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Fu-Gee-La
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Ward suggested pond draining.
T.J. WARD, P.I. FOR HOLLOWAY TWITTY FAMILY: Well, one of the things that I figure that the witness that I found saw the car that was used in the disappearance and on the 28th, 29th and 30th. And it just seemed a little strange to me that a week later the same car shows up three or four times in the same area around that pond.
Those boys were there looking for something. And there's a good possibility that the body could be buried, because there was very, very little water in there around the 29th and 30th of May, and shortly before the storm hit and the hurricane, that's what caused all the water to be there.
And it's very soft and very easy to dig and put somebody underground there. But like Dr. Henry Lee says, it would be very, very good if the body is there, that it would be preserved by the ground itself if it is underground.
KING: When you were there, did you suggest doing this?
WARD: Well, I had brought to the attention, when I found the second witness, I took all the information after taking a statement and turned that statement over to the Aruban authorities and the FBI. And I think this prompted the lake to be drained and hopefully we'll find some answers.
It's really also strange that the whole investigation has been surrounded by the beach at the Marriott, which is directly across the street from where this pond is. And taking the time from 1:30 to 2:30 there is a very remote possibility we may be on the right page in the right area of what's going on.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/27/lkl.01.html
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| . wrote: | http://www.hooters.com/view_image.asp?image=menu_pg1.jpg
Can I have a "gardener" on the side to go please.
Hooters; Hootie ; Big Hootie; Small Hootie : please call Boetie we're all at Hooters.
I'll have a Jug of this and a Jar of that.
Who wrote this hilarious script anyway. |
well Hooter 's does make a My-T-fine Key Lime Pie
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:57 pm |
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| sunmoonstars wrote: | | According to SM, this gardener statement is part one of five. |
Oh boy! TY. 
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| sandraK
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:59 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | sunmoonstars wrote: | | According to SM, this gardener statement is part one of five. |
Oh boy! TY. |
PAT, we going need a Beer RUN!!!
I got 
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| SavannahStar
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:00 pm |
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I'm waiting to see the complete letter that Janssen wrote to the U.S. Justice Dept. in Oct. Think that will be "leaked"? Remember Greta read part of it on her show that one night. Janssen said there was no evidence a crime had been committed, and she wanted to see all Beth's phone records, Natalee's yearbook, and some other stuff.
I've always been really curious about the full content of that letter...would love to see it.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:17 pm |
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| sandraK wrote: | | resigned wrote: | | sunmoonstars wrote: | | According to SM, this gardener statement is part one of five. |
Oh boy! TY. |
PAT, we going need a Beer RUN!!!
I got |
I'll pull the truck around. This may take awhile.
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| SavannahStar
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:19 pm |
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Wow is that cool or what??? Pathenry beer.
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| Fiery
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:20 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | Wow is that cool or what??? Pathenry beer. |
not cool....how does it taste? be truthful pat? lol
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| Hog' Breath
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:20 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | Wow is that cool or what??? Pathenry beer. |
I think that would be kewl.
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| sandraK
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:25 pm |
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Lets" roll PAT!
**you do have Gas $$***
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| spngbobthebldr
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:28 pm |
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| all10suspects wrote: | | . wrote: | What a joke. Cannot wait for the movie. A comedic blockbuster
By mid-July, with Joran still languishing in the San Nicolas jail, undergoing daily questioning by Aruban, Dutch, and F.B.I. officials, a motley crowd of television producers, search teams, private eyes, and beach bums each determined to solve the case. One was Arthur Wood, a retired Secret Service agent who lives outside Ocala, Florida, and who spent his evenings glued to the Holloway coverage. In mid-June, Wood e-mailed some thoughts to Jossy Mansur, managing editor of the Aruban newspaper El Diario, who had latched onto the Twitty bandwagon as part of his own feud with the Aruban government. Eager to develop leads, Mansur invited Wood to Aruba, and put him on his payroll.
