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Greta March 10 2006
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: Greta March 10 Transcript
Apologies for the delay. I was being entertained by a travelling troubadour singing "Tequilaaaaaaa" and making me the most amazing Margarita's. I got somewhat distracted, forgive me Wink
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Greta:
What's happened in Court
Julia:
Earlier this week, the Judge decided that Joran will not be released from suspicion. The lawyer for Joran went before the Superior Court of the Netherlands Antilles. He was asking for release from suspicion
Greta:
If that had happened, would that have meant that 3 months down the road, if the Prosecutor thought he was responsible, could she charge anyway
Julia:
Her thought would not be enough, she would have to have proof, some kind of evidence
Greta:
What does it mean, any difference to Joran? It doesn't put any restrictions on him, doesn't tie her hands or aid the prosecution?
Julia:
Doesn't make a difference at all. FOr his own purposes he asked for release to get on with his life
Greta:
Can he appeal it?
Julia;
Of course
Greta:
Are there any searches planned?
Julia:
Very shortly, TES had made an offer to help out, but as it turns out the aruban authorities have made a partnership with an american group and a dutch group to come with dogs and some kind of penetrating system to go into the sand
Greta:
Last night we were told that whitten (sic) Industries had offered some sophisticated equipment. Do you know if that was made and denied.
Julia
I do not believe TES will be participating, it's a different group entirely that will come with dogs and equipment to search the sand dunes.
Greta:
ANy idea what the equipment is?
Julia;
SOme kind of penetrating into the sand and water type of equipment. I don't have specifics on it. ALE aren't interested in sharing the info on what they're looking for or what they're using the reason being they want an end result that isn't hampered by the media
Greta:
Gloria, what's your thought on this search in aruba
Gloria;
I'm glad they're continung, I think her parents have a right to know what happened to her, perhaps she's under the sand, I'm glad they haven't abandoned the search.
Greta:
The idea that Joran's lawyer went to court, seems more ceremonial, it doesn't have much legal impact
Jim:
I thought it would bar the prosecution, but seems that's not the case, I wouldn't want a Judge sticking their nose in to say he's legally innocent. In america there's no statute of limitations but In HOlland it's only 2 years.
Greta:
Bernie if he had been declared not a suspect, he might of been able to get some money damages
Bernie:
I agree that it's more pomp and circumstance than anything,,it doesn't matter he'll always carry that badge of distinction on that island..they'll see him and say he's the last one seen with Natalee Holloway
Greta:
At least if a Judge says you're not a suspect he can say he was cleared by the COurt DO we have any Court procedure like this in America?
Bernie:
My guys are found not guilty and they don't get their lives back ....
Jim:
In California, an exonorated man can go to Court and get a factual finding of innocence.
Ted;
Im agreeing with the prosecutor. 3 invidivulas have been focused on, one or all of those 3 know what happened to Natalee, this was just another move to clear his name
Greta:
A good prosecutor and detective know they have to keep their eyes and minds open
Ted;
We know so much and so little about what these guys have done, Joran gave a very eloquent interview ...
Gloria:
If he's made a lot of inconsistent statements, he will be in very deep trouble if they find the body of Natalee Holloway
Ted;
You and I are clearly on the same side Gloria
Greta;
Gloria is here in New York for a new book signing
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Heartland March 11 2006
Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: HEARTLAND Mar 11 Transcript
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
John:
Jocelyn what happened to you on spring break?
Jocelyne;
I was on spring break with my school group in the Dominican republic...I asked a guy to hold my purse for me, he led me away from the lobby to a disco, to the bar, he took me to a storage place and raped me
Right after it happened I found my girlfriend and reported it to my professor. He went with me and my friend to talk with the hotel employees, there wasn't anything they could do..Next morning we called US embassy to help me through the legal process. I saw a doctor and confirmed everything and I filed a police report
John:
Beth you're travelling with your Save Yourself campaign, what are you telling these young kids?
Beth:
I'm trying to convey that I want them to take charge, initiate their own safety plan, travel safely internationally, be informed and prepared and it can be done
John:
What do you think about Jocelyne's story?
Beth:
I know the frustration that she has experienced, we've met before about a month ago I was just so honoured to meet her and absolutely my heart goes out to her I know as a parent its so difficult to navigate through the system
John:
When you go out of the country you just don't know.
We do know that when spring break comes all the rules are suspended, we know there will be lot of kids doing crazy things, what can they do to protect themselves?
Beth:
There are many things to protect yourself, your common sense, you may think you are invincible but the buddy system is important, sounds so simple but ppl don't use that, always watch your drinks, don't let anybody get you a drink, may be you've met somebody during your vacation and you want to trust them but it's best to stay with your group ....
John:
You don't want to do anything that you can carry on your back for the rest of your life, like get an std, DWI or kidnapping
Let's listen to a little bit of this unbelievable interview with Joran van der "Slot" (Plays clip from Greta interview with Joran)
Beth, what amazes me is a lot of people listened to that interview and now they say he didn't do it , it must have really made you furious...But now he's saying he'd talk to you anytime
Beth:
John absolutely, the family would love to speak with him but before we do that and travel to Holland and have an interview,...Joran needs to take a polygraph, we don't need another string of lies, we need to get to the truth and the way to do that is to hook him up to the polygraph
John:
Is there a way you can go out there, hey kid take the polygraph, have you communicated that to his family
Beth:
Oh John we begged the island of aruba early on for that, it's been well knowt that we would communicate with Joran if he would take a polygarph, then we'd be getting to the bottom of it and not have to deal with his litany of lies.
