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Ban on horse slaughter gets 2nd chance. WRITE!!!
Ban on horse slaughter gets second chance
House panel to vote on revamped measure
WASHINGTON Congress didn't stop the annual slaughter of some 90,000 horses the first time it tried, but lawmakers are back now with a proposed permanent ban they believe is loophole-proof.
Today the House Energy and Commerce Committee will vote on a bill, sponsored by Rep. Ed Whitfield of Kentucky and others, to bar horse slaughter for human consumption. The House Agriculture Committee is scheduled to consider the measure tomorrow.
As a preamble to those decisions, the energy panel's commerce, trade and consumer protection subcommittee held hearings on the bill yesterday. Lawmakers, horse organizations, veterinarians and animal-rights advocates squared off over whether foreign-owned plants in the United States should be producing a meat few Americans eat. Most of the meat is exported to Europe and Japan.
"Can we imagine Barbaro being sent to slaughter?" asked Russell Williams, vice chairman of the American Horse Council, referring to this year's injured Kentucky Derby winner. "And if not Barbaro, why any other horse?"
Williams, who said he was speaking for himself and not the council, said "slaughter is not a humane solution to anything."
But opponents of the ban -- including the slaughterhouses, two in Texas and one in Illinois, that process the animals -- said the bill would create a glut of unwanted horses and hit the nation's taxpayers with up to $130 million in annual costs of care.
"This draconian legislation will have far-reaching and significant detrimental effects for horses, horse owners and the
agricultural sector," said Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., chairman of the agriculture panel.
Congress last year approved a provision in a spending bill aimed at stopping horse slaughter for food, eliminating funding for inspectors at the horse slaughterhouses for a year. But despite congressional objections, the Department of Agriculture allowed the industry to pay for the inspectors so horse slaughter could continue.
Whitfield and a co-sponsor, Rep. John Sweeney, R-N.Y., said in interviews that their bill did not allow for any ambiguities.
The measure would prohibit "the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possession, purchasing, selling or donation of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption."
Whitfield said worries about what would happen to horses that couldn't be taken to slaughter were overblown.
A dozen years ago, he said, 329,000 horses were slaughtered in year, compared with 85,000 to 90,000 last year.
"I don't buy the argument that going from 85,000 to zero, the whole country would be covered up with horses," said Whitfield, R-1st District. In any case, he said, breeders needed to take responsibility for reducing the number of foals.
"I guess it's free trade," Dr. Douglas Corey said to a congressman who asked why so many horses are bred each year.
Corey, president-elect of the American Association of Equine Practitioners, dismissed polls that show that large majorities of the public oppose horse slaughter.
"The general public does not know equine," he said.
But Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens said horse slaughter "is a black eye on our state and our nation that demands action."
"This is all about making money. The kill plants are here in the United States to make money for people in Europe."
Reporter James R. Carroll can be reached at (202) 906-8141.
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they need to start with the PMU industry at this point it WILL create a problem of too many horses to support which is already a problem. of course the ban sould go ahead and be passed immediately but they need to start looking at options to support these animals that will end up homeless (a horse does cost a LOT to keep). and the PMU industry is the place to start, imo. i am very active in speaking against them they foal thousands of foals per year just to collect urine from the mares and discard the foals and then when the mares can no longe breed, discard the mares. that is a large part of the slaughter industry currently.
http://www.equineadvocates.com/premarin.html
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Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:48 pm |
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oh God...
don't get me started... please... just ban me if I get started...
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I hope if the world ever gets over ran by too many humans and they start to slaughter us off...uhmm..I hope they take the trolls first.
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| chillin wrote: | | I hope if the world ever gets over ran by too many humans and they start to slaughter us off...uhmm..I hope they take the trolls first. |
um... trolls are horses too... and who the fook are you to decide who deserves to go to slaughter?
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| heartache2 wrote: | | chillin wrote: | | I hope if the world ever gets over ran by too many humans and they start to slaughter us off...uhmm..I hope they take the trolls first. |
um... trolls are horses too... and who the fook are you to decide who deserves to go to slaughter? |
A troll is a horse? I think not. My comment was made as a joke...take it or leave your choice.
