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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:59 pm

Dana Pretzer June 18 Jossy Interview TRANSCRIPT

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Dana Pretzer with Jossy Mansur June 18, 2006
Because of problem with streaming I'm picking this up in progress.

Dana:

What can you tell us about the rock painting

Jossy;

...a year before the Natalee disappearance, they haven't been able to identify him, the body belongs to a Columbian boy whose parents are illegal, they didn't want to come forward and didn't have money to come forward. The ppl in the video ,our reporters have identifed members of the visiblity team. One of the ppl belongs to the technical team of the police...

I don't know their names, but they were with the visibility teams which is supposed to take care of the security of tourists at the hotels and the beaches

Dane:

What are those paintings all about

Jossy

It's to mark the spot, we were also told that part of the body was missing, they would come back later to search, What bothers us is near the rock painting was found the belt which was extremely similar to the belt that Joran used around the neck of his friend.. CLose to the rock Dave went with a friend by there, they saw a police car with the trunk open as though they were puting somethin in it. It bothers me those two facts.

Dana:

It just adds to the bizarresness of the whole case. One question, I've seen photos, you mention the belt, you mention DAve, back on July 25, 2005 I see pictures that a park ranger picks up fabric and it looks to me similar fabric to a top that Natalee was wearing, But we were told it was fish net, but if you look at the picture it looks like her top for sure.

JossY

It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confrim it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again

Dana

Any forensic work done on any of the evidence which you say has disappeared.

Jossy;

It was given to the authorities and it must have been sent to Holland I guess... but just like those bags full of material from Joran's apartment we didn't hear anything more about it.

Dana:

Jossy Mansur from Diario is here tonight. It's over a year later and I thank Jossy for spending time with us tonight. Something we haven't heard about for awhile is the civil suit brought by Paul van der Sloot

Jossy

It has been postponed for a ruling, the Judge will rule but on the date it was postponed for a later day in July, but the judgment will be given in July

Dana

From e-mail here ..the basis of the question is "why as far as I know no charges been brought against casinos that allow Joran to drink and gamble. Can any charges be brought against Joran for allowing him to participate, why has he not been held accountable for those illegal activities. How big of a problem is that in Aruba?

JossY

It hasn't but it should be, because he will have a 17 year old boy going to the casino, gambling away night after night, at least over the weekends for sure. Sometimes accompannied by his father who teaches criminal law at the university and is a replacemnt Judge. The law says a minor can't gamble under age and his father was there with him. Nobody has even given them a reprimand or a fine which they deserve.

Dana:

"When are we going to hear the report from the Prosecutor to investigate the investigation.

JossY;

We are all asking the same question because it's about the time for the Prosecution to present the case in Court. We've seen change in the lead investigators, tons of documentation of all the interrogation that took place, some of which was very important. It's all dragging along, I dont' know what they're waiting for.

Dana:

As far as a time limit, what is it as far as the prosecution bringing charges?

JossY

There is no time limit, it's like anywhere else. It doesn't come to a conclusion after 5 or 10 years. They remain suspects for 2 years but there's no time limit on the charges.

Dana:

I'm glad to hear that. I'm troubled with the 2 year limit as far as being a suspect. Could you clarify that, let's say 2 years and 1 day evidence comes forward that's concrete that implicates the suspects..how does it affect

JossY;

It doesn't mean if there's evidence they can't arrest them. For 2 years being suspect it means they don't have to get any additional evidence to bring them in

Dana;

After 2 years, that doesn't mean somebody is off the hook, they need direct evidence to bring them in again after two years.

Heres's a question, about the media in Aruba, in particular Julia Renfro. Is it fair for other media people to speak about her, as far as her investigative reporting and any biases that go either way and the professionalism thereof. COuld you comment on her, we hear she's writing a book, are there other cases of media in Aruba that just should be brought forward as far as bad reporting goes

JossY

I can't comment on a colleague, but I'll say she's been proven wrong many times I dont know why she's writing a book for what purpose or objective with that. The best thing she can do is reporting the facts, and stop being against the family like she is now.

Dana:

The media in general, where do you think now that the television cameras aren't in Aruba as much as they once were. The story we're trying to keep alive to help the family get closure. The every day type of media outlet in Aruba, when this story has slown down, where do they go?

JossY

For the media at least it's politics, the labour movement, the social situation, the government mismanagement of funds or whatever else they mismanage which is everything. They keep busy, they dedicate themselves to many things on the island.

