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pax
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Religion discussion
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| Seraph
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Re: Religion discussion
| pax wrote: | | Please be considerate and friendly. |
Religion is the opium of the people. Religion acts as an opiate to dull the pain produced by oppression. It does nothing to solve the problem: it is simply a misguided attempt to make life more bearable. In Lenin's
words, 'Religion is a kind of spiritual gin in which the slaves of capital drown their human shape and their claims to any decent life'.
I believe ones personal beliefs are just that, personal and I respect people's right to believe what they want, as long as it does not encroach on others. 'Christians' do not have a monopoly on what is right or wrong. Our religion is usually based on exactly what 'village' of the world we are born into. Religion acts as a mechanism of social control, maintaining the existing system of exploitation and reinforcing class relationships. It keeps people in their place!
All this from an angel, Seraph
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S, your post sounds word for word like Karl Marx.
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There are many besides Karl Marx who have said similar things. C.S. Lewis, for one. Lewis said that the worst thing about Christianity is Christians. For another, John Lennon:
God is a concept,
By which we measure our pain
I don't believe in magic
I don't believe in I-ching
I don't believe in Bible
I don't believe in tarot
I don't believe in Hitler
I don't believe in Kennedy
I don't believe in Buddha
I don't believe in mantra
I don't believe in Gita
I don't believe in yoga
I don't believe in kings
I don't believe in Elvis
I don't believe in Zimmerman
I don't believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me,
And that's reality.
The dream is over
What can I say?
The dream is over,
Yesterday,
I was dreamweaver
But now I'm reborn
I was the walrus
But now I'm John
And so dear friends
You just have to carry on
The dream is over.
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| pastaman
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Hello Pax, I know others have said the same thing I was pointing out that the poster had said the exact same...I just feel if you are going to use someone else's work verbatim then give proper credit or it is plagerism or is that okay on a message board? I don't know the law about that.
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You'd have to consult a qualified attorney for an official opinion, but I believe it is de minimis, which means too trivial for the law to be concerned.
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| likestoflap-lol
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| pax wrote: | | You'd have to consult a qualified attorney for an official opinion, but I believe it is de minimis, which means too trivial for the law to be concerned. |
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I am a Christian, a foolish sinner who was saved by the grace and mercy of God and by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. First and foremost, "religion" is man made and anything man touches usually ends up being corrupted. To me and to all true Christians, the Bible is the true Word of God. It is about a relationship with God, not about religion, customs, traditions, heirarchy, etc etc etc.
God's greatest desire is for people to come to know Him personally. The simple truth is that there is a God who created you and loves you very much. (Genesis 1:1) He gave us life and deserves our gratitude and love.
We, however, have chosen to disobey Him and sin against Him; all of us have done wrong and failed to do what is right. (Romans 3:23) We may not be more sinful than our neighbor, or we may be far worse than anyone we know, it does not matter. Either way, we are guilty before God. (1 John 1:
God is perfect, completely good, always right and fair. He cannot tolerate sin. He cannot simply overlook the fact that we have chosen to disobey Him. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death." (Romans 6:23) This means that the fair payment for our rebellion against God is death. It is the punishment that we deserve.
Jesus, the one and only Son of God, came to earth and lived a perfect sinless life. He was crucified even though He was completely innocent. He received the punishment that we deserved. He was the perfect sacrifice, He was put into our place and took on Himself the sentence of death that should have been ours. (Romans 5:
Jesus did not, however, remain dead. After three days, He rose from the grave and later ascended into heaven. He will return for all those who are trusting in Him as their Savior.
Jesus died for you. You can be saved by asking Him for forgiveness from your sins. If you are willing to repent of your sin, He is waiting to forgive you. It doesn't matter what you have done in the past, if you cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, He will not reject you. The word "repent" literally means "to turn away from." You need to look at your life, admit that you are a sinner, genuinely desire to turn your back on that sin, and ask Him to forgive you. If you do this, He promises to forgive you.
True Christianity is not about attending a particular church, or how your parents raised you, or what country you were born in. Being a Christian means that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that He is your Savior. It's not good enough that your priest, pastor, mother, or aunt knows Jesus, you must know Him for yourself. They cannot believe in Him for you, you must believe for yourself. They cannot repent for you, you must repent for yourself.
