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Greta 4/11, CTV 5/30 by Heli/ HI Video Tape /Key Card Trans.
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Greta:
Joe Tacopina was watching with the family. On the phone with me is Joe Tacopina, what was the reaction of your client
Joe:
I think we're all questioning whether it will have any value, nothing was new. One thing we took from it, they were relieved that the new Chief running this has a different perspective, heading in a right direction. One thing we recently were seeing from police reports, documenting that one woman was accosted 9 days before on the beach, but other women who within days of that also had similar incidents. Since that's being looked in, it gives us solace that they will give this issue a fresh look.
Greta
On the AP tonight, they were reporting that the police are looking for a man who harassed a woman on the beach, the woman said the man was in his 20's, why didn't they make that known earlier, so others would be on the lookout?
Joe
How about that, I've been on the case 2 months, It's astonishing, we're working with the law office here, myself and myinvestigator, it's astounding, because it cannot be Joran, it means we don't look at it? That's what they're thinking? Hopefully, by all accounts it's a diferent investigator this new guy Richardson, there's not a stitch of evidence that implicates Joran. I'm not worried about them doing an investigation, why was that not mentioned, maybe 11 months ago someone might have said I've seen somebody like that
Greta:
I have spoken to a couple who had a similar experience but I can't get them to come forward. The civil case, will your clients come to NY in may
JO
Not decided yet, they dont need to be there, were very confident in the end result of that... threats that have been issued to Joran and his father from ppl who claim to be supporting the Holloway family...
Greta:
Welcome Julia. I'm intrigued by the info I'm learning, you've seen a video of the HI lobby at 3:15 a.m. at the time Natalee is supposed to hve disappeared?
Julia
There's always been a strong suspicion she returned to the HI. her room opened right to the beach a few 100 yards from where Joran left her on the beach...it's security tape of the lobby and it actually pointed at the front desk the young lady walks up and she's identical to Natalee right down to the clothes and shoes, we compared to the casino video, it's the same walk, same shoes, it's identical.
This tape is time stamped after 3 a.m. when the suspect Joran actually has an alibi with pc records.
Greta:
can you see the face or the clothes
Julia:
You can see Height, body shape, the clothes, the style of shoes, the length of the hair, nose, body?
Greta:
I assume the police have it?
Julia:
Yes, since the beginning, since the early morning of June 1
Greta:
What do the police think?
Julia;
THey think it was Natalee, they brought the Holloways and Twittys to see it early on, Dave was a little unsure but Beth was very sure that it wasn't Natalee.
Greta:
Was it sent to the FBI for enhancement
Julia
I'm not aware of that.
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im Hammer, Gloria Allred, Ted
Ted, apparently the re-enactment show was played today in Holland.
Now that at least part of it has aired, do you expect results?
TEd:
Absolutely not, it's so nonsensical, just think about this. They're doing it 9 or 10 months later, what do you have in Aruba...tourists. They are no longer there, so you're going to play it for ppl who are there. You should have put that out 9 months ago, this is utter comedy
Greta:
Jim every time something comes out of Aruba, I get more distressed, the AP said there was a man who was harassing somebody 9 days before Natalee disappeared, right there on the beach by the fishermen's huts.
Jim:
It leaves you speechless, that together with this suggestion by Julia about this tape from the Holiday Inn lobby. I think this video, if you have competent police, if they believe the video they would have moved away from Joran as a suspect.
Greta;
They should have sent if off for professional enhancement
Jim:
I don't know why they don't follow it, maybe because they're bumbling idiots.
Greta:
WHy not enhance it, why discount it, that's what I don't understand.
Gloria:
I can't understand why they wouldn't, if they hadn't thought about it it's frightening
Greta:
We know about 3 a.m. Joran is on this pc sending an e-mail IF it's Natalee, were taking a big leap of faith...somebody used the key card at 3:15..all these things would have the cops in full force looking for somebody else.
Bernie
If it's Natalee, you know I listened to Julia, she said same clothes, shoes, walk same, hair same, nose was the same..to me that was very chilling you could see her, her mother says no, I have to go with her mother.
Greta:
I'd rather have it enhanced
Bernie:
When I was interviewed this afternoon, those were the words out of my mouth, it should be enhanced.
Gloria:
Maybe if they haven't done it yet, they might want to be thinking about getting that done.
Greta:
Let me be sarcastic, what's the rush?