Dana;

we're seeing problems with the police, walkouts....

Jossy

They walked out on Friday and the Judge ordered them back. They had minister of Justice problems from the beginning, they were promised many things, bonuses and overtime..so they're not happy. When this case broke, there was a big confrontation between the police and the minister, they were half heartedly looking into it in the beginning.

Dana:

Without getting into dollar limits, a 3 or 4 year police officer in Aruba, are they well paid, poorly paid,...are they ligning up to serve as officers or is it a job nobody wants

Jossy

They have many candidates, we have a school for police. I don't think the police are well paid, they just have sufficient income to get by on. They are the ones who take all the risks, all the investigations.

Dana:

Ppl are looking for your Diario articles in english

JossY:

We are working on that to put it on the internet. we have to get the right people to translate. Some american people have done translations of our articles and they're terrible.

Dana:

Regarding the rocks and finding the body of the young boy. there was never any story printed in the newspapers, when they were looking for Natalee. How can that be that it was ignored? Was it because of the Holloway case?

JossY';

It was reported, it wasn't reported in detail because the police and prosecution dont' give out much detail. They keep everything secret when they're investigating..that's why we have to as reporters we have to go out in the field to dig for the answers

Dana:

Paulus had a letter apparently from Natalee which he was going to turn over, what can you tell us about that?

JossY

I don't think there was a letter, I haven't seen any proof that Natalee wrote hinm a letter.

Dana:

Maybe I understood the question wrong in this e-mail ..

Jossy;

We heard that, we didn't pay any attention, it's nonsense.

Dana:

Carlos has been in custody for 5 weeks, can you tell us about him?

JossY

Carlos is a witness, it's been leaked from the police. I can tell you, Carlos came through another lady that works in a newspaper, she came to me told me I have a friend who wants to tell you some things b/c he trusts you. I accepted this Carlos and he told me a story that he was at home he had discussion with his wife in Columbia, he wanted to relax and got in to his car drove to a beach far to the North past the lighthouse. He put his car behind some bushes and slept, he was awakened by a wonman screaming..a woman was saying no no no...according to him he saw one of these suspects with a girl that suddenly became silent. He took something from the trunk, put the girl in it and went into the ocean, he swam with the body out in the ocean, came back got in his car and left.

He's still in custody. He claims to have two pieces of evidence which he must have handed over to the police by now. I hope it doesn't disappear or rather that it doens't go somehwere and we never hear anymore about. I hope we get results back for a change

Dana:

The re-enactment on the aruban version or Dutch version of AMW, was there ever any follow up from that, tips that came in that were useful

JossY

There were many tips that came in but none of it was used, we haven't seen any follow up from that program that contributed in any way whatsoever to the case. I don't think anything useful came out of the program.

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Heli

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:04 pm

Dana:

Lorenzo van Rijn, has several homes one was searched the other not. What can you tell us about this guy?

JossY

I do know what our reporters have been able to find, he's a half brother of Joran. He has a boat, he lives in a secluded section of the island, very close to Joran. I don't know if he was questioned ... but ppl mention his name quite often in regard to this case.

Dana:

When you and I talked last week, we talked about searching the van der Sloot home, I took a call from somebody who claimed the entire house had been searched

JossY

As far as we know the house itself was not searched, Joran's apartment they took quite a bit of stuff. In the yard they discovered there is an exterior basement or well, we heard that and we heard that Tim Miller tried to get in there by any means possible to rule out that that property has any possible place a body may be found. But they never had permission fron Paulus

Dana:

Have they considered searching his home, any further discussion about that

JossY

No, none whateover, it's been discarded, you need a Court Order, search warrant to do that

Dana:

You made a comment about Natalee and who she was with, ..

JossY;'

I don't think it will take 6 months, the Prosecutor said it will come forward in January and March and then June ... but it's very hard for us to find out from her because there's a gag order. She will take calls from ppl outside of Aruba but she won't take them from us. She never answers directly, it's hard to know what she's planning or when she plans to take this to COurt

Dana:

What's your speculation as to what happend to Natalee?

JossY

My speculation is that Natalee was harmed by one or 3 of these suspects. It's hard to believe that 3 ppl that were with her don't know what happened. They didn't leave her at the HI, not to the beach, they took her to Joran's apartment, I don't know what happened...Joran admitted something bad happened...why would Deepak tell him in the police car if they found the body he'd be in prison for 15 years.