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I hate to have to defend myself when making alight hearted comment..however since I'm new here I will defend my post.
troll2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trl)
n.
A supernatural creature of Scandinavian folklore, variously portrayed as a friendly or mischievous dwarf or as a giant, that lives in caves, in the hills, or under bridges.
Wasn't implying I had any 'right' to say anyone gets slaughtered. A troll to me is a lil make believe critter..period.
If my post insulted anyone else..my apologies.
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not one horse...
deserves the slaughterhouse... shitty mover? lousy jumper? old and lame? injured off the track? slow runner? owner can no longer afford? owner too cheap to put down humanely? No excuse... not one...
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Same Here in the Land of Aloha
As Waipio Valley residents, state officials and Bishop Museum continue discussing how to protect wild horses from being killed by a valley resident, another horse was found shot over the weekend.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2006/07/18/local_news/local01.txt
I do not like these kine stories..
Aloha kakou
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This is silly, instead of ending up with some decent meat when a horse goes EOL you are stuck with arranging a funeral!
No loopholes hah!? Oh I got one, just make dogfood out of it instead.
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Thanks for this info...I am writing and calling
Thanks!
Tho there are many things I admire about Europe but this "horsemeat eating" is NOT one of them
another thing is the way they have "stuffed animals' in europe that are actually from cats or dogs from china/etc...they should stop importing these horrible "toys" and ban them..they are banned in the usa
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I think with T Boone Pickens and his wife involved the slaughter house owners will now have a real run for their money.
T. Boone Pickens To the Rescue
Texas oilman and rancher T. Boone Pickens grabbed a lot of sympathetic headlines after Hurricane Katrina by airlifting 800 abandoned dogs and cats out of the storm zone. Now he's gone to Capitol Hill to fight for another of man's best friends the horse. Lassoed by his wife, Madeleine, who owns a stable, Pickens is pressing for passage of a national law banning the slaughter of horses for human consumption in foreign countries. Surprisingly, he has plenty of opposition to the bill called the American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act including some of his former buddies in the cattle business. "I don't like it," says Pickens, "and I'm going to do everything I can to stop it."
Pickens, who owns a ranch in West Texas, says more than 100,000 horses are slaughtered in the U.S. every year for consumption as a "delicacy" by diners in Europe, mostly France and Belgium, as well as Japan an idea that repulses and outrages him. "I can't imagine slaughtering a horse [to eat]," says Pickens, "It's absolutely un-American." The horses are slaughtered at one of three plants, two in Texas and one in Illinois, all owned by a Belgian entrepreneur. "We don't eat horsemeat here, so it does seem peculiar that someone from Belgium owns the kill plant and the meat is sent to Europe," he says. "Why not in their own countries? Why come to America to do the dirty deal?"
Pickens, best known as the founder of BP Capital and Mesa Petroleum, admits horse slaughtering was not high on his agenda until his wife, Madeleine, who raises thoroughbred horses, got involved. "My wife is a great animal lover. I'm more passive. She's more aggressive," he says, with a laugh. Paula Bacon, the mayor of Kaufman, Texas where one of the plants, Dallas Crown, is located alerted them to the problem. "Paula Bacon told me the kill plant had $12 million in gross revenues and only pays $5 in taxes but it clogs the sewage system up." A court ordered the plant to shut down by Sept. 30 for failure to pay fines in the thousands of dollars. Pickens is equally riled that the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture (USDA) oversees and spends millions in taxpayer dollars supervising these plants Dallas Crown in Kaufman as well as Beltex Corporation in Fort Worth, and Cavel International in DeKalb, Ill. although selling horsemeat is banned in a lot of states. "It's incredible to me that our money is wasted on meat being shipped out of the country," he says.
