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writergal
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:35 pm |
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| Sami wrote: | Thank you for that, Glenda.
How bizarre that they are going to figure out what happened to Natalee on April Fool's Day!  |
Doesn't seem as if they did, unless I missed something.
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| BhamMom
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Sami,
Bizarre things happen on April Fool's Day. For one, I conceived. 
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| DiamondDot
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:13 pm |
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| Glenda wrote: |
Why did they wait till 1pm (12 noon BHT time) to call Beth and 2PM Aruba time to call the Aruban Police. Why didn't anyone call the hospital to see if she had been in an accident?
I know of at least 123 students and 7 chaperones who should have never been allowed to leave Mountain Brook without getting a "Save Yourself" certification first. The responsiblity is is Mountain Brook for pretending to be so naive.
Everything you ever needed to learn was in Kindergarten.
Never Talk to or get into a car with Strangers!
Stay with your buddy!
Alert an adult for help if you have a problem.
Cover your drink! 
Don't drink too much koolaide, it will make you sick!
Know your parents, their names, phone #s and addresses. |
Who called Beth first? Tour organizer, chaperone or FEB?
When did Beth get the call from Natalee about 'blue-eyes'? 29th?
Was the report given to the 'Beach Patrol' an active missing persons report or runaway?
TIA, Glenda.
In regards to your post, i don't understand why NONE of the students rallied in at least a brief search of the area. They wanted to get the HELL out of Dodge. Lots of those kids witnessed Natalee's behavior the night before. Nobody gave a shit?
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| Kellan
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| DiamondDot wrote: |
In regards to your post, i don't understand why NONE of the students rallied in at least a brief search of the area. They wanted to get the HELL out of Dodge. Lots of those kids witnessed Natalee's behavior the night before. Nobody gave a shit? |
That is really really sad. Especially since so many of her bestest friends were there. 
Kellan
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| Karamel
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Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:57 pm |
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| Kellan wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: |
In regards to your post, i don't understand why NONE of the students rallied in at least a brief search of the area. They wanted to get the HELL out of Dodge. Lots of those kids witnessed Natalee's behavior the night before. Nobody gave a shit? |
That is really really sad. Especially since so many of her bestest friends were there.
Kellan |
It is. Could you see yourself just getting on the plane to return home, Kellan? I cant. Plane tickets can be changed, and listen, honestly, those friends could afford it.
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| Kellan
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| Karamel wrote: |
It is. Could you see yourself just getting on the plane to return home, Kellan? I cant. Plane tickets can be changed, and listen, honestly, those friends could afford it. |
No, I can't. Not for one of my best friends. I would be FREAKING - crying -calling the hospitals - the Dutch Marines - anybody and everybody.
Not if I was one of her close friends. Not in a million years.
Kellan
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| Trixie
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| DiamondDot wrote: | | Glenda wrote: |
Why did they wait till 1pm (12 noon BHT time) to call Beth and 2PM Aruba time to call the Aruban Police. Why didn't anyone call the hospital to see if she had been in an accident?
I know of at least 123 students and 7 chaperones who should have never been allowed to leave Mountain Brook without getting a "Save Yourself" certification first. The responsiblity is is Mountain Brook for pretending to be so naive.
Everything you ever needed to learn was in Kindergarten.
Never Talk to or get into a car with Strangers!
Stay with your buddy!
Alert an adult for help if you have a problem.
Cover your drink!
Don't drink too much koolaide, it will make you sick!
Know your parents, their names, phone #s and addresses. |
Who called Beth first? Tour organizer, chaperone or FEB?
When did Beth get the call from Natalee about 'blue-eyes'? 29th?
Was the report given to the 'Beach Patrol' an active missing persons report or runaway?
TIA, Glenda.
In regards to your post, i don't understand why NONE of the students rallied in at least a brief search of the area. They wanted to get the HELL out of Dodge. Lots of those kids witnessed Natalee's behavior the night before. Nobody gave a shit? |
I remember that Ruth McVay called Beth from the airport and Ruth was on the early flight.
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| Fiery
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Francis Ellen Byrd: We immediately knew something was wrong, because she was the first one to wake up. And when her roommates knocked on my door and said that they didn't know where she was, we went straight to the chaperones and they immediately started working on it.
Interviewer: They suspected Natalee was still on the island because in her room they found her luggage.
Francis Ellen Byrd: Right.
Interviewer: Found her passport.
Francis Ellen Byrd: Right.
Interviewer: But no Natalee?