Ted;
This is so keystone, it's an embarassment, to have tape that might be Natalee, why didn't they make this part of the re-enactment..you would think they would put the boy's face out there, it's just so phony
Greta:
ANy recommendations for this police force
Gloria:
They continue to gather all of the evidence, it doesn't appear to be over until it's over. A lot of people are watching.
Greta:
I hope they have sent it out for enhancement.
Greta:
Why has the Prosecutor from Aruba filed an Affidavit with the New York Court.
Today the lawyer for Natalee's family responded. Today was the filing by JQK and one of the attachements to the Answer is a letter from Karin Janssen and what she's submitting is her support for the civil case to remain in NY and not transferred to Aruba (I heard Greta say CUBA)
"If a lawsuit was transferred to Aruba it would bring more media attention ...I can say with certainty that this media attention will have a negative impact on Aruba....it would be better to settle the pending civil proceeding in the New York court
Bernie;
Putting nausea aside for a moment, how in the world can she say that possible witnesses will be discouraged from coming forward? I guess there are eyewitnesses..she will bring them forward on natalee's anniversary. Her statement boils down to the fact she wants the heat off Aruba and into New York
Jim:
I'm going to stick up for her, hers has been a silent voice. I read it differently, I can see that her new co-prosecutor is John Kelly. This allegation that he had 3 prior victims, if Kelly can prove this in New York, that Joran is some kind ofserial rapist...I want that case to go forward
Greta:
there's another affidavit, about 100 pgs, affidavit that Helen LeJuez filed and submitted to the COurt in New York...Helen says a Jane Doe came forward that she had an experience with Joran, a sexual assault and drugging and this Jane DOe would not come forwad if the case was in aruba but she might if it were in New York
Gloria:
I think this is a weak argument, Helen is the attorney representing Natalee's motherin Aruba, this is her declaration It is not the declaration of the Jane Doe, and I would have liked to see that
Even the attorney says that the Jane doe "might" be prepared to testify in New York butnot in Aruba. She doesn't say she WILL testify only might.What if she says she will testify in France or Bahamas, that cannot be the reaon for the NY court to decide to keep the suit in New York..it's weak
Greta:
It doesn't look like it's anything other than Helen's opinion as well. Ted, also attached to the pleading is about a dozen affidavits from college students saying I'm not going back to Aruba, students who were on the trip , they'll testify in New York but not in aruba
Ted;
It's just weak. I saw those affidavits, they are largely ppl in the U.S., the witnesses that we want to testify are Joran and Satish bros, and they are in Aruba..
The fact is no matter how you look at it the witnesses are in aruba, this is weak , this case is going by the wayside anyway.
Greta:
I'm hoping to have a law professor on tomorrow night to give us some insight into the merits of the civil case. Thank you panel
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dayo gould PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:21 am
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1947
The Holiday Inn tape...out in the open at last?
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/000016/001678.htm
Monday, May 22, 2006
"...Van der Sloot, who subsequently moved to the Netherlands, is generally considered to be one of the last people to have seen Holloway alive..."
"...Police found her packed suitcase, cell phone and passport by the door of her hotel room. No body has been found.
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Catherine Crier May 22 transcript
Courtesy of Heli
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1966
First to Julia Renfro
..."Julia
That is a great possibility, the ALE together with the NFI have reviewed these videotapes of the casino, the front desk, hallways, they're coming up with answers and like I said before, they are still working on this case, it's amazing one year later..."
Joe Tacopina
...Joe:
There are these leads that were left untouched, leads regarding the predator on the beach that attacked at least 2 women by the fisherman's hut. The new superintendent seems to be doing a good job, they released composite drawing of this guy...I know they're also looking at other individuals who may have brought Natalee back to the HI at 3 a.m. It should have been looked at, all of it...I just hope that they're taking a fresh look at everything. I'm cautiously optimistic ..
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http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1588&start=0
4.Information about a video that shows a girl dressed in Natalee’s clothes and shoes at the front desk of the hotel, after Joran parted from her have surfaced in the media. Have you seen this tape, is it Natalee, and has a forensic analysis of the tape been done to your knowledge? Surely this should clear Joran completely from involvement? (*Smile* short form – what do you know about this tape?)
There is such a tape and it’s in the hands of law enforcement. I cannot go into what I have personally seen or read at this time but do believe that that is a crucial piece of evidence that should have been followed up on a lot earlier.
