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Aruba Asks Netherlands to Take lead in Holloway Case
Aruba asks Dutch to take lead in Holloway case
25 August 2006
AMSTERDAM — Aruba has asked the Netherlands to take over the leadership of the stalled investigation into the disappearance of US school graduate Natalee Holloway.
Dutch minister Atzo Nicolaï has indicated a willingness to help the investigation. "But we still have to look at the precise agreements under which we would work," he said on Thursday.
Nicolaï (Government Reform and Kingdom Relations) made his comments at the end of his official visit to the autonomous Dutch island in the Caribbean. The request for assistance was made by Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes.
Aruba has been battered by negative publicity in the US for over a year since Holloway, 18, vanished on
the night of 30 May 2005. She was on holiday with friends to celebrate their graduation and was last seen leaving a local tourist venue with three youths.
Police on Aruba arrested a total of 10 people so far in the investigation but all have been released. Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot, one of the youths with Holloway on the night she disappeared, was the main suspect for many months. He continues to deny harming her in any way.
Holloway's family doesn't believe him. Her mother Beth Twitty has led a chorus of criticism from the US of the way the local authorities have handled the case. There have even been calls for Americans to boycott the popular tourist destination.
Repeated searches of the island have failed to find any trace of her, though investigators said early on they believed she is dead. At one stage dutch F-16 jets, fitted with special cameras, were used in a futile attempt to find her remains.
Aruba's new request goes much further as it proposes giving Dutch officers investigative powers and their own office. They would also be allowed to carry weapons. Croes wants the Dutch national police service KLPD to lead the investigation.
Dutch Interior Minister Johan Remkes, who is responsible for the police, will discuss the matter further when he visits Aruba next week.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=19&story_id=32552&name=Aruba+asks+Dutch+to+take+lead+in+Holloway+case
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This seems like a very good idea.
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This is excellent news!
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That is excellent news.
Unless the answers really DO lie in Mountain Brook.
The US won't be giving Dutch investigators carte blanche to investigate the "friends" "family" and "chaperones" for possible answers.
Then again, fresh eyes to look over old clues isn't a bad thing. JoeT said there was a lot of overlooked clues. Maybe he said that only because he represents Joran and Paulus. But...maybe.
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| FocusFactor wrote: | That is excellent news.
Unless the answers really DO lie in Mountain Brook.
The US won't be giving Dutch investigators carte blanche to investigate the "friends" "family" and "chaperones" for possible answers.
Then again, fresh eyes to look over old clues isn't a bad thing. JoeT said there was a lot of overlooked clues. Maybe he said that only because he represents Joran and Paulus. But...maybe. |
It's excellent news wherever the answers lie. The investigation is and has been at a standstill. This request should have been made long ago.
I dont think they're ramping up the investigation to look into "friends" "family" and "chaperones" but I do hope those individuals cooperate as much as is requested.
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I do not believe they are ramping up to go investigate any MB kids, but I am sure they would want to see their statements given to FBI/ALE.
A new set of eyes is a good thing.
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FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that.
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| JD wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | That is excellent news.
Unless the answers really DO lie in Mountain Brook.
The US won't be giving Dutch investigators carte blanche to investigate the "friends" "family" and "chaperones" for possible answers.
Then again, fresh eyes to look over old clues isn't a bad thing. JoeT said there was a lot of overlooked clues. Maybe he said that only because he represents Joran and Paulus. But...maybe. |
It's excellent news wherever the answers lie. The investigation is and has been at a standstill. This request should have been made long ago.
I dont think they're ramping up the investigation to look into "friends" "family" and "chaperones" but I do hope those individuals cooperate as much as is requested. |
My point is that *IF* Natalee is alive someplace, someone in MB knows that. If she is dead, maybe not.
But they DO know what happened the entire week. They know details that should have been settled and told to ALE before they flew the coop, so to speak.
I'm glad new investigators will look into this. No matter what the answer is, I want to see the ending of this movie.
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| JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba.
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| FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba. |
Yes, all those things that Greta questioned Beth about and was told "it is just not relevant". 
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| FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba. |
I think you are talking about Nat's behavior for Fri., Sat., Sun. and just part of Thurs. That's really not a week.
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FF--those details are very relevant. Thankfully there are the FBI/ALE interviews to help refresh memories.
But, it sure would have been nice if they could have been interviewed early on.
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| plhtx1 wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba. |
I think you are talking about Nat's behavior for Fri., Sat., Sun. and just part of Thurs. That's really not a week. |
You are really obsessed with the number of days of the trip. What difference does it make!
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A refresher:
June 16, 2005
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Take me back to May 30, the time you got the horrible news. How did you hear your daughter was missing?