Francis Ellen Byrd: Right. source
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Frances Ellen Byrd: I figured out something was wrong when my friends came to knock on my door in the morning asking where she was, because Natalee was the first one up. She is the most responsible out of all of my friends. And we all—Natalee is the leader of our friends. And when she wasn‘t there, we went straight—straight to the chaperons because something—we knew something was wrong. source
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McVay: (about the morning of the flight home) We thought she slept in another room so as not to wake us up. We thought she was being polite.We started walking down the halls knocking on all the doors. We told the chaperone, 'There's a problem, she's not here." source
Ruth McVay: (about the flight) As we were boarding, we called Beth. We were freaking out on the plane ride, trying to figure out anything that could have happened. source
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Claire Fierman: (When did Claire realize Natalee was not there the next day?) The next morning, I was on an earlier flight than everybody else, and Francis Ellen, one of our friends, came and found me and Katherine in the airport and told us that Natalee wasn`t flying home, that they did not know where she was. source
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Katherine Weatherly:(When did Katherine realize Natalee was not there the next day?) I realized the same time as Claire, actually, but, at the time, we thought maybe she slept in. We didn`t... I mean, we were very concerned, but we thought she would be coming home. We... well, we had to get on the plane immediately after that, and we got on the plane... source
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Katherine Weatherly: (Had anyone tried to call Natalee?) Oh, yes. People... we were getting... her cell phone was in her room at the time. She didn`t take her cell phone with her. source
Katherine Weatherly:(Did Katherine try to call Natalee before she got on the plane?) No. We knew that she didn`t have her cell phone with her, so there was no point in calling, If she... because... well, they... I wasn`t there when they realized that she was missing. I was told in the airport. But, I know that other people did, and... but realized that she didn`t have her phone with her. source
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Katherine Weatherly: (Why would anybody know Natalee didn`t have her phone with her?) Because they saw her phone in the hotel room. She hadn`t taken it out with her that the night. source
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Katherine Weatherly:(Did other people try to call Natalee on her cell phone?) No. Well, no. They... no. They didn`t. Everyone knew, when the next morning that her cell phone was there. I was just saying that we would have tried to call her. I don`t know if people actually did try and call her or not, but the people that were in her room knew that she hadn`t had her phone that night. source
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Jay Weinacker: We went to check in for our airplane, and she wasn't there, and she's been missing since then. source
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| S_FL
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With the money those girls have, they could have easily switched to the later flight or taken a flight the next day. I want to know why they didn't search AT ALL for Natalee. No looking outside the HI, no phone calls to hospitals, no phone calls to Joran. That's the questions that ALE or the FBI need to ask these friends. I think what happened to Natalee is very telling by their actions, or lack of.
I think Natalee OD'ed in their prescence. Did these girls have access to a boat? Does anyone's family (in MB) who owns a house or timeshare in Aruba, have a boat?
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| Fiery
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Anne Campbell Brown, Holly Graves Brown, Jeremy Edward Brown, Katherine Lee Brown, Ruth Ann Brown,
are all these brown's sibs?
We've only heard from Holly Brown. Is Jeremy the one who went home at a different time?
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| pax
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| S_FL wrote: | With the money those girls have, they could have easily switched to the later flight or taken a flight the next day. I want to know why they didn't search AT ALL for Natalee. No looking outside the HI, no phone calls to hospitals, no phone calls to Joran. That's the questions that ALE or the FBI need to ask these friends. I think what happened to Natalee is very telling by their actions, or lack of.
I think Natalee OD'ed in their prescence. Did these girls have access to a boat? Does anyone's family (in MB) who owns a house or timeshare in Aruba, have a boat? |
I am beginning to think the same, that Natalee's died in their presence.
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| GeorgiaMom
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| pax wrote: | | S_FL wrote: | With the money those girls have, they could have easily switched to the later flight or taken a flight the next day. I want to know why they didn't search AT ALL for Natalee. No looking outside the HI, no phone calls to hospitals, no phone calls to Joran. That's the questions that ALE or the FBI need to ask these friends. I think what happened to Natalee is very telling by their actions, or lack of.
I think Natalee OD'ed in their prescence. Did these girls have access to a boat? Does anyone's family (in MB) who owns a house or timeshare in Aruba, have a boat? |
I am beginning to think the same, that Natalee's died in their presence. |
At times I think the same, but then again I feel the same as I do with the boys. It's beyond my imagination to think that one wouldn't have slipped up and told what they know by now.
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| lushus
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:21 am |
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| Karamel wrote: | | writergal wrote: | | Karamel wrote: | | S_FL wrote: | | But doesn't ALE have them on tape not only talking to these known drug dealers, but also purchasing drugs from them? I know there is a rumor out that Natalee was on video purchasing drugs. |
From what I understand, they do have it on tape.