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From scrux=
http://scrux.com/natalee/timeline.htm
:00 am Natalee, Joran, Deepak and Satish depart Carlos 'n Charlies.
Closing time on Sunday night was earlier than other nights. In Joran's interview with Greta he says they left at "probably one a.m." Reference: Joran van der Sloot/Greta interview
1:00 am - 1:50 Deepak drives Natalee and Joran
Conflict: Deepak states that "They drove around, drove to the lighthouse", then to the Marriott beach. Reference : David Kock/Greta interview . Joran states in all of his interviews that they did not go to the lighthouse, but drove by his house staying in the car, then drove to the Marriott beach. Ending time is calculated by figuring the drive time to Deepak's home from the beach, and deducting that time from Deepak's computer login time (discussed in the following entry).
Also, note the conflict described in the following entry, which describes circumstances which indicate the drive might have ended at 1:35 am and not 1:50.
1:50 am Natalee and Joran dropped at beach.
Conflict: Calculated as ten minutes prior to Deepak's computer log in at 2:00 am.. This is from David Kock statement that this is the drive time from Marriott beach area. However, Aruban observers have noted that the Kalpoes live in Hooiberg, which is towards the airport on the opposite side of Orangestad from Palm Beach and the area where Joran lives. Joran's asserts that Deepak lives 20 minutes from him. Joran also says that he lives 5 minutes from the beach. So, the drive to Deepak's home from the beach would have been 25 minutes. Using Deepak's log in time as the mark, this would have meant that Natalee and Joran were dropped off at 1:35 am and not 1:50 am.
Dropoff might have even been several minutes prior to 1:50 or 1:35 (whichever is accurate), since a few minutes probably lapsed between arriving home and actually logging in.
1:59 am Deepak and Satish arrive home.
The arrival home might have been even earlier, because the computer log in (2:00 am), most likely, would not have been done the instant they arrived home.
2:00 am Deepak logs onto computer.
From the David Kock Greta interview, citing records presented in court.
2: 45 am Joran cellphone call to Deepak
Conflict: We are assuming this call was not made to Deepak's cell phone. Only Joran's cellphone records are ever described in all discussions by David Kock and Joran or the Aruban police. Plus, although not reliable, the so-called unsigned Deepak statement says Deepak's cellphone was not used that night, because no minutes were available. Even though that statement was authored by police investigators , verifiable facts are not the kind of information to be falsified. We then must also assume that Deepak has an internet connection separate from his home phone (maybe broadband), because Joran quotes Deepak as saying he was on the computer at the time, although new phone modems interrupt and pause for incoming calls. Without seeing Deepak's or Joran's cellphone records, we can't verity which phone (home or cell) received the call. It may not be an important distinction, since Deepak answered an IM from Joran (discussed in a subsequent entry) showing he was still home at a later time.
3:00 am Deepak logs off computer.
Conflict: This was in David Kock's August interview. It is in conflict with Joran's computer records, which indicate that Deepak answered an IM (instant message) from Joran at 3:45. According to Joran, ABC news verified these computer records.
3: 00 am Satish arrives in Deepak's car at Marriott beach areas
This was deduced from Joran's assertion that Satish arrived, 10-15 minutes after Joran's 2:45 am phone call to Deepak. (Joran/Greta interview). Conflict: Deepak and Satish maintain that they stayed home and did not go out again and that Joran walked home.
3:05 am Joran cellphone call to Deepak. ..
David Kock says this was a call at 3:00 or shortly thereafter. He quotes Deepak, that this was Joran was saying that he arrived at home. According to Kock, Joran's cellphone triangulation data indicated that this call was made from the neighborhood, which could either be the Mariott beach area all the way to Joran's home). David Kock quote, "...that is not an exact pinpoint indication, but the general area is the area here in north of palm beach of the hotels."
Marginal Conflict: Not a phone "call, " but a cellphone "text message". Kock in a subsequent interview says that there was a phone call from Joran to Deepak and a later "chat message." This will correspond with Koch's earlier statement that there were two phone contacts, by assuming that the second one was a cellphone text message and not the computer IM, which is discussed as occurring later. Hence his discussion of triangulation would not be in conflict. Joran also verifed in the Greta interview that the "I got home" message was a cellphone text message as he distinguished two messages, and described the second one saying, " No, that was on the computer afterwards."
Potential conflict: Some people have questioned the accuracy of cellphone triangulation from the area around the beach and Joran's home, but that wiouldn't disprove that the call wasn't made from his house, merely weaken it as a proof that it was made from there.