Jocelyn:
...when you leave the US you're not protected by US law and you're just not going to be treated fairly out there by anyone else.
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The Big Story March 12 2006
RatPatrol: I see this was titled Page 2. If there was a Page 1 I must not have saved it. Sorry 'bout that, Chief!
Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject: The Big Story March 12 Transcript Page 2
Megan Kendall on The Big Story
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Megan:
You have a timeshare at the Marriott, you had an experience where you were accosted. You were out in the morning looking for shells?
Tracy Allen;
Yes, I walked towards the fisherman's hut, I was walking on the beach, there was a car running, there's a picnic structire there on the beach... the car was running with lights on, some of the fishermen drove on the beach to load their boats. As I passed the picnic structure there was a man, it was little odd to me. The next structure is wind surfing shop, I walked there ..as I walked past the windsurf shop, the gentlemen had pulled his car around and walked to the beach and was preventing me from going to the hotel.
Megan:
Okay, and what happened after that? This guy had on only a shirt and nothing else, correct?
Tracy;
Yes, a shirt, that's it. He said I'm not going to hurt you, that alarmed me. Then he started to try to back me towards his car and tried to grab my arm couple of times. The firshermen were in my sightline, I didn't know if they could see me though
Megan:
What time of day would that have been?
Tracy
6:45 a.m. He was blocking my way when I tried to pass, the fisherman were there, this gentleman, I decided there would have to be a physical struggle if he continued to try to back me towards his car....I'd back up towards the water so the fishermen could see me
Megan:
Did you report this incident to the police?
Tracy;
I did report right away, I was with him about 4 minutes trying to diffuse the situation, he got agitated, threatened me and went to his car...I went to my hotel. The police came out that day, I gave my statement, they said it's the wrong detective....
The police have not contacted me and I got information from the Holloway family that this man has been spotted....they turned over his license to police, nobody has contacted me.
Megan:
Not the FBI not ALE have done anything about it correct?
Tracy;
I'm hoping someone catches this man, he's dangerous...
Megan:
David Koch is joining on the telephone from Aruba . The big news this week is Joran's interview..have you seen it
David
I've seen that interview and also others that he gave on other tv stations. First of all I was surpised he did that, but it's his judgment call. Although somethings we are not in agreemnet with b/c they simply are not true
Megan:
The biggest discrepancy, was what happened after Joran and Natalee were left at the beach, but the boys split stories when it comes to how Joran got off that beach. He said he called Deepak who then sent Satish. Your clients deny it, why should anybody believe your clients?
David:
You should ask the Q in another way. why would anybody have to belive Joran...Deepak and Satish after they were arrested, they told the same story while it took Joran several stories to admit he stayed behind with Natalee
Megan:
Jamie Skeeters, an investigator has Deepak Kalpoe on tape saying Natalee was a slut, she had sex with all three of those boys, the authenticity of that tape has been questioned. Skeeters says he stands behind it
David;
We have forensic lab reports indicating in the States as well as HOlland that the tape has been manipulated,...just for him saying he stands behind the tape, is not realistic.
Megan:
Dompig has lent some credence to Skeeter's story, Dompig has said the tape is in pristine condition.
David;
Those parts that he refers to, it's been proven beyond any doubt that its' doctored.
MEgan
How can you doctor him saying she's a slut?
David
I'm more referring to the sex, it's not that all the tape is doctored, but just some crucial parts, especially the part where he supposedly says they all had sex with Natalee.
Megan
You admit he called her a slut?
David:
The way she dressed was not appropriate is what he was suggesting...
Megan:
(panelist Joanna Spilbor and Lise Weill )
Joanna Spilbor:
When he says part of the tape has been doctored...I guess that's good lawyering on his part I guess, but not very honest.
Megan:
The part that doesn't get him in trouble legally is ok, but the part where he says they all had sex with her they claim is doctored....
That admission is significant...that evidence of him being willing to make those comments, tell those lies that are so callous.
Megan:
It may be that the police will take a harder look at the Kalpoes...meantime Joran is facing a civil suit in New YOrk...you think it doesn't have any merits.
Spilbor:
It has no legs. Zero...there's no jurisdiction, no subject matter jurisdiction either...nothing this should fall flat.
Procedurally it will fall flat, should it fall flat? NOW WAY...are there merits....ABSOLUTELY
You may or may not believe Joran, but it's a civil suit. All the jury needs is a preponderence of the evidence...
Megan:
On the merits, this claim is not wrongful death it's for sexual assault, the investigators got an admission from Joran that she was fading in and out of consciousness and that he had sex with her...let's assume Beth Twitty can get evidence to prove that
Spilbor
A jury would buy that, then she could get a judgment, it was very smart not to claim wrongful death.
He seems like likeable kid but I dont believe him.
Spilbor:
He lied about the sex, 17 year olds just don't care about condoms
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Greta March 13 2006
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: Greta March 13 Transcript
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Greta:
Joran recently told us his version of what happened, they were interrogated last summer..tonight you'll hear Deepak's first story. FNC obtained his first statement from June 9, it's a translation of what Joran told police, according to police.
At the end of the statement, Deepak stood by the statement but wouldn't sign without his attorney having read it.
Deepak:
Even though I'm aware of that, I'm prepared to make a statement
My statement will be no different than what I made then, I forgot details ...