Wood began chatting up photographers, stringers, and reporters. The most intriguing lead, he decided, was a rumor that one of the Kalpoe brothers had confessed to killing Natalee—sort of—to a fellow prisoner while in the Aruban jail. The prisoner had heard that a relative's gardener, named Cumpa, had seen Joran and the Kalpoes burying Natalee's body in a vacant lot near the Marriott. When the Kalpoe brother was told the story, he supposedly went ashen and flipped over the dominoes they were playing with. Wood spent most of July tracking the elusive Cumpa. There were stories that he had fled to Venezuela, that he had disappeared, that he might have been killed.
The Mansur "investigative team," including Wood, Eduardo Mansur, and other Mansur employees and family friends, began holding nightly strategy sessions at the team's de facto headquarters: Hooters. One night they were inside poring over rumors when a Mansur cousin's teenage son suddenly blurted out, "I know Cumpa! He's my uncle's gardener!"
The boy hopped in Eduardo Mansur's truck and led Wood to a large seaside home owned by Jossy Mansur's cousin Eric Mansur, a wealthy importer. Wood found Cumpa, whose name turned out to be Carlos, in the yard. "He tells me that on that night, May 30, he couldn't sleep," Wood recalls. "It was 2:30 and it was so hot—he didn't have air-conditioning—he said, 'I got up, I told my wife I'm going to my boss's house,'" which was air-conditioned.
According to Carlos, while driving to Eric Mansur's home a little before three that morning, he took a shortcut, a dirt road through a vacant lot beside the Marriott. To his surprise, he found a car blocking the road. Beside the car were two large mounds of dirt. When he peered into the car, Carlos said, he recognized Joran and the Kalpoes. He said they covered their faces. He then drove on.
Carlos reluctantly climbed into Wood's truck and allowed himself to be driven to police headquarters. He disappeared inside for four hours.
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So is this true? Or is this another Mansur's story? |
Considering the sources.....Jossy and Art Woods???? Not a snowballs chance in hell of it being real.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:29 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | Wow is that cool or what??? Pathenry beer. |
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:32 pm |
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CancunMole wrote:
| Quote: | There is info about both the "witness" and the "Colombian" in the Something Big might be up (MF-FOB) thread starting on page 6.
http://tinyurl.com/pt2nz |
Proofreader wrote-
Proofreader wrote:
| Quote: | I should go back and clarify that. SandraK never said the guy's name - just posted an emoticon of a guy parasailing. This is the post where the guy's name was mentioned: (hope I do this right - I've never posted a copy of a previous post)
CancunMole Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:09 pm
pathenry wrote:
sandraK wrote:
Give Dutchie A Big Hit O" Columbian
and I am NOT Talkin" Coffee.
Is this Carlos from the Ayo area......formerly of Madiki?
Found this on FOB:
Boy Posted: Sun May 21st, 2006 03:40 pm
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Yep I know it for sure now. Guido Wever who use to work at the Excelcior Casino as "dealer", who use to play tennis at the Aruba Raquet club, and who is the son of a political party's leader (Allianca???) was detained in the Netherlands. A Colombian man by the name of Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos was detained in Aruba.
http://tinyurl.com/jw38o
then googled and found this:
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ARUBAN TOUR OPERATORS RECEIVE TOP HONORS FROM PRINCESS CRUISES
The magnificent Dawn Princess cruise ship awarded two of Aruba’s finest Tour Operators top honors in a ceremony held on board. Both operators received the greatest amount of customer compliments during the busy high-season of 2001/2002. Aruba’s De Palm Tours was recognized for “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “4-Wheel Drive Safari, ” and Peclican Watersports Adventures earned “Shore Excursion of the Season” in the class of “Catamaran Snorkel & Beach Cruise.” On hand to receive the awards Ezmeralda Schotman, Ivan Gordijk and Loinel Henriquez for De Palm Tours, Michel Profet, Carlos Ramos and Augusto Montbrun for Pelican Watersports Adventures.
http://tinyurl.com/kxbl2
Same person or not? Don't know. |
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=2757
I think he works for the surf shop. Can't imagine too many Carlos Ramos' on the island...