So what did Pickens, a major Republican contributor, do? He picked up the phone and called his representative, Republican Joe Barton of Texas, and alerted him to the issue only to find out that a number of old buddies were against banning the slaughter, including the Texas Southwest Cattlemen's Association, the Texas A&M Extension Service and former Democratic Congressman Charlie Stenholm, who was hired as a lobbyist by slaughter proponents. "Somebody is putting money into this for a lobbyist to be on it," says Pickens. He warned Barton that people were getting worked up over the issue. "I told him when you get women like my wife and Paula Bacon involved, you give em an ax and they'll do some chopping." So Barton called a hearing Tuesday before a House of Representatives Energy & Commerce subcommittee. (A commerce subcommittee since proponents contend that banning horse slaughtering for food sales violates commerce laws.) The House Majority leader, John Boehner, has said the House will vote on the bill after summer recess.
Even more outrageous to Pickens is the fact that many sellers have no idea that their horses are going to slaughter to become food. "They're thinking their horse will go to some nice family. But those killer buyers, when they buy at auction, it's just a matter of hours before the horse is slaughtered," he says. Opponents of horse slaughtering claim that many of the horses sold for consumption are young foals as well as old racehorses and "summer camp" ponies. When California voted by referendum in 1998 to ban the slaughter of horses for consumption, Pickens notes that horse theft fell by 34%. "You know they are killing a lot of stolen horses." Independent surveys done in years past indicate that a majority of the public is against horse slaughtering. Because of the lack of publicity the issue has attracted, Pickens calls it "America's dirty little secret."
The Texas oilman, 78, hopes his wife's passion for saving horses turns out as well as her push to get animals out of New Orleans after Katrina. Of the 800 animals airlifted out after the storm, he says over 70% have since been reunited with their owners. If he had been told to leave his dog, Murdock, behind in the storm waters, says Pickens, "I'd yell at them to pitch me an inner tube, and I'd take my chances with Murdock." Is this is a kinder, gentler Pickens than we're used to seeing? He laughs and says, "That side has always been there. Just unrecognized by some people."
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Here's another article and (imo) a "must see" video at the link.
T. Boone Pickens Joins Horse Slaughter Fight
(CBS 11 News/AP) WASHINGTON The fight against horse slaughterhouses has taken a Texas billionaire to Washington. Oilman T. Boone Pickens was on Capital Hill Tuesday to testify that the slaughterhouses, including two in Texas, should be shut down.
Supporters of a ban on horse slaughter lost a valuable congressional ally Tuesday but hoped for a boost after Pickens joined their cause.
Kaufman resident Robert Eldridges neighbor is Dallas Crown, a plant that slaughters horses for human consumption abroad.
I don't like the stink. I don't like the noise and they're the worst neighbors you can ever have, Eldridge said.
There are two other Dallas Crown plants in Fort Worth and Illinois. Now opponents have a powerful ally in Pickens.
During the first hearing to ban the transport and sale of horses for slaughter, Pickens, a major Republican contributor, chastised his own state for being home to two horse slaughter plants.
"This is a black eye on our state and nation that demands action," Pickens told the congressional panel.
Pickens said nearly all thoroughbreds, Arabians, quarter horses and wild mustangs sent to the plants are healthy young horses that he said the USDA has said are in "good to excellent" condition. He questioned why the state allows foreign countries, that he said pay little taxes, to slaughter American horses for consumption abroad.
"They should slaughter their own horses, not American horses," he said.
A lawyer for Dallas Crown told CBS 11 News This is an ongoing fight. We'll continue to pursue Dallas Crown and other companies' right to continue to engage in the business that they've been doing for more than a decade."
Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Joe Barton, R-Texas, said that he no longer supports legislation aimed at ending the slaughter of horses in the U.S. for consumption overseas.
Barton said he previously supported the bill sponsored by fellow Republican Reps. John Sweeney of New York and Ed Whitfield of Kentucky, but dropped his support after learning more about it.
"The agriculture community and rural America just is totally against the bill," he explained in a hearing break.
Congress tried to end the slaughter of horses last year by overwhelmingly approving legislation eliminating funding of Agriculture Department horse meat inspectors. But USDA is offering inspections on a fee-for-service basis to the plants.
