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Good Morning America February 22 2006
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: GMA February 22 Transcript
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Diane Sawyer and Chris .... ?? (sorry don't know him)
ABC has obtained video that appears to show Natalee with Joran. You'll also see his sit down tv interview with ABC. The video comes from surveillance so it's a little grainy.
THis tape is not a smoking gun, but it clears up part of the issue with regard to Joran targeting Natalee...our first chance to see Natalee on her last night in Aruba
Natalee and Joran, two lives intersecting on an island paradise..now never before seen exclusive images of N & J together at the Excelsior casino...A night that changed his life forever
Joran:
I decided to go to the casino to play free poker tournament...
(video of Joran entering Excelsior Casino ALONE)
Joran van der SLoot appears to be coming into the casino and this appears to be Natalee and her friends next to vdS as he plays cards.
Joran:
I sat down there and witihn 5 minutes there were girls from MB that came up to me and sat down next to me and wanted to play, they'd been drinking that day, they had drinks with them at that moment.
Aruban authorities have seen the tape and used it in their investigation. Beth has seen portions of the tape. Last night she said she saw it the first night she was in Aruba, but only saw a portion that appeared to show Joran entering the casino.
Joran told how he met Natalee, joined her friends at a night club and the time he spent with her after they left Carlos & Charlie's , as her friends begged her not to go.
It's been all over the place in how have you've done certain things, lied and told a lot of different stories. How would describe the way you've been portrayed in the media?
I've been portrayed unfairly, portrayed as a murderer and a rapist and everything that I'm not.
What other lies may he have told, is he now finally telling the truth?
You keep telling the story, why not tell the truth
Joran:
Because I was scared, I didn't want anyone to know I left her at the beach.
It's stunning to see them on the tape , I'm thinking of her mother watching this tape and her reaction
In the piece we say that Beth saw a portion of the surveillance, when we told her about the tape showing Natalee and Joran at the casino, her comment to us was she hoped her daughter was having a good time that night.
This tape is not a smoking gun
ANy time you can suss out a tale that's been told it's a good thing..Joran has made certain representations about how they met, there's suggestions that he targeted her, but this video seems to sustain Joran's claims that he's made all along. I also think that doing the interview, it's helpful to see someone telling their story, how they seem to react, tell their tale, what makes him comfortable and uncomfortable
The source of the tape is confidential, when we did the interview, we had to do the reporting, they presented us with proof of some of Joran's story.
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Greta February 22 2006
Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 7:31 pm Post subject: Greta Feb 22 Transcript
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Greta:
Chris Cuomo joins us now. What did Joran say happened on the night of May 30
Chris:
The story is fairly consistent to what he ended up telling authorities. The videotape says he met friends and Natalee at the casino. The night progressed to a night club where he met them later..he met Natalee there, hooked up with her and left with her. They ended up at the beach for a romantic rendez vous, it begins and ends there..he went home
How does he deliver the story, how does he answer the tough questions. that's why we wanted to interview him
Greta:
Was the plan when he left the casino, was the plan with Natalee?
Chris:
Joran says that he was not interested in Natalee at the casino, he was not pursuing her, not dialoguingwith her. He was interested in one of her friends. It was one of her friends who invited him to Carlos & Charlie's. That is why this video is instructive, it's not a smoking gun but it documents what he says is his story.
Greta:
Where does he hook up with Deepak and Satish
Chris:
He contacts a few friends, and gets the Kalpoes to drive him to the night club. They pick him up at his house
Greta:
How does he describe his friednship with Deepak and Satish
Chris:
He desribed them as friends, but now is different.
Once they got to C&C, there ensues a nightclub type scenario, he comes upon Natalee, is engaged by and with Ntalee, they do what young revellers do there, and they leave.
Greta:
Does he describe if she's drunk or not?
Chris;
There are numerous reports from the girls of what they were doing earlier that evening..there are questions about his role if any, there is the interest as a journalist in asking questions and seeing how he responds with being shaken by tough quetsions, .. I think that's the most interst story here, shows have reported but the quality of the narritive is impotant how he resapond I think you'll enjoy seein git.
Greta;
Was sahe intociated when tney left
CHris:
It's very relevant, to be fair he will play with the definition of intoxication. He doesn't believe she was beyond her own control.
Greta:
What was the plan when they left
Chris
The plan was to go to his home, that plan changed, they got close and realized his home situation was not advantageous, he says he asked to go to her hotel and eventually they ended up at the beach
Greta:
Was the plan to go talk, or ....
Chris:
Are you not planning to watch our show, is this why you're asking me all these questions now?
The origianl plan when they get to the beach is for romance he's fairly consistent that his plan when they left the night club is for romance
Greta:
Where's the last place he saw her
Chris:
He said at the beach
Greta:
Where does he say Deepak and Satish are when he last sees her
Chris:
He says he was picked up by one of the brothers, it was Satish who picks him up. The brothers deny that, so where the brothers were becomes arguable.
Greta:
What's his current relationshp with Deepak and Satish?
Chris
He's said it's changed
Greta:
When did he last see Natalee at the beach, what time was it?
Chris:
HE said he didn't have a watch on...lot of it is general Mr. van der SLoot offers a time line that is hard to corroborate, He places himself around 2 a.m. at the beach
Greta:
Text message to Deepak?
Chris:
He said he did that and the records seem to reflect that.
Greta:
What did you think of him?
CHris
I think it was a great move coming forward to do this. HE's young, he got caught up in media and this investigation which is beyond his understanding, this is heavy stuff. I think there are problems with the nature of his account. Details, lack of details, how things go together, the concerted actions with the brothers, why did they take the numerous chances to change their stories. It's interesting to obersve him answers. The job of being a journalist is getting tougher and tougher... analysis shows like yours are dominating but now he's willing to come forward.
Greta:
I wouldn't call my show an analysis show. Coming up Joran lashes out at the media.
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Greta:
Joran says he has been villified by the media. We are back with Chris Cuomo.
When he was first confronted in the early morning hours by Jug and Beth and police, he lied ..... did he tell you why he lied
CHris:
He says because he was scared. Scared becomes a variety of applications. Scared b/c he didn't want ppl to know he left her at the beach, scared because he was intimated by Natalee's family, scared because he'd snuck out of the house..
Greta:
Did he explain why he had the lie ready so quickly He was called out of a casino with little information
Chris:
He gives an explanation, but it's a great question. The timing is relevant, what do you do when you find out a girl is missing and you have information. What is the natural instinct, what does a good person do, what does he do. He does seem confident in those answers, there is a fair degree of contrition about his ultimate act of leaving Natalee on the beach
He feels the obvious about the toll it's taken on his parents. There's conflict in the family about what route to take now.
Greta:
What did he think about being served?
Chris
He didn't like it, it was unsettling, doesn't mean it wasn't righteous, I think one of the most interesting aspects about our program is that against the advice of his parents and his lawyer he responds one by one to the allegations of the lawsuit.
Chris:
I think when you are dealing with a controversy there are two sides, a good barometer is when the two sides don't like you afterwards. We work very hard to be fair, he understands there are tough questions, there are factual, ethical and practical questions that come up
Early on, he has very little attention to detail about Natalee, he din't know her that well. He makes a statement about her motivation about what she did afer they left each other. He didn't have time to develop much perspective on her
Being in the business of investigating, de-construting things, it's always about details...he made a couple of statements that took me off guard, he was coming at situations differently than I thought he would...how he feels about the media for instance. I don't think it's that unusual, if the media portrays someone as having done something they haven't done, they don't like the media.
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Greta:
Jim Hammer, Michael Cardozza, Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams
Michael how do you know he's telling the truth?
Cardozza;
A lot of ppl think that Joran is lying, the more he talks the more ppl are going to absolutely know he's lying. What does this kid keep talking for, he keeps giving more fodder to ppl. I don't know why he shows up
in New york to do this. Look where he's gotten himself, ppl are going to know he's not telling the truth. I'd love to cross - examine him...move from Story 1 to 2 to 3. Kid, which one is true, you're lying at some point, he's walking himself into a conviction.
Greta:
Inconsistent statements don't mean you did anything, ppl for whatever reason lie
Bernie;
It's not uncommon when you get grabbed by the police, you get startled, the spotlight is on me I'll say I had nothing to do with it.
Asuming he didn't do it, I'd ignore my parents and lawyers..I'm tired of all this...what I did was bad judgment, I left her on the beach..
