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Nancy Grace January 24 2006
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:35 pm Post subject: Nancy Grace Jan 24
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Pat LaLama:
New searches, new equipment to go deeper in the ocean, cadaver dogs, ALE has come to america to interview 21 people
Nancy:
Why is ALE only getting to the US nearly a year later and don't tell me it's because of red tape
Lalama:
There's pressure being put on this government to get this done....
Nancy:
Why finally, are they coming to Alabama to question these kids
Beth:
I wish I could answer that Nancy, best I can tell they've always said there's holes in the students statments; from what I'm hearing this will lay the foundation to go further and go after these 3 suspects.
Nancy:
What have Natalee's friends told you
Beth:
Nothing different today than July 29 the first time I came home, they were forthcoming, I don't think that the students neglected to give the authorities anything, the authorites may have negelected to get something from them...they always wanted to co-operate
We knew it was real chaotic when they left C&C, they were climbing into cars...I know they had been drinking, we already knew full well the condiotn Natalee was in when she left, J2K's flipped her out of C&C's into the back of that car, she had no idea she was getting into the car with J2K's
Nancy:
The cabs look like regualr cars right?
Beth:
Absolutely, .....just unmarked.
Nancy:
There is something Joran could do now, haven't police invited him and the Kalpoes back in to be re-interviewed?
Beth:
Can you believe the word invitation, these men are suspects, they can be re-interrogated at any time, it's not by invitation, they've had new evidence brought forward
Everyone knew when the tape came out, they claimed it was manipulated, and that's just not true. Also, their timelines have been destroyed, Aruba chose to ignore that too
Nancy:
Jason Oceans, aruban gov't makes it sound like it was an engraved invitation they gave these boys
Jason:
From the perspective of the family we'd like the aruban governemnt to be focused and not so soft on their citizens.....
Nancy:
Harold Copus, a lot is being discussed about the 3 being re-questioned, they have refused. Explain what the new evidence is to base the re-questioning
Harold:
I don't know we can tell, they've had information for a long time, they've failed to act on it... they should have told them, let's talk to you one more time and you cannot escape the hardball questions that need to be asked.
Nancy:
Joining me is Dave Holloway; where is Joran right now Dave?
Dave:
Holland going to college.
Nancy:
What's your reaction that they refused to come in, and authorities said ok, never mind.
Dave:
The pros was told not to talk to the press, .... we called the prosecutor and she told us that was all wrong, they couldn't be brought in, they needed to be invited
Nancy:
It may be like here in the US, once someone is identified as a suspect they do have a right to remain sient. What can you tell us about a new search
Beth:
From what I understood there were 1 or 2 witnesses that have come forward with new information, friends of Joran, I think this is what warranted a search of the sand dunes
Nancy:
Almost a year later, bringing cadaver dogs, what good is that?
Harold:
If they actually find a body or skeletal remains in the dunes, the dogs will alert on that. Those dogs weren't used properly initially
Nancy:
Pat Lalama, they're going to be additional searches in the ocean
Pat:
Couple of miles off the coast, depths of 600 to 800 feet, this goes with a rumour, I hate to give it more substance than that, a fisherman discovered there was a net, a knife and a fish trap missing...
Nancy:
Beth, when you hear the discussion about bodies, being buried deep on the ocean floor, how do you keep going
Beth:
Oh Nancy, we want justice and we have to recognize the fact that this crime has been committed, we know the perpetrators, we just have to keep going b/c the only way we will get justice is to keep going.
Nancy:
Stunning new developments in the Natalee case ...... Aruban authorities are travelling to the US to question many of the young students with..why now, what is the new evidence, not only that but according to a tip they're doing new searches?
Beth, are you encouraged, where do you think this is going
Beth:
I always have to remain guarded, after December what Steve Cohen put the family through. He's a spokesperson representing Aruba for their tourism It was absolutely inhumane about these re-interrogations, I just can't do it again
Nancy:
have you been burned in effigy
Beth:
I don't know how much they think we can take
Nancy:
"Any drink can be served in a yard" That's encouraging...to Dave, the atomsphere that night, all these kids had something to drink, they all remember her leaving with Joran, there's no question she got in the back seat with him
Dave:
Joran and Natalee in the back...no question about that
Nancy:
Dave you and Beth feel firmly that there has been a coverup ...
Dave:
Early on I met with Paul, he mentioned a MB student, I don't know why or what, maybe the police are looking into that.
Nancy:
The police are going to try to blame a MB student?
Dave:
I've got news for them, everytime they go out on a limb, it always breaks and it always points back to the 3 suspects.
Nancy:
We are not giving up, why are there new searches, new facilities being used, why are the classmates being re-questioned.
Beth, do you get the sense that investigators are trying to tie up loose ends so they can press charges.
Beth:
I have to believe that, why would you subject 21 of these young adults to this all over again, to re-open old wounds....I believe they will charge these suspects
Nancy:
Have they indicated that to you or ...
Beth:
I can't imagine subjecting these youngs aduls to this, 8 months later, don't do this for no reason, they have to be laying the foundation to move forward with charges.
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Greta January 24 2006
Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: Greta January 24
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
John Kelly:
21 of the girls are being questioned, ALE is asking the questions, FBI in the room, each girl entitled to counsel if she wishes
It won't lead to anything, there's no issue about who Natalee was with, it doesn't matter if she had 2 3 or 4 drinks, she was with those guys, they know what hapepned and the girls won't be able to tell us what happened.
FBI talked to them by phone, ALE have been talking for 8 months they wanted to do this.
Greta:
ALE asked for months and months, was something standing in their way, hurdles to get the interviews?
Kelly:
Not at all, they were sending questions to the FBI to review ....
Greta:
Are you getting info from ALE or the Prosecution?
Kelly:
I have good relationship with Karin She calls me, I wouldn't say it's a lot of info, there's not much to convey, lot of it is confidential, I'll be spending a lot of time with her next week
Greta:
Based on what you know, are you confident that this case will be solved.
Kelly:
No. I think there's better than 50 /50 it will be solved, but I don't feel definitely it will be solved. I dont' think there'll be a prosecution, I don't have that level of confidence.
Greta:
There's no such a thing as a perfect crime...do you think they've done everything they can to investigate this case?
Kelly:
I think they're doing things now, I don't think questioning the girls will be fertile ground...the best opportunity was in the 1st 10 days. It's much more difficult now
Greta:
Hearing coming up with Paul seeking damages for his arrest. you've asked to be present....now you've got a letter in response..you sent to
Kelly:
the COurt of Appeals...
January 20, forwarded to Judge of First Instance.
Greta:
They passed it on...so now it's someoby else's problem
Greta:
It's not an open proceeding I guess
Kelly:
Apparently not,there's no reason for it to be confidential, they should want to validate everything by having people know what's oging on.
Greta:
Aruban police want to talk to the teenagers, we caught up to friends in Alabama last summer (Plays interview with FEB and 2 other girls)
Greta:
Dave, have you had a chance in the last 8 months to talk to Natalee's friends.