Jesus is everywhere all the time. He can hear you now if you ask Him for forgiveness. Please turn your life over to Him now. Time slips by so quickly, don't miss this opportunity. If you want to pray and ask Jesus to be your Savior, you can say a prayer something like this:
"Jesus, I know that I have sinned against you. I know the truth is that I have sinned by my own choice, and I am the one responsible for it. I know that I have earned punishment from You, and that the fair punishment would be death. Jesus, I believe that You died in my place. Forgive me for my sin. I cannot cover or take my sin away, I am relying totally and only on You. You are the only one who can save me. I reject my sin, I turn away from it, I repent. Come into my life, take away my sin, and show me how to live my life in a way that is right and pleasing to You."
If you have prayed this, YOU ARE SAVED! You are now completely forgiven, a new creation, innocent in the eyes of God. Welcome to the family of God!
It is important for you to start to grow in your relationship with Jesus. Just like any relationship, you need to spend time with someone if you want to know them well. The way to know God is through the Bible. It's also important to find a church you can attend where they teach the Bible. This will allow you to talk with a pastor who will help explain questions you might have, and it will give you a chance to spend time with other Christians who can encourage you.
It is all about love, forgiveness and hope. Nothing but our stubborn pride separates us from God and His will for our lives.
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| Ineed2know wrote: | I am a Christian, a foolish sinner who was saved by the grace and mercy of God and by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. First and foremost, "religion" is man made and anything man touches usually ends up being corrupted. To me and to all true Christians, the Bible is the true Word of God. It is about a relationship with God, not about religion, customs, traditions, heirarchy, etc etc etc.
God's greatest desire is for people to come to know Him personally. The simple truth is that there is a God who created you and loves you very much. (Genesis 1:1) He gave us life and deserves our gratitude and love.
We, however, have chosen to disobey Him and sin against Him; all of us have done wrong and failed to do what is right. (Romans 3:23) We may not be more sinful than our neighbor, or we may be far worse than anyone we know, it does not matter. Either way, we are guilty before God. (1 John 1:
God is perfect, completely good, always right and fair. He cannot tolerate sin. He cannot simply overlook the fact that we have chosen to disobey Him. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death." (Romans 6:23) This means that the fair payment for our rebellion against God is death. It is the punishment that we deserve.
Jesus, the one and only Son of God, came to earth and lived a perfect sinless life. He was crucified even though He was completely innocent. He received the punishment that we deserved. He was the perfect sacrifice, He was put into our place and took on Himself the sentence of death that should have been ours. (Romans 5:
Jesus did not, however, remain dead. After three days, He rose from the grave and later ascended into heaven. He will return for all those who are trusting in Him as their Savior.
Jesus died for you. You can be saved by asking Him for forgiveness from your sins. If you are willing to repent of your sin, He is waiting to forgive you. It doesn't matter what you have done in the past, if you cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, He will not reject you. The word "repent" literally means "to turn away from." You need to look at your life, admit that you are a sinner, genuinely desire to turn your back on that sin, and ask Him to forgive you. If you do this, He promises to forgive you.
True Christianity is not about attending a particular church, or how your parents raised you, or what country you were born in. Being a Christian means that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that He is your Savior. It's not good enough that your priest, pastor, mother, or aunt knows Jesus, you must know Him for yourself. They cannot believe in Him for you, you must believe for yourself. They cannot repent for you, you must repent for yourself.
Jesus is everywhere all the time. He can hear you now if you ask Him for forgiveness. Please turn your life over to Him now. Time slips by so quickly, don't miss this opportunity. If you want to pray and ask Jesus to be your Savior, you can say a prayer something like this:
"Jesus, I know that I have sinned against you. I know the truth is that I have sinned by my own choice, and I am the one responsible for it. I know that I have earned punishment from You, and that the fair punishment would be death. Jesus, I believe that You died in my place. Forgive me for my sin. I cannot cover or take my sin away, I am relying totally and only on You. You are the only one who can save me. I reject my sin, I turn away from it, I repent. Come into my life, take away my sin, and show me how to live my life in a way that is right and pleasing to You."
If you have prayed this, YOU ARE SAVED! You are now completely forgiven, a new creation, innocent in the eyes of God. Welcome to the family of God!
It is important for you to start to grow in your relationship with Jesus. Just like any relationship, you need to spend time with someone if you want to know them well. The way to know God is through the Bible. It's also important to find a church you can attend where they teach the Bible. This will allow you to talk with a pastor who will help explain questions you might have, and it will give you a chance to spend time with other Christians who can encourage you.
It is all about love, forgiveness and hope. Nothing but our stubborn pride separates us from God and His will for our lives. |
By the way, I am not preaching, the above (with the exception of the first and last paragraph) was copied and pasted from my churches' web site (Calvary Chapel) where Chuck Smith is the founder and pastor. I do firmly believe all of it and we all have a choice -nobody is better than anybody else. I also do not know how the smileys got there.