HOLLOWAY: Well, it was May 30. It was around 12 noon, and I had received a phone call from one of the chaperones that Natalee had not shown up with the group to depart their flight. I'm not sure what time their flight was departing, but...
VAN SUSTEREN: Were they at the airport already?
HOLLOWAY: Oh, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: They were looking for her, at least.
HOLLOWAY: They were at the Holiday Inn (search). They were still at the hotel, yes. Oh, yes. And Natalee has never been late for anything, Greta. Never. Never. And I just knew that I had to be in Aruba that day.
VAN SUSTEREN: And did you get here that day?
HOLLOWAY: Yes, I did. I made it by 11 p.m. on May 30.
VAN SUSTEREN: When you received that phone call, did they give you any details about when she was last seen?
HOLLOWAY: We really didn't discuss that at that time, and that just really wasn't relevant. I knew that Natalee was not there, and I had to be there, had to be in Aruba that day.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did she have a roommate at the Holiday Inn?
HOLLOWAY: She had three roommates at the Holiday Inn.
VAN SUSTEREN: And when did they first report that she was missing?
HOLLOWAY: I really can't comment on that. You know, it really wasn't relevant to me to where I needed to be and finding Natalee and we have not discussed that, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: So you arrived about 11 p.m. here at the island. What did you do first?
HOLLOWAY: Well, the first thing we did, we had three citizens here. They work for an international company. They took us around. We immediately began reviewing the situation, and we actually reviewed some video footage from the Holiday Inn, the hotel casino, and just tried to pinpoint who this young man was that Natalee was last seen with and just began our own family investigation.
VAN SUSTEREN: You actually sat down and looked at this video?
HOLLOWAY: Yes, I did.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you spot Natalee in the video?
HOLLOWAY: No, it wasn't to spot Natalee in the video, it was just to make an identification of the young man that Natalee was last seen with.
VAN SUSTEREN: But you weren't here, so how would you be in a position to even know who this young man was?
HOLLOWAY: Through some of her classmates. And this young man had spent time with these children. He had been with them for a couple of days. They knew this young man. They knew his first name. They had spent hours with him. So it wasn't a secret. It wasn't a secret who she left with.
VAN SUSTEREN: Were they sort of having sort of, like, dating each other?
HOLLOWAY: No, absolutely not.
VAN SUSTEREN: It was just part of a group?
HOLLOWAY: Part of a group.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did her friends see anything about this young man, anything distinctive about him or problems with him?
HOLLOWAY: Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
VAN SUSTEREN: Alcohol, drugs?
HOLLOWAY: Absolutely not.
VAN SUSTEREN: Nice kid, as far as they knew?
HOLLOWAY: Absolutely, yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: After looking at the video, what was the next sort of step in the investigation?
HOLLOWAY: Well, as far as what my concerns were, I wanted to find where this young man lived.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you find that out?
HOLLOWAY: Yes, I did.
VAN SUSTEREN: How did you do that?
HOLLOWAY: That was just through a series of events that I really don't want to get into now...
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you ever talk to him?
HOLLOWAY: I never had a conversation with him. No, I did not.
VAN SUSTEREN: How about his parents?
HOLLOWAY: No, I did not.
VAN SUSTEREN: Any interest in talking to the parents?
HOLLOWAY: From my standpoint?
VAN SUSTEREN: Yes.
HOLLOWAY: No, I did not express an interest in wanting to speak with his parents at that time.
VAN SUSTEREN: Now, the first night, when they spoke to him, the first time the police spoke to him, they let him go.
HOLLOWAY: Correct.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you have any problem with that at that time?
HOLLOWAY: Well, being her mother, I would think anyone would. I think that would be a normal reaction. Why they let him go, I can't comment on that. I don't have an answer. But I think that any mother, that would be a huge concern of hers. If the last man that her daughter was seen with was let go, I think any mother would feel that way.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if he's now talking to the police, if they're getting any information from him?
HOLLOWAY: I wouldn't know that. But I do feel, Greta, I really feel that they are making progress and I expect results.
VAN SUSTEREN: I can tell you have a lot of gratitude, you know, towards them. And maybe they don't give you details, but is it that you have gratitude but they're not, like, giving you specific details?
HOLLOWAY: I think that, you know, giving me specific details would jeopardize the investigation, and that is a huge concern of mine.
VAN SUSTEREN: Have you been part of the searches? Do they include you in the searches?
HOLLOWAY: No, I'm not part of their searches, no.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you do your own searches?
HOLLOWAY: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: I mean, obviously, you've been here looking desperately for your daughter.
HOLLOWAY: Absolutely.
VAN SUSTEREN: How do you pass your days here? Do you, I mean, sit and wait for that phone to ring?
HOLLOWAY: Oh, no. I don't wait for the phone to ring. No.
