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WangChung
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Spencer Bachus - Vomiting in silence?
What did Spencer Bachus learn in those closed door Washington meetings that caused him to start dancing to a different techno beat? Prior to going in to the meetings, Spencer was full of pomp and circumstances about how he was going to make the Aruban delegation toe the line. Coming out of the meetings, Spencer looked as if he had just had a corn cob shoved up his ass. It was at this point that he all but demanded that the MB students start cooperating with the FBI. He also alluded to circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee that The Family was aware of but hadn't been totally honest about. What's up with that? What does The Family know that they aren't telling? Has The Family been lying - again?
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Re: Spencer Bachus - Vomiting in silence?
| WangChung wrote: | | What did Spencer Bachus learn in those closed door Washington meetings that caused him to start dancing to a different techno beat? Prior to going in to the meetings, Spencer was full of pomp and circumstances about how he was going to make the Aruban delegation toe the line. Coming out of the meetings, Spencer looked as if he had just had a corn cob shoved up his ass. It was at this point that he all but demanded that the MB students start cooperating with the FBI. He also alluded to circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee that The Family was aware of but hadn't been totally honest about. What's up with that? What does The Family know that they aren't telling? Has The Family been lying - again? |
I think you're morphing two bachus statements into one. You're also spinning it to absurdity.
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Re: Spencer Bachus - Vomiting in silence?
| JD wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | What did Spencer Bachus learn in those closed door Washington meetings that caused him to start dancing to a different techno beat? Prior to going in to the meetings, Spencer was full of pomp and circumstances about how he was going to make the Aruban delegation toe the line. Coming out of the meetings, Spencer looked as if he had just had a corn cob shoved up his ass. It was at this point that he all but demanded that the MB students start cooperating with the FBI. He also alluded to circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee that The Family was aware of but hadn't been totally honest about. What's up with that? What does The Family know that they aren't telling? Has The Family been lying - again? |
I think you're morphing two bachus statements into one. You're also spinning it to absurdity. |
I'll tell you what, ViVi, find Spencer's quotes and come back here and explain what he was saying. TIA!
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Re: Spencer Bachus - Vomiting in silence?
| WangChung wrote: | | JD wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | What did Spencer Bachus learn in those closed door Washington meetings that caused him to start dancing to a different techno beat? Prior to going in to the meetings, Spencer was full of pomp and circumstances about how he was going to make the Aruban delegation toe the line. Coming out of the meetings, Spencer looked as if he had just had a corn cob shoved up his ass. It was at this point that he all but demanded that the MB students start cooperating with the FBI. He also alluded to circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee that The Family was aware of but hadn't been totally honest about. What's up with that? What does The Family know that they aren't telling? Has The Family been lying - again? |
I think you're morphing two bachus statements into one. You're also spinning it to absurdity. |
I'll tell you what, ViVi, find Spencer's quotes and come back here and explain what he was saying. TIA!  |
Nah, let's just spin it however we feel like.
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Rep Spencer Bachus Press Conference
December 16, 2005
Transcribed July 12, 2006
From Videotape on http://www.nbc13.com/news/5557280/detail.html
VERBATIM AND COMPLETE
Bachus:
" .... I was trying to analyze what had gone on in Aruba in the investigation. (inaudible) Owens is the District Attorney in the County to the South He and I have prosecuted cases together, when I was in private practice, when I was with the Attorney General's Office and also when I went into private practice and he and I tried several cases where he was the DA and I was the defense attorney. He later became District Attorney of Shelby County and I think (inaudible) has a population of what about 200,000 or 175,000
Most of these gentlemen have tried numerous murder cases, prosecuted and investigated numerous murder cases, disappearance cases, kidnapping cases some of which have been actually publicized in national publications.