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| JD
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:24 pm |
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| sunmoonstars wrote: | | According to SM, this gardener statement is part one of five. |
Thanks. I suspected there must be more to the story.
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| JD
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:29 pm |
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Re: Ward suggested pond draining.
| Fu-Gee-La wrote: | T.J. WARD, P.I. FOR HOLLOWAY TWITTY FAMILY: Well, one of the things that I figure that the witness that I found saw the car that was used in the disappearance and on the 28th, 29th and 30th. And it just seemed a little strange to me that a week later the same car shows up three or four times in the same area around that pond.
Those boys were there looking for something. And there's a good possibility that the body could be buried, because there was very, very little water in there around the 29th and 30th of May, and shortly before the storm hit and the hurricane, that's what caused all the water to be there.
And it's very soft and very easy to dig and put somebody underground there. But like Dr. Henry Lee says, it would be very, very good if the body is there, that it would be preserved by the ground itself if it is underground.
KING: When you were there, did you suggest doing this?
WARD: Well, I had brought to the attention, when I found the second witness, I took all the information after taking a statement and turned that statement over to the Aruban authorities and the FBI. And I think this prompted the lake to be drained and hopefully we'll find some answers.
It's really also strange that the whole investigation has been surrounded by the beach at the Marriott, which is directly across the street from where this pond is. And taking the time from 1:30 to 2:30 there is a very remote possibility we may be on the right page in the right area of what's going on.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/27/lkl.01.html |
Werent they looking for a lost shoe in the pond also? I think I remember hearing that way early on, before I had any idea what the significance was.
It also begs the question, why didnt they finish draining the pond? That never made sense. They spent a week draining it and then quit while there was still a lot of standing water, before the bottom could be dredged.
BTW, the draining of the pond I think is what got me hooked on this case. I thought for sure they were going to find Natalee in that exercise so I watched every day, thinking that would be the day. After that I just had to check daily for updates
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:32 pm |
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I'm confused. (don't say it!!) Is the gardner witness Carlos the same Carlos that was detained for several months, mostly unbeknownst to the public? Please just a straight answer.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:33 pm |
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Re: Ward suggested pond draining.
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It also begs the question, why didnt they finish draining the pond? That never made sense. They spent a week draining it and then quit while there was still a lot of standing water, before the bottom could be dredged.
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Because, IIRC, the pond was supplied by the tidal action of the ocean and would have been impossible to fully drain without building a cofferdam. Natalee didn't run away to the VDS' cesspool, she didn't run away to that pond either. 
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| Hog' Breath
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:34 pm |
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| JD wrote: | | I'm confused. (don't say it!!) Is the gardner witness Carlos the same Carlos that was detained for several months, mostly unbeknownst to the public? Please just a straight answer. |
From what I understand, it was stated on a radio station in Holland that he was arrested at the same time that Guido was.
This is also when the press went on lock-down in Aruba.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:43 pm |
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| Hog' Breath wrote: | | JD wrote: | | I'm confused. (don't say it!!) Is the gardner witness Carlos the same Carlos that was detained for several months, mostly unbeknownst to the public? Please just a straight answer. |
From what I understand, it was stated on a radio station in Holland that he was arrested at the same time that Guido was.
This is also when the press went on lock-down in Aruba. |
now my Fine Key west bar Buddy, not to be confused with Condom Carlos, .the Venezuelan
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| Hog' Breath
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 7:54 pm |
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| sandraK wrote: | | Hog' Breath wrote: | | JD wrote: | | I'm confused. (don't say it!!) Is the gardner witness Carlos the same Carlos that was detained for several months, mostly unbeknownst to the public? Please just a straight answer. |
From what I understand, it was stated on a radio station in Holland that he was arrested at the same time that Guido was.
This is also when the press went on lock-down in Aruba. |
now my Fine Key west bar Buddy, not to be confused with Condom Carlos, .the Venezuelan
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No confusion, Sandra.
I remember it being stated here that it was reported on the radio. Of course, nothing was ever written about it again.'
Where are those crack reporters at, anyhow?>
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