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| justamom wrote: | chillin she did look in the bakery and did ask alot of old people if theyd seen her  |
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If tourist girls disappear for days in Aruba all the time as ALE defenders claim why was Natalee's disappearance being reported in the morning papers there only 24 hours later. Typically something doesn't get reported unless it is unusual.
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| Shizaru wrote: | | If girls disappear for days in Aruba all the time as ALE defenders claim why was Natalee's disappearance being reported in the morning papers there only 24 hours later. Typically something doesn't get reported unless it is unusual. |
Don't be ignorant, just because some tourists do not arive back at their hotel for any reason does not mean that the newspapers are not going to publish it or it's not gonna be in any newscast. Sometimes it helps getting them back, even though they do not want to go back.
The unusual part was Beth and entourage's behavior.
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| Shizaru wrote: | | If tourist girls disappear for days in Aruba all the time as ALE defenders claim why was Natalee's disappearance being reported in the morning papers there only 24 hours later. Typically something doesn't get reported unless it is unusual. |
I understand the problem after being there and talking to quite a few people. If someone is missing on Aruba, that is baffling. Where they did go? They truly don't believe that "something bad happened." It is not within their experience. Nobody goes anywhere that they don't show up.
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How many other Aruban newspaper reports are there of other tourist girls who had been missing for 24 hours, and subsequently were found. I'd like to see them. I doubt there are very many if any. This girls go missing all the time excuse is bullshit. Furthermore in Natalee's case not only had she been gone without a trace for 24 hours- in fact ALE still weren't taking her disappearance seriously more than 48 hours later- there were other big flashing warning signs: She had also missed her group flight home and was last seen in a dangerous situation. Any even halfway competent police force would have realized there was a good chance of foul play here and erred on the side of caution. But ALE were too stupid, lazy, and blinded by their prejudiced stereotypes of tourist girls.
And if it was in the morning papers on Tuesday, Beth had only been on the island at most few hours when the papers went to press, Natalee's disappearance had to have already been determined to be newsworthy before she even landed.
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| Heli
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Her bestest friends and chaperones didn't perceive
her to have been in a dangerous situation. If they
had, someone would have taken steps to locate the
silver Honda and get Natalee to return to her group.
The truth is, none of them gave a flying fig about
Natalee and for whatever reason, notwithstanding
she left with 3 boys she just met, not one of them
gave her a second thought until they woke up the
next morning and she didn't seem to be anywhere.
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| MF
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| Shizaru wrote: | How many other Aruban newspaper reports are there of other tourist girls who had been missing for 24 hours, and subsequently were found. I'd like to see them. I doubt there are very many if any. This girls go missing all the time excuse is bullshit. Furthermore in Natalee's case not only had she been gone without a trace for 24 hours- in fact ALE still weren't taking her disappearance seriously more than 48 hours later- there were other big flashing warning signs: She had also missed her group flight home and was last seen in a dangerous situation. Any even halfway competent police force would have realized there was a good chance of foul play here and erred on the side of caution. But ALE were too stupid, lazy, and blinded by their prejudiced stereotypes of tourist girls.
And if it was in the morning papers on Tuesday, Beth had only been on the island at most few hours when the papers went to press, Natalee's disappearance had to have already been determined to be newsworthy before she even landed. |
You can search for them, unfortunately for you, not on the internet. I have read all your postings from the beginning, so I know that it will be impossible for me to try to talk/post/interact like an adult with a conspiracy loving boycott promoting full of hate and close minded freak like you. You have your reputation, I am sorry, I do not go that low.
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Didn't Shelby or Bachus fire of some quick notes to Aruba or make some calls within 24 hours to get the ball rolling. There should be a notation in the files somewhere of one of them applauding the instant cooperation of the Aruban government in this highly strategic matter.
The "kidnapping" that is.
Just before the elections one might also add.
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| jenna wrote: | So far in summary:
MF read it in the newspaper on Tuesday
Heard Beth go on television to ask Natalee to call her occurring on Tuesday at night. |
It would be very interesting to read Julia's exact account of these first few days.
Were Beth/Jug/Posse looking for a defiant teen? Kidnapped teen? Crime victim teen?
Julia is privy to the dynamic and nuances of the initial group.
Were they confident with the information they had when they first set foot on Aruba? Was Joran the direct line they took or a morphed assault?
