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Helen
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:54 pm |
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Joran June 24 Statements
PROCES – VERBAAL
We, Ghrizanti Anuar TROMP and Marcelino Antonio Gregory RAS respectively officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and both attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) declare the following.
On June 24th 2005, at approximately 10.00 hours, we, the reporting officers, went to the correctional facility Aruba to pick up suspect "Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT" to be questioned.
There we, the reporting officers, were informed by the watch-commander on duty of the KIA that the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT refused to go with us.
The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT talked to us subsequently, and informed us that he did not want to go with us to the police station in Oranjestad to make a statement.
The suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT gave us as a reason:
- he would only go with us, the reporting officers if is father was released;
- that his mother and his lawyer had advised him on behalf of his father to not make any more statements and to invoke his right to not make statements;
- that he would receive a message from his father's lawyer when he should make statements;
- that according to his lawyer, if he would stop making statements, his father would be released in two days;
- that he listens to his families advise;
- that the lawyers "Antonio CARLO" and "OOMEN" are good friends of his father
- that these two lawyers out of friendship with is father would defend them
- that he know that if he would make a statement he could bring his father into trouble
- that his father suffers from bad memory and that because of that his and his fathers statements would not correspond
- that his father even can't remember what kind of clothes he himself wore the day before
- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds
- that he wished the police would leave his friends and family alone/stop bothering his family and friends
- that he would only answer new questions asked by investigators
- that his lawyer had advised him only to make statements in his presence
- that his lawyer had started a lawsuit so that he would only make a statement with the lawyer present
- that he wouldn't come with us today because his mother would be visiting him at 14.00 hours that day
- that if he gets a visit from his mother he would discuss making another statement with her
- that only if his father, by way of his lawyer would say he should make a statement he would do so
- that he was waiting for the statement of his father and after that make another statement.
Of this, we, the reporting officers, on our oath of office, have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 24th 2005.
The reporting officers,
S.A. TROMP M.A.G. RAS
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| Helen
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PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "K" and whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. Ik know the girl named "K". I do not know K's last name. I had a sexual relation with her but I do not remember the time period. (With Karen we mean the witness "K.M (admin edit)"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw K. I saw that K went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that K was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "K" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies K and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that K and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked K if she could give me a "blow-job". K agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when K gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have a sexual relationship with K but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After K had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, K and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and K and me got into the back. When K and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "K". I do not know K's last name. I had a K to give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that K was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, K and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartement the 4 of us went inside the appartement. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and K drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartement with us. K and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. K and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask K if he and I could have sexual relations with K together. On Chato's request I asked K if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. K told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. K and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered K. After that I had taken my clothes off. K then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by K to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if K bled when I had sex with her. At no time did K say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of K when I had sex with her in my appartement. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After K and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with K three times. The first time I had sex with K was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day K and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with K for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day K stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that K would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "S", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "SB (admin edit of full name)", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with SB on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with S. While Freddy was having sex with S on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "R", I answer you the following. R was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is twelve (12) years old. Rs parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rs last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
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| JD
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:58 pm |
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Thank you Helen.
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| Absalom and Achitophel
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:06 pm |
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| Quote: | | I wanted to have a sexual relationship with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment |
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| victims cry
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:08 pm |
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ok now im ticked. I think the names of the girls should have been blacked out -last names.
So now these girls get to have their sexual explorations spread around aruba via this leaking??????
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| MF
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:09 pm |
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So from this Document we learn where the HMI got all the names of persons related or in connection to Joran and that they wanted to implicate in this cover and accuse them of raping, and killing Natalee are from. We need more documents.
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| Helen
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:14 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | ok now im ticked. I think the names of the girls should have been blacked out -last names.
So now these girls get to have their sexual explorations spread around aruba via this leaking??????
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I thought about upoading the docs to my own photobucket and doing that VC, but since everyone interested in this case knows where they're coming from (in this case BFN) and can read them there also, I didn't see the point in doing that.
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:17 pm |
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| MF wrote: | | So from this Document we learn where the HMI got all the names of persons related or in connection to Joran and that they wanted to implicate in this cover and accuse them of raping, and killing Natalee are from. We need more documents. |
Yep. We do.
I will reserve comment
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| victims cry
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:19 pm |
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| Helen wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | ok now im ticked. I think the names of the girls should have been blacked out -last names.
So now these girls get to have their sexual explorations spread around aruba via this leaking??????
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I thought about upoading the docs to my own photobucket and doing that VC, but since everyone interested in this case knows where they're coming from (in this case BFN) and can read them there also, I didn't see the point in doing that. |
i hadnt been referring to you Helen  but actually could you? at least we wont then be responsible for spreading the last names of minors. Hell maybe just make em initials. Anyone wants the full names for whatever reasons they can go to bfn to get em.
this really ticks me off. I dont even like the first name of a 12 year old out there. Especially since he was what? 15 when he was dating her? grrrrr.....
yeah i did like the "no condom'. As many of us said, its normal for european males and teens to think of safe sex. maybe that is one message we should copy over and over here. I hate it when teens think anyone is good enough in bed to die for. They arent. I promise.
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:26 pm |
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I am basically numb to released adresses at this point. Debbie has no credibility. She doesn't care about innocent minors caught up in this mess. She has a job to do.