Dave:
I talked to some of the guys. One of the guys indicated that Natalee came out of the bar, talking with her friends, she suddenly became confused as if she was looking for someone and went back in the bar and after awhile Deepak was escorting her out of the bar
I talked to the detective, we talked about GHB, he told me it could be put in a drink, takes effectt in 15 minutes, we don't know if that happened.
Greta:
Was it something they talked about with regard to C&C, is it unusal or usual there?
Dave
Detective told me it was very prevalent
Greta:
Did you hear about it in connection with J2K's, were they in any way involved in that culture.
Dave:
No, it's only speculation
Greta:
ALE are in the US, interviewing the 21 friends
Dave;
Encouraging, they mentioned it for 6 months, they would be remiss if they didn't come
Greta:
Any questions you anticiapte they'll be asking
Dave:
Plugging holes, Paul was pointing fingers at possible other suspects, the police were aware of some of the individuals he named, but they closed those gaps
Greta:
Do you get the sense, that this will be solved
Dave:
I'm not getting any indications from Pros and ALe, how can 3 kids get away with this, you got to hold out they know something they're not telling us
Greta:
Robin said she spoke to Karin, she said it would happen by the end of January, it's January 24, do you know what Karin meant by that?
Dave:
No idea, she had indicated that possibly something would happen, we've been on this roller coaster ride before.
Jim Hammer, Jeff Brown, Bernie Grimm, Ted Williams
Greta:
Ted what do you think, they're in this country ...
Ted:
I watched and heard you talking to Kelly, they want to re-interview
them, they might or might not be able to come up with something.
It's not going to bring about anything that will lead to an arrest.
Even in cold cases you go back and revisit, they need to talk to
all the kids, they need to determine if she was involved with any other teenagers on this island.
Jim:
Natalee's state of intoxication is what they'll ask about, to prove this notion of rape...if these girls lied to save their reputations,...that could lay the foundation to corroborate what Joran said about having sex with her repeatedly as she's going in and out of consciousness.
Jeff:
I'd want to know if she was intoxicated. there have been so many statements from these girls, they may say she was intoxicated but it wouldn't get you any where near a courtroom door.
Bernie:
When you're dealing with natalee's friends, who were over protective of her..it might be as good as we get that we have a sexual assualt case, possible homicide, van der Sloot statements you can prove.
Jeff:
The statements alone aren't going to get you there, she left the bar with them, it won't get you to a rape case, it's just not enough
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Dan Abrams January 25 2006
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject:
Abrams Report January 25
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Dan:
Michelle Kazinski, what do you know?
today, ALE confirmed that there is new information...new info that they feel strongly about the lighthouse on the island, as they put it a potential burial sight. WIthin the next week or two they will have a full FBI cadaver team along with Dutch specialists in those dunes.
They can't go into details about it. New info they say comes into the case at a surprising rate, they get about 100 tips a week, 10% is interesting to the case.
Dan:
We've had a lot of instances where we've heard about what seems like major developments, gone into certain areas, digging etc is there something about this they feel is different than anything before?
Michelle:
Nobody is calling it major, but they feel good about it, ALE have travelled the the US to interview some of her friends...these kids have been interviewd by the FBI, ALE told us they didn't have the benefit of this new info, that's why they're back there...they're focusing on a certain group of kids but we know that they're not Natalee's closest friends. We talked to the parents of one of Natalee's closest friends, and she's not been contacted about being questioned.
Dan:
I want to bring in Dave on the phone. But first, Clint VZ...Clint, the fact that authorities are saying they have info that this could be possible burial site of Natalee, how could they have gotten this info from talking to ppl in alabama?
CLint:
All we know that links Alabama to the burial site, when Natalee was taken away from the bar, it was under the prextext of showing her the lighthouse. When I was in Aruba, we were in that lighthouse area, we saw the dunes being searched, we saw cadaver dogs in that area. Right now, they've been through that area before, somehow maybe they got specific information that will take them to a different dune.
Dan:
Each and every one of these developoments is difficult...did you know anything about this particular one?
Dave:
I heard that they'd been around the dunes, but anything about specifics no..
I searched the sand dunes early on with a bunch of tourists, I saw on tv about a week ago that they had 60 policemen out there as well. When the cadaver dogs were out there, they had a steady wind and it's very difficult to get a good scent in the wind, if they miss something it's because ot he wind. I hope the FBI can go back and conclude this case
Dan:
Michelle, why not go immediately?
Michelle:
They say everything takes time...about the students, that idea came up in the last few months. It was a bureaucracy to get special clearance to come to the US. clearances from certain officials...
Dan:
Clint, is that the case, that it takes that long
Clint:
No, the FBI can move quick if they want to. These cadaver dogs are not necessarily FBI dogs...they pay to fly them over there but the bureau has always said we will give you anything you need to solve this case.
Dan:
Gerold Dompig is the Deputy Police Chief ...he explained why they needed these additional interviews with Natalee's friends in Alabama.
(Plays Dompig interview...)
Dan:
Dave are you pleased with the Aruban authorities being in Alabama?
Dave:
They've been wanting to come to Alabama for the last 6 months. They are trying to paint the full picture, the state of mind of the students and Natalee when she left with the three guys.
Dan:
COUple of hours ago we spoke to beth and John Kelly
Beth:
It's hard to sort through it all, when Im listening to things that happened over 8 months. How the FBI is allowing ALE to conduct interviews, presented even in English, it's amazing for the FBI when in Aruba that they weren't allowed in the interrogation room and it was all in Dutch, we were at such a disadvantage.
Dan;
You made a comment in October, about student statements. Has your view changed....they have all the statements they need...they just need to look at them, they don't need to advertise for the students to come forward again ....
Beth:
I do feel that way, but if the aruban authorites feel they need additional info to fill in holes, so be it. What everyone is saying is that US is accommodating them, even setting up the interviews ...we don't want Aruba to come back on us that we failed and didn't facilitate things.
Dan:
Has your relationshp gotten better with ALE and the Prosecution?
Beth:
One thing I'm grateful for is John Q Kelly. I've turned that over to him. He's the primary source of getting communication from PRos and Police. I didn't do very well at that.
Dan:
Has the relationship with Aruba improved John ...
John:
I think there was a line drawn in the sand in August. I went down there, I agreed to help Beth, I met with Dompig and we've been in constant telephone contact..I'll be going down there soon to meet with Dompig and Janssen....there are some things of value to share with them...
Dan:
Beth, have you made any efforts to contact or confront the 3 suspects any further?
Beth:
Oh No, those days are over, I think I did what I could on the island, I don't regret anything I did, I wish I could hve had more contact with them..I had questions, they had info and I was desperate
Dan:
You have a son, are we able to talk about that if it doesn't make you too uncomfortable .... are you ok with that?
Beth:
I am, Matt is almost 18 years old, he's doing well. SOme ppl deal with things differently, he is doing good we just have to get through it and hang in there.
Dan:
Has all the attention been hard for him
Beth:
No, he's been so supportive of all my effortst in this investigation, he knows we need to continue, I don't think anything has changed in his life Dan.
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Rita Cosby January 25 2006
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject:
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Rita:
New info is linked to the questioning of natalee's friends. Michelle?