Greta:
The other stories are what we assumed he said to the police ...this is what he's actually saying
Ted;
This is the good thing, for the first time we hear him, whatever the story is from his own mouth. The public has been interested not in getting second hand information, .. I think the public will be able to make that kind of decision
Greta:
Jim, when someone's on the witness stand the jury looks at them about whether they're lying or not
Jim:
The beauty of cross-examintaion, the prosecutor would have the 3 prior statements, the problem with the interview.... if he cares about the truth he'll go back and answer questions for the police.
Greta:
Well, yes but he was in their custody all summer long, interrogated many hours every day, so why would he want to go back now..
Jim:
We also know he refused to answer, he's wearing the scarlet letter around his neck...he should come on your show and others and answer all the hard questions.
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Greta:
ANy value to the videotape in the casino.
Bernie:
Yes and no, Joran probably may have been aware that there were security cameras.... What he said with PrimeTime is consistent, it confirms some things.
Greta:
To me it's fascinating to see them, makes the case more real
Bernie:
It doesn't win or lose the day for either side
Ted:
One thing I saw in the tape is that you see Natalee one side of the table drinking, could be a coke bottle... One of the main things about Joran talking it may help Beth get closer to this...what does he have to say
Ted:
At least they can hear him telling the truth or lying
Cardozza:
You're facing a murder charge here Joran, they could prosecute you, just be quiet, stay in school graduate from college and nobody will know who you are
He's got lawyers, somebody should advise this kid.
Greta:
I think one of the expectations from going to COurt is to clear himself, I think that the prosecution, the thinking on the island is the prosecution is going nowhere, nothing is going on
Cardozza:
What if he slips up and says something in these interviews...
Jim:
He talks about intoxication, if her friends say something different then
Greta:
They haven't, I asked them if they were drinking, they said no, I didn't think they were candid, they were protecting themselves....
Ted:
I watched your show last night with Bo Dietl and how he served Joran..I'm very concerned that under the scenario that BO describes..he himself could be facing criminal charges..According to Joran somebody tried to assist Joran and Bo and that person got into a phyical confrontation
Greta:
Whatever it was, it's caught on videotape anyway.
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Dan Abrams February 23 2006
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: ABRAMS REPORT Feb 23 Transcript
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ABRAMS REPORT February 23, 2006
Dan;
Susan Filan, Michelle Suskauer, CLint Van Zandt
(how he reacted when he heard Natalee was missing)
When he says stuff like that...let's even assume for a minute
he's totally innocent, he can't just throw out the notion that Oh well she maybe wanted to hook up with somebody else at the hotel or go swimming after he left her ...
Clint:
For crying out loud, It's so totally classic where he dehumanizes and devaluate the victim, he's had 9 months to come up with some kind of story ...pretty soon he's going to become a victim of Natalee...this is the best he can tell us? Preety soon he'll be saying she drug him to the beach, she beat him and he fought her off....
Michelle:
You said, let's presume him to be innocent, it would be nice to presume him innocent since everybody seems to have convicted him already
Dan:
We're not a Court of law, we can talk honestly unlike a courtroom where they stack it against the prosecution, because they can take away his freedom.
We can talk openly here on my show, I don't presume anybody to be innocent here...
On this program I will not and cannot presume ppl innocent, That would mean that the police have it wrong, in every case I analyze I'm going to presume the police got it right
Michelle:
Save it for another time, ...... As a defense lawyer, it's always an uphill battle, he really had nothing to lose by going on tv, everybody has demonized him anyway, in terms of PR he has nothing to lose, Changing his story 500 times, that's harmful yes...
Dan:
Well, I'm sorry but we don't do that on this program, we don't presume anybody innocent. On the other side of the coin, it's not really a horrible defense
Susan:
It's an awful defense..it's blatantly inconsistent ...he makes her out to be a party girl ...trying to hook up with somebody else, maybe he's like that, but she's not like that, her mother has told us so ...Joran says he didn't want his dad and g/f to know..he's a liar and a cheater, there's nothing redeeming in this story
Dan:
It was a dumb, insensitive thing to say. He's willing to admit he's a liar, but not a murderer or a rapist .... I'm serious. He would accept all the scorn for everything else but being a murderer.
Susan:
In one lie lies several lies, you really think he's telling us the truth?
Dan:
I don't know
Michelle:
You can't afford to believe him when he wants to get out of the murder ..
CLint:
WHy doesn't he do a Scott Perterson impersonation, grow his hair long, colour it and disappear for two years .... he insults the intelligence of everyone, here comes Lie 21, see if you buy this one.....
Michelle:
This is not an adult remember, he's a 17 year old kid, they have a tendency of going into self preservation mode, make up all kinds of things, he's 17 remember that..
Dan:
We had an exclusive interview with a chaperone, ...Here was the chaperone last night (plays Bob Plummer)
Dan
I accept this notion that everyone is blaming the chaperones, He said "we were just told the parents signed papers that we were there in case of emergencies,we were the contacts, we were making sure 17 years olds weren't going to bars.".. Fact is, there weren't enough chaperones..
Susan:
There was 1 chaperone for 20 students, his statements were completely inconsistent...he said there were head counts, they were in their rooms and sending kids to their rooms..what is it? You're either policing them or you're not
It's ridiculous for him to hang his hat on the fact they're all going off to college, but they aren't gone yet, in college you get orientation you get some kind of transition from being living with your parents etc....
Dan:
Wait a second, that sounds like some sort of moralistic position , Natalee's parents are at fault for sending her ?....
Susan:
Be square about what your position is, you're either there to monitor them or not...
Dan:
They're generally there to make sure the kids are alright, well you'll they didn't do a very good job, and they noticed the next morning she was missing , now we're blaming the chaparones ...
Susan
I didn't think his statements added up, he was talking out of both sides of his mouth. What he says didn't square up, it sounded like a very defensive explanation.
Dan:
I'm not willing to blame the parents. AM I being naive to think their duties were somewhere in between
CLint:
THe parents take the responbility by talking to the child, you cannot tell 5 chaperones to chase 150 kids all over an island og 62 square miles
Michelle:
The chaperones have responbility, I'm surprised they weren't named in any civil suit. THey do have responsibility
Dan:
You're saying a general moral culpability
Michelle:
No, The parents sent them with adults who should have been supervising
Clint:
WHo would ever volunteer to be a chaperone again under these circumstances...
Dan:
A lot of you have been writing in sayin you can't stand the chaperoens, I don't find that credible...
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Catherine Crier February 23 2006
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject: CATHERINE CRIER LIVE Feb 23 Transcript
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Catherine Crier:
Natalee's father joins us to share his thoughts on the upcoming interview and the lawsuit. His book will soon be released. Bo Dietl is here, he served the papers on Joran. Julia Renfro is with us as well.
Dave, your thoughts on this interview
Dave:
I saw a few pieces of the interview, Joran had a lot of stories of what happened at the HI, they finally settled in that he dropped her off at the beach, how did he get home, there's lot of varying stories on that, did he walk home, did Deepak or Satish drive him home. He's settled on Satish drove him home
Catherine
In talking to Chris, Joran said he wouldn't believe himself...do you believe him now?
Dave:
Not really, he confirmed the fact that he does lie, he's told so many stories. Did they even go to the beach, this kid has his own apartment detached from his parents house, why didn't he go to his own apartment, which is where they first stopped. Deepak indicates that they all had their way with Natalee according to the tape..I believe they did it at the apartment...they said something bad happened, did they take her to the Marriott afterwards and threw her out there....what is the truth?
Catherine
What about his own reputation with the ladies, he did make a habit of picking up tourist women, having sex with them and dumping them back at their hotels.
Dave
There are a lot of rumours about that ,but I haven't confirmed that.
Catherine:
Had you seen any of the casino videotape?
Dave:
I have, some of my internet investigators have told me it's been manipulated, Natalee walked in at 8:50, it appears her and Joran were separated by 2 or 3 other girls,. she was not interested or had contact with him she walked out and came back, look closely at the date stamp, it doesn't appear they were together at all
Catherine:
She got in the car, left the bar when her friends befgged her not to go, has anybody confirmed that?
Dave:
No question she got in the car, what happened after they made the left or right turn after they left Carlos & Charlie's is a mystery
Catherine:
She did get up and leave with him, whatever the time stamp says that's in dispute
Dave;
There's no dispute about who she left with, I have info that she left the bar looked around, went back in and 15 minutes later Deepak led her out by the arm and she was in a worse condition.
