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JD
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Jorans June 14 Statement
Joran's June 14 Statement at BFN:
PROCES-VERBAAL (sixth statement of suspect)
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head officer and officer first class of the Aruban Police Force, first mentioned attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) and last mentioned attached to the section often occurring crime District 2, state the following.
On June 14th, at approximately 10.00 hours, we the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 in Aruba, for further information.
His statement was made in dutch and was transcribed by me, CROES and goes as follows,
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I , CROES, notified the suspect that he was not obliged to make a statement. I also informed him that this statement was being recorded on tape.
You have just old me that you wanted to ask me about times. I can state the following.
When we, on May 30th, stopped in Deepak's car in front of my house, it was about 01.40 am. At that moment in time Deepak, Satish, Natalee and myself were in Deepak's car.
When Natalee and myself were dropped off at the Marriot Hotel by Satish and Deepak it was approximately 01.50 am. After we were dropped off Natalee and myself walked to the beach in front of the Marriot Hotel. While we were walking I noticed there was sand in my shoes. I took off my shoes and my socks. I had placed my socks in my shoes and walked with my shoes in my hand further on the beach. Natalee and myself stood for a short while at the waters edge and kissed. At that moment in time Natalee told me that she liked Aruba. She also said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I told her that there were no sharks around Aruba. She kept on asking me where she was from. I had told her that I didn't know. Natalee asked me this about five or six times. Natalee also told me that she was really good at French kissing and that she wanted to stay alone with me and French kiss. Natalee then told me again that her mother was the sister of "Hitler". Then Natalee and myself started walking in the direction of the Holiday Inn Hotel. On the way there Natalee told me that she didn't want to go to the hotel but wanted to go into the other direction. So we turned around and walked into the other direction, meaning in a northerly direction. A little further along we sat down on the beach. It was close to the waters edge in front of the Marriot Hotel. There I had placed my shoes on the sand. We started French kissing and talking there. At some moment in time Natalee had told me that she wanted to go into another direction. We stayed about five (5) minutes on the beach in front of the Marriot Hotel. Then we stood up hand in hand.
After that we walked in the direction of Fisherman's Huts/ On the way there I told Natalee that the stars were beautiful. Natalee told me that there were no stars. I was walking on the side of the waters edge. We once French kissed with each other but that wasn't easy. It wasn't easy because we were walking. Natalee had asked me how far we were from the North Coast. I told Natalee that we weren't going to walk to the North Coast because it was too far away. I estimate that it took approximately about 4 to 5 minutes to walk from the Marriot to Fisherman's Huts.
When Natalee and myself arrived at the first building of Fisherman's Huts Natalee told me that we should go and sit on the beach. We sat down on the beach next to each other and then we had went on each other. We had dry sex with each other. I was lying on the sand she she was sitting on me and pretended like we were having sex. I had told Natalee that I didn't have any condoms on me. Natalee than said to me that it was better if we had no sex with each other. After that Natalee put her hand down my pants and masturbated me. I had then opened my trousers so that my penis could come out to make it easier. While Natalee was masturbating me she told me to tell her before I came so that I wouldn't come on her because she didn't want that to happen. Before I came I told her so. When I came, I came into my own hands. I stood up and washed my hands in the sea. I then walked back to Natalee and we continued to French kiss. I started feeling up her breasts and continued to finger her with two (2) fingers. I estimate that I fingered Natalee for about fifteen (15) minutes. At some point I thought I had been fingering her for long enough. I had stopped doing it and told Natalee that it was better to go back to her hotel. I also told her that I had to go to school in the morning hours. I had told Natalee to walk with me back to her hotel. Natalee answered me that she didn't want to go back to her hotel.
I had told her again that I had to go home. Natalee answered me that she wanted to stay there on the beach. After that I told her that I would walk to her hotel. I did this thinking that she would agree to that and that she would walk there with me to her hotel. Natalee then told me again that she did not want to go back to her hotel. Then I had enough of it that she didn't want to listen to me. I had lifted her up and started walking back to the hotel with her. Natalee told me to put her down. I did put her down. I thought to myself that's it and I called Deepak.