Michelle Kozinski:
ALE confirm they have new info; new info that makes them feel strongly about the area of the lighthouse as a burial site. In the next week or two they want a full FBI crew of cadaver dog on the island
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Her friends were interviewed earlier by the FBI but they didn't have this latest information. In MB, ppl seem to know each other very well, it's left a kind of an emptiness. Questioning stirs up some bad feelings with the girls, they've had time to settle down, but they'll do anything to help Beth.
Arubans say they feel good about this new information and it may help to build a case against the 3 suspects.
Rita:
How long will they be in US
Michelle:
About a week, FBI confirm they should be out of the states by Friday. Nobody could give us numbers to be interviewed but some have said about 20.
Rita:
We've learned exclusively some of the questions they're asking
Alabama students on the trip what they were doing at C&C
Recognition of new aruban names
Description of C&C patrons
Examining photos of C&C patrons
Joining us is John Kelly, Jossy Mansur
Jossy, what do you make of this line of questioning
Jossy:
They selected the 20 candidates when they went over the questions the FBI asked...they found some declarations interesting and wanted to follow up on some things
Rita:
There's something connecting the tips to the lighhouse and dunes. What was the original tip to the lighthouse and dunes
Jossy:
The police were busy talking to many friends of Joran, one of them gave them some very reliable info that they've been acting on, that's why they were looking at the dunes.
The police went to all these friends of Joran, and found quite a few answers that interested them.
Rita:
That's also what's leading them to question the girls about C&C
Jossy:
When they checked the declarations they gave to the FBI they zeroed in on certain things
Rita:
Are they looking at other nights, not just the night she went missing
Jossy:
Yes, for example it's been known that the night before she was seen at the Excelsior and Joran was present. They want to find out what is speculation and what is fact, whether she was forced into the car or went willingly
Rita:
We have some of the questions they're going to be asked, what do you make of them John?
John:
APpears they are trying to eliminate other potential suspsects, if they're giving descriptions, showing photos, it's to try to determine if there was anyone else
They've always indicated we shouldn't always be focused on the 3 guys, I want to be very careful I'm supportive of ALE I'm glad they're asking certain things, quite frankly as of 2 months ago, they planned to search the sand dunes with cadaver dogs and also to interview the MB girls, it's not all knew fresh info, this was planned long ago.
Rita:
What about the search at the dunes, in the last few days there's some activity
John:
It's been planned for awhile, they're using metal probes, they want to bring the cadaver dogs
Rita:
ANy ideas when the dogs arrive
John:
Within the next week, they've been there with the helicopter to turn over the sand.....
Rita:
Janssen has made a pledge she will be releasing something by the end of this month
Jossy:
We are aware of that, she has a lot of important info to release by end of month
I'm sure she's convinced they were released too soon, she produced a very strong case to the judge.
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Greta January 25 2006
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject:
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Greta:
Moving beyond Alabama to neighbouring states; Jug Twitty joins us from Birmingham. Any idea what States are involved?
Jug:
I'm not sure, 4 states I think
Greta:
We're told that 21 students are being interviewed, is that what you hear?
Jug:
That's correct
Jug:
Have you had a chance to talk to them or has Beth talked to them?
Jug:
I haven't, I promise you that whatever ALE has asked them, they're co-operating. It's overdue for them to come over here to do this investigation, everybody is happy to be co-operating
Greta:
Did anybody drag their feet, why weren't we having this conversation last jUly or June even
Jug:
Great question, this should have ben done 8 months ago, I don't know why they didn't come 2 weeks after Beth and I went down there to find out what was going on...the MB kids were so interested in what happened and..they would have flown back to Aruba to answer questions if they were asked
Greta:
ANy of them go back to help with the searches?
Jug:
No
I talked to a lot fo Natalee's friends, they told us about it, they're very open, they're not trying to hide anything, they'll do antyhing the FBI aske them, it goes back, you need to go back and ask the 3 ppl who are involved, 4 ppl, ask them the same questions. They should be as open as the MB kids are...J2K's and Paul they won't answer any questions,
Greta:
What is your sense about this trip, is it a good faith effort or just show
Jug:
It's a good faith effort, I just wish it was done a lot earlier. I hope they rule out everything, they can ask anything, the questions will be answered and they should go back and make the decision to go back there and arrest the ppl we think are involved or end the case.
Greta:
We've talked many times, I can hear the increasing frustration in your voice, is it at an all time high...
Jug:
Hope it's going to be resolved, this week has been unbelievable, Beth bless her heart, I'm here tonight to support Beth, she's a very strong woman, every woman in the US wishes she had the strength of Beth. She's going to find an answer one way or the other. It's good everybody is talking about this, TIm Miller is going back, John Kelly is helping us. I'm thankful that there's renewed interest, and finally Aruba is stepping up and helping us
Greta:
What are you and Beth saying to each other in private?
Jug:
We pray together, we talk about it, it's tough she's travelled all over, I had my business, continued to try to focus on that, Beth is a determined woman, I love her to death. I hope something will come out of this, they can ask any questions. I hope they go back and do something about it, Beth is determined and I know she will spend the rest of her life travelling across the country to every high school and every open forum giving her message.
Greta:
The pain is immeasurable on the family
Jug:
Absolutely, it's hard to describe, we need some closure, we need help from Aruba, the answers are there not in the US I appreciate them coming here and so does Beth.
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Greta January 26 2006
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: Greta January 26 TRANSCRIPT
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
I didn't do a very good job tonight I don't think. Everybody was talking a mile a minute but, in any event, here you are:
Greta:
There's new info about the questions ALE is asking Natalee's friends. Beth, any idea, we heard earlier there are 21 students to be interviewed. Do you know how many have been questioned so far?
Beth:
No idea, I heard 21 students. As far as how many they are doing per day or how many they've done so far, I have no idea.
Greta:
You've spoken to some of the parents, what have they told you they're asking the students?
Beth:
I heard info from reporters what they were being asked, my understanding is they were questioned, pretty much same as on the news, names that sounded familiar, photos, I hope it's not meaningless, I hope they're closing in holes and going after the suspects.
Greta:
Who do the photos depict?
Beth:
I'm not certain, it's been reported to me that it's a series of photos, I just don't know that.
Greta:
It doesn't sound like you have much information
Beth:
I really didn't expect to be brought in on this, but of course we've been left out of the loop on everything else, so... I just can't imagine that the students have to relive this, I hope it's warranted.
Greta:
Aren't you curious to pick up the phone and ask what's going on?
Beth:
I just know the students have so much on their minds, getting ready for the FBI and ALE, I don't want to become involved in that
Greta;
When was the last time you spoke to somebody associated with ALE or Prosecution
Beth:
In August, end of august was the last time I had any face to face with anybody. I tried several times since then
Greta:
Kelly is able to get phone calls and communication isn't he?
Beth:
Yes, absolutely I probably should have enlisted his help earlier, but I'm glad that I did when I did
Greta:
has he said anything that gives you hope
Beth:
No, he's really cautioning me, I think that he knows ..December was truly a nightmare I don't want to go there again, although things are headed in the direction of going after the suspects, I don't think it's going to happen.
Greta:
I understand that the FBI is lending Aruba cadaver dogs to search the beach
Beth:
That's what I've heard, something may take place in the next week
Greta:
ANy tips leading them to take the dogs to a particular area.