Catherine:
Julia, you saw the tape some time ago, did you glean anything from it
Julia:
Natalee and Joran were not together in the casino...I heard it mentioned about the time stamp, Natalee walked in and out 4 times, security cameras show her going into the bathroom, she leaves several times alone and returns alone.
Catherine;
Dave, you're suggesting that Deepak or somebody slipped her something Xtacy or something, anything on the video that shows the 3 suspects having direct contact with her?...
Julia:
Those are two entirely different situations, this is the casino and Dave is talking about C&C several hours later.. In the casino, which is the video ABC has obtained, there's no contact whatsoever..several girls in between them , they're having light converastion with Joran the other girls are.
Catherine:
Bo, You served Joran, tell us about that
Bo:
We've been involved the last couple of months with Kelly, we were in Aruba, we found out other things I'm not at liberty to discuss....we put surveillance teams on, we nailed the father at the Lucerne...(repeats all the same crap we've heard him say before about the 3 continent thing )
(Bo keeps calling Joran "URINE" (really professional and classy)
My operatives, my operatives....two ppl on the plane, I double banged him on the ground to make sure, I did it personally inside the airport so there was absolutely not doubt about service.
Catherine:
He'd already been served on the aircraft, how did he react?
Bo:
He looked at me with very angry eyes, I was hoping he'd swing at me, he didn't do it, he was never touched or pushed. He was looking at me like he'd like to have me alone and I'd sure like to get him alone
Catherine:
You've got all your guys all over the place, all over Aruba and Amsterdam, I assume you're following him around, did you find out anything"
BO:
One thing we found out, there are other cases in Aruba, 3 other girls. The father is a very powerful guy in Aruba. The chief comes out about new breaking story about a body, credible tips. This father is very powerful in Aruba, he wanted Joran back in Holland, this kid thinks he can walk around, he's a big man a strong man, he thinks he can have his way with all these girls, he got caught up with this, he knows what happened to this little girl
Catherine:
Yale, it's unusual to have the civil suit to come first, information may come out in depositions that might help the criminal prosecution
Yale:
There's lot of good news and I commend Bo and his team, great service, you and John are to be commended. I think it's great what they're doing, John's law firm in New York will have the power to get civil discovery, documents...jurisdictional issue might hold it up, I don't know. I read the complaint and the statutes, it deals with Alabama law filed in New York...who knows whether it will carry the day.
They might be able to develop evidence to get some kind of a case. there's no crime scene, no crime, we know something occured we don't know what it was, a willful act, an accident... Bo and John may get the anwers
Bo;
One time he's admitting that he didn't have a condom, then he says he had sex with her, this kid is a liar, when you tell the truth you don't have to remember what you say
Catherine:
Here's what he said he thought when he heard Natalee had gone missing (plays part of interview)
Yale, Joran was asked what he thought happened...would you have let him do the interview
Yale:
With all the lawyers that are representing this kid, why did they agree to do this. This will only add fuel to the fire, it will give John more ammunition, he seems to be building this pile of lies and we've seen hundreds of times, in a lot of these cases it's the defendants own words that hang him.
I don't know what these ppl are thinking, no idea why they did this.
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Chris Cuomo February 23 2006
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:26 pm Post subject: PrimeTime ~~Chris Cuomo Feb 23
By the time 10 pm came and I'd been listening and typing since 8 pm, I'll admit I was nearly done in. I'd also done Abrams Report earlier as well.
Consequently, I concentrated on taking down Joran's words and left out the commentary and questions from Chris Cuomo.
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Chris:
You're sitting here knowing there's been a lot of scrutiny about what happened that night, why do you come forward
Joran:
This has been a lot for my family and me and Aruba, it's about time someobdy gets to see the other side of the story
There's aboslutely no reason to believe me. I would probably not believe myself.
It's time to just tell the truth.
I sat down there, within 5 minutes there was a group of girls form MB that sat down next to me, they wanted to play as well. They'd been drinking all day and they all had drinks with them.
Chris:
Did she seem interested in you
Joran:
No
Even when her, the real moment that I was paying attention to her, when I met her was in Carlos & Charlie's.
I got to C&C, deepak parked his car behind C&C, we walked into the club, it was late, the club was closing at 1. On the way to the bar, she was on the stage dancing, she saw me, she screamed to me, come dance with me, she grabbed my hand and said "dance with me"
I was like "no, I can't, I'm talking tot my friends". she said, "come and take a jelly shot off me" She took me by the hand to the bar, jumped up laid down and told the bartender to bring a jelly shot
We went to the other bar on the opposite side, I asked her what do you want to drink and she asked what I recommended, I said 151 b/c it's what I usually take.
I wasn't planning to get her drunk at all. I saw her like somebody who was trying to have fun, she had a lot of drinks.
There was this guy there, he told Natalee to get out of the car NOW. Deepak told her if you want to get out..she said no she wants to stay with us.
I talked to her friends too, she told her friends she was coming with me. I thought everything was fine.
I initiated the kissing. WE were planning on going to my house. My intentions were to have sex with her.
No no sharks at all around Aruba. There are none.
I told Deepak to go to the lighthouse. I was talking to her the whole time, she was telling me about her life
Where she's from, where she goes to school, still making sense, the only thing that didn't make sense was her mom was Hitler's sister. I have no clue what that means.
It came up, she said it and one of her friends when they were together she told her the same thing. I thought she was joking, but she said she was serious.
We never went to the lighthouse. I asked her do you want to go to the hotel. she said no, We went to the beach next to her hotel.
We drove to that beach, we got out and I told Deepak I'd call him later to come pick me up. I was planning on walking to her hotel and maybe on the beach walk there it would happen between us.
She seemed okay. There were a lot of couples on the beach. I took off my shoes, we walked up to the water, we sat down talking kissing, I asked her if she wanted to go back to the hotel, she wanted to walk towards the north side of the island...one other couple walked by. We got to the fisherman's huts, we sat down in the sand and we kissed, made out.
She was laying on top of me kissing me, we were touching each other, I ended up she put her hands in my pants and I Put my hands in her pants no sex, that's as far as it went. No intercoursee. I asked her if she wanted to have sex, she was fine, I didn't have a condom with me, I won't have sex with a girl without a condom.
I got to know her a little, I thoguht she was attractive, I thougth she was nice. It was just a mutual hook up for the moment.
We cuddled awhile on the beach laying there, until I said it was time to walk her back to her hotel. She said she didnt want to go back, She wnted me to stay, she wanted to stay she didn't want to go back to Alabama. She closed her eyes and kind of went to sleep on my chest.
She wanted me to stay with her there, she didn't want to go back to Alabama.
I tried to convince her to go back to her hotel, I even jokingly picked her up in my arms, she told me to put her down
the last time I saw her is when I told her I was going to Depak's car. She was sitting on the sand by the ocean
At that moment I wanted to go home, I wanted to go to school the next day.
I left my shoes on the beach, I walked to the car, we got in I couldn't go back because we were going home.
I guess we decided, I also decided I didnt want anyone to know that that happened.
I walked up to her (Beth Twitty) and she was holding a pic, she said to me, screamed tell me where my daughter is.
I told her that I don't know.
I lied b/c i was scared, I had a g/f I didn't want my dad to think bad of me or my friends.
I didn't want anyone to know I left her at the beach
There wasn't a lot of thought at all, basically making it up as we went along, just saying we dropped her off at the hotel. Let's go to the hotel and then Deepak made up a story that there was a security guard that walked up to her, took her by the hand and took her inside, fell out of the car.
For no specific reason he told that,
The parents were up at our house, screaming, cussing the way they were putting pressure on us, made us probaby make us want to lie more because we figured we were in big trouble
They were searching for a girl, I lied to them, How they acted towards my family and my friends is not the way ppl would act if their daughter was missing
Deepak and Satish came to my house almost everyday, we talked and discussed things, maybe it's time to go to the police and tell them exactly what happened.
If she were to be found tomorrow, I'd hate her.
At one point I was, I thought I was going too deep into it, too late to go forward, then you would look bad, look guilty. At this point we have to stick to the story, or they'll think we had something to do with it.
Or course, it's difficult, I lied to the police I think when I lied to them they believed us, I believe aruban police believed us the first time when we told them we dropped her off at the HI.