Dana:

We touched a little bit on that, but regarding the Kalpoes and their alleged culpability. We talked about them being quiet in the media, can you speculate again about the involvement of the Kalpoe brothers. Will eventually one of them that was there come forward and turn state's evidence.

JossY;

I think one of them will talk sooner or later. It's hard to determine the involvemnet of the Kalpoes...why would they invent all these stories with Joran. We very well know they took her to the apartment, they didn't go to the lighthouse, the Kalpoes are involved in the sense they know what happened to Natalee.

Dana:

Thank you Jossy for joining me for Part 2 of our interview.

JossY;

If I can answer any questions I'll be happy to do that at any time.

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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:06 pm

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Heli

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:08 pm

Dana:

Jossy is a class act on the island, with so few. As far as police go, you can have police training but you have to know what to do with the training. You have to know what to do with the training, you have to know how to apply it, have the communication skills etc.

If the FBI had been involved from Day 1 .... ego gets in the way and if one jurisdiction can help then they should be invited to do that.

We'll take a few calls if you want to comment on tonight's second portion of my interview with Jossy Mansur. This guy is a class act, I don't give a rat's hiny about you negative guys out there, he's spoken his mind sincerely and gave the information he believes is accurrate. To try to help the family, society and the people of ARuba. This case will never go away, but the family definitely needs closure. If what he says about a Court case, charges and going to trial, if that's true or accurrate, then that's a good thing. But to find Natalee and get closure for the family is a better thing.

Don't bring them to Court unless you have evidence to convict them.

Caller:

I wanted to follow up about the painted rocks. It doesn't make any sense that that's a one year old crime scene and they were painting the rocks on June 10, 2005. We heard it was art work, it just seems to be the latest version of the non truth

Dana:

He's giving the info that's been given to him. I don't know if he buys it, it's an interesting bizaressness to this case about a 7 year old's body that was recovered

Dana:

The rock thing is as bizarre as it's going to get. There are a lot of bizarre things that come out of Aruba. I'm looking at the picture of that cloth, the explanation of fish net..one of the things that really concerns me is Jossy's comments about evidence disappearing. Has it literrally disappeared.

Caller from Illinois:

If you have Jossy back on, ask him how the law differs there, a journalist can ask for copies of Search warrants, documents here, can he do that there.

Dana:

I think they have received info but it's been leaked, I don't know if they can ask for it.

The justice system itself, I wanted to get him to make it clear about being a suspect for 2 years..it's a wacky kind of a system. Murder should never have a statute of limitations, but this whole thing about being a suspect and not a suspect and these hold days...it makes your head spin

I'm going to stay on top of the Holloway case as best as I can. The blogs are out there, BFN, Scared Monkeys, Yahoo groups high profile cases, there are all sorts of information out there ....

Caller

I'd like to comment about another site. I think they should go to Scrux.com b/c it is the one site that has both sides of the case. Many ppl support Joran and a lot support the family. Their only bias is the truth.

Dana:

I would characterize them all to be that way, as far as the other people..I've heard from them on e-mail and I'm not going to bash them.

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CSI

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:10 pm

Dana;

After 2 years, that doesn't mean somebody is off the hook, they need direct evidence to bring them in again after two years.

Heres's a question, about the media in Aruba, in particular Julia Renfro. Is it fair for other media people to speak about her, as far as her investigative reporting and any biases that go either way and the professionalism thereof. Could you comment on her, we hear she's writing a book, are there other cases of media in Aruba that just should be brought forward as far as bad reporting goes

JossY

I can't comment on a colleague, but I'll say she's been proven wrong many times I dont know why she's writing a book for what purpose or objective with that. The best thing she can do is reporting the facts, and stop being against the family like she is now.

Sounds like Jossy is jealous of Julia. Hang in there Julia, you have a lot of supporters.

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Siddalee

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:17 pm

CSI wrote:

Jossy's news source is SM, so what can he say? I don't think, tho, that Julia would say anything against Jossy in public - she is a professional. [edited for ommission]

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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:24 pm

CSI wrote:

Hahaha, Jossy has been proven wrong many many many many times. And he still does not get it. He cannot comment about a colleague but can say that she is not always right. And advice her to report facts like he does, but cannot comment on a colleague. Sounds like Hypocrisy to me.