Beth:
The two witnesses that came forward must have some information to warrant this....
Greta:
Jeff Brown what if anything would you want to ask these students?
Jeff:
Sounds like they're showing photos and asking about names, seems they have other suspects in mind. Sounds like they're moving the investigation off in another direction.....sounds to me like another direction, maybe other suspects
Greta:
Sounds like they're exceedingly thorough or they're completely lost, I can't decide which
Jim Hammer:
If Jeff is right, they're completely lost.....I suspect, I hope they're being thorough. SOMeone had mentioned that Karin expected arrests at the end of January. The Prosecutor may be bringing this rape charge. I'm a chorus of one on that but I think that's where they're going
Ted:
Ever since the case began
Great:
about 60 years ago
Ted;
They're not closer, they're stumbling and bumbling...
They have to do this, I think they need to find out about any inconsistencies with these students
Bernie:
Just looking at all the photos at the lighthouse, they either have some info that jump started this investigation or ... I can't ever go back to Beth and tell her we're done. I'll sing a duet with you Jim with the sexual assault, we need one piece of evidence to corroborate a confession then that rape charge will go.
Ted:
If there's, ppl have sex when they're high and drunk all the time and there's not a rape.
Jim:
Joran confessed to having sex when she's passing out, it's been widely reported, .....
Greta:
I don't get it about hurry up and wait, they got a tip 2 weeks ago and they're still waiting on cadaver dogs.
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The Lineup January 28 2006
Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: The LineUp January 28 TRANSCRIPT
Julie:
Investigators are finally in the US, you've been pushing for this for so long, certainly were the questions not asked properly in the beginning that they're having to question these students again?
Brth
They should have done this months ago, within the first few days. They just can't contribute that much more, filling in holes, I just hate that they're just bringing this up 8 months later, I don't know what it can accomplish.
Julie'
They're talking to 21 girls, do you know what they're asking, have you heard form any of her friends
Beth:
All I heard was what was reported a few days ago, if names sounded familiar, showing them a series of photos, I haven't heard anything else.
Julie:
Showing them patrons at C&C, is it the first time ALE is coming out with these photos?
Beth:
I haven't heard any of the responses to this, I heard they were looking at a series of photos, I don't know who they might be
Julie
You travelled to Houston to meet with Tim Miller, is there any news about the searches on Aruba
Beth:
We got bad news, it's not going to happen for the cadaver daogs to come in from the FBI, I don't know what the holdup is with ALE, it's imperative that he bring in the ground penetrating radar...the conditions there are difficult there with the wind ...
Julie:
We've had forensic pathologists saying that cadaver does are useless if something is buried deep in the sand
Beth:
Tim Miller and I were together yesterday, we heard info that they may not be coming with the cadaver dosg. WE're leaning towards the ground penetrating radar..
Julie:
It makes you wonder if they have something new if they're questioning the students again
Beth:
When we first heard they wanted to question the students , they were leading us to believe that they wanted to fill in some holes, firm up the foundation in order to charge the sduspects, I hope that that's why they're interviewing. I'm concerned about the questions I heard they were asking that they're looking for new suspects.
Julie:
The search for this fish trap....what is Tim doing with that
Beth:
He is trying to co-ordinate with Jim WHittaker for some equipment, he's really never been able to rule out the water area, it's taking a lot of time to get the resources.
Julie:
With natalee's friends, you can't talk to Deepak or Joran but you can talk to her friends, they did see her, do you think they were all drinking, perhaps alcohol played a role and they have fuzzy memories
Beth:
Everytone has been forthcmong, they were there and of legal age, everyone knows the condition Natalee was in when the suspects took her, it will be hard to put the pieces togethter, I trust her friends will do the best they can. I just don't think they're going to contribute that much, they already have it, we're just waiting for ALE to do it.
Julie
Aruban police are going to question Natalee's friends...we're joined with David Schwartz, Stacy Honowitz and Rod Wheeler. Is it too little too late to be coming to talk to her friends 8 months later
Stacy:
Certainly hearing about the investigation, we've seen it unfolding, it's never too late in a murder investigation, I think you always have to have hope that there's information. Beth seems to think they have other suspects in mind, maybe there is some information they need to go over.
Julie:
David too little?
David:
We have them in Aruba a few days after she went missing, we're going to let them go home to US and 8 months later we're going to go to their college campuses to interview them..this is the most pitiful investigation I've ever seen...it is ridiculous, they're just putting on a show.
Stacy:
They let those students go, but you can't give up hope The investigation was lousy but you can't stop them now
Julie:
It was botched at the beginning. The investigators let 2 weeks go by, how many witnesses were there that they let go ....
Wheeler:
Just as Stacy indicated homicide cases can take years before they're solved, going back and trying to identify everyone at C&C, let me just tell you to re-interview them, they gave statements 8 months ago, they've forgotten what they said, re-interviewing them will see if they're consistenet.
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject:
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Rita:
The Holloway attorney met with Aruban police chief today as well as the Prosecutor, they will meet again tomorrow.
ALE won't share with the FBI who tipped them off about the sand dunes...
How outraged are you Beth that ALE won't tell FBI who tipped them off
Beth:
It's just, I just don't get it , why won't they tell them, how explosive are these witnesses that came forward, these sand dunes they attempted this search 2 weeks ago, they can't do it without help, for the life of me I don't know why they won't tell the FBI who tipped them
Rita:
We talked to Jossy, we asked him what the tips is
Jossy:
In the last month the police are busy talking with Joran's friends, one of them gave them reliable tips, that's why they're searching the dunes.
Rita:
ANy indication how credible this tip was ...Arubans send us messages about this all the time
Beth:
Really nothing other than, I just can't imagine, it seems to be a push towards the sand dunes, there must be something credible, maybe somebody has come forward for the $250,000 I don't know why they don't move forward on this.
Rita:
It's outrageous. Your attorney John Kelly is in Aruba, he met with Dompig and the Prosecution, how did that go, he will meet with them again tomorrow right?
Beth:
It went well, I don't know what was discussed, I'm just grateful that he's able to get in there, so someone from the US knows what's going on
Rita:
Is it positive, Dompig said the 3 boys are guilty as hell, that he just had to prove it ....
Beth:
John Kelly didn't give me any details of what they discussed, I'm sure he obtained some information that he can't disclose.
Rita:
Tim, the cadaver dogs, the FBI said they're not sending the dogs since they're not being told any information about the tip
Tim:
I don't know if they're that tcritical anyway to tell you the truth, there are other things we can do, we've got proven cadaver dogs of our own, we don't need to know where the lead came from...in 3 or 4 days we could find something or clear it.
I'm going to be back in Aruba in 2 weeks, we're going to be doing stuff in the water. IF the dunes haven't been searched we'll bring the ground penetrating radar and we'll bring the dogs too. We're volunteers, we'll go...our offer stands, one thing is a promise we'll be back in 2 weeks. It just upsets me more and more about not sharing information, I don't even know if we need those ppl in ARuba anymore
Rita:
It seems preposterous they're not sharing with the feds...it's another blockade
Tim:
There's always another excuse
Beth:
I just can't imagine, a country behaving this way. Who in their right mind can send their loved ones there, when they're acting like this
Rita:
Paul van der Sloot was in court today, but your attorney was not allowed to be present in the Courtroom
Beth:
That's another frustrating thing, there's no reason John Kelly had to be denied being in that hearing, the Judge or Paul have set that forward...it's just everything is just so underhanded to me, if it was up front, if they didn't have something to hide they would have allowed him in
Rita;
They're just shutting out the US, your attorney and you at every turn.