VAN SUSTEREN: What are you doing?
HOLLOWAY: I'm out. I'm out every day, whether I'm in the community, whether I'm in St. Nicholas or I'm in Santa Cruz (search) or I'm in the stores. I mean, I'm going up and meeting the people and getting her flier out there and getting the information and meeting the citizens of Aruba, and if they have any questions or if they have any information and always thinking and planning, What could I do next, and just constant, Greta.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think that she's still alive?
HOLLOWAY: I believe that Natalee is still alive until God tells me otherwise because all I know right now is, the last time I saw my daughter, my daughter is alive, and I know she is here. And until God tells me otherwise, Greta, absolutely. I have all the hope and faith and belief that my daughter is alive.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159779,00.html
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Like I said I dont think the Netherlands is taking over to finally get to the bottom of the answers in Mountain Brook or to arrest Beth just cuz you cant stand her.
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[quote="gagal_05"] | plhtx1 wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba.[/quot
I think you are talking about Nat's behavior for Fri., Sat., Sun. and just part of Thurs. That's really not a week. |
You are really obsessed with the number of days of the trip. What difference does it make! |
I think there is a big difference of nonstop partying in 3 days versuses 5 days. Also, less time to live up to all the rumors, (missing breakfast, having breakfast with casino employee, meeting blue-eyed dutch boy, shopping for jewelry, hittning C&C every night, snorkeling trip)
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| JD wrote: | | Like I said I dont think the Netherlands is taking over to finally get to the bottom of the answers in Mountain Brook or to arrest Beth just cuz you cant stand her. |
Nah.
Being a bitch or an asshole is not, unfortunately, a crime.
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| JennyM wrote: | | JD wrote: | | Like I said I dont think the Netherlands is taking over to finally get to the bottom of the answers in Mountain Brook or to arrest Beth just cuz you cant stand her. |
Nah.
Being a bitch or an asshole is not, unfortunately, a crime. |
Nope, it isnt.
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[quote="plhtx1"] | gagal_05 wrote: | | plhtx1 wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba.[/quot
I think you are talking about Nat's behavior for Fri., Sat., Sun. and just part of Thurs. That's really not a week. |
You are really obsessed with the number of days of the trip. What difference does it make! |
I think there is a big difference of nonstop partying in 3 days versuses 5 days. Also, less time to live up to all the rumors, (missing breakfast, having breakfast with casino employee, meeting blue-eyed dutch boy, shopping for jewelry, hittning C&C every night, snorkeling trip) |
And she didn't have to go visit the school nurse either
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[quote="Knot"] | plhtx1 wrote: | | gagal_05 wrote: | | plhtx1 wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba.[/quot
I think you are talking about Nat's behavior for Fri., Sat., Sun. and just part of Thurs. That's really not a week. |
You are really obsessed with the number of days of the trip. What difference does it make! |
I think there is a big difference of nonstop partying in 3 days versuses 5 days. Also, less time to live up to all the rumors, (missing breakfast, having breakfast with casino employee, meeting blue-eyed dutch boy, shopping for jewelry, hittning C&C every night, snorkeling trip) |
And she didn't have to go visit the school nurse either |
Knot, your bad!  
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| gagal_05 wrote: | | plhtx1 wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | FF--Rep Bachus and the DAs from B'mingham were at that meeting with ALE and representatives from Aruba and they pledged support for interviewing. There would have been nothing in the interim to change that. |
Yes, but will the kids even cooperate at this point? And *if* the investigators were to go to the various locations for interviews, the memory might be faded, if they chose to cooperate at all.
You just never know what detail might have been a relevant clue. Natalee's bahavior during the week, who she hung out with, locals, blue-eyed boy, etc. That all would have been good to know before the kids left Aruba. |
I think you are talking about Nat's behavior for Fri., Sat., Sun. and just part of Thurs. That's really not a week. |
You are really obsessed with the number of days of the trip. What difference does it make! |
As if 3 days of whoring, drinking, and drugging versus 5 days means anything.
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Do you realize that if they start over and its the Dutch leading the investigation, we might have another year of things to talk about?
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| victims cry wrote: | | Do you realize that if they start over and its the Dutch leading the investigation, we might have another year of things to talk about? |
how very polite of them to consider us! ;}
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| reddog wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | | Do you realize that if they start over and its the Dutch leading the investigation, we might have another year of things to talk about? |
how very polite of them to consider us! ;} |
LOL!
It's all about us!
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| pax wrote: | | reddog wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | | Do you realize that if they start over and its the Dutch leading the investigation, we might have another year of things to talk about? |
how very polite of them to consider us! ;} |
LOL!
It's all about us! |
REFUGEES!!!!!!!!
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