At my request, and let me go back and tell you my involvement in the Natalee Holloway case The day that Natalee or the day or the day after Natalee missed her flight, the Holloway family contacted me as their congressman and asked if I would help them in the search for Natalee. I immediately asked if the FBI was involved and I don't remember at this late date whether they asked me to talk to the FBI or whether I suggested the FBI to them, but I did call our american representative in Aruba and talked personally with him. I found out that the procedure would be for the aruban government to request the help of the FBI. I immediately placed that call, talked to two members of the aruban government and within probably six (6) hours, and I think there have been varying reports in the news media, but within six (6) hours there was a formal request from the aruban government to involve, at least within six (6) hours I had information and confirmation that the aruban government had requested the participation of the FBI. That was reported in the Birmingham News and (inaudible)
I have avoided appearing on tv shows, I have had several requests, several of y'all in this room have called me, my primary reason is, I am not a spokesman for the Holloway family, they are my constituents. I think they have done an admirable job speaking for themselves and representing the Holloway case and their daughter. We all know about their efforts and I've not tried to substitute for them.
As we approach Christmas, one thing I think about this case is it's got to be a time of tremendous hardship for the family because Natalee won't be there for Christmas and I can't imagine, I've never lost a child but I think we all know, particularly as you grow older, you really begin, if you have children, I think your greatest fear in life is losing your child and that fear for the Holloway family came true. So I salute them and I also salute the news media for the focus on this case .
I, in listening to the news media and talking with the family, and talking to the (inaudible) I have actually since this case started and about on a monthly basis, I have called and talked to the Prime Minister, I have talked to the police investigators, I have talked to Mr. Richardson, I've talked to Dompig. I've not gone on tv or in the press and shared the details of those conversations because I felt like if I did that, I would be neutralized as a party that could talk with them without fear of then turning around and talking to the press although I'm not condemning or commending those people who did it. That was just the role I have chosen to take.
I am as frustrated as I think all americans are (tape break) where she is and what's happened to her (tape break) approximately a month and half (tape break)
There have been people who have said Is this effort by the arubans simply an effort to mitigate the boycott or the bad publicity. I can't answer that, other than to say that they did not suggest this to me. This was my suggestion to them, that I would like them to come to the United States and meet with both State and Federal officials . I've also heard from time to time that the FBI is involved, they're in Aruba. On one or two occasions I had confirmation that six (6) agents were on the ground in Aruba. I've heard from time to time that the Arubans and the FBI were co-operating, weren't co-operating. I mainly heard that on tv. The FBI policy is mainly not to comment to me in an official nature, but I have asked them if the arubans are not co-operating with you, if they're (inaudible) you ethically, please let me know and they have never adivsed me of a lack of co-operation. I've seen those on the news media and I've simply not the person to say that those reports are or are not true .
What will be taking place today, in fact as we meet is, there were two things in my discussion with the arubans which I asked them and they asked me. I asked them to come to Washington to meet with State and Federal officials. They in fact told me that they had two (2) requests of me. One (1) was that I try to facilitate greater co-operation between them and the State Department and the FBI in that they had made requests of the State Department and the FBI in connection with interviewing witnesses here in this country.
I was actually disappointed that there had been delays in facilitating interviews that they had requested and as we speak today the aruban delegation is meeting with very high level officials at the FBI . They're meeting with Chris Gregorski who is the Acting Chief of the Violent Crime Section . They're also meeting with Chip Burris the Deputy Assistanat Director of the Criminal Investigation Division. So those are two officials, and there'll be others in those meetings, but those are two top officials at the FBI and I felt it necessary for the FBI and the arubans to sit down face to face and communicate and I am hopeful that if there's progress to be made in the case and progress might depend even marginally on co-operation between those two agencies, that that will happen.
I'm not going to make any statement about that meeting other than that. I think the FBI or the aruban government at the conclusion of those meetings can tell you more about their agenda, what their discussions will be. As I said, my concern was to (inaudible) a heightened communication between the two agencies.
Specifically with respect to some press inquiries, let me tell you the two people that we met with today that I felt were key to us getting an understanding of where the case was today and I say that and I'll tell you that the two gentlemen behind me and the federal agencies have all stressed one thing to me and I wrote it down when it was said to me four or five times by federal agents, by gentlemen behind me and that's "disclosure of confidential information would compromise the investigation"
So I for one am not at liberty in this press conference. I have no desire to compromise the investigation so I will not be disclosing confidential information at this press conference today. I will say that I believe, and I know that in this case there was information that was disclosed, it was disclosed in the midst of certain types of surveillance which I think has impeded the investigation and I don't think it was done wilfully, I think they were done, the purposes were to inform the public but I think, my strong impression I have from this case, and this is not something confidential that was shared with me, but I can tell you from the information that was shared with me, there are times when there's an investigation going on and they're beginning to focus on this or that it does not get to the public domain, it can have a chilling effect.