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Nancy Grace February 1 2006
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: Nancy Grace Feb 1 TRANSCRIPT
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Aruban investigators rap up questioning of Natalee's friends today. Is there a break in the case....
Beth: (From taped interview)
I still remain optimistic, it's hard to do it, but what else do we have but to rely on the aruban legal system...
Nancy:
ALE has left the US and gone back home, are they empty handed, is it too little too late
Pat Lalama:
17 of the 21 were interviewed, all of that was based on looking at previous interviews. We don't know what was told, if there was anything new. Search will continue in the sand dunes and the ocean
They will look at infra red pictures from the F16's and they will bring in cadaver dogs
Nancy:
I believe this is where they should focus their investigation.
Plays portion of Joran interview with ACA
..... one day I will explain exactly what happen, but right now I don't feel ready to do that.....
Nancy:
Joran, what you can do is co-operate with police. Jossy, tell me this F16 infrared, what did they find with that
Jossy:
They were going to use it on the , the Noord side of the island by the lighthouse, they have some additional info from 1 or 2 witnesses that came forward that gave them some kind of lead that they are concentrating on that part of the beach
Nancy:
Great to see you Beth, all along didn't Joran and the Kalpoes say she went toward the lighthouse
Beth:
Oh yes Nancy, in his early statements Joran said that the Kalpoes and him took her there.
Nancy:
What's new then, why are they just now searching the dunes
Beth:
I just can't imagine, that sound byte is just perfect b/c he's saying dropped, sexual and rape..there's no way there can be those 3 in the same sentence, why they couldn't get Joran, if they'd used the proper kind of interrogators they could have got something...trying to get something on infrared...they've chosen to do everything the hard way.
The first time they did it, nothing turned up in the beginning of June, the infrared, I never heard back any reports from the F16's I didn't know what they could pick up anyway with that
Nancy:
What do you make of it all Dave Holloway
Dave
I spoke to the FBI, questioning Natalee's friends was to clear up some holes, as you recall all the MB kids left the same morning and they didn't have opportunity to speak with them. They saw some things on the internet that may have been different that what they'd previously said....
Nancy:
John ??? from the Houston Bureau, is it too little too late, to get studnets to clear up an inconcistency a year later.
John:
Theres's been a lot of...at least they made the effort to come over here, I spoke to the FBI we facilitated and assisted them, they might be able to generate some info, find some holes
Nancy:
Psychiatrist, Dr. Lisa Weinstock, it seems to me from studying the statistics that the tourism in Aruba has gone up...70% of that tourism is american...do these people need a shrink...when you learn about this horrific incident how do you keep going back to Aruba ....
Weinstock:
May be some aren't paying attention to the news, some don't blame aruban authorities...I was actually in Puerto Rico...a man I met there said he was going every year to Aruba, but not anymore...
Nancy:
Lisa, what do you say to parents, that have lost someone the way these parents have lost Natalee, had the whole investigation laid in their lap, they are basically conducting the investigation themselves.
Lisa:
You can give them kudos for their strength...nobody can understand...all you can do is encourage them to fight the good fight, do what they can in the face of others not doing their job.
Nancy:
...now dogs, specially trained dogs are being brought from overseas to search aruba, at this juncture....???
John:
The longer they search the more expectation they might find something, the longer it goes on the greater the chance. Cadaver dogs are trained to find such things, I hope they will do this and more and continue until they find answers.
Nancy:
The area is large, remember the search of the dump, the draining of the pond, who will be conducting this search I wonder?
Jossy:
A group of policemen, students to become police and friends that put together a group.
Nancy:
Pat Lalama what can you tell us about the search
Pat;
They will check the area with the dogs, they are talking about deep sea equipment, get way down there with the equipment, as far as I know they haven't been able to do this so far
Nancy:
What tip or information led to this decision to search the dunes
Beth:
I think it's always been a suspicious area from early on, even in Joran's statements, there must be something, these 2 witnesses must be credible if they are going to pull this together with the Dutch Forensic Institute in Holland (What the heck is Twitty talking about?)
I'm not sure, I heard there were 1 or 2 witnesses, that was reported to me.
Nancy:
I understnad that phone records have been brought foward, can they trace where these 3 were...
Beth:
That was something we were asking early on, the towers were just too close together on that piece of land, they couldn't tell what tower it was coming from.
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Greta February 1 2006
Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:
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Karin Janssen met with John Q Kelly today
Greta:
There's new info about the search for Natalee, John Q Kelly got back from Aruba today, when did you get back John?
Kelly:
I got back late last night, I was there 2 days.
Monday I spent 2 hours with Dompig and Prosecutor, 2nd day about 1.5 hours with Karin Janssen
Basically the first day we went through what they intend to do in the next couple of months. They're focused right now on search and recovery efforts. If they recover a body they could get some forensic evidence.
Greta:
Have you grown more optimistic it's going to be resolved or less optimistic
Kelly:
About the same as before, I am satisfied with the Aruban investigative team, that they're committed to making arrests, they want to solve this. Janssen is committed to a prosectuion, they are putting in the effort right now.
Greta:
haven't they searched and serached those dunes before?
Kelly:
It's truly is massive there, it goes on endlessly. They received credible, reliable fresh information they say, there's some indication from the F16 that there was something there...they will be going back there with ALE, the FBI and DFI to comb the entire area again with cadaver dogs.
Greta:
The F16's flew over in early June, if there was a sign why didn't they look then.
Kelly:
Once you locate a heat source, it's something very pinpointed....I don't put a lot of credence in that, I'll go along with it, the main thing is a credible eyewiteness account in terms of the location of a body.
Greta:
Paul was going to court to get damages, any update on that?
Kelly
February 27 is when there will be a decision, Karin made an application for me to be there that day...I'm not a big fan of van der Sloot but we'll know on February 27 if he's hit the mother lode or not.
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Greta February 6 2006
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject:
I just got home, so I think I missed the beginning of Beth's whine but here's what I got:
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..... Paulus van der Sloot is a man that I had to pull out of the bushes, like an animal
He's tied up all his loose ends, called in all his favours...I just see a man who isn't concerned about the upcoming huge search of the sand dunes...Natalee isn't in the sand dunes, there's no indication that he has anything to be concerned about.
Greta:
Do you feel differently about the mother?
Beth:
SHe is the one who has not changed, she appears to be the same person that was seated across from me that day, she's stronger now...it's Paulus that has changed drastically from when I met him in the middle of June
Greta:
What about Joran and the ....
Beth:
I think, when I hear them speak in terms like that, Paul has already tried to begin a lawsuit against the Aruban government, I don't know if he's just trying to help his case all along, I knew something would be coming up the end of February
Greta:
In the June 13 statement Joran he seems to say that he left Natalee on the beach and Deepak killed your daughter.
