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wildroses
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| portia wrote: | | wildroses wrote: | I think the bitch considered Natalee a possession to be brought out and dusted off whenever the bitch felt the need to display her for whatever reason.
She's mad because she doesn't have her under her thumb any more to control.
From the (almost) beginning, I've thought the bitch knows where she is, whether that is alive or dead. |
Perfect post... 
Economy of words. Poignant. Succinct. Cut to the chase.
You did good...  Bravo... I like it... |
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| obsidian
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| Bean Bag wrote: | | obsidian wrote: | Some of you guys are on a real personal agenda - which is fine -that's what this place is for. But it is a personal agenda clearly.
Just another note: people express their grief in totally individual ways. Because one woman expresses emotion "hysterically" and another expresses it "coldly" doesn't mean that one is more sincere than the other.
What BT said made total sense to me. She is stumped. She tried something hoping it would work and it didn't.
Saying that "it isn't about Natalee" to me meant that like John Walsh - it wasn't about Adam after a while, it became about the larger issue of predators.
Sometimes I think there's more than a little mysogyny on these boards - certainly on this thread:
Other forms of misogyny may be more subtle (than outright hatred). Some misogynists may simply be prejudiced against all women, or may hate women who don't fall into one or more acceptable categories.
Beth is unacceptable to some of you. I don't know why, ultimately, she should have to be. |
But don't you get it yet: there is NO bigger issue here. John Walsh, Sharon Rocha, many others were able to transcend their personal tragedy into a biger issue or cause that needed help. There just aren't American students on foreign trips falling off the face off the earth. It isn't a problem that needs a foundation to help solve it.
And regarding the agenda of women: And you are barking up the wrong tree with misogyny
regarding me and many others here, so stop looking for a one-size-fits-all-opinion here or on most other message boards. |
Never read a post of yours - so don't take what I said personally. Sharon Rocha - she got her daughter's body back. Case is closed. She received universal sympathetic support. Totally different story.
I'm not offering a one size fits all. The cattiness here got to me on this thread.
This case is a very strange one and so are almost all the people it has touched and will remain unresolved in my humble opinion.
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| DiamondDot
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| Quote: | | .....and of course I miss every aspect of her but now what I think we're moving into Renee is a larger picture than Natalee and when I say that, I mean and you know, Natalee represents and you know, crimes outside of our border and also she represents the challenges that a family will face should they find themselves victims of a crime in a foreign country...... |
Lying, egocentric, self-absorbed Bitch.
Natalee,
Hang on, hon. There are people who care and hope wonderful things for you.
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| obsidian
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:46 pm |
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DiamondDot -
It sounds like you lost a round of Bridge games with Beth.
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| DiamondDot
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:48 pm |
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| Quote: | | Oh, we were hoping for discovery, we were hoping for all those statements that have been taken from suspects and witnesses. We needed the complete file and to see if we could figure out, you know what had happened and that's just not going to happen now |
If the case had been allowed to go forward, how would it have opened ALE's files to JQK/Beth?
The suit was against Joran/Paul. They could only provide what they had access to, right?
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| DiamondDot
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:50 pm |
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| obsidian wrote: | DiamondDot -
It sounds like you lost a round of Bridge games with Beth. |
WTF does that mean? My post in no way referred to a card game.
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| Fiery
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bridge is passe...poker is the new "hot" game...
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| DiamondDot
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:56 pm |
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| Fiery wrote: | | bridge is passe...poker is the new "hot" game... |
I still don't know what the fuck my post has to do with a card game.
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| SavannahStar
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:59 pm |
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| DiamondDot wrote: | | Fiery wrote: | | bridge is passe...poker is the new "hot" game... |
I still don't know what the fuck my post has to do with a card game. |
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| justamom
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| DiamondDot wrote: | | Fiery wrote: | | bridge is passe...poker is the new "hot" game... |
I still don't know what the fuck my post has to do with a card game. |
Nothing at all. Shes trying to imply somehow anyone who dislikes beth must not like her bc of something personal. Newsflash, someone whose parked themselves in front of a camera for 14 months spewing hate and anger without any feeling for their missing child is going to gain exactly what shes spewing, hate.
Sometimes I wish Captain Obvious would make an appearance to the people who support beth.
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| Bean Bag
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| obsidian wrote: | | Bean Bag wrote: | | obsidian wrote: | Some of you guys are on a real personal agenda - which is fine -that's what this place is for. But it is a personal agenda clearly.
Just another note: people express their grief in totally individual ways. Because one woman expresses emotion "hysterically" and another expresses it "coldly" doesn't mean that one is more sincere than the other.
What BT said made total sense to me. She is stumped. She tried something hoping it would work and it didn't.