The rest of the morning of my graduation I was arrested. Mixed emotions, you're angry, you want to go home in the end you have to look at yourself and say it's your own fault.
One emotion I did not feel was fear because there was nothing to be scared of.
When I heard my father was arrested, I almost went crazy. How can they do this.
During all these police interrogations, they try and do everything to you, to make you look guilty, to make you say things you don't want to say from 8 a.m. to 10 pm. straight interrogations.
They hit me, one cop he didn't like me he was walking circles around me, fuck your mom your dad your lawyer and I ended up saying fuck to him he hit me with open hand across the back of my head and knocked me off my chair.
From the beginning I talked to Deepak he agreed we'd keep his brother out of this.
The only explanantion I can come up with of why Deepak and Satish would lie that Satish picked me up, if they said they picked me up everything goes towards them, they dropped me off and I went to sleep, they had a car and done anything they wanted.
The thing that keeps me, does make me think they know more about it, is they won't tell the truth about Satish picking me up
I just wanted to cry, laying in a corner sometimes laying there I felt, who cares I might as well say I did it, no use nobody will believe me now, may as well get everybody out of trouble.
I think what I did worng is leaving her there at the beach, I should have brought her back to the hotel or left her with someone, her friends
It eats at me every day that if I hadn't left her there in the first place, all of this might not have happened.
When he served me, he started screaming take this, it's official , he was saying asshole welcome to america, tell us where her body is
I don't think I deserved this type of treatment. Their lawsuit is ridiculous
I'm not a sexual predator and my parents don't know what I do when I go out.
I know my father didn't know about any of the lies we told.
that's ridiculous and there's not one girl that has come forward or will ever come forward with that, because it's simply not true
That's not true at all, everything we did was consensual.
What they've done with aruba, that's going too far, it's absurd.
I believe it's very frustrating for Natalee's parents
I know it doesn't look good for me but I want ppl to know the truth and for me to get on with my life.
I have awesome friends here and in aruba, I have been portrayed unfiairly, I've been protrayed as a murderer and a rapist which I am not.
I'm a normal teenager, I like to play sports, going to college, hang out with friends, a normal teenager.
Sometimes I feel like I need help dealing with my emotions, but I'm someone who likes not to show my emotions.
They're all built up in there, it's not easy to be happy when stuff like this are happening.
If I were to see Natalee, if she were to be found to me I'd hate her. If she really ran away from home she did something like that I'd hate her.
If i'm cleared b/c there's no evidene it won't make anyone else believe me, but if this case is solved then ppl will believe me.
I think it will end for me and for everyone when the truth comes out.
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Nance Grace February 23 2006
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: Nancy Grace Feb 23 Transcript
NOT VERBATIM ~~~ NOT COMPLETE
Nancy Grace:
He said wrong place, wrong time, ever heard that excuse before.
Let's take a look at Joran, the judge's son's most recent version of how he left a defenseless girl on the beach at 3 a.m. (plays ABC tape)
That's not all, Joran was the last one seen with Natalee, her parents are broken hearted over her disappearance.
Out to Beth Twitty, what do you make of Joran speaking so freely to network television, but when you were there trying to talk to him, he and his dad had a poolside summit with a bunch of defense lawyers
Beth:
What's so frustrating to us, so many times he would place his fingers in his ears, he merely toyed with them over the summer, it's so not true that Joran was interrogated on a daily basis. He gave statementss early on, he was advised not to talk and to change his story. On Aruba it's no big deal to change your story
Nancy:
WHy would he refuse to return to aruba to talk to the police?
???:
Everything about this case is a mistake, one thing we can say is he is guilty of bad judgment, that is very different from being guilty of murder or a crime. He's an 18 year old kid responding under pressure.
Beth:
Why would Joran have fabricated stories so early, not only did he make up the story about HI, just think about what went on to come up with Abraham Jones and Mickey John ....somebody had to know those two men to come up with them in order for Joran to implicate them in Natalee's disappearance.
Nancy:
You took , you managed to get yourself a private plane to get to Aruba, at that time he would hardly speak to you, but already he'd come up with a lie to blame those security guards. They'd never met with Natalee, they languised behind bars, crying for their release....he let them be falsely imprisoned..tonight we learn from this new interview that he claims he left with Satish. Kalpoe 's attorney says "no way", right Eric?
Eric;
I had a chance to speak to Deepak and Satish's attorney, he said it's not the case. Satish's attorney said he did not pick up Joran after they dropped him at the Marriott beach, which would be the 3rd version of his story
Nancy:
Now we see the 3 young men splinter in their story, there's a new story. Now Joran speaks so freely to tv but refuses to speak to police.
Nancy:
Eric our producer, who spent so may weeks in Aruba, where were the van der Sloots in New York
Eric:
They were staying at the Lucerne, ABC puts up their guests there
Nancy:
Pretty posh, while the MOm and Dad of Natalee are combing the countryside begging for help they're bunked up at a 5 star hotel.
We obtained the video, Natalee at a local casino spotted with Joran What's so signifcant it forces Joran to admit he was with her the night she went missing. This is grainy, but there you see him at the casino, they're actually shot together with her little friends from MB, senior trip and Joran, take a look in the circle.
Now, that beautiful footage, now he is stuck; if it weren't for that footage he could have come up with a whole other scenario. There may be footage from C&C, there are many witnesses that saw him leave with her
Beth:
Exactly I think that Joran had always admitted he left with her, he was extremely vague about seeing her before, which we can tell now he saw her before.
Nancy;
Let's take another look at the video.
"My intention was to take her to my house to have sex with her, I asked her if she wanted to have sex, and she was fine with it, I didn't have a condom with me , though in my wallet, and I won't have sex with a girl without a condom
There's a principled guy, not having sex with a girl without a condom.
He was so worried about what ppl would think, he didn't join any searches for Natalee. He's talking about his shoes, which many people think why would a guy leave a girl alone on the beach and leave without his shoes.
Beth, response?
Beth:
Nancy it's hard to respond, I'm just glad that he's coming out on camera. I heard a sound byte and he does, when he tells one lie more evolve, it's mind boggling that we're witnessing this.
Nancy:
What's the most most disturbing part of this interview he gave network tv?
Beth:'
Where he's implicating Satish, several of his statements he said Deepak picked him up, bottom line that didn't happen, the gardener that came forward, nailed those guys at the pond.
Nancy:
what do you think now they're now spliting rank
Beth:
That could only be helpful to force some kind of answer, there's some dissention among these 3, they're implicating each other, I think that's a sign that it will force more answers
Nancy:
You have seen police files that we have not seen His statements to police are very different than what he's telling network news.
Do you recall telling me that Joran gave a perfect and accurrate descripton of Natalee's underwear
Beth:'
yes, he did. He was very graphic, the words that he used to describe her were sexually explicit.
Nancy:
How is it that now he's saying they cuddled on the beach, that she wanted sex and he refused her
Beth:
The statements were given early on, they were very detailed. He was very forthcoming with witnesses that first night about the sexual assaults he committed against Natalee
Nancy:
Every time he gives televised statements the prosecution must be licking their chops
David:
Every time there's an inconsistent statement it increases the suspicion but, suspicion does not make a murderer.
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Nancy:
Beth, we were talking about Joran swearing there was no sex, he gave a very detailed description of Natalee's underwear, the embroidery and all that. YOu just revealed a new fact to us
Beth:
Not only did he know about her under clothes but physical description of her without her clothes on
Nancy:
Tonight Joran has a case of the gab, he spoke for hours to one of the networks. Beth what do you find, when you hear these new statements, speaking so freely, is there a book deal floating around for Joran but Natalee is still missing
Beth:
It looks like to me Joran is going to sit down and answer some deposoitions, he's ready to talk may be he needs to do that under oath
Nancy:
Scott, one of Beth Twitty's attorneys, what do you intend to gain in addition to getting them under oath
Scott:
To find out exactly what happened that night, what happened to Natalee and get some answers
Nancy:
Eric how does this ABC interview ocmpare to what he's said in the past
Eric:
He's done 4 tv interviews...Exclusivo in Aruba, the ambush interview with ACA and last weekend he did an interview with NOVA in Holland.. SOmething he left out on NOVA was the issue about sex and the condom , an interesting omission.
Another person who is watching tonight is Karin Janssen, the lead Prosecutor on this case. Wonder what she's thinking .....
