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Heli
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:51 pm |
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Beth's TV Propaganda Now Truth
Elisa Waldron wrote an article entitled The Worth of a Child: Missing Children
http://tinyurl.com/z356b
"Not only did she rush to the site of her daughter's
disappearance thousands of miles away, she remained
firm and steadfast and able to lead the crusade into the
details, the reconstruction of that night. She has said
she is aware of sexual abuse against her daughter on
that night. I am not sure how well I would handle
hearing my baby was raped before she disappeared
and where I would find the composure to keep standing
in front of the cameras to do interviews and to keep
telling the world my daughter is a person, please don't
forget her ..."
"I saw her on television explaining that young girls
go missing on Aruba and are sold as sex slaves." 
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| reddog
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:52 pm |
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"She has said she is aware of sexual abuse against her daughter on that night. I am not sure how well I would handle hearing my baby was raped before she disappeared"
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| WangChung
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I believe Beth Twitty was the recipient of some type of childhood sexual abuse and continues to project that unresolved issue on to Natalee. What else would cause a mother to talk gleefully about the possible gang rape of her daughter?
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| reddog
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:18 am |
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| WangChung wrote: | | I believe Beth Twitty was the recipient of some type of childhood sexual abuse and continues to project that unresolved issue on to Natalee. What else would cause a mother to talk gleefully about the possible gang rape of her daughter? |
you think beth (or anyone else) being sexually abused as a child would cause them to "talk gleefully" about their child's "possible gang rape"????
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| WangChung
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:24 am |
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| reddog wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | I believe Beth Twitty was the recipient of some type of childhood sexual abuse and continues to project that unresolved issue on to Natalee. What else would cause a mother to talk gleefully about the possible gang rape of her daughter? |
you think beth (or anyone else) being sexually abused as a child would cause them to "talk gleefully" about their child's "possible gang rape"???? |
Yes. There could be an element of resentment present that she (Natalee) grew in to someone more attractive and popular than Beth ever was without having endured the hardship of a sexually abusive situation that she (Beth) might have. You have to admit there was some sort of rivalry occuring between Beth and Natalee.
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| reddog
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| WangChung wrote: | | reddog wrote: | | WangChung wrote: | | I believe Beth Twitty was the recipient of some type of childhood sexual abuse and continues to project that unresolved issue on to Natalee. What else would cause a mother to talk gleefully about the possible gang rape of her daughter? |
you think beth (or anyone else) being sexually abused as a child would cause them to "talk gleefully" about their child's "possible gang rape"???? |
Yes. There could be an element of resentment present that she (Natalee) grew in to someone more attractive and popular than Beth ever was without having endured the hardship of a sexually abusive situation that she (Beth) might have. You have to admit there was some sort of rivalry occuring between Beth and Natalee. |
rivalry, sure. but the rest of your thought leaves out your(?) oft -mentioned theory that george was molesting natalee. btw, you should have included that as it could play into the "rivalry".
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| WangChung
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:39 am |
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| reddog wrote: |
rivalry, sure. but the rest of your thought leaves out your(?) oft -mentioned theory that george was molesting natalee. btw, you should have included that as it could play into the "rivalry". |
I was focusing on Beth's fantasies, not Jug's. His insistence that Natalee and her friends refer to him as Jugless can be discussed at a later date. Beth was the one that allowed her Natalee rape fantasy to be shared with anyone who owns a television set.
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| reddog
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:46 am |
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| WangChung wrote: | | reddog wrote: |
rivalry, sure. but the rest of your thought leaves out your(?) oft -mentioned theory that george was molesting natalee. btw, you should have included that as it could play into the "rivalry". |
I was focusing on Beth's fantasies, not Jug's. His insistence that Natalee and her friends refer to him as Jugless can be discussed at a later date. Beth was the one that allowed her Natalee rape fantasy to be shared with anyone who owns a television set. |
hell no!! discuss them right now!
i agree that - for whatever reason - beth's eyes seem to "sparkle" when she speaks of natalee being raped.
from where do you get your contention that george had an "insistence that Natalee and her friends refer to him as Jugless"?
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| WangChung
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:53 am |
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| reddog wrote: |
hell no!! discuss them right now!
i agree that - for whatever reason - beth's eyes seem to "sparkle" when she speaks of natalee being raped.
from where do you get your contention that george had an "insistence that Natalee and her friends refer to him as Jugless"? |
What do you think causes Beth's eyes to "sparkle" when she speaks of Natalee being raped? You're an intelligent person, venture your guess.