I had called Deepak, on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.00 am, on his mobile phone. It was May 30th 2005. I had asked Deepak how he was doing. He had told me that he was "on-line" and that he was chatting to people. I had told Deepak that the girl wouldn't listen and that she was sleeping on the beach. I asked Deepak if he would come and pick me up. Deepak further told me that he would come immediately to come and pick me up. The conversation lasted about 2 to 3 minutes. I had walked back to Natalee. She was still sleeping. I laid down next to her. At about 03.30 am Deepak came to Fisherman's Huts to pick me up. When I was sitting in the car I told Deepak that the girl was laying on the beach and that she was being annoying/irritating because she didn't want to go back to her hotel. Deepak asked me if I fucked her. I answered Deepak that I didn't because I didn't have a condom on me. Deepak also asked me what I was going to do with her. I had said to Deepak that she didn't want to go back to her hotel. I even told her that I lifted her up but that she didn't want me to bring her back to her hotel. Then Deepak said to me "don't fuck with that bitch" * that they will find her tomorrow on the beach. Then Deepak and me drove off towards home. What I can remark is that when we drove home the "Snack Truck" at "Fermins Bar" wasn't there. In the car I had....
* this is a literal translation but not the best translation. The best phrase to translate this is: "Don't bother about the bitch" or "F*** the bitch, let's go".
told Deepak that I left my shoes at the Marriot Hotel. Deepak told me not to worry that he would go back the next day and pick them up for me. I had left a pair of white and blue shoes of the make "K-Swiss", size "14" on the beach. These shoes I bought in the USA.
What I also can state is that during the drive Deepak told me that he had the next day off and that he didn't need to go to work. I had told Deepak that I did have school and that I was tired.
I was dropped off at my house by Deepak on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.45. When I was getting out I asked him if he would go "on-line" again. Deepak answered me that he would. I also told him that I would call him tomorrow. I had asked Deepak if he could pick up the shoes I left behind at the beach. Deepak told me that he would immediately go and get them. Then Deepak drove off.
To you question as to whether I had called someone or sent messages or received messages while I was with Natalee on the beach, I can state the following. I did not call anyone else but Deepak to come and pick me up. No-one called me. I had not sent or received messages on my mobile phone.
When I got home I took a shower. After showering I had turned on my TV and airco. I had installed my Multi-Media that I was going to take to school the next day. I had also gone into the living room to look for something to drink. I had turned on my computer. I had signed in to "MSN-MESSENGER". None of the people I regularly chat with were "on-line". It is possible I sent Deepak a message to come "on-line". I say this because Deepak told me during the confrontation
that I sent him a message. But I am not sure about that. I went to sleep after that.
On May 30th 2005, at approximately 03.45 am I went to sleep. At approximately 06.30, I woke up. Between 03.45 am and 06.30 am I talked to no-one on my mobile phone. At approximately 06.45 am I got on the bus. Between 06.30 am and 06.45 am I did not talk to anyone on my mobile phone. At approximately 08.00 am, I arrived at school on the bus. I had slept the entire time the bus took to get to school. During the ride to school I don't think I called anyone with my mobile phone. I do think that I had received a message from "Flor". I did not loan my phone out to anyone to make a phone call. I am sure of that. My school starts at 08.00 am and ends at 14.45 pm. During the hours between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm I do not think I called anybody. If I sent someone messages between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm than it could only have been to "Elaine" or "Flor" and nobody else.
On Monday, May 30th 2005, I did not talk to anyone at school about having left behind Natalee. Approximately 14.45 pm, I got back onto the school bus to be driven home. I arrived at home at approximately 16.00 pm. It is possible that I called someone or that someone called me. It is also possible that I sent or received messages. I am sure Satish didn't and Deepak it is possible. If I had talked to Deepak then I would have asked him what he had been doing that day or what he was going to do.