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| Ineed2know wrote: | | Ineed2know wrote: | I am a Christian, a foolish sinner who was saved by the grace and mercy of God and by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. First and foremost, "religion" is man made and anything man touches usually ends up being corrupted. To me and to all true Christians, the Bible is the true Word of God. It is about a relationship with God, not about religion, customs, traditions, heirarchy, etc etc etc.
God's greatest desire is for people to come to know Him personally. The simple truth is that there is a God who created you and loves you very much. (Genesis 1:1) He gave us life and deserves our gratitude and love.
We, however, have chosen to disobey Him and sin against Him; all of us have done wrong and failed to do what is right. (Romans 3:23) We may not be more sinful than our neighbor, or we may be far worse than anyone we know, it does not matter. Either way, we are guilty before God. (1 John 1:
God is perfect, completely good, always right and fair. He cannot tolerate sin. He cannot simply overlook the fact that we have chosen to disobey Him. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death." (Romans 6:23) This means that the fair payment for our rebellion against God is death. It is the punishment that we deserve.
Jesus, the one and only Son of God, came to earth and lived a perfect sinless life. He was crucified even though He was completely innocent. He received the punishment that we deserved. He was the perfect sacrifice, He was put into our place and took on Himself the sentence of death that should have been ours. (Romans 5:
Jesus did not, however, remain dead. After three days, He rose from the grave and later ascended into heaven. He will return for all those who are trusting in Him as their Savior.
Jesus died for you. You can be saved by asking Him for forgiveness from your sins. If you are willing to repent of your sin, He is waiting to forgive you. It doesn't matter what you have done in the past, if you cry out to Jesus for forgiveness, He will not reject you. The word "repent" literally means "to turn away from." You need to look at your life, admit that you are a sinner, genuinely desire to turn your back on that sin, and ask Him to forgive you. If you do this, He promises to forgive you.
True Christianity is not about attending a particular church, or how your parents raised you, or what country you were born in. Being a Christian means that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that He is your Savior. It's not good enough that your priest, pastor, mother, or aunt knows Jesus, you must know Him for yourself. They cannot believe in Him for you, you must believe for yourself. They cannot repent for you, you must repent for yourself.
Jesus is everywhere all the time. He can hear you now if you ask Him for forgiveness. Please turn your life over to Him now. Time slips by so quickly, don't miss this opportunity. If you want to pray and ask Jesus to be your Savior, you can say a prayer something like this:
"Jesus, I know that I have sinned against you. I know the truth is that I have sinned by my own choice, and I am the one responsible for it. I know that I have earned punishment from You, and that the fair punishment would be death. Jesus, I believe that You died in my place. Forgive me for my sin. I cannot cover or take my sin away, I am relying totally and only on You. You are the only one who can save me. I reject my sin, I turn away from it, I repent. Come into my life, take away my sin, and show me how to live my life in a way that is right and pleasing to You."
If you have prayed this, YOU ARE SAVED! You are now completely forgiven, a new creation, innocent in the eyes of God. Welcome to the family of God!
It is important for you to start to grow in your relationship with Jesus. Just like any relationship, you need to spend time with someone if you want to know them well. The way to know God is through the Bible. It's also important to find a church you can attend where they teach the Bible. This will allow you to talk with a pastor who will help explain questions you might have, and it will give you a chance to spend time with other Christians who can encourage you.
It is all about love, forgiveness and hope. Nothing but our stubborn pride separates us from God and His will for our lives. |
By the way, I am not preaching, the above (with the exception of the first and last paragraph) was copied and pasted from my churches' web site (Calvary Chapel) where Chuck Smith is the founder and pastor. I do firmly believe all of it and we all have a choice -nobody is better than anybody else. I also do not know how the smileys got there. |
That's a great post. The word "preaching" has taken on all kinds of nasty connotations but being a lively witness to the Word of God is part of a Christian's obligation to bring all to the fold. Anyway, I think it's a great post.
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In the tsunami of 2004 about 300,000 people were killed. Of those approximately 20,000 were children under the age of three.
What sin did those children commit?
If there is a god with the power to intervene in human affairs and it/he/she/ is merciful then why did it/he/she allow this to happen?
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| frazerclan wrote: | In the tsunami of 2004 about 300,000 people were killed. Of those approximately 20,000 were children under the age of three.
What sin did those children commit?
If there is a god with the power to intervene in human affairs and it/he/she/ is merciful then why did it/he/she allow this to happen? |
What is the connection between sin and dying in a tsunami?
Power to intervene--yes, I believe so--it's the concept of Grace. Why doesnt God intervene every time or even every time someone wants intervention? That's a tougher question but I believe it's because there is a type of divine order and things happen for a particular reason, whether it's recognized or not. Similar to the butterfly effect.
