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Lazlo
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:33 pm |
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At this point I don't believe anything anymore
Somehow at this moment I tend to not believe almost anything that has been claimed anymore.
This is why; Natalee went missing on a small island, about the same seize as some Dutch islands.
Everyone knows everyone there (sort of) for example when a car is stolen it is found within 2 hours.
The same goes for Aruba, since it is so small, people everywhere, more so security guards all over the island 24/7 it seems that it is impossible that anyone could have taken Natalee of that beach, murder her, take her from the beach to a car without anyone noticing, and hide her in such a way for the military, search teams, F16's unable to find her.
I also wonder what the motive would be for anyone to murder her.
If an accident happened, why would anyone want to cover that up, much less be able to do so, in such a way for no one; the military, search teams, F16's unable to find her untill today?
Every inch of the island is searched, the reward is huge, but nothing, no trace, no crime-scene, no evidence that a crime ever took place, no trace of Natalee, no witnesses, no nothing.
I tend to believe at this point Natalee is of the island, perhaps she just took Haleigh Uncaper's sister's passport to leave the island in an unnoticed way and took of to Europe.
In posession of her drivers-licence she can apply for a new passport, and if for example she claims abuse Dutch autorities will protect her, she can change her looks, and just live her life in Europe.
Even the FBI does not list her as a missing person, just "information wanted".
I don't know if she took Haleigh Uncaper's sister's passport, but it has been mentioned that sister is a look-a-like, many Natalee sightings took place when that sister walked around Aruba after Natalee went missing.
Maybe Natalee and Haleigh were close, maybe they helped her, it is not that hard for the sister to obtain another passport if she claims she lost her purse or whatever.
I don't know if the family knows, I do think they know she is alive.
Beth's interest in Natalee's roomkey records of that night contradicts the "she never made it back" claim, I am sure Beth and friends of Natalee know she did make it back.
Perhaps she took an early flight (as being the first one up), and was on a plane to Europe even before she was reported missing.
Beth was determined to find her daughter, and came up with the kidnapping story in an attempt to get the help she wanted.
I don't think an accident took place on Aruba, I don't believe she was murdered either. IMO
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| BhamMom
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:46 pm |
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Lazlo,
About the only think left to believe is that Natalee is still missing. 
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| Lazlo
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:50 pm |
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| BhamMom wrote: | Lazlo,
About the only think left to believe is that Natalee is still missing. |
Maybe she does not want to be found, and is doing ok somewhere.
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| Siddalee
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:13 pm |
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Lazlo, I prefer to belief your idea over any of the other scenarios I've heard. I do know there are people on this board as well as several other boards, whose sole purpose is to twist things around in an effort to confuse people and discourage them. I just will not listen to them. I am not on the fence and have a belief, as you do, about what happened. There really is no sense in bringing up the same ole - same old - over and over again, and beat it to death. I'm sticking with what I think until I see absolute proof otherwise.
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| Mytake
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:18 pm |
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I'm with you on this Lazlo. I have always believed Nat ran, is still alive and that Beth always knew it and Dave found out at a later date.
This maybe one of the reasons why interpol is getting involved....
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| resigned
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:21 pm |
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I don't believe anyone either. If everyone collectively knew as much as they claimed, there isn't a reason why this hasn't been figured out by now. I hope she is alive somwhere.
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| Siddalee
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 10:34 pm |
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I don't believe anyone either at this point.
[edited so the thread would not be sidetracked.]
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| BhamMom
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Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:21 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | I don't believe anyone either. If everyone collectively knew as much as they claimed, there isn't a reason why this hasn't been figured out by now. I hope she is alive somwhere. |
Pathenry,
Think about cancer. As much money and time that has been spent on research, you would think there would be a cure for all types of cancer. Then again, look at the people making money off the research. If they found a cure, would it be made public? A cure means no funding for research.
Put Natalee in the places I used cancer, search for research. Look at the money that is being made off the disappearance of Natalee. If she was found, the money would no longer be given. Found as in dead or alive.
Will we ever know?