At approximately 17.00 pm, I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Between the hours of 16.00 pm and 17.00 pm, I had done my homework and also "chatted". I do not remember with who I chatted. It could be possible that I chatted to Deepak because he does that a lot from where he works. I am not sure about that.
Between the hours of 17.00 pm and 18.00 pm I was in the gym. I was talking there with "Koen" nickname "Cul". We spoke that it was cowardly/weak and that no one was there.
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My tennis lesson was between the hours of 18.00 pm and 19.00 pm. According to me I was not called by anyone during that time. I had also made no calls myself. Approximately 19.00 pm, I was ready with playing tennis. I showered in the clubhouse. After I had finised showering I got dressed. I do not remember what I put on that day. I was wearing a short trousers and a T-shirt. It looked pretty nice/proper. I also wore slippers. Then I called "Andre". I do not remember his phone number. Andre lives near the Marriot Hotel. We had agreed that we would meet at the Wyndham Hotel at approximately 20.00 pm to play poker. I had then also called Guido. Guido had told me that he had to go to work. He would come later and try to enter the tournament for half time. I had also called my father and asked if I could play poker at the Wyndham Casino. My father gave me permission.
At approximately 19.15 pm I left on foot for the Wyndham Hotel. I was alone. My tennis gear I had left behind the bar at the Raquet club. I had also removed my tennis shoes and left them in the bag behind. I had taken from my tennis bag a pair of slippers and walked away on those. From the clubhouse I walked in the direction of Salinja to the Marriot Hotel. I walked along the same route that Deepak had taken to drop off me and Natalee. At the beach of the Marriot I tried for a little while to
find my shoes. They were nowhere to be found. I looked for about two minutes. Then I walked over the beach to the Wyndham Hotel. On the way there I saw a lot of people. I did not go to Fisherman's Hut to see if Natalee was still lying there. I at that moment was more worried about the shoes that I had left behind because I was unaware that Natalee had gone missing. At approximately 19.45 pm I arrived at the Aruba Grant Hotel & Casino. I know the time because I was watching at he big watch of the Wyndham Hotel. Via the pool I walked to the casino. I had gone there because I had U.S. 20,- on me. I played at the U.S. 5,- minimum black jack table. I wanted to play there so I could win some money so I that, after the tournament, I could play cash games with Guido. I played for about 15 minutes. At the end of the game I had U.S. 20,- again. In the casino I spoke with a woman that works there. She knows my face and had told me that she had watched me play poker and that she thought I played well/good. She had then told me that it was 20.00 pm. I immediately walked to the Wyndham Hotel & Casino. At the Wyndham Hotel I walked in through the beach entrance and walked to the casino. In the casino I walked directly to the man called "Elvis". Elvis had U.S. 10,- for me. A week earlier I had lent him U.S. 10,-. I had gotten my U.S. 10,- from Elvis and went to register. The fee for registering was U.S. 10,-. I met Andre and his dad at the Casino. Andre and myself stayed inside the casino and walked around until the tournament started. The tournament started at 20.15 pm. I was at a table with ten (10) people. At the beginning of the game everyone had to give their registration receipt to the "Dealer". Thirty (30) minutes later I had lost. I then went to play black jack for about 15 minutes. I had won U.S. 30,-. With the U.S. 30,-
ETC...go see the rest at BFN.
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| iquitos
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Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:50 pm |
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geez
thanks jd
from a prurient standpoint his just gets worse. and most of it is believable, to ma at least.
who finally picked joran up?