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| Shizaru wrote: | How many other Aruban newspaper reports are there of other tourist girls who had been missing for 24 hours, and subsequently were found. I'd like to see them. I doubt there are very many if any. This girls go missing all the time excuse is bullshit. Furthermore in Natalee's case not only had she been gone without a trace for 24 hours- in fact ALE still weren't taking her disappearance seriously more than 48 hours later- there were other big flashing warning signs: She had also missed her group flight home and was last seen in a dangerous situation. Any even halfway competent police force would have realized there was a good chance of foul play here and erred on the side of caution. But ALE were too stupid, lazy, and blinded by their prejudiced stereotypes of tourist girls.
And if it was in the morning papers on Tuesday, Beth had only been on the island at most few hours when the papers went to press, Natalee's disappearance had to have already been determined to be newsworthy before she even landed. |
Why didn't they call ALE before they left Alabama if they believed she was in a dangerous situation? Why did they not go directly to ALE when they arrived? Why didn't her step-cousins stay on the island to make a statement to ALE in the interim, before the rest of the family arrived, and then help retrace where Natalee had been the night before as well as the entire vacation?
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| Quote: | Her bestest friends and chaperones didn't perceive
her to have been in a dangerous situation. |
Yeah they did, Heli. They called out to her not to go with the boys, but to go back with the group.
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| Quote: | | Why didn't they call ALE before they left Alabama if they believed she was in a dangerous situation? |
That will always remain as a truly weird thing. Why didn't they?
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| JennyM wrote: | | Quote: | Her bestest friends and chaperones didn't perceive
her to have been in a dangerous situation. |
Yeah they did, Heli. They called out to her not to go with the boys, but to go back with the group. |
By most accounts I read, Deepak stopped the car, only one person yelled at Natalee to get out, if her friends really thought she was in a dangerous situation at that time, then why didn't they block the car and pull her from it?...it was stopped. Why didn't they also contact the ALE or at least a chaperone as soon as they got back to the hotel? I think she went willingly and there seems to have been only one person that was ticked about it. Who is the person that yelled? And why is it such a secret?
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[quote="resigned" I think she went willingly and there seems to have been only one person that was ticked about it. Who is the person that yelled? And why is it such a secret?[/quote] find the "one person that was ticked about it"... and then find the person that "yelled" the answers lie with the ticked off person that may or may not have yelled...
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here is Nilton (LACLE) on the subject: Monday afternoon
andrea j.
Aruba Expert Join Date: April 15th, 2004
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Re: HELP - POLICE?! how to contact?!
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From Richard's site
NILTON says
"nilton says"
Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject:
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Hello folks, sorry for my late reply regarding the Natalee Missing issue.
We've been very busy at the Newspaper this week, and HELPING the local authorities with information. You can not imagine how many phone calls the Diario newspaper receives, with people giving information. Somehow, the local community like to give information first to the newspaper, and then to police.
We have a constant contact with the Police. In my 19 years working for the press, I've never seen the Aruban Police Force so involved in this case. If they do not know something, they call us up to verify something. Even the FBI Officer came by our office.
A special Investigation Team has been put together to work 24 hrs. per day on finding Natalee. It seems that now, a Reward is being offered for her safe return.
What happened during these last days/hours?
>Police went to check on a Catamaran to check a girl fitting the description, but she was not Natalee.
>Police searched a home in the Malmok area, after receiving a tip. But it was a false alarm.
>Police also searched another home, but it turned out to be false too.
>Tourists themselves are helping out posting flyers. Some locals and cab-drivers are on the lookout everywhere for her.
>Police checking with Windjammer Barefoot Cruises, because their ship left the Oranjestad dock on Monday evening 10:00 pm. Could she have slipped unnoticed on board?
>A couple of tourist, rented a couple of Quadracers and searched around the 'desert area', and other parts of the island.
>Her mother went on some Radio Stations, and pleaded for the safe return of Natalee. (Natalee's nick-name is "Tootee").
>Her mother denied on air, that her relationship with her daughter is on rocky waters. This eliminates some rumors.
>It seems that authorities are somehow focusing more on the "northwest corner" of Aruba.
>The Police Helicopter is doing some air searches too.
I must say that the Press in Aruba did not "hide" this information!! It is not true! It was already broadcasted Monday afternoon and early Monday evening at the TV Stations. (Their newscast here begins at 7:30 pm).
>>>It was even printed on the front-page of the english language "The News" on Monday afternoon!!!<<<
Heck, we do not know why the editor of "Aruba Today" received notifications until Monday at 11:00 pm. Didn't she watch any TV or listen to radio that day, or read The News?