Saying that "it isn't about Natalee" to me meant that like John Walsh - it wasn't about Adam after a while, it became about the larger issue of predators.
Sometimes I think there's more than a little mysogyny on these boards - certainly on this thread:
Other forms of misogyny may be more subtle (than outright hatred). Some misogynists may simply be prejudiced against all women, or may hate women who don't fall into one or more acceptable categories.
Beth is unacceptable to some of you. I don't know why, ultimately, she should have to be. |
But don't you get it yet: there is NO bigger issue here. John Walsh, Sharon Rocha, many others were able to transcend their personal tragedy into a biger issue or cause that needed help. There just aren't American students on foreign trips falling off the face off the earth. It isn't a problem that needs a foundation to help solve it.
And regarding the agenda of women: And you are barking up the wrong tree with misogyny
regarding me and many others here, so stop looking for a one-size-fits-all-opinion here or on most other message boards. |
Never read a post of yours - so don't take what I said personally. Sharon Rocha - she got her daughter's body back. Case is closed. She received universal sympathetic support. Totally different story.
I'm not offering a one size fits all. The cattiness here got to me on this thread.
This case is a very strange one and so are almost all the people it has touched and will remain unresolved in my humble opinion. |
If you don't want people to take a post personally, I would suggest that you might not want to start your posts with
"Some of you guys are on a real personal agenda - which is fine -that's what this place is for. But it is a [i]personal agenda clearly.[/i]"
Then proceed to tell us what our personal agenda is. THEN tell us not to take it personally.
Yeah, that works.
l o l
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| Hannie
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I have nothing personal with Beth, i just despise her , and that has only to do with her whole demeanor of this case and her arrogance, her vileness, her "hang them all" and her "more important then others" attitude...That`s all.....I still sleep very good, I eat very good, no need for pills whatsoever and my bloodpressure is perfect..... 
And another thing, in the beginning I thought; Ow well maybe it`s because i`m Dutch and we are not used to these kind of media circusses, and especially not with parents or missing children. In the US it`s happening a lot there are lots of missing people and children there, so maybe it`s just me who see Beth as a biatch!
Not so, the majority of Americans i encountered, are thinking the same as me, because they also never saw such a vile person/mother of a missing child who behaves like Beth does and did , that speaks for me for itself, so it isn`t only me......  and hasn`t got anything to do with nationality at all.......
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| Bean Bag
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:15 pm |
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| HannieC wrote: | I have nothing personal with Beth, i just despise her , and that has only to do with her whole demeanor of this case and her arrogance, her vileness, her "hang them all" and her "more important then others" attitude...That`s all.....I still sleep very good, I eat very good, no need for pills whatsoever and my bloodpressure is perfect.....
And another thing, in the beginning I thought; Ow well maybe it`s because i`m Dutch and we are not used to these kind of media circusses, and especially not with parents or missing children. In the US it`s happening a lot there are lots of missing people and children there, so maybe it`s just me who see Beth as a biatch!
Not so, the majority of Americans i encountered, are thinking the same as me, because they also never saw such a vile person/mother of a missing child who behaves like Beth does and did , that speaks for me for itself, so it isn`t only me...... and hasn`t got anything to do with nationality at all....... |
Hannie, I think you have hit the nail on the head. NEVER have I seem the outrage about a person/mothers behavior in an American news story the way I have seen it about this case. She is so far out of the norm of how parents act in situations like this, that a LOT of folks have said, "now wait a minute, something is wrong here." I mean it is that far out there that entire internet communities have spawned with the largely common denominator of reacting to the misbehavior.
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| obsidian
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:36 pm |
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| Bean Bag wrote: | | obsidian wrote: | | Bean Bag wrote: | | obsidian wrote: | Some of you guys are on a real personal agenda - which is fine -that's what this place is for. But it is a personal agenda clearly.
Just another note: people express their grief in totally individual ways. Because one woman expresses emotion "hysterically" and another expresses it "coldly" doesn't mean that one is more sincere than the other.
What BT said made total sense to me. She is stumped. She tried something hoping it would work and it didn't.
Saying that "it isn't about Natalee" to me meant that like John Walsh - it wasn't about Adam after a while, it became about the larger issue of predators.
Sometimes I think there's more than a little mysogyny on these boards - certainly on this thread:
Other forms of misogyny may be more subtle (than outright hatred). Some misogynists may simply be prejudiced against all women, or may hate women who don't fall into one or more acceptable categories.
Beth is unacceptable to some of you. I don't know why, ultimately, she should have to be. |
But don't you get it yet: there is NO bigger issue here. John Walsh, Sharon Rocha, many others were able to transcend their personal tragedy into a biger issue or cause that needed help. There just aren't American students on foreign trips falling off the face off the earth. It isn't a problem that needs a foundation to help solve it.