The bill has 201 co-sponsors. Republican leaders have scheduled a vote for Sept. 7.
But opposition is fierce. The hearing on the bill stretched over about three hours and had to move to a larger room because of interest. Witnesses' comments were met with applause and gasps from some attending the hearing.
"This legislation is woefully inadequate, emotionally misguided and fails to serve the best interest of the American horse and horse owner," said Virginia Republican Rep. Bob Goodlatte, who chairs the House Agriculture Committee.
Dick Koehler, vice president of Beltex Corp., owner of a Fort Worth-based horse slaughter plant, urged lawmakers not to eliminate an entire industry, "just because animal rights activists find the product of this law abiding, taxpaying legitimate business to be distasteful."
The proposed legislation does not ban the slaughter of horses outright. Instead it bans shipping, transportation, delivery, receiving, buying or selling or donating of horses for slaughter for human consumption, putting it under the jurisdiction of the House Energy and Commerce Committee. The bill also would prevent sending horses from the U.S. to Canada or Mexico to be slaughtered.
Sweeney said he took that route because the Agriculture Committee has sat on previous legislation seeking to ban the horse slaughter and not given it a hearing.
The full Energy and Commerce Committee's scheduled a vote on the bill on Wednesday. The House Agriculture Committee plans to consider and vote on the legislation on Thursday.
Divisions in the issue are not neat. They split members of the same party, horse associations, veterinarians and others and create unusual coalitions such as in the case of Pickens, who is on the same side as animal rights activists.
Supporters of the ban said horses are mistreated and abused when they are sent to horse plants by being shipped in inhumane conditions and are sometimes alive when they are being slaughtered. In addition, they say horses in this country have iconic status and are not raised for food.
"Would we ever serve a bald eagle in this country?" Sweeney asked.
But opponents say horses are euthanized humanely before they are slaughtered, their transport is heavily regulated and would suffer a worse death of starvation and neglect if slaughter was eliminated.
(CBS 11 News/AP) *Link With Video*
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Write your Congressman your thoughts on the vote taking place on Sept 7th.
*Find Your Congressman Here*
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Beltex Corp., owned by a French company, has been in business for 27 years. Dallas Crown Packaging bought a pre-existing company and is owned by a Belgian firm.
** Write or call these companies and tell them what you think. ** 
Dallas Crown, Inc.
2000 West Fair
Kaufman, Texas 75142
Telephone (972) 932-3436
Fax (972) 932-3062
E-mail: sales@dallascrown.com
Beltex Corporation
3801 N. Grove St.
Fort Worth, TX 76106
817-624-1136 (tel)
817-624-4594 (fax)
"Horses are slaughtered for human consumption at only one other plant in the United States, Cavel International Corp. in DeKalb, Illinois, which reopened on June 9 amid great controversy."
Cavel International, Inc.
International Meat Exporters
108 Harvestore Dr.
DeKalb, IL 60115
815-756-8051
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*snipped*
"Thoroughbred racing received black eyes from the death of Racing Hall of Fame horse Exceller, who perished in a Swedish slaughterhouse in 1997, and the fate of '86 Kentucky Derby (G1) winner and '87 Horse of the Year Ferdinand, who is believed to have been slaughtered in Japan in 2002.
How will racing's championship day in Texas look in proximity to horse slaughter in America?
Exceller and Ferdinand were slaughtered overseas, a discovery that took diligent research after they had been slain. That delay somewhat deflated the news impact of their demise.
But less-accomplished Thoroughbreds are still being butchered daily right here in America, not many miles from the site of Thoroughbred racing's crowning event. Soon everybody will know.