I was approached by Steve, he told me he saw us when we dropped the girl, his tel number is XXXXX
On may (inaudible) I received a call I was working, we closed at 22:00 I presumed that Joran called me around 21:50 Joran asked me if I was working the following day. I said next afternoon. He asked me if I wanted to go to C&C, he had met some girls...I had agreed to pick him up later. 23:00 is when I got home I vacuumed the carpet in the car...the man to whom my mother is married was at work. I asked Satish if he wanted to come along, when I was done vacuuming I took a shower...
Joran lives in his own apt. he wasn't ready when we got there so we went inside to his apartment, he was finishing something for school.....
I parked my car in the back of C&C, we got out and walked to C&C, it was then abou 12:30 we went straight to the bar, Joran bought 3 yards with whiskey and coke...we went to the stage, looking on...we stood chatting amongst the 3 of us..Joran was called by a girl by movement of her hand, by the way she was dancing she was pretty drunk...Joran didn't want to go over...she walked over to Joran....I could see it was a pretty girl, they were talking about dancing, I couldn't hear what Joran said, I looked around and I didn't see Joran nor Satish anymore. A friend came to me, ALi I don't know his last name...we talked for about 5 minutes.
Satish and Joran were nowhere to be found..I looked for them but coudn't find them...I went to the restroom and after I left the restroom I looked around, went by the bar and walked outside. When I went outside I heard the announcement it was last opportunity to buy alcohol. I went to sit in my car to wait for them, I had no more phone credits to call them, I had the car door open, Satish arrived, he sat down next to me, then the back door opened, Joran got in the back seat on the right side, the girl got in the left side. I was surprised the girl came with them, she sat behind me. I greeted her, she greeted me and told me her name. It was not the fisrt time I had girls on vacation in my car and dropping them off.
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Greta:
Janine Piero, Jim Hammer, Bernie Grimm, Ted Williams
Janine, we have a whole collection of interrogations, taking a look at it what do you think
J:
The truth is, it happens in all cases, if they talk enough...sooner or later they trip up and what you've got here Deepak is talking about Steve, corroborating his lie, it just gets deeper and deeper into the lie . He talked about when he vacuumed the car, that was very curious, the need to get in there about vacuuming the car. It's all these little pieces you take together, that weave a web of lies that become so obvious.
Ted;
If you tell a lie long enough you get convinced it's the truth
Greta:
They all said the Holiday Inn was a lie...
Ted;
This vacuuming of the automibile at 11:00, I wonder if he vacuumed before or afer Natalee was in the car...did the authorities when he gave this statement, did they go talk to anybody about this vacuuming?
Janine;
He vacuumed the car before they went out, before she got in it, it sets up the excuse of why he vacuumed it
G;
I've seen that car, you could eat off that car, Deepak does love that car, it's very well kept, very shiny, maybe he does clean it all the time.
Bernie:
There's small aspects of a case that make juriese say "this makes sense to me"...my first car I spent more time in the back than the front, but we won't go there ....
J;
Was Joran driving?
Bernie:
Up until now we've been walled off in this investigation ,we haven't known much, but this show has gotten them...he doesn't sign it or get videotaped, for a suspect or a witness you'd want that.
Greta:
So much of this story has been driven by anonymous sources, that's horrible, at least now, these documents came to us in Dutch, we had them translated.
Jim:
Early on they get most of their story straight, but with any lie, they get things wrong, the big discrepancy was that Natalee was not drunk...here Deepak makes it repeatedly clear that she's very drunk, that's a very black and white difference.
Greta:
Part of the transcriptcontinues on, this will be a teaser for tomorrow night...she was after all drunker than before, she talked too much, too loud, I couldn't understand too much...
It goes on and on
Jim:
They're doing shots at the bar, it casts a doubt in my mind about what Joran said.
Greta:
The rest of the statement will give a better idea of what everybody said.
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Bill OReilly March 13 2006
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject:
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BOR:
Joe Tacopina, he's got a really tough job representing Joran van der Sloot in a civil lawsuit filed against him in the USA.
The family of Natalee has filed a civil lawsuit against Joran van der Sloot and his father, right here in NY, the suit refers to him as predator, who maliciously and wilfully ... prevented her from returning to her parents....with us now is Joe Tacopina.
First of all, I don't even know why they hired you, why bother, they're Dutch citizens, somebody sues me over there, there's no way I answer that or go over there
Joe:
That would be a great legal tactic if Joran was guilty of something, he's 18... he's hired me, in part b/c of some misstatements and lies he told from the get go which he's said he regrets, he did nothing to harm this girl...the allegations are completely fictitious
BOR:
We don't know what happened, you weren't there and I wasn't there. You're his attorney so you have to say that, btw are they paying you?
JT:
Of course, they're paying me
BOR
THe family is paying you?
JT:
The family and supporters of the family have made contributions, yes
BOR:
If I'm sued in Amsterdam, I don't answer that, if you think you're going to turn the american people's perception of them in this country, it's not going to happen. Americans think he's guilty of killing her.
JT:
Based on what? There's not a shred of evidence.
BOR:
Based on three men were seen leaving with her and she never came back ..
JT:
3 countries have investigated this case, F-16 Fighter jets have done high tech searches of the island, not one stitch of evidence has been found.
BOR:
They left together, they were on a beach together..