And regarding the agenda of women: And you are barking up the wrong tree with misogyny
regarding me and many others here, so stop looking for a one-size-fits-all-opinion here or on most other message boards. |
Never read a post of yours - so don't take what I said personally. Sharon Rocha - she got her daughter's body back. Case is closed. She received universal sympathetic support. Totally different story.
I'm not offering a one size fits all. The cattiness here got to me on this thread.
This case is a very strange one and so are almost all the people it has touched and will remain unresolved in my humble opinion. |
If you don't want people to take a post personally, I would suggest that you might not want to start your posts with
"Some of you guys are on a real personal agenda - which is fine -that's what this place is for. But it is a [i]personal agenda clearly.[/i]"
Then proceed to tell us what our personal agenda is. THEN tell us not to take it personally.
Yeah, that works.
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Taking something personally has different meanings for you than for me, I think.
I won't call anyone names. I won't refer to personal characteristics.
Getting personal is calling someone a fucking bitch or a moron.
To say that there are issues - as in personal agendas - that underlie
writing some posts - I don't see that as getting personal.
So, yes, it works for me to say there are personal agendas motivating posts - but it doesn't work for me to attack anyone (nor defend myself too much).
The remark to DiamondDot about Bridge verges on the personal. But, hey, it's pretty mild and I may be in for an attack with a nail studded club.
What that meant was, it sounds like they have had some sort of personal experience with her that made her an enemy.
As for being a Beth supporter, or whatever, I'm just not a basher.
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| justamom
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obsidian,
I think you take for granted the fact there are people here who have had personal experiences with police investigations and missing people of their own. I had a missing son. So, yeah, maybe it is personal because I can see right through beth and what shes doing from my point of view. But to put everyone in the same boat is nothing more then judgemental imo anyway.
Of course different things in different peoples lives are going to make them form diff opinions of any situation. For the most part, alot of people here see right through beth and what she has/hasnt done. beth admitted herself today this isnt about natalee anymore. Natalee hasnt even been found, its been little over a yr. Many MANY people with missing loved ones look MANY MANY yrs not months and dont give up hope. I have never heard one say this isnt about them, because of course it is. Without natalee being missing whats beth point about anything public? She has nobusiness on tv otherwise.
Does she really believe she is going to teach people not to travel, or be afraid to travel to other countries when she couldnt even teach her own child common sense? Its kinda offensive to me as a mother that she thinks I would welcome her advice to any of my children. Im not irresponsible enough to send any of my children to a drunk fest for a week for any reason, 18 or not. And if they paid themselves thats one thing, but at the least I would sit down and talk to them about the dangers of traveling and a buddy system. THATS COMMON SENSE!
Ive posted alot of posts about the things beth has done that make zero sense in dealing with a missing person from having gone through it myself. You can look around for them if u want to. Im not gonna waste my time posting it again.
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| obsidian
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:57 pm |
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| justamom wrote: | obsidian,
I think you take for granted the fact there are people here who have had personal experiences with police investigations and missing people of their own. No, I didn't think that. I had a missing son. So, yeah, maybe it is personal because I can see right through beth and what shes doing from my point of view. But to put everyone in the same boat is nothing more then judgemental imo anyway. I am not putting everyone in the same boat. I guess I have to re-think what I hoped I worded carefully.
I am very sorry for the scare or worse that you had with your son. I will read your posts.
Of course different things in different peoples lives are going to make them form diff opinions of any situation. For the most part, alot of people here see right through beth and what she has/hasnt done. beth admitted herself today this isnt about natalee anymore. Who knows why she said this or what she meant. It is open to interpretation. I, myself thought, it meant that she felt hopeless about saving Natalee. Natalee hasnt even been found, its been little over a yr. Many MANY people with missing loved ones look MANY MANY yrs not months and dont give up hope. I have never heard one say this isnt about them, because of course it is. Without natalee being missing whats beth point about anything public? She has nobusiness on tv otherwise.
Does she really believe she is going to teach people not to travel, or be afraid to travel to other countries when she couldnt even teach her own child common sense? Its kinda offensive to me as a mother that she thinks I would welcome her advice to any of my children.
Im not irresponsible enough to send any of my children to a drunk fest for a week for any reason, 18 or not. And if they paid themselves thats one thing, but at the least I would sit down and talk to them about the dangers of traveling and a buddy system. THATS COMMON SENSE! I absolutely totally agreee with you here.
Ive posted alot of posts about the things beth has done that make zero sense in dealing with a missing person from having gone through it myself. You can look around for them if u want to. Im not gonna waste my time posting it again. |
I haven't been though this. My losses have been otherwise. I'll look for your posts.