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| jmo wrote: | But opponents say horses are euthanized humanely before they are slaughtered, their transport is heavily regulated and would suffer a worse death of starvation and neglect if slaughter was eliminated.[/b]
(CBS 11 News/AP) *Link With Video* |
that last part is something we all need to apy attention to because if they end slaughter other have to step up to the plate and help rescue organizations or volunteer to take in animals because there will be tens of thousads of horses without homes. that should go along with the ban.
actually most horses sent to slaughter are not stolen that is really not a very lucrative usiness for most people-more trouble than its worth. most are from the PMU industry and are horses that have been disgarded because they cant work anymore. that is where a lot of those healthy horses come from, and also some are wild horses.
horses are pets like dogs in the us and we would NEVER slaughter and eat our dogs or cats and horses are NO different they are NOT raised for food but as pets or for sport. they are intelligent and are very loyal and theres no excuse for killing them to eat.
its a cultural thing in europe and i hate that but thats the way it is, fine, and its cheap to kill them here and ship them overseas so they do it but they should stop. i still think the PMU industry should be pahsed out because it is causing huge problems. now at least they are breeding fairly good stock so that the can find homes for the foals but still it leaves thousands of homeless babies and they just stick these mares in stalls as breeders until they are too old and then they are discarded, usually sent to slaughter.
ladies if you use premarin for menopause PLEASE consider alternatives!!!! cenestin is a syynthetic drug that does the same thing and does not require the use of horses to make!
http://www.equineadvocates.com/premarin.html
sorry i just get really up in arms about this horses are my third favorite animal after dogs and cats.
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The Int'l Fund for Horses
*Link is Here*
Eta: extremely graphic photos at the slaughter section of this link. open with caution
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i like this site because its for all animals http://www.friendsofanimals.org/index.html
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Re: Thanks for this info...I am writing and calling
| FreefromStupidity wrote: | | Tho there are many things I admire about Europe but this "horsemeat eating" is NOT one of them |
What is wrong with eating horsemeat? (Opposed to eating eg. old milk cows?) Leave my bitterballen alone!@!@#$!#
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Re: Thanks for this info...I am writing and calling
| dugo wrote: | | FreefromStupidity wrote: | | Tho there are many things I admire about Europe but this "horsemeat eating" is NOT one of them |
What is wrong with eating horsemeat? (Opposed to eating eg. old milk cows?) Leave my bitterballen alone!@!@#$!# |
its part of the culture in europe but america is a young country horses have been pets for a long time now and we do not consider them livestock like cows or chickens they are like dogs or cats. we would never eat someones dog or cat, so we would neever eat someones horse it is the SAME THING.
most of the animals sent to slaughter are not old animals (even though i would not want to reward loyalty from my pet by sticking them in trucks and gutting them for someones plate) but are "by products"of the PMU industry, healthy sport horses, or pets that were unknowlingly sent to slaughter. most of them ar enot old and sick because those are not very much use to a place trying to get meat off an animal, young and healthy is much more useful to them.
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| elgatonegro wrote: | horses are pets like dogs in the us and we would NEVER slaughter and eat our dogs or cats and horses are NO different they are NOT raised for food but as pets or for sport. they are intelligent and are very loyal and theres no excuse for killing them to eat.
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Of course there is an excuse, the meat is very lean, tender and rich in iron.
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| dugo wrote: | | Of course there is an excuse, the meat is very lean, tender and rich in iron. |
it doesnt matter it is no different to us than someone shooting the next door neighbor's puppy and eating it for dinner. they are pets, and we dont eat pets.
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Re: Thanks for this info...I am writing and calling
| elgatonegro wrote: | | dugo wrote: | | FreefromStupidity wrote: | | Tho there are many things I admire about Europe but this "horsemeat eating" is NOT one of them |
What is wrong with eating horsemeat? (Opposed to eating eg. old milk cows?) Leave my bitterballen alone!@!@#$!# |
its part of the culture in europe but america is a young country horses have been pets for a long time now and we do not consider them livestock like cows or chickens they are like dogs or cats. |
Mainland europe, the Brits don't eat horse meat.
My grandfather was a farmer in the days horses were used as draught animals, maybe farm mechanisation started earlyer in the States?
Throwing away decent meat out of sentimental reasons is a cultural thing (and a sign of prosperity). Eating horsemeat is otherwise common sense.
Nobody is forced to eat it, so I don't really understand the ban. Take eg. Israel, not eating pig is a religious/cultural thing there, but there is no ban on slaughtering pig.
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