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Nancy:
To criminal profiler Pat Brown, why is it significant that Joran can't shut up
Pat:
A lot of ppl can't shut up when they're trying to convince you, he is exhibiting sociopathic behavior, arrogance, blaming the victim. SHe wanted sex, he didn't. He said she wanted unprotected sex.
Nancy:
Eric you told us about 4 interviews. Tell us about some of the inconsistencies
Eric:
The major inconsistencies the prosecutor will be looking at is what he told police and what he told network tv.
The biggest one is who picked him up at the beach, now he's saying it was Satish..a big discrepancy.
Nancy:
The judge's son Joran van der Sloot was last seen with Natalee. He's stuck that he's on video with her, her whole class saw him leaving Carlos & Charlies. He's stuck with 4 televised interviews OUCH. That has got to hurt the defense.
Beth, what if anything do you think the Aruban Prosecutor will do with these interviews?
Beth:
I hope that they see that now Joran is not only changed the pickup from Deepak to Satish, they need to go back to August, when the gardener's statement was given, what happened, Deepak panicked that very day, made a call to a girl for an alibi, that girl made a call to the FBI, she did not want to be involved. Their alibis were destroyed repeatedly.
Nancy
He said she wanted to have sex, he didn't want to have unprotected sex, he leaves her aroudn 3 a.m. Why did he leave his shoes behind when he left her?
Beth:
That's been a question all along, I didn't know if it was one or two shoes he left behind. What I heard from one of your panel guests, he's just wanted to place all the blame on Natalee, it has to be some kind of sociopathic behaviour that he blames Natalee
Nancy:
The world iswatching the tiny island of ARuba, what will they do next, here's another version on a silver platter Aruba, listen to this
Beth, back to the original statement, you saw those police statements, you saw that he described the embroidery on her underwear, he described her body without clothes, how can he say this now about not having sex with her?
Beth;
For the life of me I don't know, those statements were there, I hope they're still there...he also states that Natalee, that they were drinking and that the aruban LE tried to nail him with rape...You know Nancy, Natalee was not able to choose her will that night
Nancy:
Forensic psychiatrist, (didn't get his name) how did you get to the set tonight?
Doctor:
I came with a chauffeur.
Nancy:
If I ask you that in an hour and you said you hitchiked, what would you make of that? Joran is now changing his story about how he got away from Natalee....
Doctor:
Circumstantial evidence is not always what it appears, these ppl were under the influence of alcohol, I don't think he's a psychopath because he gives a different version. He's a young man under tremendous pressure
Nancy;
You're kidding me right, you must be kidding me
Doctor:
If you're a psychopath you don't admit you did anything wrong, I don't think it's bad for him to have not wanted to have sex with somebody he didn't know very well, especially without a condom ...
Nancy:
Review his statement, he states he was an island lothario that made it his business to go to casinos every night and have sex with tourist girls and then say goodbye. Jossy Mansur is joining us..Jossy can Aruban prosecutors use these interviews againast Joran?
Jossy:
Of course, they can, they are statements made by a suspect, who is a suspect for quite some time to come. I've seen in Aruba that videos have been used succesfully in criminal cases.
Nancy:
This might close the book on any prosecution. Have they asked for a speedy trial?
Mansur
The lawyers have asked for a dismissal of Joran as a suspect, according to the length of the law he should be kept for two years.
nancy:
Beth I know that you have filed a civil lawsuit, most ppl wait for the criminal case to go forward and use that evidence
Beth:
This was truly a brilliant move on John's part, it is a movement to get some answers, to get them on US soil, getting to the bottom of it. AS far as the family, John is the first man who has produced some results, dedicated to getting to the bottom of this
Nancy:
Helping Mrs. Twitty is John Q Kelly who won the OJ simpson lawsuit, I find it very suggestive that he can't keep his story straight about geting home
Pat:
Nothing to do with an innocent young man, he' a liar. In the story there is truth, I wish I hadn't gone out, I wish Id' brought her home safely
Nancy:
Eric, do the vdS current account ...line up with Kalpoe
Eric:
It does not, Kalpoe's attorney says no
Viewers around the world, it's an open case $250 for information and one million for her safe return.
Nancy:
Final thought Beth
Beth:
I really feel as if this is something the family can hang on to John getting results, I'm looking forward to some success there.
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Larry King Live February 23 2006
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject: LKL Feb 23 Transcript
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Ted Rowlands
Joining us is Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway. John Kelly, Mark Geragos Mary Fulginiti. Recently Joran did an interview for ABC's PrimeTime, we'll show you clips and get reactions from Natalee's parents.
(Plays interview, leaving Natalee on the beach)
Beth you see that, I know you saw other clips throughout the day, you haven't seen the entire interview. What do you think when you see Joran pleading his case
Beth:
That's what he's done all along, doesn' s urprise me, what everyone can see is every time Joran talks his lies evolve
Ted:
he claims he left her on the beach, he claims she wanted to have sex with him, he didn't have sex with her because he didn't have a condom with him , he leaves her on the beach
Beth
As far as leaving her on the baech, the reason why he continually changes who picked him up, that's not what happened, there were witnesses that came forward that nailed all the suspects in the same car by the pond close to the Marriott. He hasn't given us the correct version yet
Ted
Do you have any one theory about what happened?
Beth:
I'm not sure, it doesn't look good, why would he have fabricated a story so early, why would he have implicated the security guards,...everything does not look good for the outcome for Natalee
Ted
John Q Kelly has served a lawsuit stating he's a predator and that he sexually assaulted Natalee
Beth:
I have never said he murdered her, I've stuck to the admissions he said
Ted:
John Kelly is the attorney for Beth Twitty, tell us about the lawsuit
John:
We want to show the vdS that having not cooperated with Aruba, they couldn't come to the US and put a spin on their story with impunity. We're watching their every move, and we're going to get answers.
Long term I want to take their depositionsg, see Joran and Paul face to face and ask him ,...
Ted:
You claim he allowed a time bomb to go out at night and prey on young women..Isn't that a stretch
John:
Everything from the complaint is taken from the police reports...Joran was out there those nights, obviously he was having his way with his father...one of the suspects said Paul told them not to use their cell phones emails, to get their stories straight before they talk to investigators...no body no crime.
Ted:
Beth I know you've been critical of the Aruban investigation. Have your feelings gotten better, worse, what's your relationship with ALE and the Prosecutor?
Beth:
As far as our being displeased with the investigation absolutely, since we've left the island, they haven't shown any action in the investigation. We didn't have any cocmmunication with them since August that's why we hired John...of course we were displeased and have been since the beginning, they have a lack of urgency about anything in Natalee's case
Geragos
I think it's a smart move this lawsuit, if the criminal investigation is dead in the water, do you anticipate that they will stay the action so you can't do any discovery?
John:
Thanks Mark, I think down the road, there are a couple of procedural hurdles, when you get to the substantive issues...they'll take the 5th until the criminal investgation is over.
Geragos
It doesn't help the son's case to talk and then take the 5th. By naming the father as defendant, does it make it easier to get discovery
JOhn:
SUre he's a named party and we'll get discovery, we don't need to subpoena him he's got to appear.
Geragos:
Helpful reason to name him
Ted:
The lawsuit was served on both Joran and Paul van der Sloot. We'll talk about how they tracked Joran and his father down to serve them.
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Ted:
Beth when you watch that, what goes through your mind
Beth:
The repeated lies that Joran has given, just over and over and over again. I just don't know how much more the family can take hearing from him.
Ted:
He basically said right there he doesn't know whether she went back to the hotel, hooked up, went swimming. Knowing your daugher do you think she went to hook up with someobdy else or what?
Beth:
I know definitely that Joran knows exactly what he did with her that night
Ted:
Quickly, we're going to talk to David Koch attorney for the Kalpoe brothers. What are your thoughts that Joran is speaking out and claiming now that Satish picked him up from the beach
David:
I think the only consistent thing from the last statement is that he left Natalee on the baech. Statement about leaving have been changing, at a certain moment is that he walked home, he said he called Deepak that Deepak picked him up. When he was confronted with internet records proving that Deepak was home on the pc, he said Satish picked him up.
He is consistent now, but not during the investigation.
Ted:
They do admit they were with Natalee in a car, did they admit any sexual assault on Natalee..