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| obsidian
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Hope you don't mind the way I posted. You said a lot and now I'm in a rush and have to go - so I did the fast thing and inserted my reply.
I won't do it again - just got into this thing at an inconvenient time!
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| gaia
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justamom, my dear, YOU ROCK! I have never experienced (directly) a missing child or loved one. I've had a daughter who graduated from high school early just to get away from home! She felt estranged from us and wanted to go to college asap, but I felt so sad and worried about her for quite awhile before we reestablished regular contact. This occurred because I just kept calling her and talking to her about "whatever" whenever she'd talk. After awhile, things changed. This is part of what is so weird about Beth to me. It just doesn't happen to sit well with me how Beth has written Natalee off...did so quite early in this case. Like I did with my daughter, I'd keep trying to find her or talk to her or whatever I could do to keep hope alive. Beth seems to want to MOVE ON and establish some kind of new thing to do for herself more than anything else. Just bugs the crap out of me!
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| obsidian
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| justamom
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| obsidian wrote: | Hope you don't mind the way I posted. You said a lot and now I'm in a rush and have to go - so I did the fast thing and inserted my reply.
I won't do it again - just got into this thing at an inconvenient time! |
I dont mind. I was just trying to make a point is all.
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| justamom
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| gaia wrote: | justamom, my dear, YOU ROCK! I have never experienced (directly) a missing child or loved one. I've had a daughter who graduated from high school early just to get away from home! She felt estranged from us and wanted to go to college asap, but I felt so sad and worried about her for quite awhile before we reestablished regular contact. This occurred because I just kept calling her and talking to her about "whatever" whenever she'd talk. After awhile, things changed. This is part of what is so weird about Beth to me. It just doesn't happen to sit well with me how Beth has written Natalee off...did so quite early in this case. Like I did with my daughter, I'd keep trying to find her or talk to her or whatever I could do to keep hope alive. Beth seems to want to MOVE ON and establish some kind of new thing to do for herself more than anything else. Just bugs the crap out of me!
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Thanks. It bugs me as well. My own mom and me havent always seen eye to eye. I have always been a bit independant for her taste and have been know to walk away from her for months, with no contact. She is the one who has kept up with me, making sure she knew what was going on with me etc. Now that Im older it isnt as hard for her to keep up with me bc Im lazy and just wanna relax LOL. Im glad she did what she did though. I just cant imagine washing my hands of my son when he was missing under any circumstance.
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| likestoflap-lol
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| portia wrote: | "...I miss every aspect of Natalee..." WTF does that mean?
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sure as hell does not sound like a mom about her murdered daughter as she claims! she is setting up the media for her new campaign of how to get legal help in froeign countrys of victims! she is setting herself up as a politician with causes ---n o doubt she tries to run for first woman president soon-lol---- aspects/ your right wtf does that have to do with love? she thinks we will fall into respecting her causes ---she is one clever little lady --ya know?lol
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| Need2Know
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Amazing - once again, not one shred of motherly love coming from that woman when asked what she thinks about when she thinks about Natalee in these past fourteen months - not once did she say how devasted she is about not having her daughter, about the love she has for her, the missed moments, about the times being missed, nothing. The only thing she said was that it is now "more than about Natalee" now, it is about missing people in foreign lands - like a pretext for some new business venture she is planning to get into - The Beth Twitty - Find Your Missing People Foundation - send me money!!! She is so unbelievably callous, cold and cunning. What a cold, callous, calculating and unfeeling piece of work OR - there is more to it then meets the eye, as many have been saying all along. WHY WHY WHY don't ANY of these interviewers have the COJONES to ask the real tough questions? This one lady did cut her off pretty quick after that emotionless response, but if I were them, I would press her on many issues, especially since I have her there, live - but who knows what goes on behind the scenes and the script they are given.
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| Need2Know
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| statinmyopinion2 wrote: | I've only "known" of Beth Twitty, for 16 months.
And I can honestly say I despise the woman.
Natalee and Matt had to live with that woman for 18 and 16 yrs, respectively. I am now wondering if they felt the same? Is that why Matt is living with "friends" and Natalee TOOK off?
We know Dave Holloway stayed the hell away from her while in Aruba and in the USA.
And its CLEAR, that Beth has NO real friends...only aquaintances....
Cold Bitch, doesn't even describe her.... |
Now looks like Jug is gone- what happened to her "friend" Greta? I guess Great woke up and smelled the aroma (uh hum, I mean coffee).
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| Hannie
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That is something that stunned me the most to be honest Ineed2know.
Isn`t there anyone in the Big US of A, with so many journalists etc, who actually will ask Beth for once and for all the right questions?Or will do some investigative report about the MB side? I really don`t understand that...........What is it with that? I really can`t fathom that....
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