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JesseLee
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| victims cry wrote: | | Heli wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | All this supposedly happened last summer, right? |
What the columbian allegedly observed occurred May 29/30, 2005. He supposedly came forward with his story and physical evidence approximately 2 months ago. That's my understanding from info revealed by JQK and Jossy Mansur recently. |
Ok I have two questions.
1. Why do people think the pipe washed up on shore? It seems that from what JQK said, as well as the dives/searches in the last 2 months by ALE it was found in the area that this guy said the body was dumped which would mean divers. As far as not finding it before, remember the "foot by foot" search of the park for chandra levy who was finally found a year later or so or months by a some one, and it was feet from the area searched?
2. The information that i believe isnt jossy's, hes a crazy old man as is his sidekick Art Wood, so anything he said is ummm less than credible. However, I do believe ALE has him detained, he is detained in the NH case (as per Glenda for participating in the disposal of a body) and that they did find a weight (be it pipe or otherwise) near the area of the ocean that carlos pointed out. It also wouldnt surprise me if he did see a rape/murder by a 3rd party who also had a car parked just off the beach. He is there illegally, do we know if he is a crackhead? has a criminal history? etc etc etc.
FYI im pretty sure i know how jossy managed to weave a bit of cloth into his story  Way back when the family was in aruba on the first days, A little girl ran up to beth and another person on the beach, with a piece of teal green thread. Beth cut it in half and gave half to the other person. It was tested and found not to be from clothing let alone natalee's outfit. (which is why even that lying bitch didnt come out with it). I am sure thats jossy's cloth bit! He just weaves everything in to try and make it one story and look like joran |
Good questions, VC! Did you ever get any answers?
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| xxjenniferdawnxx
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| iwabwu wrote: |
There are many kinds of evidence. If one is looking for a body that is different from a car seat or bloodied piece of clothing. MO
Wouldn't you want to talk to the person who may have witnessed your daughters last minutes of life? Perhaps that would provide some closure for Beth and Dave?
I don't think Beth has ever billed herself as an actress - she is just a mom. IMO |
| iwabwu wrote: | We don't know for certain, that the person was dead when they were taken into the water. JMHO
Is it possible that they were just unconscious?
Does Carlos the Columbian know for certain the person was dead at that point? Why would he believe that?
Is it possible that the female awoke and freed herself from the weights?
Perhaps the body (living or dead) was not well secured (hasty work) and floated free a short time later? |
The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead.
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| DiamondDot
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:06 pm |
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| xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran?
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| PerryPeabody
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:10 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | We don't know for certain, that the person was dead when they were taken into the water. JMHO
Is it possible that they were just unconscious?
Does Carlos the Columbian know for certain the person was dead at that point? Why would he believe that?
Is it possible that the female awoke and freed herself from the weights?
Perhaps the body (living or dead) was not well secured (hasty work) and floated free a short time later? |
Your posts are becoming more bizarre each time you post. Perhaps you need some sleep.
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| Heli
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:11 pm |
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| DiamondDot wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran? |
Beth said she wanted to talk to Joran face to face. Joran said he'd talk to Beth and Dave any time they wanted. Great, a meetingof the minds but, NOT SO FAST, Betty decides she'll only talk to Joran if he takes a polygraph test first. She's a piece of work, no doubt about it.
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| iwabwu
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:18 pm |
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| DiamondDot wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran? |
I think Joran's dad didn't want him to talk to Dave, when Dave came to see Joran at the KIA last summer. If Natalee isn't dead, why would they want to talk to Joran, after all this time? Has he ever shown any remorse for the HI story? Any apology? I don't remember one, but it may be out there somewhere. JMHO
Perhaps they'd rather talk to the Kalpoe brothers? Might they shed some light on what happened that night?
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| prolific
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:22 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran? |
I think Joran's dad didn't want him to talk to Dave, when Dave came to see Joran at the KIA last summer. If Natalee isn't dead, why would they want to talk to Joran, after all this time? Has he ever shown any remorse for the HI story? Any apology? I don't remember one, but it may be out there somewhere. JMHO
Perhaps they'd rather talk to the Kalpoe brothers? Might they shed some light on what happened that night? |
Well perhaps you should keep up with the news and read something other than the NE and Globe. Joran has apologized many many times for the HI story. And quite frankly there's no way that the Kalpoes will speak to Beth, they've been burned already.
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| woebegone
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:24 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran? |
I think Joran's dad didn't want him to talk to Dave, when Dave came to see Joran at the KIA last summer. If Natalee isn't dead, why would they want to talk to Joran, after all this time? Has he ever shown any remorse for the HI story? Any apology? I don't remember one, but it may be out there somewhere. JMHO
Perhaps they'd rather talk to the Kalpoe brothers? Might they shed some light on what happened that night? |
Yes, Joran has apologized for the lies he told. As for remorse, just because he doesnt go on television and weep for the American public doesnt mean he has not shown any remorse. My understanding is he has been very remorseful, just has not made a media display if it.