I wanted to go over, the two people we met with, there was a large delegation but primarily there were two folks that we met with and I talked to one of them previous to today. Also Chief Dompig who I have talked to at least three (3) times in the past two (2) months, probably talked to a total of five (5) times during this investigation, whose aware when he was on the case, when he was off the case, but another gentleman that came today and it was my specific request that he come Dolph Richardson and that was at my request because I had talked to him on two or three occasions and Dolph Richardson is the senior aruban police official in the investigation and he was the chief investigator in the first critical months after Natalee's disappearance.
He actually is in charge of a special task force on more complex cases and he directed much of that early investigation. In this case, it's been hampered somewhat by a language barrier. Certain things are said from time to time and the Dutch may mean something and the americans, we sort of take it a different way. I've had trouble with my communication on occasion with that and I think it's on occasion hampered american understanding of this case.
I'm going to try to pronounce this name, I think it's Renalto Em... I'm going to give a stab at it Eer .. What he He's the police analyst who's responsible for the maintenance and the organization and analyzing the evidence. He's what we might sometime call the police custodian, that is part of his function. But in Aruba he actually plays the role of what three (3) different officials would here in the United States.
He has organized extensive timelines, he's organized every piece of evidence, every piece is categorized and numbered and he is in charge of that. And as I said, we've met for well over two (2) hours this morning with these two gentlemen. We also met with an attorney who works with the Board of Tourism as her main job. She came because she is a lawyer. She has training in both the English Law and the Dutch Law and she was actually very valuable in that she spent 30 to 45 minutes with us explaining why under their system of government you might not, could do what we do here in certain cases. They have a different plea bargain arrangement. Probably of most surprise to me was what I learned today, in the United States often we charge people with lying in their statements, of not telling the truth in their statements. There have been conflicting statements, and I think we all know the result of people lying in their statements. To my surprise and I think to both y'all's surprise we found out that in Aruba under Dutch Law, it's okay for a suspect to lie in giving his statement, so it's ok for them to give a false statement and that's actually not a criminal charge.
I think if it were, you'd have people charged today. The aruban delegation did tell us, this is not facts about the investigation but they did tell us that 40% of the annual budget government expenditures have gone into this case which I think is an astounding number. I have no way to confirm that, I think you as a news media could either confirm or verify the truth of that but I have no reason to believe that that's not correct. It is a small island; things that could aid the investigation and also hamper the investigation, people know each other, they know people, they know people's families and obviously I think that several of our nightly news tv shows have shown that that can be a problem, it can be a hindrance and they're absolutely true.
I will say this, I for one will sit back and take a deep breath. I told them I wanted them to come up here and tell me the facts. I also wanted to know, I guess the last thing I'll say about the facts, I'd heard they were shutting down the investigation, they were bringing it to a conclusion. They told me they have fourteen (14) full time investigators on the case. I know a month ago I was told by the Deputy Police Chief Dompig and Adolpho Richardson in a phone conversation, that they were bringing in again (tape break) ....
We did have (tape break) and their efforts and intentions (tape break) I will characterize and they will be better in telling you I think but it's not to shut this case down, to continue to pursue it vigourously. They do not consider it a close case, nor do they consider that they have a dead end . They will continue to develop information and pursue leads. I'll simply close by saying that our thoughts and prayers remain with Natalee and the Holloway family and I do as an Alabamian and as a congressman for Natalee and the Holloway family, I do want to commend the news media for your focus on this case. As we see in this case and other cases, the news media in Alabama and throughout the nation breaks cases from time to time because you have a tremendous outreach and you can be a tremendous tool for solving cases whether they come to happy ending or turn out badly. In Alabama actually, with our tornadoes, there's not a significant tornado that we have in Alabama when I don't have constituents when I tour the storm damaged area, which tell me that because of tv coverage they're alive today and I'm not sure anybody's done a study on that, but I would say, and I've had a district where, and Mary's here from the Birmingham News, we've had two of the deadliest tornadoes in america. We've lost 25 people
Question from the floor (inaudible)
Bachus:
Without disclosing anything, as you know Greta, the first week or two of this investigation there were several suspects, you know went off this direction, went off that direction and for what seemed to be all the right reasons and on thing that, I think that all needs to go back into, but I think that they do have, I do think that, obviously she is, she didn't fly back on that plane and something happened to her and it was of a criminal nature.