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| frazerclan wrote: | In the tsunami of 2004 about 300,000 people were killed. Of those approximately 20,000 were children under the age of three.
What sin did those children commit?
If there is a god with the power to intervene in human affairs and it/he/she/ is merciful then why did it/he/she allow this to happen? |
That's kind of how I feel. There's a great book called When Bad Things Happen To Good People, by Harold Kushner. He's a rabbi who lost his son to a debilitating disease. He discusses a lot of these types of things. Another book that addresses this is The Brothers Karamozov by Dostoyevsky. I think people have been asking these questions since the beginning of time.
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The odd American 18 year old on a substance abuse holiday I can perhaps understand but 20,000 children under three died in one hit is a big call. Perhaps their sin was that they were not Christians.
So, this god thingy that you are talking about is all powerful but only merciful when it suits it/him/she. Doesn’t sound very Christian does it?
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| frazerclan wrote: | The odd American 18 year old on a substance abuse holiday I can perhaps understand but 20,000 children under three died in one hit is a big call. Perhaps their sin was that they were not Christians.
So, this god thingy that you are talking about is all powerful but only merciful when it suits it/him/she. Doesn’t sound very Christian does it? |
Again why are you equating dying in a disaster with sin?
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Simple. How can a child under three years old have sin?
But why don't you answer the question that followed that statement?
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| frazerclan wrote: | Simple. How can a child under three years old have sin?
But why don't you answer the question that followed that statement? |
I'm answering this question first--I'll go back and look at the other question.
Why do you think dying in a tsunami is the result of sin? Everyone dies, it's not a punishment for sin. I really don't get what you're saying.
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I did answer it in a previous post.
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So your god is all powerful and when it suits it/him/her also merciful. An interesting thing to believe in. Glad you can reconcile that because I certainly cannot.
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| frazerclan wrote: | | So your god is all powerful and when it suits it/him/her also merciful. An interesting thing to believe in. Glad you can reconcile that because I certainly cannot. |
I can't always reconcile it--I didn't get what you were saying before. I don't always understand things that happen, but as I said above--it's my belief that everything happens as part of an overall divine order, not necessarily a pre-set plan. Somethinig that looks tragic and is tragic like the death of a sweet innocent I think serves some purpose to someone somewhere--perhaps it softens the hearts of millions of people, perhaps it brings a global awareness to the sanctity of natural resources, I don't know. I can think of a really rough time in my life, wondering 'what did I do to deserve this' or 'why me, why now' and it would have been easy in those times to lose faith or question God's wisdom or mercy, but I can also say that in each of those instances I came away with something very valuable--so, when I find myself in those situations, which by the grace of God have been very few so far--I remain faithful and know that God has a reason and the hardship serves a purpose even if it's not revealed to me. Doesnt mean I like it, doesnt mean I would necessarily choose to relive the hardships, doesnt mean I don't question.
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| frazerclan wrote: | | So your god is all powerful and when it suits it/him/her also merciful. An interesting thing to believe in. Glad you can reconcile that because I certainly cannot. |
Children or anybody dying in a natural disaster is a tragedy. We sometimes try to rationalize why things happen and question God's infinite wisdom but that is impossible to do. God is also yours, He created you, and the only thing I can say is that you should try to put aside your human pride to allow yourself to see that.
Jesus Christ came into this dark world to reveal God to us in human form and to be an example of humility, love, grace, mercy and forgiveness, and took all our sins upon Himself and died very public, exruciating death, to allow us a gateway into heaven.
You either believe that or you do not. It cannot be forced upon you or anybody else.
Here are the lyrics to a great song by Casting Crowns:
"Voice Of Truth"
Oh what I would do to have
The kind of faith it takes to climb out of this boat I'm in
Onto the crashing waves
To step out of my comfort zone
To the realm of the unknown where Jesus is
And He's holding out his hand
But the waves are calling out my name and they laugh at me
Reminding me of all the times I've tried before and failed
The waves they keep on telling me
Time and time again. 'Boy, you'll never win!'
"You'll never win"
But the voice of truth tells me a different story
And the voice of truth says "Do not be afraid!"
And the voice of truth says "This is for My glory"
Out of all the voices calling out to me
I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth
Oh what I would do to have
The kind of strength it takes to stand before a giant
With just a Sling and a stone
Surrounded by the sound of a thousand warriors
Shaking in their armor
Wishing they'd have had the strength to stand
But the giant's calling out my name and he laughs at me
Reminding me of all the times I've tried before and failed
The giant keeps on telling me
Time and time again "boy, you'll never win!