JT;
That's not enough, if you listen to your partner here at Fox, Greta, in 3 hours she asked him every Question imaginable and he acquitted himself very well..Greta who knows more than anyone out there about this case...came out after that interview and said she was inclined to believe him
BOR
I didn't hear her say that
Can you produce him so I can interview him
JT:
He's an 18 year old boy,...
BOR
Yeah, an 18 year old boy who's had a lot of time to make the story up
SHe left with 3 guys, she was buzzed, they took her someplace, I don't believe his story for a minute...I go with the odds, I don't say I could convict him..but the odds are these 3 did something to prvent the girl from ever coming back
JT:
That's making a statement on no evidence, no facts, if he left her on the beach, why is it so implausible that something else happened to her? The woman was on fox last night, talking about a predator who accosted her on that same beach a few days before Natalee disappeared.
BOR:
Well who took her, Godzilla? I just think it's a strange situation, I do want to talk with him , will you produce him?
JT:'
When he's vindicated and the lawsuit is dealt with, you can have him.
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Greta March 14 2006
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:39 pm Post subject: Greta March 14 Transcript
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Greta:
June 9, Deepak Kalpoe in custody interrogation (continued)
We want to tell you police say Deepak stood by the statement, but would not sign it.
I looked in front of me asked in Papiamento to Joran what are we going to do, he said drive around. I backed up left the parking and drove by C&C twice. I had the radio on pretty loud, we had to raise our voices to talk. Few times we drove by, I had only spoken to my brother, for the third time I saw a police van on the corner, I wasn't wearing my seatbelt..so I made a left in the direction of...I turned left and was crawling, the girl put her head out the window and shouted. I looked I saw a group of ppl standing boys and girls, more than 10 ppl, one of the boys walked toward us, he said, what are you doing there, are you crazy, get out of the car, she didn't want to....I thought it was better that she went with her friends, after all the friends didn't want her to come with us.
The ppl would think she went with us against her will, she was drunker than before, she talked too much, pretty loud, I couldn't understand what she talked about..if her friends thought she should go..she should, she refused...she said drop her off later..I turnd the radio down a bit, I drove on. I turned into the first street after...it leads to Main Street, I turned the volume up. I turned right, turned left towards main road, atthe main road I turned right towards Royal Plaza. I was planning to drop her off where her friends were earlier, they weren't there anymore it was about 1:20..I asked what are we going to do, she said she wanted to see sharks at the lighthouse...I drove at 70 to 80 kph towards the lighthouse, I know that becuase I usually look at the speedometer.. I looked at the rear view mirror and saw Joran was french kissing with the girl...the times I looked they were french kissing, they were also talking but I didn't know what they were saying, I thought it was Joran's g/f..I drove on tar road only, I'm careful with my car...it was the first time I drove to the lighthouse with this car, I drove past the restaurant, past the lighthouse, I drove slower, just before I passed the restaurant, I said in English this is the ligtthouse, Joran and the girl were still french kissing, he had his hand under her dress, it wasn't unusual, I saw that often when I had couples in the back seat of my car..I looked in front of me I gave Satish the look like what am I supposed to do now...Satish gave me that look like...drive on.
Our panel has literally dissected this statement and we'll get their take on it after the break.
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Greta:
Deepak made a statement June 9, was any of it true.
Jim Hammer, Jeff Brown, Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams
Bernie, this statement is the first he gave in custody. What can you glean from it
Bernie;
There is some overlap with Joran...he said she's actually a little bit drunker than Joran said. Has them in the back of the car, he has him groping the girl as they go towards the lighthouse, that's when the story violently diverges
Greta:
Up until the point she's left on the beach, does it make any difference if their stories are different?
Ted:
It does matter, in this kind of investigation you look for inconsitency, you've got more consistency in this stage because the question is did they get their heads together and how much of it is a lie
Greta:
They're in custody, so they can't cook up a story, it starts to diverge on June 13 or 14, suddenly Deepak says they dropped Joran off and went home...but Joran says he got a ride home with Satish
Ted;
There is some consistency, not everything has to be a lie, what probably is untruthful is the part where Natalee goes missing
Greta:
Jeff, I suppose that you'd expect some differences, what do you do with this
Jeff:
It's useless, they've given so many inconsistent statements, they're damaged statements, you'd never know what the truth is, you'll never be able to know what's true or false. These are so different one from the next, it will be completely impossible to know what the truth really is.
Greta;
You can't just give up, over the course of the summer you get the big divide about how Joran got home....it's not an insignificant matter that you ignore.
Jeff:
You can't use it either, if you wanted to use these witnesses as a prosecutor...you say trust this story and not this story? I couldn't stand in front of the Jury and say belive A but not B..you are going to hve to prove this case with other evidence, not any of these statements.
Greta:
When you get the person in court he's damaged goods, if you get info and physically corroborate it, possibly find a body then I suppose the statements becomes less important
Jeff:
YOu don't have anything
Jim:
What I'd do is not wrap anything around those statements unless there was corroboration..I believe 100% she's dead, if her body is found who knows what clues would be with it. I"ll tell you as a prosecutor if you sit with victims you feel the last hours and minutes of Natalee, we have no idea what happened...
Greta:
No secret that tomorrow a new search starts, the groups arrived this afternoon, an american company doing an in depth search of the dunes.
Bernie:
I'm with Jim I believe that the forces of human nature have taken over, ... at this point it's sand, they've had F16's, cadaver dogs, they would have found her if she was there.
Greta:
Yeah but ground penetrating radar is what they're going to use...