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I havent even read it yet iquitos. Havent read Satish's latest either, just copied/pasted them
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[continued from Vivi's aborted copy and paste]
I went back to the poker game to play again. The second time I played poker I was in the game for about 1 hour. After an hour I had gone out. I stayed and waited for Andre because he was also losing. In the meantime I had called Guido. Guido had told me that he was nearly finished. At approximately 22.30, Guido arrived at the Wyndham Casino. Guido and myself went for a circular walk. After that Guido and myself walked to his car. His car was in the parking lot of the Wyndham Hotel. After that we drove to the Aruba Grant so that I could cash in my chips at the cashier. These were the chips that I had won earlier. Because it had turned eight o'clock earlier I had been unable to cash my chips then. Guido and myself played black jack in the Aruba Grant Casino for about 45 minutes. At the Aruba Grant I had won approximately U.S. 50,-. After that, at approximately 23.15 pm Guido and I arrived at the Radison Casino. I went to play poker. I was busy playing poker when I was called by Andre. He asked me where I was. I had told him that I was at the Radison Hotel. He told me he would come by there. Deepak had also asked me where I was. I told him that I was at the Radison Casino. Deepak told me that he would be there as soon as possible. At approximately 01.00 am Deepak came over to me. Andre was there too. I was on a roll. I played for about another hour. At approximately 02.00 am I stopped playing. I had "cashed out" my chips. Deepak wanted to go and play black jack. I didn't know why but he wanted to go to the Wyndham Casino. According to him he had no luck at the Radisson Casino. At approximately 02.30 am, Deepak and myself were walking to his car. He was there in his Honda Civic. The car was parked in the parking lot of the Radisson Hotel. Guido left to take Andre home.
We drove towards the Wyndham Casino. When we were just about to get out of the car, my father called. My father then told me that the police were at my house and that they were looking for a missing girl. I had then told my father that we would be coming to the house. I right away told Deepak that a girl had gone missing. Deepak had said immediately that it must be the girl from last night. I straight away thought of Natalee who I had left behind at the beach. Deepak told me straight away that it would be better if we would say that the three of us dropped of the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel. We then drove home. At approximately 03.00 am Deepak and myself arrived home in his Honda Civic. When we arrived there we could see no-one was there so I called my dad. My dad said he was driving towards the Wyndham. I then told him that I was home. My father told me to stay there at home. Then Deepak and myself waited for about 5 minutes. Then approximately 5 cars approached. There were two police officers among them. There were a couple of people that said that they were FBI. Natalee's mother was also there. Then Deepak and myself were attacked with questions. At a certain point Deepak was cursed out by one of the men. Then my father said that enough is enough, that the police officers were the ones with authority here. At my house I had talked to a man, I don't know if he was the father. I had told him that from Carlos & Charlies we had dropped her off at the Hotel. I cannot remember telling him that I fingered Natalee. After that we had to go with the police to the police station in Noord. Deepak, my father and myself went to the police station. At the police station in Noord we did not say what had happened to the girl. We did say that we dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn. After that we had to go to the Holiday Inn. There were were attacked again by a woman who said she was with the FBI. I also briefly talked to agent WILLIAMS of the FBI. I had told him we had dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn. It is possible that I told him that I had kissed or had fingered Natalee. For the rest I had told him nothing. After that Deepak pointed out the spot were we dropped off Natalee. At approximately 05.30 am, we went back to our house with the police. When we arrived there I don't remember what was talked about outside. Deepak got into his car and drove off. My father and myself walked inside. When we got inside my father told me that he was not happy with me because I hadn't told him about what happened and that I shouldn't relate/treat to girls like that. I told him that I was sorry and that he was right. I don't remember what I had said to him. Then I went to shower. After that my dad kept me awake until the bus came to pick me up. At approximately 06.45 am I got on the bus. In the bus I slept. I don't think I called Deepak or Satish. At approximately 08.00 am the bus arrived at school. I went to the "reporting-room". After that I went to the head office and spoke to the director of the school mister "Bob WERNER". I had told Bob that the police had come to my house that morning. I think he asked me why they had come. I had told him that a girl had gone missing and that I hadn't been