Some other information:
Kimba423 wrote:
I dont know if this group of seniors where staying at the HI BUT while we were there last week, staying at the HI, a group of 150+ kids came and let me tell you they were WILD WILD WILD I seen NO chaperones whatsoever....
Yes Diane, your are right. This group stayed at Holiday Inn SunSpree Resort. We've also heard that the Police received this notification too, about the "Wild Behavior".
I just saw 2 detectives working on this case. This is a week where they hardly get any sleep! But they are doing their best. They have only one task ahead: Find Natalee!
Sorry, got to go...
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here is the link: http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=2
and here is nilton: http://www.nilton.net/nilton.htm
NILTON IS AN EDITOR AT DIARIO
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why didn't ruth
call joran on her cell phone?
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GRANNY TOAD
never liked this topic.
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An old cut and paste and saved to a .txt file that I found in my saved files...
http://exposetheleft.com/wp-mobile.php?p=1628&more=1
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The first week of natalee’s missing a local radio called Natalee’s mother and talked to her about it.And she said in the program that Natalee called her at 4:00am in the morning.This week the mother of natalee went to the same radio studio and talked.the listeners were allowed to ask her questions regarding her daughter.Someone asked her if it was true that natalee called her at 4:00am the morning she vanished, she said no…..odd huh? the local tv channel also past it , and trust me she looked mighty nervous!(_)
Comment by Geri July 13, 2005 @ 9:37 pm
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Geri, so Beth was now denying saying that she got a phone call at 3-4 am?
I remember her saying in one of the very first interviews she did; she remembered the timeframe too, which was 3 or 4 am. Well, Aruba is an hour ahead (which would mean the call came at 4-5 am Aruba time), and this closes the window on Joran being a killer considerably since he had to be home by 6 to get ready for school. Supposedly there was a frantic message to one of her friends, but that was when the friend’s phone was off for the flight home (wait, isn’t the flight the next day?) I remember her saying the call was made from Natalee’s phone; when the phone was found in the hotel room (which backed up Joran’s story of leaving her to walk home alone) there was a rented or borrowed phone that came into play which got the boat guy thrown in the clink.
Her mother stated she never had a boyfriend, in direct contradiction of the friends and Natalee’s aunt. I suspect Beth only thinks she knows her child…how close can they be if the aunt knows of her boyfriend but mom does not?
Pam, I think the reason many of us sound judgmental is because not all the avenues had been investigated. Not sure of Joran’s innocence or guilt but seems like they are looking for someplace to put the blame. Natalee’s mom and stepdad have told conflicting and changing stories as well, but no one bats an eyelash at that. For all we know THEY could be the killers…and need a scapegoat (there have been a lot of wacky rumors floating (most anti-Joran) but one was a large insurance policy on the girl’s life); who better than the last guy she was seen with? A conviction guarantees a payoff without a body.
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Yes skepticynic. She denied saying that natalee phoned her. But she did confirmed that in the first week.On the interview with beth she seemed mighty nervous.as if she’s hiding something.Am not judging. am just saying what we heard.Some other rumour was that Nigeria confirmed a Natalee Holloway staying there.Another was that our local bank confirmed natalee using her credit card.Another one is that Beth and the family casino almost everynight.i dont know there is so much rumours that is jeapordizing the whole situation.
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| Shizaru wrote: | How many other Aruban newspaper reports are there of other tourist girls who had been missing for 24 hours, and subsequently were found. I'd like to see them. I doubt there are very many if any. This girls go missing all the time excuse is bullshit. Furthermore in Natalee's case not only had she been gone without a trace for 24 hours- in fact ALE still weren't taking her disappearance seriously more than 48 hours later- there were other big flashing warning signs: She had also missed her group flight home and was last seen in a dangerous situation. Any even halfway competent police force would have realized there was a good chance of foul play here and erred on the side of caution. But ALE were too stupid, lazy, and blinded by their prejudiced stereotypes of tourist girls.
And if it was in the morning papers on Tuesday, Beth had only been on the island at most few hours when the papers went to press, Natalee's disappearance had to have already been determined to be newsworthy before she even landed. |
Or, one could wonder just WHO and WHEN it was that contacted WHAT newspaper about the news of the missing girl. Would be interesting to find out if it was Diario that printed the story the earliest since hasn't it been said that the mother herself (the one who was picked up at the HI and brought to the Polis station on that morning of Tuesday, MAY 31, 2005 and kept waiting, 3 hours (??)) did in fact go to Aruba Today and ask for their help sometime that same day? hhhmmmmm?????
Edit to change month, DUH.