David;
Not at all, it's very new to me now what he's saying now about my clients. At a certain moment he also admitted that they dropped him it's a matter of whether he picked them up or not
Ted:
What are your clients saying happened.
David:
They dropped him with the girl at Joran's request at the Marriott. They went home, Deepak got a call about 2:30 in the morning and then an internet message later.
Ted:
Your clients were arrested twice, they're still suspects. Do you think they could be re-arrested at any time
David:
I think they won't be arrested based on the facts, they are still suspects, there's an ongoing criminal investigation, it's not closed.
Ted:
Beth, what do you think about the Kalpoe bros and their role in this Do you believe that they had a role
Beth:
I know one thing Deepak did, the gardener came before the Judge to say he saw the brothers and Joran at the pond, in front of prosecutor just, everybody, Deepak panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. He called an aruban girl to establish an alibi, she called the FBI and told them she did not want to be involved in this. This was definitely a red flag that Deepak was being nailed in that car at a critical time.
Mary:
If you look at Deepak's actions, they are very suspicious. They look bad, ever changing stories, they've had at least 12 different versions. There's phone msgs, text msgs, emails...I know it's frustrating, they can't compel them to tell the truth, and it's clear they haven't told the truth.
I have a question for John, you said you were privy to police records and files about this case...in particular you have allegations, damaging ones,Paragraphs 36 to 38, kept her against her will, sexually assaults her without consent by Joran and his accomplices.
Did you gather that from statements or just ....
It's everything in the complaint all allegations are taken from police investigation reports, statements of 3 suspects
Ted:
we've tried to repeatedly contact the attorney for Joran van der Sloot but our calls have not been returned.
Ted:
From Meridian, Mississippi is Dave Holloway. Your reaction to the lawsuit
Dave:
He indicated that allegations are not true. All of them are taken from police records. He's had opportunity to lie to the police over and over, but there's no penalties in ARuba for that. When we get him here, there will be penalties for lying.
Ted;
He says he left her on the beach
Dave:
He's told us a number of lies, the HI, the security guards, they settled in on leaving her at the Marriott beach. They lied about how they got home...
Ted:
John realistically, do you think you'll depose this young man
John:
We are taking this very seriously, we think we'll get a chance to depose him.
Ted:
You filed this in NY, there's no tie to NY, Mary you did research
Mary:
Yes, it may fly, he put a foot in the state so you avail yourself to jurisdiction . The Issue is if the Judge wants to exercise discretion
Geragos:
They will argue non convenience...it was convenient to fly here and do an interview, doing the media interviews will be the worse thing they have done. It allowed them to be served, now he's going to diminish any argument that it shouldn't be in NY
Ted:
Dave what do you think happened to your daughter
Dave:
Good question, that's why we filed this lawsuit, we need to find answers. if we knew that it would be some sort of closure.
Beth:
Theres' no way to explain the nightmare that the family has experienced since May 31. I know how other parents feel, I tell you it's a never ending nightmare, you have to have hope and faith that you have ppl who will get to the bottom of it
Mary:
As a former pros, I'm always amazed when suspects won't talk but go on national tv to give a story.
Geragos:
For both parents and for the lawyer, you couldn't ask for anything better, it gives you the ability to bring the lawsuit, for them to go down to Aruba to do something, they've met with great frustration there, I dont know whether they could do something civilly there, the laws are different. THis lawsuit gives them the opportunity to...
Mary:
The excerpts I've seen have not been very flattering of this boy, it looks like another string of bad facts, bad judgmetn. I'm amazed, even on the Peterson case he went on with Ted and others..
Ted:
The lawsuit alleges that Joran is a predator and that he uses date rape drugs to have his way with girls.
Dave, do you believe him?
Dave:
No I don't. I had an individual, a very good source that they'd heard him brag about it at school. About using date rape drugs.
Ted:
When you listen to him and watch him. He's telling a much different story to an international audience. How do you feel
Beth:
I heard ..his predator behaviour, I want to let you know when I arrived at the HI...when I began to describe to HI night manager, she knew who he was, "I know him he tends to prey on young american tourists."
Geragos:
Did authorities question her
Beth:
that would have been pushing it, I doubt they questioned her
Geragos:
How much of the investigation did you have to do yourselves?
Beth:
Between Dave Jug, myself , if we weren't so aggressive there would not have been an investigation, the media kept them moving as well
Ted;
Joran said he asked her if she wanted to have sex......no condom...
Making the statement that he would not engage in this type of behaviour, but without saying it, that your daugther may have..It doesn't sound like your daughter Dave, what do you make of it
Dave:
That was one of his excuses as to why they stopped at his apartment. If you have an individual that you're going to take advantage of, you're not going to the beach...we believe the assault occured at his apartment
Ted:
DO you want to file against the Kalpoes
John:
Yeah sure, let them come to the US and do som interviews...
Ted;
Is there a risk in filing this lawsuit that you're prolonging not finding any answers, worrying about not finding out anything
Beth:
I don't, I really think that I keep that hope an faith that we will get to the bottom. There are things that are yet to happen
Ted:
DAve are you optimistic
Dave:
Ive' been optimistic, 3 kids cannot commit the perfect crime, unless they had help or assistance.
When I arrived on the island they had already questioned them.. They'd fooled the police already...I have a concern and still do with the investigative team
Geragos:
Did they do any DNA or forensic search in the apartment..you said it happened in Joran's apartment
Dave:
They say they did a search of Joran's apartment, I've got a photo taken two or three weeks afterwards with a mvoing van in front of the house. It's frightening why someoby was buying furniture while their son is in jail I'm speculating they wanted to swap the furniture out to get rid of evidence. There are a lot of clues out there.
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Ted:
Odds of lawsuit actually producing any fruit for the family. Aren't they just going to throw it out
Fulginiti:
They can choose not to respond, which will result in default judgment.
They could try to attach against their assets
Geragos:
it's an uphill battle for the Holloways. THe judge will be inclined to throw this out. It will depend on what they have in support
Mary;
The problem is that nothing occured in NY other than they got off a plane in NY. NO witneses are in NY, nothing happened in Ny
Ted:
They're asking for unspecificed damages, they're asking for answers.. It depends on getting them under oath. The odds of that are pretty long
Mary:
They're looking for the civil discovery process, the family is desperate to hold those individuals responsible.
Geragos:
When you file, the greatest tool is the ability to getdepositions of other ppl, subpoena documents, problem is it's a state court lawsuit, you're limited in what you can do outside NY...
Mary:
Exactly, how will they ever subpoena anybody in Aruba
Michael Cardozza:
It will make the Holloways feel better, it strikes me if they do default that meanas the Holloways will get a $ judgment and if they make any money from books for instance, it might be difficult.
Geragos:
He should have just told ABC to come to Aruba
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Stacy Honowitz from what you've seen of this interview, do you believe him
Stacy:
I dont know if you can believe him, what I find so interesting though, I can't believe you'd be shocked that he came over here. Some defendants are arrogant, somebody may have advised him and he just didn't care.
Stacy:
He proabbly never thought he was going to get served. His father was willing to tell him how to cover up...
Geragos:
if his father is so sophisticated about no body no crime, he'd know that you don't go to the US when a family wants more information
Ted:
Robbie Ludwig, you've seen some of this. What's your take on this young man
Robbie:
he's a very hard person to believe. what concerns me, he has no empathy for natalee or her family and he devalues her, he's describing her as loose, she's drunk, she wanted him All of these things that present her in a bad light. I really think that he objectified her, in his head what happened to her is not his fault, he shouldn't take responsibility. There's a grandiosity in coming over here, he thinks he's so fabulous, so convincing...
Ted:
We should note LKL has repeatedly tried to contact the vdS attorney to join the program tonight, but our calls have not been returned.
Stacy:
It is a leap, there's sufficient evidence they put into this lawsuit, this is the guy who was last with her...they have girls who say he used date rape drugs...logically speaking ppl are going to associate him with her, if he lured her, raped her he probably murdered her.
Ted:
It alleges he sexually assaulted her,
Mary:
He said it was consensual, he said they were engaged in acts that were consensual. We don't believe him though, he admitted that he didn't tell the truth.
Most ppl if they're not implicated in any wrong doing don't lie,
Geragos:
what do you mean pl don't lie, ppl lie for all kinds of reasons, in all kinds of circumstances even though they're completely not guilty..