Usually, you continue to pick and pick as you know, the cases you continue to pick at them and work on them and go back over them, go back over the suspects, continue to pursue various scenarios and sometimes you're successful and sometimes you're not
Greta:
.... Do you have a sense that they're going in the right direction, that they're doing everything they can and you have a commitment ...
Bachus:
I wouldn't know, they've devoted tremendous resources to the case, 40% of the, and I believe you'll find that's an accurrate figure, that they devoted 40% of their resources, this small island to solving this crime and I for one, can't believe, I'm not a conspiracist, but I can't believe that a country spends 40% of their budget on a case if they didn't want to solve it.
Question from the floor:
" ..... they're not doing all they can to solve the case ...
Bachus:
You know, I shared that with Miss Holloway, and that was probably as much frustration as anything and I will say that I do feel better about the investigation after meeting with them. Mr. Richardson for instance, has been trained in England, they have 1.3 murders a year on an island of 100,000 people so were they tremendously experienced to handle one of these cases. You have to have a certain amount of experience, as a result, Russell who has investigated several hundred murder cases, David who has tried how many murder cases... we're talking about an island that averages 1 murder a year.
From the floor:
"..... going in the right direction?
Bachus:
I'm convinced they've brought in tremendous resources and resources have been offered to them. Even with them spending 40% of the time because of the news media, the search of that island I would say is unprecedented. They've had F-16's, Dutch F-16's come in and fly over the island that can located, they were used in Bosnia
Question from the floor (inaudible)
Bachus:
I'm restrained to some extent to comment on what the evidence I heard today, in fact I'm not .. (inaudible)
Greta:
inaudible
Bachus:
If you're asking me, are you more certain that this case will be solved than you were before you met with them, I will say that I think that the people I've met with, they are professional, they have devoted a tremendous amount of resources to the case but I think they're up against a pretty sophisticated group, who you know, if somebody gets a warning that the police are going to sit them down in 24 or 48 hours and talk to them, lots can happen in 24 or 48 hours
Greta:
"... they have 1.3 murders a year (inaudible) no matter how many resources, if you don't have the wherewithall... the experience ... (inaudible)
Bachus:
I think these gentlemen would be better at answering that question. I think the obvious answer is that they don't have a lot of experience with these cases because they average 1.3 murders a year so how could they get experience.
Their meeting with the FBI, that's one agency that's tremendously experienced, the FBI, they've had a number of agents in the field and I think how involved they are, how involved they want to be, I don't know.
Question from the floor (inaudible)
Bachus:
They had brought in Dutch investigators that have investigated several cases, but there's a problem with Alabama in that there's a language barrier, don't forget that.
From the floor (inaudible)
Bachus:
I wanted to get the facts, I wanted to ask them, and we did that, we asked them at least, I think we had a list of, going in I had a list of twenty-five (25) questions where I heard this, I heard that. I asked about this piece of evidence, I asked about this story, I asked we were told this and they answered every one of them. How much of that was, you know they appeared to be forthright but I would say some of y'all who have talk shows have more experience than I do in determining how
From the floor (inaudible)
Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago they through State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours.
Greta:
""... (inaudible) you'd think they'd bend over backwards to provide information ...
Bachus:
These two gentlemen, David and Robbie, and they're (inaudible) you know when people get involved in a case if it doesn't have a successful resolution everybody gets the blame and I think they stepped up, they took considerable risk themselves when they actually said this morning "if we can be of assistance we would be glad to"
Greta:
"....(inaudible) if Aruba wants to talk to them ... (inaudible) talk to the aruban authorities ..
Bachus:
As you know, I think we all know it's been confirmed, there's no dispute they got in a car with three young men but there may be something either before or after that was said that could be of value. They want to do that and I think they have a right to do that
From the floor:
(Inaudible) DO you have a message today to your constituents in Mountain Brook, especially to the families of those kids that went on that trip
Bachus:
That I'm doing, at least the things that I've been asked to be helpful with . I think it's unprecedented for a country to send a delegation here, including two people who are working intimately on the case to answer questions. If this case had happened in France, I don't think we would be having a french delegation come over.