Ah, and I forgot to mention that tonight sounded more loony than ever, He has a lot of facts wrong, starting from the political situation to the polices salaries to Joran's comments during interrogations to the house search to the fact that no normal car can ride on the sand road that is behind the California light house, to the fact that if you go into the ocean at that part, you either have to be a good swimmer to surive those waves and be very stupid to know that everything you put out there in the ocean comes right back to the fact that if you go to in the ocean or just walk on the beach after that, you will be messing up a car completely and difficult to clean afterwards and not leaving a single amount of sand etc. etc. etc.

He is desperate... not only that his political party are being proven wrong on many lies he published but also that his lies are also getting known in the States.

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JesseLee

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:30 pm

Jossy just can't help himself -- he just has to keep libeling and slandering the van der Sloots! He said Lorenzo is Joran's half brother. Jossy must really want a lawsuit! Jossy, I keep telling ya -- you're toast! Go Joe!

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SavannahStar

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:08 pm

Re: Dana Pretzer June 18 Jossy Interview TRANSCRIPT

Heli wrote:

Dana

From e-mail here ..the basis of the question is "why as far as I know no charges been brought against casinos that allow Joran to drink and gamble. Can any charges be brought against Joran for allowing him to participate, why has he not been held accountable for those illegal activities. How big of a problem is that in Aruba?

JossY

It hasn't but it should be, because he will have a 17 year old boy going to the casino, gambling away night after night, at least over the weekends for sure. Sometimes accompannied by his father who teaches criminal law at the university and is a replacemnt Judge. The law says a minor can't gamble under age and his father was there with him. Nobody has even given them a reprimand or a fine which they deserve.

OMG...such HATRED for those people!

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Siddalee

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:31 pm

Re: Dana Pretzer June 18 Jossy Interview TRANSCRIPT

SavannahStar wrote:

Heli wrote:

OMG...such HATRED for those people!

I love your style! You say it with such conviction.

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medleyrelay

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:39 pm

Yes Mr Pretzle talks about hate sites - and he has on the haters!!

This was unusually disturbing tonite -- more lies like MF above said and he only hit on 1/2 of the lies -- very very disturbing!

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SavannahStar

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:19 am

Re: Dana Pretzer June 18 Jossy Interview TRANSCRIPT

Siddalee wrote:

SavannahStar wrote:

Heli wrote:

OMG...such HATRED for those people!

I love your style! You say it with such conviction.

TY, Siddalee!

You know, as full as that interview was with complete and utter b.s., for some reason that small portion of the transcript just leaped out at me. It made me furious....and at the same time, incredibly sad.

It's the mentality of "out to get the VDS's"...at any cost, for anything they can. Make them PAY! Make their lives miserable! Can't get them for murder, so by God, at least get them for something.

That just made me sick to my stomach.

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CancunMole

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:26 am

Heli wrote:

Have long wondered how many others, and who they might be, may live in secluded, possibly private sections of the Island with limited or no public access.

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sandraK

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:11 am

Siddalee wrote:

CSI wrote:

Jossy's news source is SM, so what can he say? I don't think, tho, that Julia would say anything against Jossy in public - she is a professional. [edited for ommission]

Can I say IT for her ?!

Jossy is a Self serving Yellow Journalist ,My parrot will not even poop on his PAPER!

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medleyrelay

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:28 am

WEll someone from Scared Monkeys just said I should eat a bug!!

They found me disgusting -- I think that is a compliment!

I would think there would be a lot of papertrained dogs in Aruba that would never even want to poop on the Diario!!

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sandraK

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:39 am

medleyrelay wrote:

WELL
I Love MEL

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Glenda

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:15 pm

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We very well know they took her to the apartment, they didn't go to the lighthouse, the Kalpoes are involved in the sense they know what happened to Natalee.

If they didn't go to the lighthouse, how did "Carlos the Colombian frozen condom keeper" see Joran carry her out to sea? and how did Joran's belt get there? How did Dave see the Police put her in the trunk while at the lighthouse if they didn't go to the lighthouse, and it was infact Artwood that decided she was in a crabtrap that hasn't even been stolen yet. Shocked

btw... LORENZO is not related to Joran in any way. Julia asked the ALE and the vdSloots. The answer is NO, Paulus is not the father of Lorenzo.

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medleyrelay

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:40 pm

Quote:

btw... LORENZO is not related to Joran in any way. Julia asked the ALE and the vdSloots. The answer is NO, Paulus is not the father of Lorenzo

No wonder to hear that lie one more time out of Jossy would be distrubing!!!

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