And, if you believe Dompig, he stated something like they have proof that she was in possession of drugs. |
There was alleged to have been a tape in which Natalee was having some sort of interaction--not necessarily buying drugs, perhaps asking directions--with one of the two guys who was arrested.
Dompig said that his witnesses told him natalee was in possesson of drugs, not that she was taking them. But then, what was she doing with them? Retailing? |
Research for med school? |
That was my exact thought!!
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| ipsec
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:29 am |
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| pax wrote: | | I am beginning to think the same, that Natalee's died in their presence. |
I agree. If she didn't willingly run away (of which there's ample reason she'd want to), I think her classmates had a lot more to do with her final disposition than J2K.
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| S_FL
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Here's what I was just thinking:
Since, Joran won money back for Ruth and Ruth called Joran her lucky charm, and then Ruth got Joran's cell phone number, what if it what was already assumed that Natalee would hook up with Kevin, so Ruth was now trying to hook up with Joran. The girl(s) (not sure who) invite Joran to C&C's. In between being at the casino and going to C&C's, the girls all talk about who they might possibly hook up with tonight (an extension of their dinner conversation about hooking up). Now before they go to C&C's, Ruth makes it pretty clear to all of her friends that she wants Joran (her lucky charm, she's the one that got his number). All girls know you don't step on your good friends toes (aka take the guy your friend likes/wants). Natalee committed a big backstabbing no-no that night. Remember Joran said that as soon as he walked into C&C's, Natalee was on the dance floor, she spotted him instantly and she wanted him to come up and dance with her (was begging him). Ruth and the friends see Natalee getting drinks with Joran, Joran taking belly shots off of her navel, Natalee dancing provactively with Joran, and Natalee announces later that she is leaving with him (the signal for hook-up claim).
Ruth is hurt and mad that Natalee took her man. She gets her friends to side with her and they are now all mad at Natalee for breaking a big friendship code (don't take the man your friend likes/wants). Ruth was so excited for Joran to come to C&C's and she really liked him. Natalee's friends were disgusted by Natalee's behavior. They couldn't believe Natalee would do that to Ruth. Many of the girls go back to the hotel with Ruth because she is so upset (FEB, etc). Some stay but that's because other friends are taking care of Ruth.
Now, the next morning: Natalee is not there and her friends assume that Natalee has hooked up with Joran and has crashed at his place, thinking Natalee is still asleep. Her friends are still mad at her, espeically Ruth. They've been talking all night about how much Natalee is a back stabber and doesn't care about her friends. If Natalee would do this Ruth, she would do it to any of her friends.
They do the right thing by notifying the chaperones that Natalee isn't with them. They never search for Natalee outside the HI or make phone calls to the hosptial or to Joran because they assume that she is okay, just sleeping and hungover at Joran's. Ruth begs and pleads with the girls not to alert Natalee to the upcoming air departure. Ruth is still so mad and set on getting revenge (thinking wouldn't it be funny if Natalee showed up at the airport at 3pm, and we had all left, how would the little backstabber Natalee explain to her parents where she was the night before.) They would have called Joran's cell phone had Natalee not backstabbed a good friend by being with him in the first place.
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Alittle far fetched but
After leaving/being left my Joran....what if Natalee met up with some other folks with a boat or maybe she had already met them. I know what ALE said about it's radar boat tracking system..but there are lots of boats around, don't know how they know who is on every last one of them but there were lots of boats floating around for the concert. These folks or guy sail around the area...Natalee goes...she decides to try that life for awhile. Maybe...she knows or maybe she doesn't about the fire storm that subsequently happened. The opportunity came and she seized it.
If she does know, she figures better left alone. The one place she could possibly go "home" to is back to Arkansas. Certainly not Mountain Brook.
Just about everyone I know dreams about just "sailing away" now and then but we just don't have the opportunity.
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| justamom
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| S_FL wrote: | Here's what I was just thinking:
Since, Joran won money back for Ruth and Ruth called Joran her lucky charm, and then Ruth got Joran's cell phone number, what if it what was already assumed that Natalee would hook up with Kevin, so Ruth was now trying to hook up with Joran. The girl(s) (not sure who) invite Joran to C&C's. In between being at the casino and going to C&C's, the girls all talk about who they might possibly hook up with tonight (an extension of their dinner conversation about hooking up). Now before they go to C&C's, Ruth makes it pretty clear to all of her friends that she wants Joran (her lucky charm, she's the one that got his number). All girls know you don't step on your good friends toes (aka take the guy your friend likes/wants). Natalee committed a big backstabbing no-no that night. Remember Joran said that as soon as he walked into C&C's, Natalee was on the dance floor, she spotted him instantly and she wanted him to come up and dance with her (was begging him). Ruth and the friends see Natalee getting drinks with Joran, Joran taking belly shots off of her navel, Natalee dancing provactively with Joran, and Natalee announces later that she is leaving with him (the signal for hook-up claim).