I'm not going to criticize, I'm not going to condemn, but I'm not going to commend the aruban authorities, that's just I have asked them to do basically two or three things. I asked them first of all just within probably forty-eight (4 hours of the disappearance to agree to let the FBI come in and they at least filed the paperwork necessary to do that and I've heard the stories about
Greta:
Were they asked to come in and observe or did the FBI take an active role in the investigation.
Bachus:
You know, that's a question I'd like answered too and I have not gotten a satisfactory answer out of the two, well I don't know. I think that's a great question to ask, I'd like to know and I think the FBI may tell you they don't discuss those things.
From the floor (inaudible)
No, there weren't Mary, because wouldn't be able to discuss, in fact they made it clear, there were things that David said "don't show us" because
Unidentified man standing behind Rep Bachus:
There were things about their system today, that we are not accustomed to
Bachus:
and actually in preparation to
Unidentified man:
there were barriers to them sharing certain things that could actually jeopardize any potential prosecution and so (inaudible) we just said you know "we don't want to hear it"
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(inaudible)
Bachus:
I told them, I assured them that everybody in that room would, the things that they said were confidential and which others had said were confidential, they wouldn't be shared. I'm not a substitute for the family, what I did do, the family on Monday informed me that Mr. Philips would like to meet with the, they actually said Dompig and I asked the arubans , I asked them to do that if at all possible, and I was under the understanding
Greta:
Wasn't it Mr. Kelly
Bachus:
He's from New York. Yes, pardon me Mr. Kelly, right. It's my understanding he went down and sat with them for about an hour or so
Greta:
(inaudible)
Bachus:
Actually I talked to Mr. Holloway back in Mississippi, with Beth and I told them that when they came, and I told them to come, that it would be between me and LE officers; the FBI was certainly not willing to have them.
Greta:
Was the FBI at that meeting?
Bachus:
The FBI was not at our meeting
Greta:
You hesitate
Bachus:
I did
Greta:
Is there something behind that, am I missing something?
Bachus:
Yeah. (Laughs) Okay thank you
End of Press Conference
Just trying to be helpful.
Thanks Heli!
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Re: Spencer Bachus - Vomiting in silence?
| JD wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | JD wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | What did Spencer Bachus learn in those closed door Washington meetings that caused him to start dancing to a different techno beat? Prior to going in to the meetings, Spencer was full of pomp and circumstances about how he was going to make the Aruban delegation toe the line. Coming out of the meetings, Spencer looked as if he had just had a corn cob shoved up his ass. It was at this point that he all but demanded that the MB students start cooperating with the FBI. He also alluded to circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee that The Family was aware of but hadn't been totally honest about. What's up with that? What does The Family know that they aren't telling? Has The Family been lying - again? |
I think you're morphing two bachus statements into one. You're also spinning it to absurdity. |
I'll tell you what, ViVi, find Spencer's quotes and come back here and explain what he was saying. TIA!  |
Nah, let's just spin it however we feel like. |
Your response reminds me of something a lazy piece of shit would say.
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Re: Spencer Bachus - Vomiting in silence?
| WangChung wrote: | | JD wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | JD wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | What did Spencer Bachus learn in those closed door Washington meetings that caused him to start dancing to a different techno beat? Prior to going in to the meetings, Spencer was full of pomp and circumstances about how he was going to make the Aruban delegation toe the line. Coming out of the meetings, Spencer looked as if he had just had a corn cob shoved up his ass. It was at this point that he all but demanded that the MB students start cooperating with the FBI. He also alluded to circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Natalee that The Family was aware of but hadn't been totally honest about. What's up with that? What does The Family know that they aren't telling? Has The Family been lying - again? |
I think you're morphing two bachus statements into one. You're also spinning it to absurdity. |
I'll tell you what, ViVi, find Spencer's quotes and come back here and explain what he was saying. TIA!  |
Nah, let's just spin it however we feel like. |
Your response reminds me of something a lazy piece of shit would say.  |
wait just one damn minute there, wendy! i have never said that.
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Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours.