Beth:
I think that they all 3 of those young boys were involved, there's no way that the FBI would have come to me on June 10 and told me that there's a strong possiblity that Natalee isn't alive. They don't give me much, so when they tell me something like that I know they had something to back it up.
I'm not going to give up, I think what would help Natalee most is to get the traction of calling on senators, governors and congressmen. What we have is a missing american tourist who is the victim of a crime in a foreign country.
The panel didn't have anything of any significance to say. Just more of Greta chewing the same cabbage over and over again.
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The Lineup February 11 2006
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject: The Lineup February 11
The Lineup ~~ February 11
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Kimberley Guilfoyle
The parents of the prime suspect say he's a victim. What do Natalee's parents say?
Yes folks, they say they're the victims.
From Birmingham Beth Holloway Twitty is with us and in Meridian, Mississippi is Dave Holloway.
I know myself when I heard these statements by the van der Sloots, I was angered, it's an outrage how do you feel about it?
Beth:
When I hear Paulus, he has to keep in mind that all we have done is shared the info that Joran gave to witnesses and interrogators. Nothing more than Joran's own admissions of what he did to Natalee on that night.
Kimberley:
You aren't making up the information, they should be looking at him, everything points to him and the Kalpoe brothers...
Dave:
Paul must think we have short term memory, he met with the boys and helped them make arrangements for an alibi ... I met with him at the prison 2 or 3 weeks into this, ... I distinctly remember him saying he would do everything he could to protect his son
Kimberley:
You spent some time with them, they're sort of getting their story together now, polishing it up ...
Beth
Not only that, what concerns me is What I see is a compeltely different Paulus van der Sloot, he's much more confident, it's almost like he's moving on with his life as has Joran. He's been sworn in as an attorney with the 9 member team that represents his son...he's not a man concerned about upcoming searches.
Kimberley:
...The whole country cared for your daughter...but what have they been doing lately
Beth:
THinking about new developmetns, I really don't know if we've had much activity at all since September 1, since I left the island, We have not had any new developments or searches, how sad is that, I guess WE WERE the investigation
Kimberley:
YOu've certainly done a better job than anybody in Aruba. I've seen half attempts to interview some of Nat's friends, what else are they doing there
Dave:
They were going to search the sand dunes, they had a show out there with 60 officers poking around the sand. Tim offered his assistance to provide penetrating units....but they haven't done that yet
Kimberley:
Beth, it seems there's been a lack of co-operation when ppl want to find clues .....what is it you want to see happening there in Aruba ...
Beth:
To start with, a good organized search effort might be good, since TES left nothing has happened....ALE is proving that they're not going to do anything unless the family is there...what are they waiting for, for the life of me I can't imagine
Kimberley:
Yes and bring the people responsible to justice. We'll be with you every step of the way until there's resolution, we promise.
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Rita Cosby February 16 2006
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: RITA COSBY February 16 Transcript
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Dareh Gregorian, New York Post Court Reporter
Rita: Dareh, tell us what you know ....
Dareh:
Mainly it was a surprise, charges Joran with sexual assault and imprisoning Natalee, nothing said about what finally happened to Natalee. It holds Paul responsible because he knew his son was a bad seed and did nothing to stop him.
No monetary amount specified, but punitive damages are asked for.
Rita:
Steve Cohen and Jossy Mansur are with us. Jossy your reaction
Jossy:
It shocked the ppl or aruba, couldn't believe it. Very surprising that Joran flew to NY to do an interview and they were served. Joran with 3 counts and Paul with 1 count.
Rita:
Reading from the Court document:
"Joran is no stranger to sexual assault on young women using ecstacy as his date rape drug of choice, he prowled the island preying on female tourists ...."
Paul Reynolds:
Very happy about the developments. It's surprising that Joran and Paul came to the states, we are glad they did and gave us the opportunity to serve them with this suit.
I was not aware of this suit, Beth orchestrated it, I knew she was working on a project, I didn't know what it was, but I'm very happy
Rita:
Other ppl spoke that they are hoping this will be the big break in the case
Paul:
I think it's very important, it's a chance we've been waiting for, an opportunity to bring this into the judicial system in the US and it's amazing that they felt comfortable enough to come here, there were so many lies, Joran was the primary suspect but apparently they were feeling comfortable with the way they were being treated, this is the result.
Rita:
Steve, Larry Garrison was the one who was helping to arrange the interviews, .....
Steve:
It's surprising that they were caught in a sense by surprise, I don't think it's surprising that the H/T wanted to have their day in court with the info they feel they gathered. In terms of Aruba, there's a criminal investigation going on that Joran Paul of the Kalpoes are guilty of antying, there is an ongoing investigation, they haven't been hcarge with anything, they are fere to travel and go about their lives. It does not surpise me they wanted to go on 20/20...they've been telling their story
Rita:
Why come to the States, aren't they kindof sticking it to the family
Stege:
For all we think of Joran the faily, they'r enot ugilty of antyying, they feel the H & T is the only story that's been told...however I do think we all have to understand that Aruba is doing everyting it can to continue the investigation
Rita:
Clearely the family doesn't feel that way, on Monday thre's a hearing...Paul has filed papers to exonoted his son.
Steve:
Mr. Kelly will say this happened because of the opportunity...he had to establish jurisdiction, in terms of Aruba I don't see any change here, we have a good investigation here, our expectation is that we will conclude our case. Nobody is guilty of anything.
Rita:
In the civil suit, it says in the early hours of MOnday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleaned his silver car, that it had bad ants in it. Did you hear that?
Jossy:
We heard that, in the early morning they did a clean up of the car, neighbours testified to that,
Rita;
Paul, this suit against P and J, what's the message you want to say to the van der Sloots?
Paul Reynolds:
We're very happy they came to the States, we want the truth to come out and this is a great opportunity for the family to get more infomation, to develop information about what happened. It's a chance for the ppl of Aruba to confirm crediblity about how this investigation is going...it's a win win situation for everyone involved.
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Rita:
It really was a brilliant move when you think of 3 continents and figuring out when the parents were coming to the US as well as Joran
Colluci:
Kudos to Beth Holloway for co-ordinating and orchestrating all this.
My impression is I would serve Joran exiting the plane, I don't think it's wise to do that on the plane.
Rita:
I was told he was served on the plane.
Vito:
I would be doubtful they would serve him mid flight. There could be an altercation, the detectives should take pictures of him being served. I'm so happy for the Holloway family, it was a big mistake for the van der Sloots to come here to our home turf.
Rita:
The Scotland Yard guy was sitting a few seats away from him on the plane ...
Vito
Beth has always surrounded herself with the very best people. They've been monitoring the family, they knew what was going on...
Rita:
What about ABC, this was a big interview, how did they know they were at that hotel and to go there to serve them ..?
Vito:
I've served ppl coming off planes, I'm very surprised they didn't have a bigger team of bodyguards..there should have been a team of bodyguards around them.
They were very surpised I'm sure, they couldn't have imagined they were going to be hit with this. I'm just so happy, it's great news for the family. Maybe some progress will finally be made.
Rita:
Served in New York by americans wow. Joining me is Gloria Allred, Mickey Sherman and Anne Bremner. Gloria, do you think this lawsuit will...