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- that his lawyer had said that the police arrested his father because according to the police his father had picked him up in the late night hours of May 30th 2005 at McDonalds |
11 PM. Confirmed 4 am Bogus.
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| Helen
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:27 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | | i hadnt been referring to you Helen but actually could you? at least we wont then be responsible for spreading the last names of minors. Hell maybe just make em initials. Anyone wants the full names for whatever reasons they can go to bfn to get em. |
I know but I will
Just bear with, it's 4.25 a.m over here, way past bedtime so if I don't get them all right now it's due to my half closed eyes 
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| eleanor rigby
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:28 pm |
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Just my opinion but I would take this statement off RU. We don't have to do something just because BFN does. This has nothing to do with Natalee and only can hurt the youngsters involved.
Take the high road in this case, this statement.
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| sunmoonstars
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:34 pm |
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I am shocked that they are posting this garbage with the girls names intact. That is beyond disgusting!
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| ATA
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:34 pm |
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| eleanor rigby wrote: | Just my opinion but I would take this statement off RU. We don't have to do something just because BFN does. This has nothing to do with Natalee and only can hurt the youngsters involved.
Take the high road in this case, this statement. |
Agree..........No bearing on the case!!!
Atleast remove the names.b
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| Helen
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:41 pm |
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Didn't mean to upset anyone  I'm sorry...
Names are edited.
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:43 pm |
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| Helen wrote: | Didn't mean to upset anyone I'm sorry...
Names are edited. |
Thanks, Helen!!
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| victims cry
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:45 pm |
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| Helen wrote: | Didn't mean to upset anyone I'm sorry...
Names are edited. |
No problem Helen how were you to realize what was left in. Especially busy bringing them to us! much appreciated.
I agree with whoever said just bc they do it, we dont have to post the names.
So thanks for getting them out fo the jpgs!!!
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| sunmoonstars
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:47 pm |
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| Helen wrote: | Didn't mean to upset anyone I'm sorry...
Names are edited. |
Helen, I was not referring to you! I meant BFN posting them with those names. There is no excuse for what they are doing in the name of Natalee.
You did nothing but copy what they had already posted. Sorry if that wasn't clear. 
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| MoonShadows
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:56 pm |
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Well...the release of these documents on SM and BFN shows me thse people AND the family are all cut from the same cloth! HMI is doing a good job in releasing them over a period of days to get the biggest bang for the buck but it only shows that all the fuss the they made was for nothing and based on the lies that were innitially told.
Posting them without redacting the names of the girls sure shows a pattern of complete callousness...no regard for hurting innocent people (just like the call for the boycott) in their quest to make Joran appear in a bad light.
Whatever it takes...regardless who it hurts. Even if there is NO evidence Joran had anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee.
These people weren't standing in line when God passed out the decency gene.
Who raised these people?????
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| victims cry
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:56 pm |
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I guess this is what beth considers a sexual predator?  A teen who has sex with a girl, and is standing around the outside of a car when another guy has sex with a different girl. oh and EEK..he omg.. he asked his friends question re joining them, and omg, when k said no not a threesome the friend left!!
how many of us fucked under blankets in rooms with our buddies cause we had no where else at that age, and were feeling good. (and stupid enough to think no one could see at times too 
guess i was a sexual predator sighs. Night of my SAT's got drunk with my bf and asked if his brother felt like joining us.  I should have been arrested for being a predator  (i wont answer if he did or not!)
christ, are they all prudes, or havent they heard of teens doing wild and crazy things! im damned impressed they used condoms!
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| gagal_05
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All of this boils down to one thing, the Family is highly ticked because they lost in NY and now want to make sure that J2K and Aruba are forever tainted.
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:03 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | I guess this is what beth considers a sexual predator? A teen who has sex with a girl, and is standing around the outside of a car when another guy has sex with a different girl. oh and EEK..he omg.. he asked his friends question re joining them, and omg, when k said no not a threesome the friend left!!
how many of us fucked under blankets in rooms with our buddies cause we had no where else at that age, and were feeling good. (and stupid enough to think no one could see at times too
guess i was a sexual predator sighs. Night of my SAT's got drunk with my bf and asked if his brother felt like joining us. I should have been arrested for being a predator (i wont answer if he did or not!)
christ, are they all prudes, or havent they heard of teens doing wild and crazy things! im damned impressed they used condoms! |
They're not prudes, they are hypocrites. They'll claim to be outraged that a 17 year old boy thinks with a certain part of his body as if they have never heard of this before. They'll claim no teen they know would ever do anything like that. While those in the the real world knows that teen boys do what teen boys do. and teen boys think of one thing only. As do many teen girls.
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| reddog
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:03 pm |
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| gagal_05 wrote: | | All of this boils down to one thing, the Family is highly ticked because they lost in NY and now want to make sure that J2K and Aruba are forever tainted. |
tainted? how so?
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Thu Aug 10, 2006 10:05 pm |
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| gagal_05 wrote: | | All of this boils down to one thing, the Family is highly ticked because they lost in NY and now want to make sure that J2K and Aruba are forever tainted. |
You're right. Except that it seems to be backfiring doesn't it?
There is nothing in any of these statements that support anything that Beth has been claiming for the past year.
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| gagal_05
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| prolific wrote: | | gagal_05 wrote: | | All of this boils down to one thing, the Family is highly ticked because they lost in NY and now want to make sure that J2K and Aruba are forever tainted. |
You're right. Except that it seems to be backfiring doesn't it?
There is nothing in any of these statements that support anything that Beth has been claiming for the past year. |
It sure is backfiring, to most at least!
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