court would see Tacopina as being entitled but it may well be that Tacopina was instrumental in having Antonio Carlo further petition the Court and make arguments for the complete handover of the Prosecutor's dossier on the case.
Once Carlo obtained the dossier, I'm sure he's free to share it with whoever he sees fit.
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Give JQK time to have them translated. They are, after all, in official legal jargon. By looking at the papers filed to allow his the assault on Joran at the Airport, I'm sure they will not understand, unless it's written in comic book form.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:28 am |
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The Woman is Such A Liar
She went through the digital camera the day she got there and erased many sensitive pictures. Furthermore, what was it the next day, the Hootie posters went up and appeared in Aruba Today, the picture from the grad and pulled from her digital camera. And here claiming she couldn't bare to look at them until 3 weeks later.
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Missing Girl's Mother Discovers New Photos
UPDATED: June 20, 2005
PALM BEACH, Aruba -- The mother of a girl who vanished while on her senior vacation in Aruba has discovered new pictures of her.
As she went through the things Natalee Holloway left in her hotel room, Beth Twitty said she discovered her daughter's digital camera.
The camera contained pictures documenting some of Holloway's most memorable moments right before she disappeared.
Twitty said some of the pictures were of 18-year-old Holloway's senior prom.
Other pictures were take on the day she graduated.
Twitty said it took her nearly three weeks to find the strength to finally look at the photos.
"I couldn't have looked at them even a week ago," she said. "I couldn't have looked at them ... maybe four days ago."
She said the pictures are helping to give her hope that she may yet find Holloway.
"I know it just gives me more perseverance to just keep going," she said. "I know that I have to find an answer for Natalee."
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"I love you and miss you and want you to come home with us Hootie "
Does it take a rocket scientist to assess what those words mean, what they allude to?
I think the intent of those words is as plain as the nose on Natalee's face. 
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| jmo wrote: | | I don't believe a single word that comes out of the Holloway or Twitty camp. They are known for fabricating evidence and putting out gross MISinformation. But, it's a sad day when I'll believe an anonymous poster over them. Just shows how disgusting the Holloway/Twit camp is, at least that's how I see them.. |
Why does the Twitty Spin Machine, and their assorted water boys, always seem to embrace sources that buttress their skewed and foul view of things? Could those assholes be any more transparent? 
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The only thought I had about the post is the fact that the poster relied on the night watchman to translate what Boeti was saying. Perhaps that is the crux of the matter. If you cannot be understood it is very easy to boil you down to "crazy". This is a subtle form of prejudice.
Also, in thinking about this, nowhere does Joe T state that this is HIS witness. He says he has a witness but I don't recall that he said boeti was the witness.
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First, I want to thank the poster that sent VC that information. I think you are right, an addict that is high 24/7 and can't be considered credible would not have remembered a tourist several months later. I'm so glad you shared this with us.
We have heard that the kids partied at the Moomba Bar that night after CnC's. From what was shown on MSNBC last night and from this poster's account, this is the area in which Boeti regularly stays. How could he not see her for the time she was there and how could he not know where her room was if Natalee used the slider very often at all? How can anyone, especially her mother, discount him entirely? The only reason I can think of is because he has knowledge of things the MB kids, including her daughter, did while in Aruba that might harm Natalee's "established reputation" or that of the "top notch" MB students. Amazing.
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| hope wrote: | First, I want to thank the poster that sent VC that information. I think you are right, an addict that is high 24/7 and can't be considered credible would not have remembered a tourist several months later. I'm so glad you shared this with us.
We have heard that the kids partied at the Moomba Bar that night after CnC's. From what was shown on MSNBC last night and from this poster's account, this is the area in which Boeti regularly stays. How could he not see her for the time she was there and how could he not know where her room was if Natalee used the slider very often at all? How can anyone, especially her mother, discount him entirely? The only reason I can think of is because he has knowledge of things the MB kids, including her daughter, did while in Aruba that might harm Natalee's "established reputation" or that of the "top notch" MB students. Amazing. |
Anyone can say what they want about this man, I can tell you for a fact that he has an amazing memory for detail.
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| Glenda wrote: | | hope wrote: | First, I want to thank the poster that sent VC that information. I think you are right, an addict that is high 24/7 and can't be considered credible would not have remembered a tourist several months later. I'm so glad you shared this with us.
We have heard that the kids partied at the Moomba Bar that night after CnC's. From what was shown on MSNBC last night and from this poster's account, this is the area in which Boeti regularly stays. How could he not see her for the time she was there and how could he not know where her room was if Natalee used the slider very often at all? How can anyone, especially her mother, discount him entirely? The only reason I can think of is because he has knowledge of things the MB kids, including her daughter, did while in Aruba that might harm Natalee's "established reputation" or that of the "top notch" MB students. Amazing. |
Anyone can say what they want about this man, I can tell you for a fact that he has an amazing memory for detail. |
Thank you, Glenda. To hear Beth, Art, Dave, and MSM tell it, he's a crackhead who is high all the time and can't be credible enough to tell you his own name. Doesn't sound that way to me.
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| Glenda wrote: | | hope wrote: | First, I want to thank the poster that sent VC that information. I think you are right, an addict that is high 24/7 and can't be considered credible would not have remembered a tourist several months later. I'm so glad you shared this with us.