Ruth is hurt and mad that Natalee took her man. She gets her friends to side with her and they are now all mad at Natalee for breaking a big friendship code (don't take the man your friend likes/wants). Ruth was so excited for Joran to come to C&C's and she really liked him. Natalee's friends were disgusted by Natalee's behavior. They couldn't believe Natalee would do that to Ruth. Many of the girls go back to the hotel with Ruth because she is so upset (FEB, etc). Some stay but that's because other friends are taking care of Ruth.
Now, the next morning: Natalee is not there and her friends assume that Natalee has hooked up with Joran and has crashed at his place, thinking Natalee is still asleep. Her friends are still mad at her, espeically Ruth. They've been talking all night about how much Natalee is a back stabber and doesn't care about her friends. If Natalee would do this Ruth, she would do it to any of her friends.
They do the right thing by notifying the chaperones that Natalee isn't with them. They never search for Natalee outside the HI or make phone calls to the hosptial or to Joran because they assume that she is okay, just sleeping and hungover at Joran's. Ruth begs and pleads with the girls not to alert Natalee to the upcoming air departure. Ruth is still so mad and set on getting revenge (thinking wouldn't it be funny if Natalee showed up at the airport at 3pm, and we had all left, how would the little backstabber Natalee explain to her parents where she was the night before.) They would have called Joran's cell phone had Natalee not backstabbed a good friend by being with him in the first place. |
I have thought similiar except didnt ruth leave early? Its possible ruth didnt sit around waiting on joran and hooked up with someone else entirely. The rest seems pretty plausible bc even if Ruth hooked up with someone else generally one doesnt take off with someone that their friend likes.
I think they all planned to have a final hook up and Joran came in so late, natalee wasnt hooked up, and she went with him. Who did everyone else go off with though?
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Some one mentioned early on in this thread that the Dutch police, Aruban police were close to finding Natalee's body, and arresting the suspects, and closing the case.
ARE YOU KIDDING?
These guys haven't a clue where Natalee is. They have been promising for months, on many fronts, and have never delivered.
A new, credible witness? They couldn't come up with a name for the FBI!
There is no credible witness, there is no body to be found, and there are no arrests pending anything.
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| BettiePage
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| mgrfin wrote: | Some one mentioned early on in this thread that the Dutch police, Aruban police were close to finding Natalee's body, and arresting the suspects, and closing the case.
ARE YOU KIDDING?
These guys haven't a clue where Natalee is. They have been promising for months, on many fronts, and have never delivered.
A new, credible witness? They couldn't come up with a name for the FBI!
There is no credible witness, there is no body to be found, and there are no arrests pending anything. |
I'm not buying into this business of the FBI requiring a name for the latest tipster or they wouldn't co-operate with ALE in the latest searches.
Most tip lines ensure the anonymity of the person calling in and giving information. Moreover, it seems the person giving information didn't call a tip line but a bartender and/or the radio station.
Beth Twitty wants to float the story that D.C. Dompig refused to give the name of the tipster to the FBI but like most things that come from Twitty's mouth, I don't buy it....at least not in the simplistic form she's proposing it.
There's much more to the FBI's non-participation in the latest searches than Beth Twitty is telling.
Most of us were NOT born yesterday Beth !! 
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| JesseLee
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| BettiePage wrote: |
There's much more to the FBI's non-participation in the latest searches than Beth Twitty is telling.
Most of us were NOT born yesterday Beth !! |
The FBIs role has always been a puzzle to me. Can you shed any light?
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| BettiePage wrote: | | mgrfin wrote: | Some one mentioned early on in this thread that the Dutch police, Aruban police were close to finding Natalee's body, and arresting the suspects, and closing the case.
ARE YOU KIDDING?
These guys haven't a clue where Natalee is. They have been promising for months, on many fronts, and have never delivered.
A new, credible witness? They couldn't come up with a name for the FBI!
There is no credible witness, there is no body to be found, and there are no arrests pending anything. |
I'm not buying into this business of the FBI requiring a name for the latest tipster or they wouldn't co-operate with ALE in the latest searches.
Most tip lines ensure the anonymity of the person calling in and giving information. Moreover, it seems the person giving information didn't call a tip line but a bartender and/or the radio station.