given the chance to get some sleep. Bob then gave me permission to sleep in the "sick room". At approximately 11.00 am I was awoken by my father. He said that the missing girl still hadn't been found and that the police wants me to make a statement. Then my father explained to Bob that I had been the last person that was seen with the girl and that I had to go and make a statement to the police. At approximately 11.15 am my father and me left the school grounds and we went to the police station in Bubali. My father and I talked somewhat about the missing girl. I don't remember what was said. One thing my father certainly said to me was to tell the truth. My father was right, I should have done that. I had told my father that we had dropped the girl off at the hotel. My father also told me that I was going to be interviewed as a witness. On the way to Bubali police station I called Deepak. I said to Deepak that I was en route to make a statement to the police about the missing girl. Deepaks answer to this was: "Shit". Deepak told me to stick to the story that we had dropped the girl off at the Holiday Inn. I couldn't properly talk to Deepak because my dad was in the car. At approximately 12.30 my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that. During the interview I called Deepak on his mobile. I had asked him what clothes Natalee had been wearing that night. He told me that Natalee was wearing a blue skirt and a blue top. I also said to Deepak that the police would come and pick him to so that he could give a statement. Deepak had told me that he would come to the police station on his own.
At approximately 16.00 pm, we were finished at the police station in Bubali. My father and me went to Taco Bell. We ate there. After that we went home. I had gotten changed in order for me to go to tennis lesson. At approximately 17.00 pm I was dropped off by my father at the Raquet Club. Before the tennis lesson I was called by Deepak. He had told me that he had given his statement and that the police was on their way to pick up Satish in order for him to make his statement. Deepak also told me that he had told Satish what he had to say to the police. I had asked Deepak if he could come to the Raquet Club. He said no, that he was going to go to work now and that after that he would go and pick up Satish at Bubali. I don't think I said anything else to him. I did not go to the tennis lesson. Together with
Flor I went into the pool of the Raquet Club.
At approximately 20.00 pm, I was picked up by my father at the Raquet Club. Then we drove home. On Tuesday May 31st 2005, I think I only had contact with Deepak over the phone. I had called Deepak in the evening to tell him that my father had said that our phones would most likely be monitored by the FBI and that the FBI would be able to read our "Chat" conversations. I think that Deepak said it was OK. I did "Chat". After that I went to bed at approximately 23.00 pm. I slept well that night.
Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable. I must also state that I had talked to Freddy and my parents about the fact that Deepak could have gone back to the girl. Freddy also said that if Deepak indeed went back to the girl that I was in big trouble because I was the last person seen with the girl. Freddy had told me that to be safe I should record a conversation between Deepak, Satish and myself.
You are telling me that on May 30th 2005, at approximately 03.15 I sent a message with my mobile phone to Deepak that said: "Hey Swa (buddy) I am home now, I will see you tomorrow". After that Deepak sent a message to you with the answer "Okay". To your question what I can say about that, I can state the following. It is true. I did send that message to Deepak.
If you have any more questions, I am willing to answer them tomorrow.
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT read the statement he had just given, he stated that he would persist in the statement and he signed said statement.
Of which, we the reporting officers, on our oath as officers have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 14th 2005.
The reporting officers
D.D. JACOBS L.A.G. CROES
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 Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! 
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I thought Arubans and Dutchmen have already cleared up the whole signed/unsigned issue.
Is this the Guido that was arrested?
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| Obscuregawdess
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| xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | I thought Arubans and Dutchmen have already cleared up the whole signed/unsigned issue.
Is this the Guido that was arrested? |
 Yes, Guido was the one arrested... i remember because my brother made a comment about his studio photos when his lawyer had said he was gay.
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| Obscuregawdess wrote: | | Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! |
They are signed.
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| Obscuregawdess
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| JD wrote: | | Obscuregawdess wrote: | | Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! |
They are signed. |
Oh wow!  Good deal. 