Bernie:
I agree, if I'm natalee's mom I keep on digging
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Rita Cosby March 15 2006
Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:
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We've obtained exclusive access to the search for Natalee. Why they haven't searched there before and why they're searching now.
We've learned that a new search is under way in Aruba. Just today a team headed into Aruba, Fred Golba Child Watch Canines...why were you searching in caves today ..?
Fred:
These caves are out in the Baby Beach area on the other side of San Nicholas, I checked in with ALE and they've defined areas to search What we did is go out there, it looks like a desert field on the top with cactus and some grass, which is very easily accessed from the main road. You could ride a regular vehicle to that spot, there are air shafts that go down into old gold mines.... 100 feet deep...you can't see bottom...I took your producer with me and we did a repel down in to the cave, we walked around down there below those air shafts to see if anybody discarded the person we're looking for
Rita:
Did you find anything of interest? Was ALE with you?
Fred:
They know I knew the area so they weren't with us. When they have an area I'm not familiar with they escort me otherwise they don't, such as the Indian burial gorunds in December, which isn't far from Deepak and Satish' house, there was a real big well that was out there, we weren't able to search in any way shape or form, the wells were not accessible with the dogs. Today we went with the infrared cameras, and we put it down the well and came up negative..we ruled out the indian burial ground and the air shafts in the cave by Baby beach, which is almost across the street from the prison.
Rita:
Why do you think you would have success, other ppl combed that area and found nothing?
Fred:
What's different is we went out there and searched these areas in a grid elimination process, just picking an area that looked good and accessible, we aerated a large area, it's very hard to aerate but it's a very good technique. IF you're in the right area, you're going to find the person
Rita:
How long will this take?
Fred:
I don't know, on the opposite of the dunes we did that last time in August, we're going to do this side now...we have ground penetrating radar, which is part of CHild Watch, we're going to do ....metal detectors because we know she had jewellry on...if she's out there we'll find her.
Rita:
How and why did they decide to hire their own team, how did they get involved Steve Cohen, we had Tim Miler volunteer but they were all turned down by Dompig, why this team?
Steve;
It's a process that goes back to the Netherlands Forensic Institute...DOmpig has been back there twice now...they determined what techniqyes they should use, DOmpig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust, he's not the only one who will search. DOMpig is coming back with a meticulous grid plan and we're hopeful but we're not going to get our hopes up of find remnants of DNA evidence or otherwise....
Rita:
We were hearing about this person knowing Joran coming forward with a tip. How credible are these tips, why wait so long to search?
Steve:
We thought we might be able to get in at the end of Feburay, they wanted to plot it out and wait for ......, at the same time,they had to look at different statements from witnesses, it took many months...they were still talking to people, we were able to get a fix of this dune area, they were looking in caves too this morning....
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Steve, thank you.
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Greta:
Remainder of Deepak's Declaration given June 9
I saw there were 2 cars at the lighthouse, a green coloured jeep, Suzuki vitara and a white four door car, I drove slowly. Once I passed the hills, I sped up ....in the section where there is no ligths Joran said she fell asleep, she was really sleeping, I asked in Dutch, how is this possible, I told him to wake her up.. I was very tired, I asked where she was staying, after a few minutes he told me at the Holiday Inn. To make sure, I repeated HI...Joran said yes. Satish asked Hi...I picked up speed to 90 kph, the exhaust pipe makes lot of noise, I had a headache, the faster I drive the more noise it makes...at the Holiday Inn I stopped under the roof most easterly at the Holiday Inn...
The roof is supported by coloums..she was sleeping and Joran woke her up..she got out, I didn't see that I heard something fall, I heard Joran say..in Papiamento...She fell..I saw the girl on the ground, Joran helped, her, the girl pushed Joran against my car, she said something to Joran,...the radio was softer, volume at 9 or so..Joran looked suprrised, she walked away, she walked towards the lobby, I didn't see her enter, she leaned against the pillar. Joran was back in the car. In the lobby a man was walking towards the girl, he had a radio, he held it close to his mouth, it was a dark skinned man, black t-shit and black pants
I pulled out slowly, there was contact between the black man and the girl, he didn't touch the girl, he was standing close to her..I drove off. She was pretty drunk when I dropped her off....I took the shortest route to the main road, then went straight to Joran's hosue and dropped him off. It took about 15 minutes...it was about 02:25 and after dropping him off I went straight home, I guess it was about 2:40 Satish went straightt to bed, I turned on the tv in the living room and turned on the pc in my room...I watched tv and then went on the pc..I made a phone call when I got home then after that I didn't talk to anyone until 14:00 the next day..I never had a g/f and never had one You asked if I did feel up the girl and I didn't do that and Satish didn't either.
On the way to the light house and back I didn't stop anywhere....
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Janine Piero, Jim Hammer Bernie Grimm Ted Williams
Janine, I'm sure that the prosecutor is not particulary happy we have all these statements, nonetheless we are doing with them what the police should be doing
Janine:
I'm not so sure that the prosecutor is unhappy, the truth is in LE we look at and analyzae all statements, it's the inconsistencies that bring us to the truth. We know that this kid was lying through is teeth, even within the confines of the statements, he says he has a headahce and he's tired yet he goes home turns on tv goes on the pc..what kid remembers what # volume he's got on the radio, how fast he's going. it's incredible that somebody that young remembers this stuff.
It starts to give us an idea of who and what we're dealing with.
Greta:
In the June 9 statement, he says that he and his brother drive Joran home, Joran tells us he was at the beach alone, called Deepak for a ride and Deepak dispatched Satish and Satish drove Joran home.