Beth Twitty wants to float the story that D.C. Dompig refused to give the name of the tipster to the FBI but like most things that come from Twitty's mouth, I don't buy it....at least not in the simplistic form she's proposing it.
There's much more to the FBI's non-participation in the latest searches than Beth Twitty is telling.
Most of us were NOT born yesterday Beth !! |
The FBI is obviously very involved, but they don't want Beth to know that they have a lot of information. They have dealt with Beth's type before. If they claim to not have any information, then Beth can't pester them to tell her or JQK information. It's all about strategy for the FBI. Beth bought their "ALE won't give us info." If the FBI knows what Senator Bachus knows (which you know they do), I guarantee the FBI is playing dumb with Beth, and she is buying it. ALE and FBI are playing good cop, bad cop with her, and she's fallen for it.
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| JesseLee wrote: | | BettiePage wrote: |
There's much more to the FBI's non-participation in the latest searches than Beth Twitty is telling.
Most of us were NOT born yesterday Beth !! |
The FBIs role has always been a puzzle to me. Can you shed any light? |
I certainly don't have an inside track to the FBI but it's been well documented that the FBI was in Aruba within the first 48 hours of Natalee disappearing. As many as 12 FBI agents were in Aruba for a lengthy period of time, FBI forensic experts assisted in the execution of the search warrant at the van der Sloot property.
FBI agents were present as observers and consultants throughout the incarceration of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. They observed interrogations and no doubt had input in that process.
Those who continue to maintain that there was a coverup by ALE and protection afforded to Joran as the son of a Judge in Training, I'd say you also have to concede then that the FBI agents in Aruba colluded with ALE in any coverup and/or immunity given to the van der Sloots.
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| Glenda
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| BettiePage wrote: | | JesseLee wrote: | | BettiePage wrote: |
There's much more to the FBI's non-participation in the latest searches than Beth Twitty is telling.
Most of us were NOT born yesterday Beth !! |
The FBIs role has always been a puzzle to me. Can you shed any light? |
I certainly don't have an inside track to the FBI but it's been well documented that the FBI was in Aruba within the first 48 hours of Natalee disappearing. As many as 12 FBI agents were in Aruba for a lengthy period of time, FBI forensic experts assisted in the execution of the search warrant at the van der Sloot property.
FBI agents were present as observers and consultants throughout the incarceration of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. They observed interrogations and no doubt had input in that process.
Those who continue to maintain that there was a coverup by ALE and protection afforded to Joran as the son of a Judge in Training, I'd say you also have to concede then that the FBI agents in Aruba colluded with ALE in any coverup and/or immunity given to the van der Sloots. |
BettyPage, you are absolutely correct. There is NO WAY IN HELL that the FBI was kept in the dark. This just didn't happen.
I think MAYBE somebody was giving somebody enough rope to hang themselves. 
I could be wrong, but it seems more likely than a 17 year-old pulling the wool over on the FBI and Dutch equivalent.
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Thanks BettyPage, S_FL, and Glenda for illuminating. Assume what Bacchus knows that we know is what MB kids have said re Natalee's behavior in Aruba? Assume the rope FBI is giving is for Beth to hang herself?
I was taken aback when I learned FBI interviews of the kids had only been done my phone at first.
I'm stunned at the total FBI silence about this case since it has become so huge and has so many implications beyond a missing girl. Potential fraud by family and definite manipulation of information by media, just to name two examples.
(edited for typo)
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| Elaine S
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Sun Apr 02, 2006 5:45 pm |
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| BettiePage wrote: | | JesseLee wrote: | | BettiePage wrote: |
There's much more to the FBI's non-participation in the latest searches than Beth Twitty is telling.
Most of us were NOT born yesterday Beth !! |
The FBIs role has always been a puzzle to me. Can you shed any light? |
I certainly don't have an inside track to the FBI but it's been well documented that the FBI was in Aruba within the first 48 hours of Natalee disappearing. As many as 12 FBI agents were in Aruba for a lengthy period of time, FBI forensic experts assisted in the execution of the search warrant at the van der Sloot property.
FBI agents were present as observers and consultants throughout the incarceration of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. They observed interrogations and no doubt had input in that process.
Those who continue to maintain that there was a coverup by ALE and protection afforded to Joran as the son of a Judge in Training, I'd say you also have to concede then that the FBI agents in Aruba colluded with ALE in any coverup and/or immunity given to the van der Sloots. |
Great post!! For the record, the FBI were also in the room along with Aruban and Dutch interrogators when Steve Croes was interrogated, and told his story 9 times!
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