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I had called Deepak, on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.00 am, on his mobile phone. It was May 30th 2005. I had asked Deepak how he was doing. He had told me that he was "on-line" and that he was chatting to people. I had told Deepak that the girl wouldn't listen and that she was sleeping on the beach. I asked Deepak if he would come and pick me up. Deepak further told me that he would come immediately to come and pick me up. The conversation lasted about 2 to 3 minutes. I had walked back to Natalee. She was still sleeping. I laid down next to her. At about 03.30 am Deepak came to Fisherman's Huts to pick me up.
So according to this Natalee was still in the beach with Joran until around 3:30am. So no Natalee on the hotel tape and no Natalee using key card.
So no Natalee with FEB! Joran is still the last known person with Natalee.
So where are Joran's socks and sneakers?
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| Obscuregawdess wrote: | | JD wrote: | | Obscuregawdess wrote: | | Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! |
They are signed. |
Oh wow! Good deal. |
Anyone can sign a piece of paper. We don't know if that is actually his signature or not. All of this BS about these documents, to me, is a waste of time. We do not know if they even came from the ALE. To take anything from these documents as truth is just asinine to me. They are put out on message boards for a reason.
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| all10suspects wrote: | I had called Deepak, on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.00 am, on his mobile phone. It was May 30th 2005. I had asked Deepak how he was doing. He had told me that he was "on-line" and that he was chatting to people. I had told Deepak that the girl wouldn't listen and that she was sleeping on the beach. I asked Deepak if he would come and pick me up. Deepak further told me that he would come immediately to come and pick me up. The conversation lasted about 2 to 3 minutes. I had walked back to Natalee. She was still sleeping. I laid down next to her. At about 03.30 am Deepak came to Fisherman's Huts to pick me up.
So according to this Natalee was still in the beach with Joran until around 3:30am. So no Natalee on the hotel tape and no Natalee using key card.
So no Natalee with FEB! Joran is still the last known person with Natalee.
So where are Joran's socks and sneakers? |
Joran already stated he does NOT wear a watch. So the times are certain to be "off" as they are estimates. Backtracking from his being online probably gave a much better estimate of the time.
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| JD wrote: | | Obscuregawdess wrote: | | Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! |
They are signed. |
I'm not surprised a signature would suddenly appear on these statements, afterall, the previous statements were not signed and certainly people with an agenda would make sure there were signatures on the latest statements in order to make them appear more bonafide and believable.
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| SavannahStar
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| pausebreak wrote: |
Joran already stated he does NOT wear a watch. So the times are certain to be "off" as they are estimates. Backtracking from his being online probably gave a much better estimate of the time. |
Hey pause. I think a lot of people may have missed that small detail, so it's worth repeating. Joran does NOT wear a watch.
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| iquitos
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signed does not = authentic
maybe signed but are they authentic? still no word from the posters on procedence. these belong in the hands of a comptent journalist who can thoroughly anaylze them not on some biased blog. if they are actual case documents the case is thoroughly blown. not that they incriminate themselves but note joran probably admitted the fisherman's huts in the first interview so they already knew he might be lying about HI. Very interesting indeed.
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| Heli
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | pausebreak wrote: |
Joran already stated he does NOT wear a watch. So the times are certain to be "off" as they are estimates. Backtracking from his being online probably gave a much better estimate of the time. |
Hey pause. I think a lot of people may have missed that small detail, so it's worth repeating. Joran does NOT wear a watch. |
Joran had his mobile phone with him the night of
May 29 / 30, 2005.
No need for a watch since time is always displayed
on the main window. He knew the exact times each
time he made cell phone calls to Deepak or others.
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| iquitos
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authentication
until we have authentication we (close followers of the case) have really nothing but some damn interesting reading.
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| JD
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| pausebreak wrote: | | JD wrote: | | Obscuregawdess wrote: | | Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! |
They are signed. |
I'm not surprised a signature would suddenly appear on these statements, afterall, the previous statements were not signed and certainly people with an agenda would make sure there were signatures on the latest statements in order to make them appear more bonafide and believable. |
There are enough agendas to go around. I believe these are the suspects' statements and not forgeries.