The lawyer for Satish said they didn't give Joran a ride at all. Bernie...Deepak has Natalee quite intoxicated ...
Bernie;
When you overlap the statements, there are some basic themes, she was drunk, smitten with Joran and then what Janine picked up on, what bothers me is Deepak doesn't have a dog in this fight, nobody accused him of anyything, but this guy has the poise the presence of mind,...he comes up with a lie about the HI , two columns, my radio was at 9, the girl fell...I notice a man with dark skin...these lies are completely over the top...this guy I've got a problem with him the question asked was did you sexually molest her...why would they ask that...
Janine:
Bernie, it gets even better, he starts by telling that he met a guy Steve who would corroborate the lies about the Holiday Inn.
Greta:
If you look at the initial description, why does Deepak need a lie, it was Joran's problem initially. Jim the fact that he says she was falling asleep, what do you read into that ...
Jim:
You put that together with the drunkeness, that's probably more the truth, she's on a trip with her friends and doing shots, I wonder if her being so drunk is to set up the two security guys being responsible for her disappearance.
This is one of the most despicable lie I've heard,...to set up those two security guards...this is really an evil lie he was so willing to tell
Greta:
We have so many statements, right now, who are you most suspicious of, all three..just one of them
Ted:
I am suspicious of all three, actually I am very angry. If anyof our viewers listening to what you read from this punk, let me just say this: somebody in america can help, Dr Phil sometime ago told us on this station that he had a tape that Deepak admitted to having sexual relations with Natalee...they say that those tapes are authentic, shame on Dr Phil for not gving up that tape to us or to the authorities...I hope that our authorities know that Dr Phil is obstructing justice, if he has a tape thats been authenticated he should be givin it up...
Greta:
With that I've got to call it quits.
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Greta March 16 2006
Greta March 16
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Greta:
The search intensifies, joining us is Julia Renfro. Where was the search today
Julia:
We have the group of individuals with several cadaver dogs and special equipment by the lighthouse, in the sand dunes
Greta:
Has that been searched before?
Julia:
It has been looked over by cadaver dogs before, but special equipment was not used
Greta:
WHy now, we heard about the lighthouse in early June, why now though?
Julia:
According to the Police Commissioner, he received a tip, I guess you could say recently that this was still a place of interest and together with an american team and soon a Dutch team they are going to do a grid elimination search of the entire area
Greta:
How recent did they get the tip?
Julia:
It came in January, and the police immediately responded with their own police force and found that the area was extremely large and that police themselves didn't have the equipment, they don't have dogs either
Greta:
Is there a reason why TES is not part of it
Julia
TES really was here early on and was unable to come up with anything and quickly decided to back the boycott and other negative things against Aruba so it doesn't seem fit for them to be part of the search, so we have a new american team and the Dutch will also be joining in
Greta:
Okay, thank you Julia. Will this be fruitful to bring new life to the case or would the money be better spent interrogating witnesses.
Greta:
Jim Hammer, Jeff Brown, Ted Williams, Bernie Grimm
Jim, this new search of the dunes, are you hopeful that this is something new or is it just another exercise in futility
Jim:
I would like to know what that tip was, if it was so powerful why they'd wait this long...this girl went missing in June, and now in the middle of March we're extensively searching the dunes where she last was. There's no excuse for that, what impact does that have on the forensics on her body ....
Greta:
When I was down there they spent a lot of money with these searches, the fighter jets etc. ...they were really just spinning their wheels though, it was ineffective, there has to have been a more effective way to do this
Bernie;
...to pick up on what Jim said, there should have been a more timely way to do this. It's all consistent with how Dompig has been responsive to tips and information in this case, paint dries on the capital quicker than this guy's responses. If he had a tip and it was a good one ...why all this delay?
Greta:
There seems to be a grudge match on, because Tim Miller can't come there because he supported the boycott.
Jeff:
It's ego, I don't know why they can't set that aside...I applaud them that they're not giving up, without a body, physical evidence, etc those lies don't mean anything...I can't believe why they've waited so long
Greta:
..If you're a fly on the wall Ted, what are you hearing in Dompig's office?
Ted;
I am upset about a boycott, even though I got a tip in December or January, the hell with anything, I'm not going to do the right and proper thing.. it's shocking that LE would have a tip in January and let ego get in the way and not let TES come in. You wait until March to get another group in..that's shocking, it's an embarassment to ARuba and a Chief who can't do a proper investigation.
Greta:
Jim, in KJ's office, you'r a fly on the wall, what's going on there?
Jim;
Oh my god. Listen, any prosecutor wants to solve this case, we have conflicting reports..JQK says she's trying to do the right thing, she's fighting internal politics I think...they have not given up or maybe KJ wants to do the right thing.
Greta:
I would like to hear from Karein Janssen or Gerold Dompig, they could tell us things that would answer many questions and help the Holloway family.
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The Lineup March 18 2006
The Lineup March 18
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Kimberley Guilfoyle:
There's a new search under way this weekend based on a tip they got months ago. There are also new reports that the proesdutor may wrap up the investigation on April 1. Joining us the editor of Aruba Today, Julia Renfro
When there's news in aruba, you're the one to go to Julia , What's going on with the new searches and where are they searching?