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| CancunMole wrote: | | Shizaru wrote: | How many other Aruban newspaper reports are there of other tourist girls who had been missing for 24 hours, and subsequently were found. I'd like to see them. I doubt there are very many if any. This girls go missing all the time excuse is bullshit. Furthermore in Natalee's case not only had she been gone without a trace for 24 hours- in fact ALE still weren't taking her disappearance seriously more than 48 hours later- there were other big flashing warning signs: She had also missed her group flight home and was last seen in a dangerous situation. Any even halfway competent police force would have realized there was a good chance of foul play here and erred on the side of caution. But ALE were too stupid, lazy, and blinded by their prejudiced stereotypes of tourist girls.
And if it was in the morning papers on Tuesday, Beth had only been on the island at most few hours when the papers went to press, Natalee's disappearance had to have already been determined to be newsworthy before she even landed. |
Or, one could wonder just WHO and WHEN it was that contacted WHAT newspaper about the news of the missing girl. Would be interesting to find out if it was Diario that printed the story the earliest since hasn't it been said that the mother herself (the one who was picked up at the HI and brought to the Polis station on that morning of Tuesday, May 31, 2005 and kept waiting, 3 hours (??)) did in fact go to Aruba Today and ask for their help sometime that same day? hhhmmmmm????? |
In those tumultuous first days, Beth's most valuable allies were Julia Renfro, the 37-year-old American-born editor of an English-language daily, Aruba Today, and one of her reporters, Angela Munzenhofer, a tough-talking American whose family runs one of the island's popular restaurants. When Beth walked into the paper's office the day after she arrived, Renfro, a statuesque blonde, stopped the presses to run a front-page photograph of Natalee.
http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/060102roco01?page=6
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Gagal_05: Could you please change the month from June to MAY in my portion of your post (above) too? TIA
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| CancunMole wrote: | | Gagal_05: Could you please change the month from June to MAY in my portion of your post (above) too? TIA |
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From: "Rhonda" <rlbj____>
Subject: OT - need your prayers
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:51:22 -0500
Please forgive this very off-topic post, but I've come to think of so many of you as friends, and I need your emotional support.
Those of you in America have now probably heard the news of a young Alabama woman now missing in Aruba. Natalee was on a senior trip with my daughter and 100 other recent graduates from our high school (and chaperones). In the predawn hours Sunday morning, Natalee was apparently kidnapped. It has been four days with no word of her, and our community is devastated.
My daughter was one of the last to see Natalee before she got in a car with a young man she'd befriended. He and his friends offered her a ride back to the resort from the bar they had all been visiting. Natalee had been getting along famously with the fellow, who told her he was a Dutch tourist. She was never seen after she got in his car.
The police were able to easily identify the guy off surveillance tape because he was actually NOT any tourist but actually a local drug dealer He was questioned but released, sticking to a story that he had dropped Natalee off at the hotel as promised. However, a search of the hotel surveillance tape shows she never entered the hotel grounds.
We have been told unofficially that police believe Natalee was turned over to a human trafficking ring operating out of Venezuela, a group known for kidnapping girls visiting or living on the Caribbean islands and smuggling them elsewhere for forced prostitution. As horrifying as this is, we are holding on to this as a hope because it means she may still be alive somewhere.
Although this apparently happens all the time on some of the islands, it is said to be rare in Aruba and many locals were slow to believe the story. They now have enough confirmation from officials to know it's for real and many are helping with the search.
My daughter was in the same bar at the same time near the same people. My agony is searing as it could so easily have been my child. It could have been my own precious daughter who is lost to us. My grief is almost as great as if it had been. Natalee is a very special girl and such a valued part of so many aspects of our little town.
There are links to this story on the internet.
We will all appreciate your prayers.
Sincerely,
Rhonda
Mountain Brook
(Birmingham) AL
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So the MB gang thinks Joran was a Dutch tourist. When did Natalee find out Joran was a local and wanted to see his house? When did Joran have time to talk to Natalee and tell her that he lives on the island? They had 30 minutes at C&C. If Natalee friends thinks Joran is a tourst staying at their hotel then why could Natalee think he was staying at the hotel and getting a rid back with him? After all the MB gang and Joran were at the casino for a while so why would Natalee think different?
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Natalee (speaking loudly over music and noise): Hi, I'm Natalee
Joran: Hi, I'm Joran
N: So, I saw you at the HI Casino, are you staying there?
J: No, I live on Aruba
N: Oh, do you have a big house?
---How long did that take?
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