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Bachus:
At my request, and let me go back and tell you my involvement in the Natalee Holloway case The day that Natalee or the day or the day after Natalee missed her flight, the Holloway family contacted me as their congressman and asked if I would help them in the search for Natalee. I immediately asked if the FBI was involved and I don't remember at this late date whether they asked me to talk to the FBI or whether I suggested the FBI to them, but I did call our american representative in Aruba and talked personally with him. I found out that the procedure would be for the aruban government to request the help of the FBI. I immediately placed that call, talked to two members of the aruban government and within probably six (6) hours, and I think there have been varying reports in the news media, but within six (6) hours there was a formal request from the aruban government to involve, at least within six (6) hours I had information and confirmation that the aruban government had requested the participation of the FBI. That was reported in the Birmingham News and (inaudible)
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| Heli wrote: | Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours. |
Heli,
I do not believe he pulled this out of a hat. I believe that people actually told him they didn't want LE or FBI talking to their "darlings."
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Sunday, June 05, 2005
HANNAH WOLFSON
News staff writer
PALM BEACH, Aruba
U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."
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| BhamMom wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours. |
Heli,
I do not believe he pulled this out of a hat. I believe that people actually told him they didn't want LE or FBI talking to their "darlings." |
Of course he didn't pull it out of his hat. He was more concerned about pulling the corn cob out of his ass that had been shoved up there during the closed door meeting - the meeting the FBI made a strong point of not inviting Beth Twitty to. For some odd reason.
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Bachus:
As you know, I think we all know it's been confirmed, there's no dispute they got in a car with three young men but there may be something either before or after that was said that could be of value. They want to do that and I think they have a right to do that.
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| JD wrote: | Sunday, June 05, 2005
HANNAH WOLFSON
News staff writer
PALM BEACH, Aruba
U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off." |
I'll at least give you credit for getting off your lazy ass, finding the quote, and admitting you were wrong. So what do you think Spence meant?
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Heli
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| BhamMom wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours. |
Heli,
I do not believe he pulled this out of a hat. I believe that people actually told him they didn't want LE or FBI talking to their "darlings." |
Seems from Bachus' presser that he learned quite a
lot of info during his meeting that day.
The most intriguing part of the presser is the last exchange
between Greta and Bachus. Hmmmm Talk about clamming
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Bachus:
What will be taking place today, in fact as we meet is, there were two things in my discussion with the arubans which I asked them and they asked me. I asked them to come to Washington to meet with State and Federal officials. They in fact told me that they had two (2) requests of me. One (1) was that I try to facilitate greater co-operation between them and the State Department and the FBI in that they had made requests of the State Department and the FBI in connection with interviewing witnesses here in this country.
I was actually disappointed that there had been delays in facilitating interviews that they had requested and as we speak today the aruban delegation is meeting with very high level officials at the FBI . They're meeting with Chris Gregorski who is the Acting Chief of the Violent Crime Section . They're also meeting with Chip Burris the Deputy Assistanat Director of the Criminal Investigation Division. So those are two officials, and there'll be others in those meetings, but those are two top officials at the FBI and I felt it necessary for the FBI and the arubans to sit down face to face and communicate and I am hopeful that if there's progress to be made in the case and progress might depend even marginally on co-operation between those two agencies, that that will happen.
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Heli
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| WangChung wrote: | | BhamMom wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours. |
Heli,
I do not believe he pulled this out of a hat. I believe that people actually told him they didn't want LE or FBI talking to their "darlings." |
Of course he didn't pull it out of his hat. He was more concerned about pulling the corn cob out of his ass that had been shoved up there during the closed door meeting - the meeting the FBI made a strong point of not inviting Beth Twitty to. For some odd reason.  |
Nor Beth Twitty's attorney who she'd requested be present.
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WangChung
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| Heli wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | BhamMom wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours. |
Heli,
I do not believe he pulled this out of a hat. I believe that people actually told him they didn't want LE or FBI talking to their "darlings." |
Of course he didn't pull it out of his hat. He was more concerned about pulling the corn cob out of his ass that had been shoved up there during the closed door meeting - the meeting the FBI made a strong point of not inviting Beth Twitty to. For some odd reason.  |
Nor Beth Twitty's attorney who she'd requested be present. |
Just as a casual observation, the targets of an investigation usually aren't invited to attend meetings concerning such an investigation, nor are their lawyers.