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| resigned
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:09 am |
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| BhamMom wrote: | | resigned wrote: | | I don't believe anyone either. If everyone collectively knew as much as they claimed, there isn't a reason why this hasn't been figured out by now. I hope she is alive somwhere. |
Pathenry,
Think about cancer. As much money and time that has been spent on research, you would think there would be a cure for all types of cancer. Then again, look at the people making money off the research. If they found a cure, would it be made public? A cure means no funding for research.
Put Natalee in the places I used cancer, search for research. Look at the money that is being made off the disappearance of Natalee. If she was found, the money would no longer be given. Found as in dead or alive.
Will we ever know? |
Good analogy and good question. Being the beneficiary of some mighty fine research, I'd like to think yes. However, there does seem to be many influential and powerful entities involved in this case that finding the answer to What Happened to Natalee Holloway, may not outweigh the moolah that is being raked in.
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| JennyM
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:12 am |
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What is all this loot that is being raked in?
When do you think it was the last time someone donated to the NH fund?
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| BhamMom
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:18 am |
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| JennyM wrote: | What is all this loot that is being raked in?
When do you think it was the last time someone donated to the NH fund? |
We know for a fact on August 12th? Wasn't that the Natalee Run?
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| JennyM
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:34 am |
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Which probly raised like $100 and got poofed for lack of participation? That one?
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| BhamMom
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:50 am |
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| JennyM wrote: | | Which probly raised like $100 and got poofed for lack of participation? That one? |
Jenny,
Are you Beth's personal assistant? 
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| Isanah
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:53 am |
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| JennyM wrote: | | Which probly raised like $100 and got poofed for lack of participation? That one? |
Is that why Beth didn't participate in the run? It wasn't worthy of her time?
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| JennyM
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:58 am |
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| BhamMom wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | Which probly raised like $100 and got poofed for lack of participation? That one? |
Jenny,
Are you Beth's personal assistant? |
Hell, no. Why would you ask that?
But, really, you know that run didn't make any money.
Other than the original NH Fund at AmTrust, what have been the other money-makers since?
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| BhamMom
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:22 am |
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| JennyM wrote: | | BhamMom wrote: | | JennyM wrote: | | Which probly raised like $100 and got poofed for lack of participation? That one? |
Jenny,
Are you Beth's personal assistant? |
Hell, no. Why would you ask that?
But, really, you know that run didn't make any money.
Other than the original NH Fund at AmTrust, what have been the other money-makers since? |
The fund is still open for donations.
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| grantbk
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:00 am |
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Seems every thread ends up in a totally different direction from the beginning!
Lazlo posts something very interesting, plausible scenario, and one person manages to sidetrack it all with arguing. Who gives a crap about how much money is not coming in at the moment!
Think Natalee left absolutely no trace from a small Island, and no one saw a thing.
Is she in Europe, or in Quebec as Tho believes? Since Natalee had been to Switzerland before, it's possible she had acquaintances there, and a place of refuge.
Interpol has become involved. That means something. The card key, missing videos, etc. What is Beth hiding? Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law?
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| reddog
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:01 am |
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| grantbk wrote: | Seems every thread ends up in a totally different direction from the beginning!
Lazlo posts something very interesting, plausible scenario, and one person manages to sidetrack it all with arguing. Who gives a crap about how much money is not coming in at the moment!
Think Natalee left absolutely no trace from a small Island, and no one saw a thing.
Is she in Europe, or in Quebec as Tho believes? Since Natalee had been to Switzerland before, it's possible she had acquaintances there, and a place of refuge.
Interpol has become involved. That means something. The card key, missing videos, etc. What is Beth hiding? Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law? |
her favorite site?
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| grantbk
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:57 am |
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| reddog wrote: | | grantbk wrote: | Seems every thread ends up in a totally different direction from the beginning!
Lazlo posts something very interesting, plausible scenario, and one person manages to sidetrack it all with arguing. Who gives a crap about how much money is not coming in at the moment!
Think Natalee left absolutely no trace from a small Island, and no one saw a thing.
Is she in Europe, or in Quebec as Tho believes? Since Natalee had been to Switzerland before, it's possible she had acquaintances there, and a place of refuge.