Julia:
They're searching the area by the lighthouse, always been an area of suspicionc, by the sanddunes. In late December/early January a tip was received that was pointing in this direction. We're not privy to the exact nature of the tip but the police themselves, approx 50 officers searched that area, but were not able to come up with any results so from there they asked an american group and dutch group to come in, they are currently searching with sophisticated info and equipment
Kim
Nothing has turned up so far I guess, are they doing a grid search to eliminate this area?
Julia:
Absolutely, there's approx 2 football fields of area they want to do a complete grid elimination search, it started as early as last tuesday..we understand that this week the american team will be joined by the Dutch team
Kim:
We're hearing they may shut the case down on April 1
Julia
The judge from Curacao has asked the prosecutor to come to a conclusion, will she prosecute them yes or no...there is a civil suit by the van der Sloots against the government and he cannot make a judgment until the prosecutor is clear on whether they will prosecute Joran.
Kim:
Joran and the Kalpoe brothers' stories differ greatly...Joran claims the bros dropped him off at the beach and Satish picked him up later.....
Joining us is the attorney for the Kalpoe bros, David Koch
A lot of ppl want to hear from you, when I heard the interview, I thought whoa Joran is pointing the finger at your clients and saying maybe take a closer look at these guys
David:
It seems to be back at square l, in the beginning it's what he said, one of his first interrogations, he said maybe these boys did something wrong..all of a sudden after so many stories he accepted that the Kalpoe brothers dropped him at the beach, now there's more insinuations from his direction
Kim
It's pretty touch to know who's telling the truth and who is lying.
David:
Look, the two brothers they told a story as indicated by Joran the first 2 or 3 days, independently of each other, they told police things the 3rd day which they maintain up until now. With Joran there's been 4 or 5 versions of that night
Kim:
Do they say they picked him up at the beach
David:
Totally not, never said that ,and it's not that they changed the story, they never said they picked him up in the first place.
Kim:
Joran is lying, that's their position then
David:
Joran is totally incorrect about that.
Kim:
Do they feel the need to come forward to defend themselves, Joran has come forward like some kind of boy scout..
David:
Ppl choose different strategies, we are not going to go to trial by media, we don't see the need for them to do such a thing
Kim
You've got your hands full I guess, Joran is saying they're the ones who tried to blame two innocent people....Best of luck representing your clients.
Kim:
JOining us Beth Twitty. Anytime we can have you on we love it.
Is this getting to be frustrating, Joran keeps running his mouth, the Kalpoe transcripts have been released, who's lying and who's telling the truth
Beth:
Kim when we come back to the beginning, it's not new information ..they were in no way denying they committed this crime, they were implicating each other, It's been going on and escalating since September 1, when they went before the Judge...they were implicating each other,
Kim:'
WHy all the lies, if they can tell one simple story, the truth, then we'd think they've got nothing to hide,..they can't even get it straight if whether they went back to pick up Joran...if that doesn't raise all kinds of red flags to those ppl who say they think they're innocent.
Beth:
They cannot come up with anything...that's the bottom line, there are witensses that have nailed all three suspects in that area at the critical time
Kim:
They're still looking for Natalee, now at the lighthouse and the sanddunes, did they drop the ball and wait too long
Beth:
I dont' know, it's happening this weekend, I hope the thing is done professionally and will be bringing us some closure...they're not denying this crime was committed, we just want her returned to the US
Kim:
Nothing all of us would want more than that, our thoughts and prayers are with you as always. I think they may need a new Chief of Police in Aruba...
Reminder of 250,000 reward for the
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I'm joined by our legal expert panel, Jane Wientraub, Geoffrey Fieger, Pat Brosnan
Pat, it's frustrating that this investigation lingered on , they have a tip in December/January, so why are they only doing these searches now?
Pat;
It's incomprehensible, makes no sense, it was a difficult case to start with, no body , no forensics, no eye or ear witnesses...absent any of these 3 getting arrested, flipping or cutting a deal it's very difficult to solve
Kim:
We knew about this lighthouse info from the beginning, what's the reason they've waited so long?
Janey:
The reality is we could keep going over this ad infinitum, we know they are either incompetent or not capable of doing the investigation..you can't expect US and american justice in a foreign country...no matter how much they search, you know as a prosecutor, forensically..there isn't a body to find anymore.
Kim:
It's lost, they knew from the beginning about the ligthhouse though ...
Janey;
Without forensics or an admission, the inconsistencies don't amount to anyihng...it isn't evidence of murder.
Kim:
Geoff, we have inconsistent statements, is that going to matter at the end, if they're going to shut this case down on April 1?
Geoff:
Not unless they find a body or one of them confesse. They're obviously lying and involved, we dont know how involved or what extent they're lying, but without a body or confession, you're not going to have anybody convicted, you're not going to find a body, that island is small, it's not going to turn up now.
Kim:
well, Geoff I know you think I'm a menace to society, but I think you Geoff need to go on a time out.
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The Lineup March 19 2006
The Lineup March 19
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Kimberly Guilfoyle:
There are reports that prosecutors will end the investigation on April 3. Will Natalee's parents ever get answers. Joining me is Jossy Mansur. Many ppl are shocked and dismayed at the prospect that this investigation will be shut down by ALE on April 3.
Jossy:
I can tell you that the Judge handling the case of Paul van der Sloot, the case that he is suing for damages b/c he was incarcerated or interrogated unjustly, the Judge put a deadline on his Judgment on the 3rd of April he will give a ruling. In the meanmtime the prosecution has to give him every single documents so he can study it and make his decision. That means that the prosecution has a very limited time to present its case
Kim:
Basically the Judge is saying he wants to clear this case, ..he is being forced to put together a case by the 3rd of April
K:
Paul is upset because he might look bad and was brought in for questioning ... , a missing girl is perhaps dead, so his rights are going to outweigh hers, ok right I get it, great.