The "Jugless" quotes came, to the best of my recollection, from the same Facebook or myspace entries where the author was also discussing his/her trip to the Beaver Hunt Club. There was a fairly detailed description of Jug's beer can collection in some room of the club as well.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:01 am |
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| WangChung wrote: | | reddog wrote: |
hell no!! discuss them right now!
i agree that - for whatever reason - beth's eyes seem to "sparkle" when she speaks of natalee being raped.
from where do you get your contention that george had an "insistence that Natalee and her friends refer to him as Jugless"? |
What do you think causes Beth's eyes to "sparkle" when she speaks of Natalee being raped? You're an intelligent person, venture your guess.
The "Jugless" quotes came, to the best of my recollection, from the same Facebook or myspace entries where the author was also discussing his/her trip to the Beaver Hunt Club. There was a fairly detailed description of Jug's beer can collection in some room of the club as well. |
tsk, tsk, now. don't be sayin' you think i am intelligent. that can make you (more) enemies around here. ;}
i have always presumed that beth was jealous of natalee and that, added into (what i view as) beth's mental instability, caused her to both want to make natalee out to be the "be all and end all" of everything and also want to "fantasize" about natalee's "downfall". i think that - in beth's mind - either was an "accomplishment" for beth.
(ty for the explaination of the "jugless" comment.)
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| WangChung
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:07 am |
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| reddog wrote: |
tsk, tsk, now. don't be sayin' you think i am intelligent. that can make you (more) enemies around here. ;}
i have always presumed that beth was jealous of natalee and that, added into (what i view as) beth's mental instability, caused her to both want to make natalee out to be the "be all and end all" of everything and also want to "fantasize" about natalee's "downfall". i think that - in beth's mind - either was an "accomplishment" for beth.
(ty for the explaination of the "jugless" comment.) |
(More) enemies are about as bothersome to me as forgetting to fully screw the cap back on the bottle of A-1 sauce.
Your take on Beth's actions is probable, I just wonder where the sexual element of it comes from. There are many other ways Beth could have manifested the feelings you describe without resorting to the rape allegory.
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| WangChung wrote: | | reddog wrote: |
tsk, tsk, now. don't be sayin' you think i am intelligent. that can make you (more) enemies around here. ;}
i have always presumed that beth was jealous of natalee and that, added into (what i view as) beth's mental instability, caused her to both want to make natalee out to be the "be all and end all" of everything and also want to "fantasize" about natalee's "downfall". i think that - in beth's mind - either was an "accomplishment" for beth.
(ty for the explaination of the "jugless" comment.) |
(More) enemies are about as bothersome to me as forgetting to fully screw the cap back on the bottle of A-1 sauce.
Your take on Beth's actions is probable, I just wonder where the sexual element of it comes from. There are many other ways Beth could have manifested the feelings you describe without resorting to the rape allegory. |
-i hear ya.
-i would think it more likely that beth's adding in of the "sexual element" would come from george's "interest" in natalee, be it real or percieved --- and be it sexual or not. there is the possibility that george was trying to be a good step-father and his "paying attention" to natalee was nothing more than parental. after all, dave didn't seem to be around for natalee. but i think - in beth's mind - that was taking attention away from beth.
-certainly if beth was sexually abused as a child, that might play into it.
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| WangChung
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:29 am |
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| reddog wrote: |
-i hear ya.
-i would think it more likely that beth's adding in of the "sexual element" would come from george's "interest" in natalee, be it real or percieved --- and be it sexual or not. there is the possibility that george was trying to be a good step-father and his "paying attention" to natalee was nothing more than parental. after all, dave didn't seem to be around for natalee. but i think - in beth's mind - that was taking attention away from beth.
-certainly if beth was sexually abused as a child, that might play into it. |
Let me digest all of that.
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:31 am |
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| WangChung wrote: | | reddog wrote: |
-i hear ya.
-i would think it more likely that beth's adding in of the "sexual element" would come from george's "interest" in natalee, be it real or percieved --- and be it sexual or not. there is the possibility that george was trying to be a good step-father and his "paying attention" to natalee was nothing more than parental. after all, dave didn't seem to be around for natalee. but i think - in beth's mind - that was taking attention away from beth.
-certainly if beth was sexually abused as a child, that might play into it. |
Let me digest all of that. |
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| Heli
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:33 am |
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Jug and Natalee -- consider the "Lolita" factor
I posted on this topic a couple of months ago; it's an
interesting concept
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| reddog
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:35 am |
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| Heli wrote: | Jug and Natalee -- consider the "Lolita" factor
I posted on this topic a couple of months ago; it's an
interesting concept |
but....maybe that "factor" was all in beth's mind.