3:05 am Joran arrives home
Conflict: In the Greta interview, Joran states that the driving time from his house to the beach is five minutes. This would make the arrival time, thirty minutes prior to Joran's computer log in time. In Greta interview, Joran says he arrived earlier than computer log in time and went to kitchen to get something to eat and drink, was going to go to sleep, then decided check if any friends were on line, if there was "anyone to talk to." According to David Kock statements presented to the courts showed that Deepak affirmed that Joran walked home. A five minute drive would be an approximately 45 minute walk. If Joran started walking at 2:40 am, he could have then been home at about 3:30 am, coinciding with his computer login time with no thirty minute gap.
The thirty minutes gap is either an unaccounted for block of time or it was spent in the walk from the beach to his home (assuming someone in the group is telling the truth)..
3:35 am Joran logs onto computer
Joran maintains computer log on records verified by ABC news.
3:45 am Joran Instant messages Deepak, and receives answer
Joran says this is in the records verified by ABC news. Conflict: as described previously, David Kock says 3:00 am was Deepak's log off time.
3:50 - 4:00 am Joran IM's Deepak again. No answer.
Joran says he IM's (instant messaged) Deepak. Deepak is showing as still on line. Deepak doesn't answer. Joran assumes he is just away from the computer. This is in the records verified by ABC news according to Joran. Conflicts with what David Kock says was Deepak's log off time.
6:40 am Joran on school bus.
Joran's interview with Greta and verified from several sources.
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It seems that the scrux time table is off...
From Heli (Thanks Heli!)
Catherine Crier May 30 TRANSCRIPT
There were several segments where the discussion got somewhat heated, people were crosstalking, interrupting and generally making it difficult to hear invidual comments. I think you'll be able to readily discern these areas.
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Lisa Bloom:
Paul Reynolds, Joe Tacopina, Raoul Manchada and Julia Renfro are with us today.
Julia Renfro I have to admit I was surprised it's been a year, for the family it must feel like much longer. What's the latest?
Julia
I understand from reliable sources that they were continuing water searches today based on a recent tip that came in, We looked around ourselses but saw no activity.
Lisa:
Where would this search have been taking place?
Julia
It would be that same area, suspicious area by the lighthouse, apparently a witness or a tipster has claimed to have seen some activity that might have included some of the suspects
Lisa:
In the last year, there have been 10 men caught and released by ALE, are they still all considered suspects?
Julia
yes they are, out of all of them they all are suspects, except Paul, who was released from suspicion last November.
Lisa
And Joran's status?
Julia
He is still the main suspect
Lisa
He is considered the key suspect, what about the other 9?
Joe
He's the key suspect because he was a suspect for the longest period. The investigation in my eyes and my investigators' eyes has moved away from Joran, there is no evidence against him. The new police superintendant has been doing other things, putting composite sketches out in the public, released the re-enactment show ..you then have them looking at parts of the beach patrol I think that's the encouraging part that they have a new superintendant looking at new things.
I think it's time to get a prosecutor who has the ability to do the same thing, this Holloway family has gone through so much as have my clients. They arrest ppl and release them, then they go search their house...if you're trying to get the truth out, one way not to do it is to have an investigation like this.
Lisa
Paul you're Natalee's uncle, we in the media every time we hear about an arrest... we get our hopes up that perhaps it will lead to something and every time the hopes are dashed. For you and the familiy with all these arrests and releases, how are you holding up?
Paul
It has been a roller coaster ride, our family has adjusted, we stay focused on the info that we need to resolve this case. We're glad the authorities continue to investigate, they seem to be expanding their investigation to other individuals. We want everyone to remember that the most damaging, critical piece of info comes from the original 3 suspecst themselves. The fact that J2K's don't know how Joran got home that night. They can't agree how he got home confirms that one is lying and I would have to say the one who is lying is the one who is responsible for her disappearance.
Lisa
Joran did an interview with Prime Time Live ...
(plays clip from interview)
Couple of things disturbed me about that sound byte, "after everything she told me..."
JOe
Without wanting to sound crude, she didn't want to go back to her hotel or to Alabama. I don't want to bash their family relationships but this is a 17 year old boy answering questions, if we want to say that b/c Joran at 17 when he was bum rushed by a bunch of peole who were very aggressive didn't come out and tell the truth...if that's going to make him a murderer, I'd say that's why the investigation is where it's at today.