"You'll never win"
But the stone was just the right size
To put the giant on the ground
And the waves they don't seem so high
From on top of them looking down
I will soar with the wings of eagles
When I stop and listen to the sound of Jesus
Singing over me
I will choose to listen and believe the voice of truth
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| frazerclan wrote: | | So your god is all powerful and when it suits it/him/her also merciful. An interesting thing to believe in. Glad you can reconcile that because I certainly cannot. |
Nor can I, and I've stopped trying.
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God's number one purpose in your life is to make you like Jesus Christ. The Spirit of God uses the Word of God to make the child of God more like the Son of God. And what is Jesus like? His life on earth embodied all nine fruits of the Spirit mentioned in Galatians 5:22: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self- control.
C.S. Lewis says that "God whispers to us in our pleasure but shouts to us in our pain. It often takes a painful situation to get our attention." Anyone who is interested in understanding "the basics" should read "Mere Christianity" written by C. S. Lewis.
Another book to read is "The Purpose Driven Life" by Rick Warren. Some info here........ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren
Anyone who seriously wants to explore the Christian Faith can take the "Alpha Course", it's free and there are over 30,000 courses running all over the world, you can get info on it here: http://alpha.org/
Why does God allow suffering? This is one of seven common objections to the Christian faith that is tackled in a book by Nicky Gumbel called "Searching Issues"
....here is an excerpt from the book...an attorney, and now a circuit judge, Christopher Compston wrote:
Over twenty-three years ago, my first son Harry died after only 36 hours. At the time, his death seemed monstrously unfair and, in one sense, it undoubtedly was. Now, with hindsight, I am quite certain his death was one of the best things that has ever happened to me in that it began the process of breaking me down so that, with God's grace, I could begin to understand how other people felt and how other people suffered.
God often uses suffering to bring about His good purposes, even though it's not always easy to see at the time what God is doing. Those who nailed Jesus to the cross intended it for evil, but God intended it for good. The cross is ultimately a victory because it holds the key to salvation.
Unless you assume a God, the question of life's purpose is meaningless....
Bertrand Russell, atheist
Hope this was informative and was not intended to be "preachy."
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| Lexy wrote: | God's number one purpose in your life is to make you like Jesus Christ. The Spirit of God uses the Word of God to make the child of God more like the Son of God. And what is Jesus like? His life on earth embodied all nine fruits of the Spirit mentioned in Galatians 5:22: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self- control.
C.S. Lewis says that "God whispers to us in our pleasure but shouts to us in our pain. It often takes a painful situation to get our attention." Anyone who is interested in understanding "the basics" should read "Mere Christianity" written by C. S. Lewis.
Another book to read is "The Purpose Driven Life" by Rick Warren. Some info here........ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Warren
Anyone who seriously wants to explore the Christian Faith can take the "Alpha Course", it's free and there are over 30,000 courses running all over the world, you can get info on it here: http://alpha.org/
Why does God allow suffering? This is one of seven common objections to the Christian faith that is tackled in a book by Nicky Gumbel called "Searching Issues"
....here is an excerpt from the book...an attorney, and now a circuit judge, Christopher Compston wrote:
Over twenty-three years ago, my first son Harry died after only 36 hours. At the time, his death seemed monstrously unfair and, in one sense, it undoubtedly was. Now, with hindsight, I am quite certain his death was one of the best things that has ever happened to me in that it began the process of breaking me down so that, with God's grace, I could begin to understand how other people felt and how other people suffered.
God often uses suffering to bring about His good purposes, even though it's not always easy to see at the time what God is doing. Those who nailed Jesus to the cross intended it for evil, but God intended it for good. The cross is ultimately a victory because it holds the key to salvation.
Unless you assume a God, the question of life's purpose is meaningless....
Bertrand Russell, atheist
Hope this was informative and was not intended to be "preachy." |
AMEN TO THAT - Very informative post Lexy
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True Christianity is not about attending a particular church, or how your parents raised you, or what country you were born in. Being a Christian means that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, that He is your Savior. It's not good enough that your priest, pastor, mother, or aunt knows Jesus, you must know Him for yourself. They cannot believe in Him for you, you must believe for yourself. They cannot repent for you, you must repent for yourself.
Jesus is everywhere all the time. He can hear you now if you ask Him for forgiveness. Please turn your life over to Him now. Time slips by so quickly, don't miss this opportunity. If you want to pray and ask Jesus to be your Savior, you can say a prayer something like this:
This above was INeed2Know....sorry for not being able to fix these quotes.
I say the Lord's Prayer every night.
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