Does it get us any closer to Natalee? Not really, certainly not directly. Does it prove anything? Not really, other than these things were said on those dates. It confirms some rumors that have gone around, refutes others. Most important to me is it gives a glimpse into the boys' thinking and how it developed.
Some people will see that as favorable to one or the other of the suspects, other people will see exactly the opposite. Our minds were made up a while back--we now pass these documents through our minds' filters and arrive at the same conclusions we had before, most likely.
Has anyone changed their mind in any significant way since viewing these?
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| gagal_05
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Re: authentication
| iquitos wrote: | | until we have authentication we (close followers of the case) have really nothing but some damn interesting reading. |
Exactly. We do not know if these statements are real so why would anyone just assume that this is what was said! Makes no sense to me whatsoever. Anybody could have typed these up and released them as what was said!
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| JD
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Major questions I still have:
1. How did Joran get home? I have seen people say there is a signed statement from Satish that he took Joran home. So far, we havent seen that one.
2. Did they go to the lighthouse?
3. Did they go to Joran's house?
Unless I missed it, and that's more than possible, I dont see where Deepak and Satish ever came around to stating that they went to Joran's house. I didnt think that was disputed until I started reading these. Anyone know any more about that?
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| Heli
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| all10suspects wrote: | I had called Deepak, on May 30th 2005 at approximately 03.00 am, on his mobile phone. It was May 30th 2005. I had asked Deepak how he was doing. He had told me that he was "on-line" and that he was chatting to people. I had told Deepak that the girl wouldn't listen and that she was sleeping on the beach. I asked Deepak if he would come and pick me up. Deepak further told me that he would come immediately to come and pick me up. The conversation lasted about 2 to 3 minutes. I had walked back to Natalee. She was still sleeping. I laid down next to her. At about 03.30 am Deepak came to Fisherman's Huts to pick me up.
So according to this Natalee was still in the beach with Joran until around 3:30am. So no Natalee on the hotel tape and no Natalee using key card.
So no Natalee with FEB! Joran is still the last known person with Natalee.
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I believe internet records from the van der Sloot home
reflect Joran signing in to MSN Messenger much earlier
than 03:30. These records would refute and supercede
any times referenced in his statement from his memory.
I believe his sign in time was at approximately 03:00.
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I always love to read the initial statements and interviews, they are messed up, as we all know, but the funny part is that some take these messed up as facts and backbone for their fight. LOL.
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| JD wrote: | | pausebreak wrote: | | JD wrote: | | Obscuregawdess wrote: | | Something else I had not read... Thanks! I wish these statements were signed because I believe that they actually HELP Joran, JMO. Regardless, it was nice to read the statement. It coincides with what I have "heard." Joran is innocent, and these make him look less guilty! |
They are signed. |
I'm not surprised a signature would suddenly appear on these statements, afterall, the previous statements were not signed and certainly people with an agenda would make sure there were signatures on the latest statements in order to make them appear more bonafide and believable. |
There are enough agendas to go around. I believe these are the suspects' statements and not forgeries.
Does it get us any closer to Natalee? Not really, certainly not directly. Does it prove anything? Not really, other than these things were said on those dates. It confirms some rumors that have gone around, refutes others. Most important to me is it gives a glimpse into the boys' thinking and how it developed.
Some people will see that as favorable to one or the other of the suspects, other people will see exactly the opposite. Our minds were made up a while back--we now pass these documents through our minds' filters and arrive at the same conclusions we had before, most likely.
Has anyone changed their mind in any significant way since viewing these? |
Why would you just assume these things were actually said? Anyone could be releasing these statements. Does not mean that they actually said any of this! Unbelievable to me that people are just assuming these statements as real and factual!!!
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