Lisa:
This comment, it's one of the last things she said when she was alive, she was bashing her family?
Joe
I'm not going to get into what she said to him about her family, you know what, that's why Karin wrote the FBI asking about certain familial relations that the Holloways had with others. What Joran said is also backed up by her friends;
Karin wrote to the Justice Department,ustice asking, as ridiculous as it sounds, if the Holoway family is in any way, shape or form related to Adolf Hitler Two of Natalee's friends told the prosecutor that very thing as well.
Lisa
Paul, is this news, this allegation that Joran reported that Natalee was bashing her family that night on the beach
Joe:
I never said he said that... I said I'm not going to speculate about bashing somebody's family. You want me to tell you what my client said to me... really? Lisa, come on ...
She wanted him to stay with her that night, she didn't want the night to end
Lisa:
Let me bring Paul in
Paul
We're simply not concerned about comments of that nature, we're concerned about Natalee's disappearance. When we came to different crossroads, Beth and I would talk...it's natural for young men or older boys to lie under duress, but one year later they shouldn't still be lying ...
Joe
Excuse me, that's not true, they're not lying, he's saying things
Paul
the lie is how Joran got home that night
Joe
He came clean after the first 3 statements, they gave 20 statements, and other than those facts about where he left Natalee and how he got home
Lisa
That's a pretty big discrepancy
Joe
Do you want me to answer or do you just want to go through interrupting
Lisa
The problem is you're a good spokesperson for JOran, but Joran himself doesn't come across as well
Joe
I disagree, at 17 if I was being interviewd , quite frankly I don't know if I could have done as well as Joran did.
If you look at Greta's interview, that turned the opinion of many including Greta... she came on the record and said that she was inclined to believe him. If you look at his story it's corroborated by phone and computer records. He's on the phone at 2:26 with Deepak to pick him up. We have e-mails and I'll correct Paul on this, there are e-mails after Deepak is released where he's instant messaging friends, he's saying his brother picked up Joran at the beach that night. Maybe they don't 'want to be involved in the case anymore and they're just disavowing everything...
There's a computer record of Deepak admititng Joran was picked up by Satish. If you want to think he's the world's greatest killer, I'll tell you from the timeline it's almost impossible to carry out what he's accused of doing.
Lisa
Raoul, the most frustrating part is the Aruban system, bringing people in and then releasing them
Raoul
.... the real problem is not so much the ppl arrested, it's the system, they've had a few murders they don't know what they're doing. I don't think there's any chance now to ever find out what happened.
Lisa
What's the solution for american citizens who go to other countries, or vacation islands?
Raoul
There are treaties in the books between the US and other countries, we should lobby the US to enter treaties with foreign countries, you should notify the FBI within minutes of crimes taking place rather than leaving it to the local yokels to investigate.
Theres's no law enforcement in the world that can compare to US law enforcement
Julia:
I would like to add that the FBI was invovled since June 1, they were here ,more than a dozen agents. They were absolutely involved.
Raul
Not from Day l, no they weren't, they weren't involved in the investigation
Julia
They were involved in the investigation, they were assisting and giving advice since June 1, Paul Reynolds was there, he knows, he saw the FBI agents there, spoke with them
Paul
The FBI had a presence there , we don't know the level of involvement they had
Julia
Which would be June 1
Lisa:
Raoul, what does presence mean?
Paul
I saw them and spoke to them
Lisa:
What's the level of involvement and Raoul says
Raoul:
They should have been leading the whole investigation right away, that's what I say
Lisa:
Tim Miller says he's not giving up. Walk us through what TES did in Aruba to try to find Natalee Holloway?
Tim:
Oh God Lisa it was incredible, we did so much searching on land. We were at the landfill for 3 weeks, I brought in 3 different water teams, we used sidescan sonar and ROV's. We was scheduled to go back last week, we have equipment now to go to 1,000 feet..
It will take us out deeper from the fisherman's huts. In October Dompig told us it was very possible she was put in a fish cage, we thought it was good news for her to be found. The water is deep, cold and no oxygen and if she's in something metal, we're still optimistic we can find her
We put so much effort in, the people put so much effort in, the aruban people have become victims too in this
Karin contacted us last week, she was looking forward to us coming back and doing this search but there were funding issues.
Lisa:
It's nice to hear some nice comments about arubans
Tim:
They have been terrific, and you know how they co-operated with us, we invaded their island, we did get a lot of co-operation and we had few problems.