GLoria:
It's very doubtful they have jurisdiction here, one of her parents is resident of Alabama, one in Mississipi, the defendants are from Aruba and The Netherlands...I don't see any jurisdiction in New York. The fact they served them in New York doesn't give them jurisdiction. They will make a Motion to Dismiss this case for lack of jurisdiction. They filed in State Court, I don't get it, this is probably a fatally flawed lawsuit the way it's filed.
Rita:
Reading Court document "Defendant Joran van der SLoot willfully caused personal injury to Natalee...
Mickey:
The world is coming to an end, I'm agreeing with everything Gloria has said.
It's a terrific treatment for a Lifetime movie, but there's no relationship to any lawsuit I've ever seen, no beef, nothing connecting the crimes to any fact...
It's about keeping this media thing alive, which makes some sense.....I understand that, but as far as a real lawsuit, it aint' going anywhere.
Under the Statute they cite, this is in the Supreme Court of NY, I think jurisdiction can be raised at any time, you have a change of venue, they served them in the US, they have a chance to turn it all around, take a deposition, can force him to testify...those jurisdictional things,,
Rita:
There is a lower standard, John Kelly made big news in OJ case...and he won so..
Mickey:
Let's remember, here the only thing is they can owe some money which will be very hard to collect. The standards are lower but the stakes are way lower too
Gloria:
You don't get to the burden of proof, to a trial if there is no jursidiction. There is no connection with New York, other than they were served there. Putting it in plain english, if it gets dismissed at the get go they won't take anybody's deposition, nobody will testify, it will have to be filed elsewhere.
Rita:
Can GLoria be wrong.
Anne Bremmer:
They had to wait for them to come to New York and they got them....
Mickey:
They came here because of the media, there's something critically ironic about that, they can get on a plane tomorrow and leave too
Rita:
It is pretty brilliant on how it went down, to orchestrate this thing wouldn't you say though
Gloria
It's only brilliant if they have a live lawsuit. It wont't go any further, the point is this is attracting a lot of attention and it will be very embarassing when it gets thrown out early on.
Anne:
Nothing ever happens for this family, if there's even a remote chance that it will survive ....
Gloria:
SYmpathy doesn't establish jurisdiction....
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Rita:
Michey, let's walk through this, what's the next step
Michey:
They will lawyer up, the lawyer will move to dismiss because of jurisdiction problems and many other problems this suit has. There wouldn't be a trial for a few years if it even proceeds beyond the initial filing
Gloria:
The motion to dismiss for lack of jurisdiciton, that would come up pretty early on, the first motion. After that if they are unsuccessful they might appeal, a civil case can take a long time.
They may have some obstacles along the way, in getting depositions, getting defendants to testify, lot of problems here in this lawsuit. I"m sure Natalee's parents are anxious, but any suit has to be placed in the proper place in the proper time.
Anne:
There are all kinds of things, in a civil case there are written discovery, let's hear it under oath from Joran......
Mickey:
You need competent, reliable EVIDENCE, not character assassinations.
Anne:
They can prove by a lot of his statements what they're alleging in the lawsuit....
Mickey:
If he's already confessed to the crimes like you say , why hasn't Aruba arrested him?
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Greta February 16 2006
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Greta On The Record February 16
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Greta:
Joran and Paul have been slapped with a lawsuit today.
John Kelly from Palm Beach Florida.
It sounds very James Bondish, start from yesterday and tell me how this all came about
John:
We knew they were both coming, it was chatter that we picked up considerably escalating yesterday. Once we moved on the chatter, we got lucky with some facts, we had 3 different teams on 3 different continents, we got one process server with Joran, able to stake out his father and able to serve the father at 1 pm and we served Joran as he was getting off the plane from Holland
Greta:
Where was the process server on the plane
John:
3 rows in front of him.
We had our info and were able to locate the process server so Joran couldn't get past him.
Greta:
The case was filed officially when?
John:
ll am this morning. We had to e-mail the index # and the filed action to the process server on the plane to add to the conplaint and provide to the investigative team in the hotel for Paul to mark that it was formally filed.
Everything is videotaped, we have still photos of the service of both.
Greta:
Why was it so important to be done immediately
John:
I know from experience that reporters have newspapers to check on these filings, we didn't want them to pick it up, the family would have found out..all they would have had to do is stay out of New York
Greta:
You filed at 11 a.m, accomplished both services simultaenously and avoided the tip off factor. WHen the plane lands at Kennedy what happened.
John:
Joran was the last person off the plane, waiting to be escorted off by customs, he couldn't get off the plane without going by the process server.
Greta:
The process server didn't have the index # on it when he left town. He got it later.
Do you have a separate person on the plane videotaping.
John:
We have it memorialized, I don't want to talk about the mechanics too much.
We had dozens of ppl involved in this, different partners of mine were my right hand men on this, Vito and his team were at various locations, we had international help on this too..lot of skill and hard work
Greta:
Let's look at the service in the NY hotel...
John:
We tracked him down there. we were waiting for him, we weren't going to serve him until Joran was served...at about 1 pm he showed up in the lobby and the team served him and videotaped.
I don't know about his reaction, I got some verbals.
We have some footage of him looking at the papers.
Greta:
The videotaping is for what purpose?
John:
You want to avoid the situation where he denies service
Greta:
You were actually, the Plaintiffs are who?
JOhn:
Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway, it's their action, they brought the claim.. THe jursidiction issue, once it was filed in New York and the Defendants were in NY state and we personally served them that's how we gained jurisdiction. Once we filed the action, they entered the state and were personally served we gained jurisdication.
Greta:
One slip up and you would have been in trouble
John:
It was all done by phone by me from down here, for the last 24 hours, it was completed around 3 pm...lot of speculating as to parts of what was unfolding, guessed a little bit and everything turned out to effect service.
Greta:
How did you prepare your process server in NY to get the right person
John:
We had plenty of photos, the plane was easy, he's recognizable, we've got plenty of pictures of him. The father has been out there too, doing interviews, so we had plenty of footage of him
Greta:
Did Beth or Dave know this was going on
John:
In general terms, it was one of these things I felt more comfortable about less ppl knowing. I just told them something might be coming down, don't take any phone calls...
Greta:
We called them so many times today, but they're following your instructions I guess.
Did you call Beth and talk to her, what did you tell her
John:
I told her in plain terms, she was thankful. She and Dave see it as one more avenue to get answers out of Aruba and finding Natalee
Greta:
This changes a lot, in many ways it empowers them, to get more info, it changes the dynamics doesn't it.
They've been over there in the hot sun trying to get answers, now things have changed a litte bit
John:
We have been able to go on the offensive, we are the masters with what we've been able to accommplish today, we will proceed and work the way we want to. I've had my own investigators working on this, good to get on the home court home soil.
Greta:
Did Karin Janssen know about this
John:
No, KJ has been very good, just talked to her other day, I forgot to bring this up to her
Greta:
Forgot to bring it up? How do you plan to tell her? Or will you let us tell her
John:
I think she probably knows by now.