Ted;
Michael what is a viable explanation for what happened to this young woman
Michael:
If John can go after these women who said he used date rape drugs...he may just have used used drugs with the Kalpoes as his accomplice, she either O'D, they all tried to sexually assualt her, she fought them...they took her to the lighthouse where the garbage is dumped, that's wehre the sharks are...
Ted:
RObbie do you believe him
Robbie:
You can lie at any moment and then tell the truth but his story just doesn't make any sense.
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The Lineup February 23 2006
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: The Lineup ~~ Feb 23
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The Lineup -- Kim Guilfoyle
He admits that he's lied. He understands why nobody believes him, he says he wouldn't believe himself either.
By phone, Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty.
How you doing Beth, how are you holding up?
B:
This has been a difficult week, it really gets tiring, but we have to look at it any time we can get Joran speaking, it shows all his lies, it takes the family closer to answers
K:
You were surprised by this interview, tell me what struck you as something Joran said that was truly preposterous
D:
He said he left his shoes on the beach and took off, to me you don't leave your shoes on the beach unless you're in a panic. He continually degrades Natalee and everyone around her, everyone having to do with this is degraded.
K:
Listen to this portion, where he says he didn't have a sexual relation with your daughter (Plays portion of interview about jelly shots)
K:
He's suggesting that your daughter was being aggressive, she was coming after him...It's poor Joran,....I didn't belive any of it
B:
When I hear Joran or I think, you know everything is placed on Natalee, the initiation of the meeting, purchasing the alcohol, she initiated the sexual contact, everything is her fault ...where is he coming from he has to be a sociopath, he's continuously placing all the blame on his victim
K:
This guy adds insult and injury goes out of his way to blame Natalee, one other thing bothered me, that he claims Natalee said her mother is Hitler's sister, if anybody didn't like this guy this was enough to put them over the edge
B:
Everyone who's witnessed what we've been experiencing, the litany of lies that he continually gives, eventually he will be trapped, I dont' know how long he'll be able to continue
K:
About the shoes, this is the biggest lie of all I think
D:
The fact he's changed the story from walking home, Deepak took him home Satish took him home...as time goes on he's going to lay the blame on Deepak
K:
Be encouraged, let them turn on each other, all three are lying, there's a reason why they're suspects. I can't wait until they're held accountable.
Please everyone, there's a $250,000 reward for any information about Natalee's whereabouts.
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Kim:
Notice how he's getting blotchy and red in the face, that's what happens when you're lying.
If you're just joining us, Joran gave an explosive interview this week.
Joining me now is Lauren Lake, Michael Molfetta, Don Clarke former FBI
Don, about this investigation, where do you think it went wrong
D:
You didn't have the right people in tow to get it right. .....
All of those statements, those stories had they been taken by a trained investigator, skilled in interviewing it might have gone somewhere but that's where it started out going wrong.
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Lauren, when I saw this interview with his blotchy red face, his shifty eyes, sweating, it's like all the cases I've had where someoby has something to lie about. If he didn't do anything wrong, why is this man not telling the truth...this is my favourite, he tried to blame it on 2 security guards
Lauren
I like the part about 2 black security guards. Remember, he's a young man, he'a a teenage boy, all the stories can go to show he's a teenage boy..he's scrambling, you dig yourself a hole ...this is a boy who cried wolf, it's hard for him to get out of that now, his story has some truth
K:
There's always a bit of truth in with the mess of lies,...should he be getting a boy scout award, after all he claims he wouldn't have sex without a condom
Michael:
Any time I've had a client saying I wouldn't believe this story if I was you it usually means only one thing. WHy is this kid talking to anybody at any time anyway?
He's not believable, what's he trying to do, his image is shot. He's trying to resurrect himself, he's a very strange person
K:
He better hope these other women don't materialize
L:
Well where are these girls, nobody seems to have come forward. I don't think they have a case agaisnt him.
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Dan Abrams February 24 2006
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject: ABRAMS REPORT Feb 24 Transcript
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Dan
Beth is here to respond to what Joran said in the network interview.
Michelle Suskauer, Susan Filan, Clint Van Zandt, Beth Twitty
Dan:
Joran, the main suspect in Natalee's disappearance has finally been heard from. In an interview on PrimtTime Joran insisted he had notihng to do with Natalee's disappearance.
What do you make of the interview Beth:
B:
I think my reaction is, as usual Joran puts all the blame on Natalee..it just seems to be going along with Joran's M.O. of placing all the responsiblity on Natalee
D:
He talked about when they met at the bar, here's what he said about how they started talking.
Is that one of the comments where he's blaming her, the jelly shot story?
B:
There again he's blaming Natalee, she's asking for the jelly shot, she's asking him to do it, everything was due to her initiation if you believe Joran
D:
What about the commentss he made about you, your interaction with him. He made a very hurtful comment that Natalee said some horrible things about you
B:
They're untrue, there was a comment where Joran said I was Hitler's daughter, thatIi was yelling at him, that night I remained seated in the back seat of the car,I was so stunned, he approached me in an aggressive manner, I didn't approach him
D:
He says you were screaming at him
That's not the way it happened is it?
B;
I was seated in the backseat of a car, the door was ajar, he approached me I did in a firm manner ask what he did with Natalee, he kept hitting his chest, so arrogant and condescending, I was so stunned I couldn't hardly come up with anything...what he's saying is just untrue, I hope all your viewers see through this
D:
It's difficult to listen, you've filed a lawsuit, so the more statements he puts out there the better
B:
One thing is that Joran can travel to NY give interviews, so now that we filed the lawsuit he can come back to answer questions under oath.
D;
I was struck by some of the things he said, even if you believe him, it was in bad taste. When he found out she was missing (reads what he said)
Beth:
Dan, how can we go back and see that Joran has fabricated a story within several hours of us coming to the island..Abraham Jones and Mickey Johns those two security guards he blamed, he had to have help from somebody on the island to know about their records so he could blame them....
D:
He was asked about the allegations about giving date rape drugs to women and assaulting them in the past, mistreated them, he said that's simply not true.
Beth:
There were, I know of 2 young girls, one was 16 and one 14 it was difficult for them but they came forward, hired an attorney, gave statements to the police, these were real girls coming forward. We don't know what happened, it had something to do, I was told that Jacobs had strongly talked to them and was putting the pressure on them to retract. We don't know how far the police department really went to put a stop to it.
D:
how hard was it to watch Joran's interview?
B:
I saw it last night, I don't want to see it again, I don't want to watch it ever again
The most difficult part is Joran is able to try to defend himself, although when he does, more lies evolve. She's unable to defend herself against what he's saying now, just like that night
D:
This is what Joran said he'd feel like if she turned up alive (shows tape)
That has to be hard to hear, that he'd hate her
B:
Yes, well...it's just one aspect of what Joran is really like.
D:
How certain are you he was involved in Natalee's disappearance?
B:
He was involved in her disappearance, he is responsible together with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, they are solely responsible for her disappearance Yes they are the suspects that took my daugher from that establishment. Joran admitted the sexual assaults against her, they are solely responsible.
D:
HE denies ever having sexually assaulted Natalee, as you know he is basically saying, I asked her if she wanted to have sex .....
You don't believe it do you
B:
I don't, I believe the statement he gave to the police, the statement the witnesses gave the first night about hearing him admitting to sexually assaulting Natalee...she was in and out of consciousness. I believe those witnesses who heard him that night, what he told them and the police
D:
WOuld you have wanted to be there for the interview, I'm not talking about as an observer..
B:
No, not at this point, I would like have some more interviewss from Joran, Place him under oath, really try to get to the bottom of this.
D;
Gotta be another difficult day for you to see this interview with this man who is responsiblet for your daugher's disappearance.
B:
Yes Dan, very difficult.
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Dan:
Did anything he said last night shed any new information on the case?
He said he had nothing to do with her disappearance, she was the one who was coming on to him, she wanted to spend her last night on Aruba with him.
Natalee's family does not like what they're hearing.
Clint you've heard all of it. Joran for about 1 hour talking about all the details of what happened ...you're the FBI guy, what do you make of it?
C:
Your show has been following from the beginning, from Day 1 I didn't like the guy, I didn't like him, the international invesigators don't believe him, they thought he was a predator from Day 1 from the info they gathered.
There's nothing to suggest that the initial beliefs were wrong.
Michelle:
I'm not surpised by anything he said, he went into self preservation mode. It's not completely unbelievable, there's a girl with little chaperoning, having fun, drunk coming on to a guy, it's not hard to believe.