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Friday, August 05, 2005
Curacao judge yet to rule on FBI access to Holloway case files
A judge from Curacao has not yet ruled on the FBI’s increased involvement in the case of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway. Defense lawyers protested Aruban authorities’ decision to hand over transcripts of interrogations and other documents to the FBI. Transfer of the evidence occurred after Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked the country’s attorney general to give the FBI more access to the case files.
The judge was expected to rule today but had not done so by the close of business, said Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office. She said that meant the decision would likely come Monday at the earliest.
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WangChung
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| JD wrote: | Friday, August 05, 2005
Curacao judge yet to rule on FBI access to Holloway case files
A judge from Curacao has not yet ruled on the FBI’s increased involvement in the case of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway. Defense lawyers protested Aruban authorities’ decision to hand over transcripts of interrogations and other documents to the FBI. Transfer of the evidence occurred after Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked the country’s attorney general to give the FBI more access to the case files.
The judge was expected to rule today but had not done so by the close of business, said Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office. She said that meant the decision would likely come Monday at the earliest. |
OK, that's great. So what do you think Spence meant by the statements you quoted earlier?
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So, Interpol can investigate anyone?
Without interference ...
if it is connected within the parameters of their jurisdiction?
Like federal judges and the like?
Oops, wrong place I think and then again ... maybe not.
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http://interpol.police.ir/News/News_DetailE.asp?Cat=177&src=177
About Interpol
Date: 5/5/2006
Interpol is the world’s largest international police organization, with 184 member countries. It exists to help create a safer world by supporting law enforcement agencies worldwide to combat crime.
Interpol has three core functions, which provide:
* Secure global police communications
* Data services and databases for police
* Support to police services
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| WangChung wrote: | | JD wrote: | Friday, August 05, 2005
Curacao judge yet to rule on FBI access to Holloway case files
A judge from Curacao has not yet ruled on the FBI’s increased involvement in the case of missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway. Defense lawyers protested Aruban authorities’ decision to hand over transcripts of interrogations and other documents to the FBI. Transfer of the evidence occurred after Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber asked the country’s attorney general to give the FBI more access to the case files.
The judge was expected to rule today but had not done so by the close of business, said Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office. She said that meant the decision would likely come Monday at the earliest. |
OK, that's great. So what do you think Spence meant by the statements you quoted earlier? |
I think he was playing the gracious host to his foreign guests. He was being a politician and didnt say a whole lot of anything.
If you think he was implying that the H/T are somehow complicit in Natalee's disappearance, think again because he also said:
I am not a spokesman for the Holloway family, they are my constituents. I think they have done an admirable job speaking for themselves and representing the Holloway case and their daughter. We all know about their efforts and I've not tried to substitute for them.
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| WangChung wrote: | | Heli wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | BhamMom wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Bachus:
They did ask me for two things, one of the things that they've consistently asked for is there are people they want to talk to in the United States and apparently over three (3) months ago through the State Department channels they requested that. I know there are people in my district who've said I don't want them coming up here and talking to my son or my daughter but in a criminal investigation where there's a missing young lady you talk to the people who were around her in the last few hours. |
Heli,
I do not believe he pulled this out of a hat. I believe that people actually told him they didn't want LE or FBI talking to their "darlings." |
Of course he didn't pull it out of his hat. He was more concerned about pulling the corn cob out of his ass that had been shoved up there during the closed door meeting - the meeting the FBI made a strong point of not inviting Beth Twitty to. For some odd reason.  |
Nor Beth Twitty's attorney who she'd requested be present. |
Just as a casual observation, the targets of an investigation usually aren't invited to attend meetings concerning such an investigation, nor are their lawyers.  |
Precisely, and it seems Aruba would now like Interpol
to act as intermediary in obtaining "data" from the
FBI.
Is that code for information from the FBI's investigation
of the family and/or the students, and/or the chaperones?
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| reddog wrote: | http://interpol.police.ir/News/News_DetailE.asp?Cat=177&src=177
About Interpol
Date: 5/5/2006
Interpol is the world?s largest international police organization, with 184 member countries. It exists to help create a safer world by supporting law enforcement agencies worldwide to combat crime.
Interpol has three core functions, which provide:
* Secure global police communications
* Data services and databases for police
* Support to police services |
Oh ... OK, communications, databases and support.
Gotcha ... thanks.
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