Everybody's emotions are different...
Lisa:
Tell us about the deep sea search, you had lack of funding, tell us about the fish trap theory
Tim:
This is one of the things Dompig told us that the night Natalee disapppeared the fisherman's hut was broken in and a knife, a rope and a cage was stolen. He told us 3 to 5 miles out there is where she could be. It's one of the things we put so much effort into, without doing this last big push we're never going to know. We have the resources now so we're trying to put the funding together.
I'm out of the investigation now, I'm just trying to find Natalee ...I applaud the ppl of Aruba, I applaud LE..Karin Janssen contacted us last week and is looking forward to working together with us again.
Lisa:
Raoul as you hear this...one of the problems is there isn't enough money for the searches...
Raoul:
TES is a great organization, they shouldn't be there, the family shouldn't have to be paying top dollar to have an investigation ...a good investigation takes funding, tax payer dollars, expertise..not wasting any time arresting and interrogating all kinds of people
This is a keystone cops situation, there's no reason to bring in a third party contractor..Equusearch is the best in the country but it shoudn't have been necessary. Why should the family have to hire private investigators and private searchers.
Theres's a big problem in the world, how bad do all these countries want US citizens to be visiting their countries
Lisa:
Joe, how is Joran doing?
Joe
He's doing well, he's in school in Holland, working. Every time something like Guido's arrest happens, it's disheartening, he hears what happened to this kid ..
Lisa
Paul the family on this one year anniversary, how are you all holding up?
Paul
My family has been very strong, Beth has certainly kept her focus, we want to be supportive to her, We are appreciative of all the efforts, Tim and TES and people in the US and people in Aruba have kept pushing on this, We're appreciative of that, but we also want some answers.
Lisa:
Natalee's story has certainly captivated this country, everybody wants to know what happened.
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Letter from Julia as posted by roger from scrux-
thanks roger!
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:
JackC--- this is a statement from Julia Renfro to me about the video:
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I’ve seen the hotel security tapes that show Natalee coming out of the bathroom next to an ATM at 2:38 am and at the Front Desk with Frances Ellen Bird at 3:10 am. Beth has seen the video as well and she said that it is Not Natalee and Dave wasn’t sure.
The shoes, hair, nose, skirt and walk are all the same – The shirt, although the same style and color, did not have the white triangle design in the front like Natalee was wearing in CnC. We compared the way she walked into the casino to the way she walked up to the front desk, and it was the same. The quality of the image from the front desk was very poor.
{unrelated parts of correspondence have been snipped}
Regards,
Julia
Julia wrote this to me in a personal correspondence, but asked me not to publish it until she obtained approval. Subsequent to that correspondence, she went public with this information in several television interviews, so there are no restrictions now to my posting what she had related to me. What she said in these exchanges with me is exactly what she said in her television interviews. She has always been careful to distinguish that the "shirt" was different from what we had seen in the widely published pictures of Natalee.
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Evidence from a prosecution view. Plus, unsubstantiated info: http://scrux.com/natalee
http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=515&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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the following, June 2, 2005, interview is often quoted, so we include it in its entirely. The interviewer is Joe Scarborough.
Interviewer: Let me ask you, Frances Ellen, when is the last time you saw her?
Frances Ellen Byrd: That night.
Interviewer: Yes, you saw her the night...
Frances Ellen Byrd: I was with her that night.
Interviewer: You were with her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Yes. Yes.
Interviewer: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
Frances Ellen Byrd: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.
Interviewer: Saw her that night.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Right.
Mountain Brook youth minister: Yes. Absolutely.
Interviewer: All right. Well, Frances Ellen, thank you so much for being with us tonight. Mark (Mark Yoder,the youth minister), thank you. And, of course, our prayers are going to be with you, with Natalee and with Natalee‘s family on this very important search.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Thank you. Thank you so much.
(crosstalk)
Mountain Brook youth minister: We really encourage everyone to pray. Thank you.
Frances Ellen Byrd: Pray for Natalee. She is coming home.
Mountain Brook youth minister: Yes.
Interviewer: All right. Thank you so much. source (tv program is called Scarborough Country MSNBC)
http://scrux.com/natalee/studentquotes.htm
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http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838
This is the statement entered by Joe T in the response to the civil suit made by Whatley posted on scrux. It is a screen shot of the motion to dismiss.