I don't think he had anything to lose by coming on since he's been demonized and convicted in the media already
D:
(Plays sound byte where Joran tells about Natalee's friends telling her to get out of the car)
Susan, regardless of whether it's consistent or not, his demeanour doesn't seem to be so bad ....
S:
If you want him to be without affect, coming off like a cold lying monster.
D:
If he started crying, they'd say crocodile tears. No matter how he came across you wouldn't have been happy right?
S:
The devil is in the details, too many things that don't ring true. SHe pursues him ... she initiates this jelly shot thing, she wants to go riding with him, he leaves his shoes behind....you're not going to easily leave your shoes behind, those were expensive shoes, it just stinks
C:
How could he have done this, he could have sat there and said I'm very sorry, I don't know what happened to her, I obviously lied b/c I was afraid, I'm sorry for the loss.....that's what he should have said, not victimize her all over again
M:
They're not going to be happy with anything, nothing he could say would make you happy
C:
I told you what I'd be happy with. Had he been somewhat contrite, said I'm sorry, I don't know what happened...
M:
We don't know what his personality is, he was locked up for something he says he didn't do, he's 18 years old. Obviously, this is his personality, it's not the greatest
D:
Put your defense attorney hat on, are you sorry he did this interview
M:
Yes, because he's still under investigation, he's now served with a civil suit...BTW it's quite coincidental he's doing an interview, he's served on the plane and there's a book coming out. He doesn't come across as this lovable guy, but he did the interview he's out there
D:
Guess you're talking about Dave Holloway's book
S:
To say that she's the one who wanted to be left alone in the middle of the night after drinking, is absolutely absurd and for him to have imperiled her safety is absolutely wrong. Michelle to say that I wouldn't be happy with anyhthing he said.... Where is the indignation, you've come across ppl who are innocent, you can see that in their eyes...This kid is just too cold, he does not add up
M:
Everybody is going to react differently, he obvously does not express himself well, it doesn't mean he's guilty
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Greta February 24 2006
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: GRETA ~~ Feb 24 Transcript
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Jim Hammer, Bernie Grimm , Ted Williams
Greta:
Demeanour is always something jury looks at, your thoughts on that Jim?
Jim:
I find him one cool cat to figure out his story after 9 months, there's some things completely surprising,... this shoe story is one of those gotcha moments...he says I already got in the car, we were headed home that's why I couldnt get them That's a total lie, one of the ticking time bombs in this case, he doesn't have a good answer. Very powerful to hear that lie
Bernie:
Not only did he leave the shoes on the beach, to do the interview he left his brain on the beach..it jumped out at me,...I couldn't get my shoes because I was leaving..one could reasonably infer it was a panic...he'd sexually assault her t a minimum, she'd been drinking and was falling asleep, it's alcohol intoxication
Greta:
He says she's not drunk she's able to make decisions, that in and of itself doesn't get an indictment on this
Bernie;
I've seen prosecutors get indictments with less than this, he says she's falling asleep, I don't think she can make a decisions to have sex
Ted:
I would love to believe there was sufficient amount of evidence to get an indictment, I don't believe there is. There is something very interesting, Joran says that Natalee called her mother Hitler's sister. Then he says that one of her friends had told the police the same things. We've been wondering if the police been in the same bedroom with Joran and his family. How does Joran know what's going on inside the investigation
Greta:
One of the techniques is to say so and so said something, he may have been shown statements of other people as a ploy
Ted;
The words Hitler's sister is rather collaterla to other aspects of this ivnestigaion. These shoes are very imporatnt, you dont' go to the beach with a woman and leave your shores and go home, that doesn't happen
Jim:
I was expecting to have nothing in this interview, he said Natalee was coming on to him, we can talk to other witnesses to see if he's lying. His plan was going to his house to have sex with Natalee, he changed his mind b/c his father and brother are there...if that isn't a lie, it's so obviously a lie. If you put it together with what JQK says, Joran has ALE and FBI reports and everything and still can't get it believable
Greta:
You may not like his statements, but is there enough there to convict him
Jim:
No, but if you can prove he's lying..
Ted;
The guy has been lying throughout, one of the things that's interesting is that the Kalpoe brothers & him met on a daily basis to get their lies together, where were the authorities, did they take their clothes, physical evidence
Greta:
Bernie, looking at this case, it's a very emotinal one, is there a theory that is equally as powerful to you as to what happend to Natalee that doesn't include Joran
Bernie;
Yes, suggestion is that Joran goes home, the Kalpoes know that she's alone on the beach, and Chris tried to go through this route, do you think the Kalpoes knew she was down there, that's a possible scenario consistent with his innocence. I don't know if he did anything, other networks keep referring to him giving her a date rape drug, Ecstacy
Greta:
He denies that and nobody has come forward to corroborate that
Bernie;
Xtacy is not a date rape drug it's an aphrodisiac , it's unfair to him to refer to Ecstacy used by him as a date rape drug.
Jim: I don't know if he did it, if I was to argue the other side, weird thing is the night she disappeared,, I believe she was murdered, he's surfing for porn, checking soccer scores, if you've committed a murder and you're surfing for porn and not panicking, he's acting like he's just had a date, everything is normal. A guy who's just committed a murder isn't going to be doing something like that.
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Greta:
Last night I missed PrimeTime but read transcripts, I thought it was interesting that Deepak seems unaccounted for, Satish brought him home, he e-mailed Deepak. I'd like to interview Deepak
Ted;
I would love you to interview Deepak, there are a lot of Questions that have gone unanswered in this case, to be very candid, it could very well be like Bernie said, he got home e-mailed Deepak, said he left her on the beach..for sure the lawsuit talks about there was some date rape drug that was used on 3 separate occasions on other young laddies. If those lawyers put out that info and it's not accurrate and they don't have proof of it, they're looking at some serious ....
Greta:
Satish according to Joran drove him home. When I was in Aruba, I heard Deepak loved his car, nobody drives his car, it's so bizarre, where is Deepak why won't Joran say
Bernie:
D & S are inseparable, they're always together all the time.Between the brothers, one is protecting the other, My feeling is those brothers are together and Satish is not driving Deepak's car, Deepak, he's possessive about his car.
Greta:
Let's say that he got a ride home Satish driving, why would he have to e-mail Deepak later to tell him he was home if Deepak was in the car
Bernie:
Makes ho sense to e-mail him although that goes back to Jim's point if he'd just committed a murder, he's looking at porn it's a little unusual, he's a cool customer but he'd be covering his tracks maybe
Greta:
Unless he's covering for a friend. Jim..?
Jim:
If you can turn back time, I have to say it at the start of the case, if they'd been held separately and interrogated. I'll tell you that's when they would have got the straight story out of them..once they had 10 dayas to get lies together, that's when they lost this case
Greta:
We haven't heard from Deepak or Satish
Jim:
I'm very suspicious of those other two guys, I don't know if Joran is a killer or not, it could have been all of them or the two brothers alone..somebody knows something and they're lying to hide it, the other two should come forward and give you an interview Greta
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The Big Story February 25 2006
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:
It never ends. The Big Story FNC Feb 25 17:00
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Mercedes Colwin and Paul ____ (there I go again)
Julie Banderas:
Joran van der Sloot tells quite a tale about the night he spent with Natalee Holloway. His interview was meant to help him in the court of public opinion, but will that help him or hurt him.
Most ppl have made up their minds whether Joran had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance, what's he doing in american giving interviews?
Mercedes:
It's incredibly foolish, I don't know who's idea it was...coming fwd and speaking in the US was extraordinarily foolish. It still doesn't make him a murderer, the biggest issue is corpus delecti. As long as there is no body, we don't know if she's dead or alive, how she may have died
Julie:
He did tell Greta, he did have sex with Natalee..I want to get the truth out, how are we suppsoed to have the truth when he's continuously lying?
Paul
My friend says corpus delecti but I say habeus corpus, this guy is on his way to jail if he keeps talking, he's on the verge of convicting himself, he's lied so many times, it's starting to look like a circumstantial case that's enough to arrest him for murder
Julie:
Let's say I'm going to say, frankly she was left at the beach, what if someone came after he left, what if she went swimming and drowned..certainly enough to raise the bar, and reasonable doubt
Julie:
He left his shoes on the beach, that just doesn't seem right
Paul:
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