Interpol has become involved. That means something. The card key, missing videos, etc. What is Beth hiding? Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law? |
her favorite site? |
BlogsforNatalee, no?
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| reddog
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:08 am |
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| grantbk wrote: | | reddog wrote: | | grantbk wrote: | Seems every thread ends up in a totally different direction from the beginning!
Lazlo posts something very interesting, plausible scenario, and one person manages to sidetrack it all with arguing. Who gives a crap about how much money is not coming in at the moment!
Think Natalee left absolutely no trace from a small Island, and no one saw a thing.
Is she in Europe, or in Quebec as Tho believes? Since Natalee had been to Switzerland before, it's possible she had acquaintances there, and a place of refuge.
Interpol has become involved. That means something. The card key, missing videos, etc. What is Beth hiding? Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law? |
her favorite site? |
BlogsforNatalee, no? |
who is "her"?
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| grantbk
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:38 am |
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Reddog, you may be in the dog house soon. I think you know what i meant by "her".
A quote from my post:
| Quote: | What is Beth hiding?
Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law? |
The leading sentence of that paragraph began with Beth, so is it difficult to envision that subsequent "hers" would be Beth?
Never mind, back to Where is Natalee?
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| reddog
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:22 am |
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| grantbk wrote: | Reddog, you may be in the dog house soon. I think you know what i meant by "her".
A quote from my post:
| Quote: | What is Beth hiding?
Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law? |
The leading sentence of that paragraph began with Beth, so is it difficult to envision that subsequent "hers" would be Beth?
Never mind, back to Where is Natalee? |
nope. the "paragraph" as it was, began with "Think Natalee left absolutely no trace from a small Island, and no one saw a thing. ".
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| all10suspects
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:23 am |
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If you think Natalee is alive the why does Dompig think she o/d and the boys are guilty as hell? Why would a cop say those things? If Dompig never said anything then maybe you can say Natalee ran away but when the one time lead cop says something like that on TV that I have a tough time believing Natalee ran way.
I also hope that the new Dutch team coming does a better job then the Boulder, Colorado Police department. For 10 years they thought the family did it kind of like this case where some think the family did it or the victim ran away.
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| Casara
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:32 am |
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| all10suspects wrote: | If you think Natalee is alive the why does Dompig think she o/d and the boys are guilty as hell? Why would a cop say those things? If Dompig never said anything then maybe you can say Natalee ran away but when the one time lead cop says something like that on TV that I have a tough time believing Natalee ran way.
I also hope that the new Dutch team coming does a better job then the Boulder, Colorado Police department. For 10 years they thought the family did it kind of like this case where some think the family did it or the victim ran away. |
very well said.
Those are exactly the statements DOMPIG MADE. Why? Now, why is he gone? Who exactly IS IN CHARGE in Aruba? Does anyone really know?
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| Mytake
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Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:50 am |
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[quote="grantbk"]Seems every thread ends up in a totally different direction from the beginning!
Lazlo posts something very interesting, plausible scenario, and one person manages to sidetrack it all with arguing. Who gives a crap about how much money is not coming in at the moment!
Think Natalee left absolutely no trace from a small Island, and no one saw a thing.
Is she in Europe, or in Quebec as Tho believes? Since Natalee had been to Switzerland before, it's possible she had acquaintances there, and a place of refuge.
Interpol has become involved. That means something. The card key, missing videos, etc. What is Beth hiding? Why is her favorite site posting wasted admissions unsigned by the suspects, and with poor translations, that were possibly discarded papers where LE may have put their own scenarios on, useless for a court of law?[/quote]
Beth knows that many powerful people and authorities are onto her bullshaloney scam and feels the only way to handle things at this point is to now lay low and make it appear as though she is moving on. But her real agenda is to make herself appear as a 'victim of a misinformation campaign' from absolutely every person who provided her with 'false and unsigned documents'. That she was being 'used' by the Arubans, the media etc. etc....She will use the 'grieving mother, I was too stressed to realize, I trusted everyone' angle to gather sympathy from the US public when shit hits the fan!! (JMHO  )
Oh yes, I do believe Nat ran and hope she is safe and happy. Who'd want to come back home to this crap?? What a mess!
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