Greta:
What's your wild thought about how she will react
John:
SHe'll see it as a movement on a different front, maybe we'll be able to get some things she wasn't able to get, we'll have some good subpoena power, very good attorneys working with me. It's a parallel operation but we plan to share what we can and get a prosecution.
Greta:
How in the world did Paul and Joran's lawyer let them slip into the country for an interview.
John:
I guess it was very kind of them to do that, to help us out, very nice that ppl down there are very atuned to the movements of the van der Sloots. I'm very surprised but I guess for some reason they feel enboldened a little bit, bullet proof since they've been given a pass down there....they could come here and put their spin on things...
Greta:
WHo are they interviewing with?
John:
I take it it's not you Greta
Greta:
I'd like to talk to them
John:
It's my understanding one of the networks, one of the marquis names.
If they could talk to the networks they should be happy to sit and talk to us too
It's a lot easier for one person to travel (from the network), there's no risk in that, but for some reason they thought they could slip in for a weekend and slip out, but I guess they were wrong.
Their trip to the US just recently surfaced, we've been monitoring and waiting for a break, monitoring chatter and web sites for months now. There was a peak very recently, moved on it and this is where we ended up today.
Greta:
I've never seen anything like it, it was a well oiled machine, the former Scotland Yard officer on the plane, watching this thing going down must have really excited you.
John:
It was like watching grass grow for me from down here, one little slip up, a lot of things could have gone wrong. THe well oiled machine could have been a broken down heap if things had gone a different way. We have a great team of ppl working on this
Greta:
Was Beth calling you all day
John:
Yes they were, they were terrific, terrific clients. I told them what they had to know, stay dark for the day. We have a terrific relationship, they are terrific clients and people. It's the first step, they feel pretty good.
Greta:
What' the complaint say
John:
4 causes of action, sexual assault, battery, false imprisonment, and the negligent supervison against Paul.
Greta:
How long has it been ready in the drawer waiting for this moment.
John:
It was filed at 11 today. You have to file the action in the State that they're going to be coming to, we didn't have info for any length of time that they would be coming to New York. The lawyer part was done through the night
Greta:
Once you got word, you started to draft the suit.
John:
The actual pen to paper was very recent...
Greta:
Any way to describe what your clients have been thru since May 31
John:
They lost their daughter, these ppl know who has the answers, and they can't get those answers. Maybe this is a way to get some answers
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Julia Renfro what can we expect in court tomrorow in Aruba
Julia:
Joran's lawyer, Antonio Carlo will go head to head with the Prosecution
tomorrow to ask for Joran to be released from all suspicion in this case.
Greta:
We have gone through same procedure with regard to Paul. This was planned, this is unrelated to the civil lawsuit.
Julia:
Yes
Greta:
How long has it been on the docket?
Julia:
Not really sure, not been available
Greta:
Do you know if KJ will be in Court and whether she intends to oppose
Julia:
SHe absolutely objects to the release of Joran of suspicion
I believe that Karin has heard about the civil lawsuit. DOmpig was aware of it at approximtaely 4 pm this afternoon
Greta:
Is it making quite a splash in Aruba
Julia
At this point, the big reaction will be tomorow. Ppl will be quite shocked, more importantly about how this came about. How Paul and Anita and Joran actually arrived and why they went to NY in the first place.
I had heard that they planned to leave the island to go to New York to meet with a network, this was all arranged by the co-author of Dave's book, Mr Garrison, after completing Dave's book...he told Joran he was convinced Joran was innocent..Dave and Garrison convinced Joran to come to NY and tell the truth and his parents were coming along
Greta:
Is there a book deal b/n Joran and Garrison
Julia:
That's my understanding.
Greta:
Jim Hammer, Jeff Brown and Bernie Grimm and Ted Williams
Bernie:
Fascinating stream of legal developments. Happy for the Holloways, I've talked to Beth....now instead of waiting around, they're proactive, they'll be on the offensive
Greta:
I've never seen a service like this...
Jeff:
They won the battle, but there's not a single fact on this complaint...there's not a single witness or fact to support the sexual assault or imprisonment complaint
Greta:
I'm not so sure, I sat with Anita when she sat and described very graphically what the sexual contact was IF she's intoxicated then it's a sexual assault..
Jeff;
They may be able to argue she was intoxicated, but there are no witnesses to anything
They have his lies, here are the 3 stories, but none lay the picture of a sexual assault. They're saying he's a bad guy and he lies but that's about the extent of it.
Jim:
In a civil trial, if it's true that Joran said it he had sex with her when she was unconscious.... then they'll find for the Plaintiffs
Greta:
"Joran's parents knew he was a sexual predator and encouraged his bad behaviour"
Ted there are many legal hurdles B & D must get past in order to have a successful suit, this is by no means going to be easy ...
Ted:
It is absolutely, once you file lawsuit, the vdS will hire a lawyer who will argue venue and jurisdiction and file motion to dismiss.
Greta:
They're not going to do that, they'll go home.
Ted:
You will not see these ppl giving discovery in this case anywhere.
Greta:
Inside the complaint, we learn certain things..."Paul knew the young men's efforts to concoct an alibi, he counselled them to refrain from using their mobiles and e-mails"
The way it seems the father is brought into this, he's been cleared, the father in some way helped them cover up another tort, a murder although it's not alleged in the suit.
Jim:
The coverup is problematic, if true in para 12, that Joran had been involved in 2 or 3 incidents of being a predator using drugs with girls, if his parents knew this and did nothing but encouraged him they might have liability.
Ted;
What Greta just read, any parents on any given day will protect their child, give them this advice....
Jim:
What if they knew he did this 3 times before though ...
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Julie Banderas FNC February 17
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Julie Banderas
Joran and Natalee left a bar together, everybody agrees on that...
This civil lawsuit is certainly a clever attempt by Beth's attorney.
(Mercedes and David Schwartz with Julie Banderas)
Mercedes Colwin:
I think frankly there's no jurisdiction....there's no connection to NY at all. The Twittys and Holloways are from Alabama and Mississippi. The van der Sloots are from Aruba and The Netherlands and the disappearance occurred in Aruba. If I was defending the vdS, I'd file the Motion to Dismiss for lack of jurisdiction then I'd ask for sanctions and costs for this frivolous lawsuit
David Schwartz:
I disagree, it's not frivolous, there are cirucmsntances where they can prevail, he's a complete liar, he blames everybody, security guards, the Kalpoes...so many stories, so many lies, the jury will hate him.
Mercedes:
There's no testimony, no depositions, but just speculation....they're calling him a predator among other things and if a lawyer said this in a press conference they'd be sued very quickly.
David:
They will do the investiation, the disovery, everything the Arubans didn't do ...
Innocent men don't run, why then would an innocenet man lie 20 times about where he went, if he had sex, blaming on his friends, security guards ..
Mercedes:
We don't know what the stories were, the interrogations weren't done in the US...they're going to come in and figure out...these multiple stories do not make a difference...there are no facts, nothing linking Joran to the disappearnce other than he was last seen with her. Beyond that, there's just no evidence against him at all.
It's not going to happen in NY, there is just no jurisdiction, if it was brought in Alabama, maybe just maybe there could be an argument made about jurisdiction, but in New York, absolutely not.
This entire lawsuit just sounds absurd ....
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