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| Lazlo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:32 pm |
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| reddog wrote: | | so basically it was a white, tall, thin, light haired guy that he identified as joran............. |
Yes, which is obviously BS.
I was at Palm Beach a day ago, at night, and it is very very dark, one cannot even recognize 10 Jorans when standing 15 foot away from them on the beach at night, and this witness was allegedly seeing this from his car parked behind bushes, no way.
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| refugee_lurker_27
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:16 pm |
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| Lazlo wrote: | | reddog wrote: | | so basically it was a white, tall, thin, light haired guy that he identified as joran............. |
Yes, which is obviously BS.
I was at Palm Beach a day ago, at night, and it is very very dark, one cannot even recognize 10 Jorans when standing 15 foot away from them on the beach at night, and this witness was allegedly seeing this from his car parked behind bushes, no way. |
Thanks; just one question -- does anyone already know what phase the moon was in the night in question? A full moon occasionally really lights up the night scenery.
When I heard that this WITNESS was in detention for a very long time, what I thought had happened was not protective custody, nor fear of the witness disappearing --- but rather, that they were testing the veracity of this witness, and if it turns out that they catch him in LIES, then they will charge him.
The tabloid cable television made a big to-do about the fact that a suspect CAN lie, and it's not a chargable offense; but a witness commits a crime if/when they lie to the investigators.
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| Siddalee
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:22 pm |
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According to Wikipedia on May 30, 2005, there was a half-moon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_phase
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| WangChung
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:35 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran? |
Beth said she wanted to talk to Joran face to face. Joran said he'd talk to Beth and Dave any time they wanted. Great, a meetingof the minds but, NOT SO FAST, Betty decides she'll only talk to Joran if he takes a polygraph test first. She's a piece of work, no doubt about it. |
And a piece of shit as well. I wonder why Beth didn't offer to take a polygraph also? Could it be the hundreds of lies she's told that are a matter of public record?  Beth doesn't respond well when her bluffs are called. Remember the Wyndham hotel manager who listened to her screed about being followed by the scar faced man and then offered to review the tapes taken by some of the 350+ cameras on his property? Beth suddenly remembered that the scar faced man was following her at some other hotel.
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| Heli
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:39 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: | | Heli wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | xxjenniferdawnxx wrote: | | The last time I checked people don't look for live bodies lying around in a dump. Likewise, why would Beth and Dave need to talk to a witness for closure when he merely witnessed a body being carried out to the ocean, no murder involved? You don't find closure from talking to a person who witnessed someone carrying your daughter out in the ocean when there's a distinct possibly that she is may still alive. Your statements sure do give the impression that the girl is dead. |
Beth/Dave wanting to talk to someone for closure is bullshit. Have they talked to Joran? |
Beth said she wanted to talk to Joran face to face. Joran said he'd talk to Beth and Dave any time they wanted. Great, a meetingof the minds but, NOT SO FAST, Betty decides she'll only talk to Joran if he takes a polygraph test first. She's a piece of work, no doubt about it. |
And a piece of shit as well. I wonder why Beth didn't offer to take a polygraph also? Could it be the hundreds of lies she's told that are a matter of public record? Beth doesn't respond well when her bluffs are called. Remember the Wyndham hotel manager who listened to her screed about being followed by the scar faced man and then offered to review the tapes taken by some of the 350+ cameras on his property? Beth suddenly remembered that the scar faced man was following her at some other hotel. |
.... and forgot she'd given him her cell phone # the night before ...... 
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| Kafka
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| refugee_lurker_27 wrote: | | Lazlo wrote: | | reddog wrote: | | so basically it was a white, tall, thin, light haired guy that he identified as joran............. |
Yes, which is obviously BS.
I was at Palm Beach a day ago, at night, and it is very very dark, one cannot even recognize 10 Jorans when standing 15 foot away from them on the beach at night, and this witness was allegedly seeing this from his car parked behind bushes, no way. |
Thanks; just one question -- does anyone already know what phase the moon was in the night in question? A full moon occasionally really lights up the night scenery.
When I heard that this WITNESS was in detention for a very long time, what I thought had happened was not protective custody, nor fear of the witness disappearing --- but rather, that they were testing the veracity of this witness, and if it turns out that they catch him in LIES, then they will charge him.
The tabloid cable television made a big to-do about the fact that a suspect CAN lie, and it's not a chargable offense; but a witness commits a crime if/when they lie to the investigators. |
Here you are:
U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department
Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Aruba (longitude W69.8, latitude N12.5):
Sunday
29 May 2005 Universal Time - 4h
SUN
Begin civil twilight 05:50
Sunrise 06:13
Sun transit 12:37
Sunset 19:01
End civil twilight 19:24
MOON
Moonset 11:00 on preceding day
Moonrise 00:08
Moon transit 06:03
Moonset 12:00
Moonrise 00:54 on following day
Phase of the Moon on 29 May: waning gibbous with 59% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.
Last quarter Moon on 30 May 2005 at 07:47 (Universal Time - 4h).
source: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/cgi-bin/aa_pap.pl
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