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| pax
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:38 am |
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Interesting discussion here.
I like this comment to the article, from a poster named Aby Katz:
"Although we all can sympathize with a grieving mother and her need to keep her daughter's disappearance in the news, it is irresponsible for the media to perpetuate inaccuracies about this case based on mistruths. There is no evidence that her daughter was raped or that girls are abducted from Aruba to be used as sex slaves, just as there is no evidence of malfeasance or corruption by the authorities investigating this case. In fact, Aruba has devoted more resources, more man hours, and more of their operating budget to this case than any other missing persons case I know of. It's unfortunate the author didn't minimally fact check before writing this article, for which she owes Aruba a retraction and an apology."
Heli, what is that site, Associated Content? Thanks in advance.
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| bamuda
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:39 am |
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| reddog wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Jug and Natalee -- consider the "Lolita" factor
I posted on this topic a couple of months ago; it's an
interesting concept |
but....maybe that "factor" was all in beth's mind. |
Yes, maybe so ... the places where no one can reach or reason.
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| Heli
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:45 am |
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| pax wrote: | Interesting discussion here.
I like this comment to the article, from a poster named Aby Katz:
"Although we all can sympathize with a grieving mother and her need to keep her daughter's disappearance in the news, it is irresponsible for the media to perpetuate inaccuracies about this case based on mistruths. There is no evidence that her daughter was raped or that girls are abducted from Aruba to be used as sex slaves, just as there is no evidence of malfeasance or corruption by the authorities investigating this case. In fact, Aruba has devoted more resources, more man hours, and more of their operating budget to this case than any other missing persons case I know of. It's unfortunate the author didn't minimally fact check before writing this article, for which she owes Aruba a retraction and an apology."
Heli, what is that site, Associated Content? Thanks in advance. |
To be honest, I don't really know. I found the article as
I was researching material on the case today.
The article was confirmation that Beth's daily repetition
of the sexual assault and gang rape became truth to
the author of the article and no doubt many, many others
who happened to hear her every day. 
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| pax
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Thanks Heli. It appeared to me to be some place where any old jackass can spout off nonsensical "editorials." Kind of like this site, come to think of it, lol.
As for what others think, I suppose that's true, but then again, many people believe in a lot of stuff that has little to do with facts. Many Americans still believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even though their own President has now said it did not.
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| Heli
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 1:54 am |
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| pax wrote: | Thanks Heli. It appeared to me to be some place where any old jackass can spout off nonsensical "editorials." Kind of like this site, come to think of it, lol.
As for what others think, I suppose that's true, but then again, many people believe in a lot of stuff that has little to do with facts. Many Americans still believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even though their own President has now said it did not. |
I didn't really look closely at the site; I just read the
article and and wanted to scream 
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| reddog
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:05 am |
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| pax wrote: | Thanks Heli. It appeared to me to be some place where any old jackass can spout off nonsensical "editorials." Kind of like this site, come to think of it, lol.
As for what others think, I suppose that's true, but then again, many people believe in a lot of stuff that has little to do with facts. Many Americans still believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even though their own President has now said it did not. |
but he at first said they did.......
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| pax
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| reddog wrote: | | pax wrote: | Thanks Heli. It appeared to me to be some place where any old jackass can spout off nonsensical "editorials." Kind of like this site, come to think of it, lol.
As for what others think, I suppose that's true, but then again, many people believe in a lot of stuff that has little to do with facts. Many Americans still believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even though their own President has now said it did not. |
but he at first said they did....... |
Good point. My analogy was not so great, lol.
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| BhamMom
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 2:30 am |
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I think the sexual abuse comes to mind in this case often. To be honest, I've even toyed with the idea that possibly Beth had sexually abused Natalee, not Jug. Many things in this case have just been too weird.
The relationship between Beth and Natalee's friends is just too strange. Jug said Beth was one of the girls. The poster with mother and daughter. The comments about belonging together. All too strange.
I do think Beth was jealous of Natalee and wanted to be like her. If she had abused Natalee the separation from her would mean that Beth lost control. Natalee was going to college and away from home. As long as Beth was with Natalee, Natalee would not talk about the abuse to anyone. With her in college, she might talk.
This theory has crossed my mind many times and when it does I can't help but wonder if Beth arranged for Natalee to disappear. Crazy? Yes. But it does cross my mind.
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| Black-Tulip
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Sat Aug 26, 2006 5:17 am |
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| BhamMom wrote: |
I do think Beth was jealous of Natalee and wanted to be like her. |
Jealous? I don't see it. Except for wanting to be young.
More a control thing. Not willing to accept you can't control your child for ever.
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