I understand you've been speaking to the Kalpoe brothers' mother about this case...
Jossy:
I spoke to her (Nadira Ramirez) on the phone, she was very upset about the lies that Joran is repeating in his interviews and also that his story seems to change with every interview..she is very upset
Kim:
Does she believe Joran is trying to blame her sons? Do you think she suspects that Joran is trying to blame her sons to avoid responsibility.
Josssy:
Yes, that he's trying to pass the buck on to Deepak, that's what she believes Joran is doing.
K;
Does she want her sons to speak out about this? You've seen these interiews, Joran has said that they are the ones who are lying, they are the ones who blamed the two innocent guys...
J:
He's putting the blame on Natalee too, he has absolutely no consideration for the girl that disappeared. what can you think of a guy like this
K;
Not much. Joining me is Joran's attorney, Joe Tacopina How do you like that interview Joe.
Joe:
Very credible from a guy who created the imaginary gardener story,that sent the police on a wild goose chase. maybe you forgot to mention that...the bias of Mr. Mansur is well known...Paul was part of the Aruban gov't legal team that had many of Mr. Mansur's family members kicked out of the country for illegal acts..so he has a bias against the van der Sloots. this guy is another guy who is latching on to fictitious stories, he's a spokeperson for Beth Twitty, I don't think the guy has much credibility
Kim:
Obviously Joran has done quite well talking and representing hismelf, getting his point of view across, now he's got you to represent him..personally I don't feel bad for him, looks like things are looking up for him ..Deepak's statements are that him and his brother didn't go back to pick him up...he's calling your client a liar, somebody is lying that's for sure...
Joe:
If you listen to Joran's story and this Mansur guy, he's another misstatement of the facts don't seem to be concrete, ppl just get on and say anything they want. Joran has not change dhis story over and over again. Since he made the two initial lies his statement hasn't changed..he said why he told the initial lies, he came forth about why he didn't want to say he left her on the beach. It's one lie he regrets and he explained that.
The second thing he said was that it wasn't Deepak, it was Satish who picked him up. The reason it was made up..it wasn't Joran's lie, Deepak wanted to protect his younger brother, it you think about that it's consistent with what they are saying now...they are trying to keep the younger brother out of the mix.
Kim
Maybe there's a reason why he's the sweet innocent one, the Kalpoes need to come on and talk about their side of this..they're not, they're being silent, one can speculate about that
WHy the lies, why the coverup, the Kalpoes say they didn't even come to pick him up, so why all the lies...like Steve Croes coming in to say he saw them drop off Natalee at the Holiday Inn
Joe:
I'm not going to speak for the Kalpoes, whatever their motives are, for Joran I will tell you this, he's 18 a few weeks ago he went on this network's air and explained it better than I ever could, it was more credible than what I could say.. what he did was he said he panicked, the first mistake he made was to have left her on the beach...back at the house when the Twittys and their friends came out of the van..they came aggressively at him, they made demands...he's 17 at the time and he panicked and said he dropped her off at the hotel He admitted that, that's the only lie he's told That is the only lie of significance he's told ....
Kim:
I want to remind everyone that thers'a $250,000 reward for any infomation leading to recovery of Natalee Holloway
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Joining Kimberley: Michael Baden, Lauren Lake, Mike Sheehan, Joe Lawless
Kimberley:
I think this case is all about the body, they are still trying to recover it, some ppl say too bad, too late, it's over, what do you think?
Baden:
If they find the body, that will establish that sometihng happened to Natalee. A lot of ppl are saying there's no evidence she's dead, the advice to the boys by the father is No body no crime. Finding her body will help establish a cause of death, whatever is found the DNA can immediately tell whether it's Natalee even at this late date...tell the cause of death, whether there are any drugs in the body, clothing may still be intact, so that a lot can still be determined if a body is found
Kim:
It's warm water, if it's in the water it's a big problem isn't it?
BadeN;
If she's in the water, the body won't be found.
Kim:
What if it's in one of those lobster traps?
Baden:
The skeletal remains will be intact, one could still determine who the person is, that will go a long way to re-invigorating the investigation. Even if the LE in Aruba says there's no evidence she's dead. ..they always try to say locals don't kill tourists.
Kim:
Mike Sheehan, this is outrageous they got a tip in December or January by the way this whole tip situation is totally outrageous, what's your take on what's going on there?
Sheehan:
About a month ago, this is outragoues, what are the cops doing down there...you have to assume the worse in this case, you have to make an assumption that she's dead.., you have to do these searches
Kim:
Joe lawsless, you have all these conflicting stories..how does that affect the case
Lawless:
it will have a significant effect if and when they find the body, once they have a cause of death, if there's any link to these young men, they will take the inconsistencies and weave them into a pattern of guilt ....I don't understand why they leave Joran run off at the mouth like he's been doing ....
Lake:
It's been too long, now you're going to the lighthouse, the lighthouse has been there for the whole 9 months, what is going on over there, this is the keystone cops over there. There won't be any charges, they don't have enough evidence, it doesn't matter that Joran is singing one song and the Kalpoes another, there just isn't any evidence.
Kim:
I hope they find her remains because I want to see justice in this case.
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