We have heard that the kids partied at the Moomba Bar that night after CnC's. From what was shown on MSNBC last night and from this poster's account, this is the area in which Boeti regularly stays. How could he not see her for the time she was there and how could he not know where her room was if Natalee used the slider very often at all? How can anyone, especially her mother, discount him entirely? The only reason I can think of is because he has knowledge of things the MB kids, including her daughter, did while in Aruba that might harm Natalee's "established reputation" or that of the "top notch" MB students. Amazing. |
Anyone can say what they want about this man, I can tell you for a fact that he has an amazing memory for detail. |
Thanks Glenda, that put together with this posters account makes me even more curious.
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Well I guess if she feels that Boeti is too high to be credible, then what does she think about the high MB women and men?
Thanks Glenda, your statement makes me realize more how much the families do not want to get near the truth. I know Dave said that he talked to him a few times, but what could it hurt to give him some money and talk to him again? Maybe he's finally ready and feels safe telling what he knows. Imagine if he was holding back on the location of Natalee's body until the reward money was confirmed? Well we know at least Robin reads this board, maybe she should show him the original poster's story and Glenda's comment.
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This is a great thread and I want to thank VC, the unknown poster, and Glenda for the information. I take it that part of the problem, outside of the HMI spin and agenda, is that Boeti's English is not the best.
Perhaps the unknown poster can email Joe T. with her info.
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| paprikash wrote: | This is a great thread and I want to thank VC, the unknown poster, and Glenda for the information. I take it that part of the problem, outside of the HMI spin and agenda, is that Boeti's English is not the best.
Perhaps the unknown poster can email Joe T. with her info. |
We have an Information for Joe T sticky now, paprikash, if you think it might be of interest to him, copy and paste the original post to it. He can always contact us if he needs more information on anything in it then.
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I'm not in a camp, but Twitty and HMI lack credibility. As for anonymous sources, I like the Woodward / Bernstein approach, that unless the fact can be verified from two independent credible sources, don't rely on it. This message board is not a news organization, and journalistic and legal standards are not as rigid. So-called news organizations like Fox have been "reporting" unsubstantiated rumor and speculation throughout the entire case.
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| hope wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | hope wrote: | First, I want to thank the poster that sent VC that information. I think you are right, an addict that is high 24/7 and can't be considered credible would not have remembered a tourist several months later. I'm so glad you shared this with us.
We have heard that the kids partied at the Moomba Bar that night after CnC's. From what was shown on MSNBC last night and from this poster's account, this is the area in which Boeti regularly stays. How could he not see her for the time she was there and how could he not know where her room was if Natalee used the slider very often at all? How can anyone, especially her mother, discount him entirely? The only reason I can think of is because he has knowledge of things the MB kids, including her daughter, did while in Aruba that might harm Natalee's "established reputation" or that of the "top notch" MB students. Amazing. |
Anyone can say what they want about this man, I can tell you for a fact that he has an amazing memory for detail. |
Thank you, Glenda. To hear Beth, Art, Dave, and MSM tell it, he's a crackhead who is high all the time and can't be credible enough to tell you his own name. Doesn't sound that way to me. |
There is a difference between a "crack head" and a smooth operator that lives off his quality cocaine dealership while relaxing between deals in his near by boat! Yes, the HMI spin would like us to believe that this guy is a "crack addict"! Many career dealers do not even use drugs, and those that do are pretty sophisticated. They use without too much consequence, mostly enjoyment, and they have a keen awareness of their surroundings in order to continue their lifestyle. I'm sure Boeti is a very charming "character", and Dave & Art simply did not appreciate is talents and interests! 
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| Isanah wrote: | | hope wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | hope wrote: | First, I want to thank the poster that sent VC that information. I think you are right, an addict that is high 24/7 and can't be considered credible would not have remembered a tourist several months later. I'm so glad you shared this with us.
We have heard that the kids partied at the Moomba Bar that night after CnC's. From what was shown on MSNBC last night and from this poster's account, this is the area in which Boeti regularly stays. How could he not see her for the time she was there and how could he not know where her room was if Natalee used the slider very often at all? How can anyone, especially her mother, discount him entirely? The only reason I can think of is because he has knowledge of things the MB kids, including her daughter, did while in Aruba that might harm Natalee's "established reputation" or that of the "top notch" MB students. Amazing. |
Anyone can say what they want about this man, I can tell you for a fact that he has an amazing memory for detail. |
Thank you, Glenda. To hear Beth, Art, Dave, and MSM tell it, he's a crackhead who is high all the time and can't be credible enough to tell you his own name. Doesn't sound that way to me. |
There is a difference between a "crack head" and a smooth operator that lives off his quality cocaine dealership while relaxing between deals in his near by boat! Yes, the HMI spin would like us to believe that this guy is a "crack addict"! Many career dealers do not even use drugs, and those that do are pretty sophisticated. They use without too much consequence, mostly enjoyment, and they have a keen awareness of their surroundings in order to continue their lifestyle. I'm sure Boeti is a very charming "character", and Dave & Art simply did not appreciate is talents and interests! |
No place for beginners or sensitive hearts
When sentiment is left to chance
No place to be ending but somewhere to start
No need to ask
He's a smooth operator
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