It says, (snipped)
"Whatley advised that Kissel, on the news claiming to have seen HOLLOWAY on the beach Sunday night, but later changed his story
http://scrux.com/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=6838
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Greta 4/11 from Heli-
Greta April 4 TRANSCRIPT
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Greta:
A new twist, Joran's attorney gained access to police reports. Joining us is Joe Tacopina. First of all, you got reports from the police that were sealed.
Joe:
We had a court victory in Aruba, the Judge mandated ALE to turn over documents, we got them and what we're finding is nothing less than remarkable, there are so many leads we hadn't heard about...some of them not even followed up. SOme of the most astounding things, I hope somebody down there with investigative skills has looked into them.
Greta:
Let's pick some of them apart. The hotel key, tell me about the key ...
Joe:
We have a police report form Dutch police to the investigative officers, they indicate they interviewed the hotel front desk clerk, that clerk has a computer system to determine when they handed out room keys, not literally keys, credit card devices, the room key for Natalee was turned over to Natalee on a certain date and certain time, and the key for room 7114 which was her room, her key was used on the morning of May 30, at 1:26 a.m. but more importantly at 3:22 and 3:36 a.m.....that particular key was issued to her
Greta:
When I check into a hotel they give us 2 keys...how do you know it was a key Natalee used, she had 3 roommates that might have used her key
Joe:
Our investigator spoke to someone who could distinguish...the key, each copy has a code # on the key..the # corrolated to being given to Natalee. I am not ready to subscribe that Natalee was there at 3:22 and 3:26 but it certainly needs to be investigated more...ppl in this case have been prone to take quantum leaps but I'm not prepared to do that
Greta:
I'm asking these questions to investigate..if there's any rock solid proof of the 3:22 and 3:36 times? Are there any surveillance cameras to know who actually used that key?
Joe:
They did not pick up anybody at that time frame. We spoke to somebody who viewed the tapes and saw nobody. The twist is this, one of our investigators has the tape of a witness who is known to Dompig and ALE and is an invididual they should have been looking into, that witness or suspect is on tape he knows Natalee was in her room after 3 a.m.
This was somebody who lives in Aruba, not a tourist.
He did not come forward and tell the police, I'm not going to tell you what our investigation came out to, it's our tape...this individual is known to ALE..
Greta:
When was this tape made
Joe:
In the last 2 weeks
Greta:
Was Natalee's key to her room found in her room, which might suggest that it had been mixed up with one of her roommate's?
Joe:
Can't answer that, the police report is pretty clear, what significance it has I don't know, I do know one thing, it should be looked into. Let's get some final answers on that.
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"We've got nothing yet," said Detective Angelo Anthony with the police department in Noord, near where the group was staying. He said no one has been arrested and that Holloway's parents were unable to spot her on a surveillance tape from the Holiday Inn.
http://tinyurl.com/gzzrq
gagal_05 wrote:
April 19, 2006
TWITTY: Jane, it`s just so many different connections that it is just frightening. And, you know, I don`t even know for certain -- I don`t think we`ve been able to definitively rule out that there`s not some photos that could quite possibly have Joran and the new suspect in them. I`m not certain of that at all, but it certainly appears that he may be in some.
And, you know, also, it`s kind of frightening to us to hear about his connections with the father having control of the security cameras on the island, because, after all, you know, the Holiday Inn security cameras were not working that night that the suspects took Natalee.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/19/ng.01.html
August 29, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: The first story -- and you know, Nancy, I was not in the group when they were giving this information. Jug and the rest of the group that flew in with us were there. But he was stating that he had dropped Natalee off, and that he and Deepak and Satish had dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, when she got out of the car she stumbled, fell, hit her head, got up, and two security guards met her there at the entrance.
And you know, Deepak was standing right there. And we were even taken to the Holiday Inn and parked in front of the entrance to the Holiday Inn to show us that that`s where they had dropped her off. I mean, it`s right when you walk into the Holiday Inn.
And then as everyone knows, on June 2nd I reviewed the video footage of the people coming into the Holiday Inn, and Natalee Holloway -- Natalee never entered the Holiday Inn.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.html
Pathenry posted-
rom the June 2 - link
GRACE: The desk clerk did not see her come in. Could you...
DERSTRATEN: That`s correct, yes.
GRACE: Could you give me the configuration of the hotel? Would she have to walk past the desk clerk to get to her room?
DERSTRATEN: No, that`s not necessary. She can go another way, too, because she was sleeping in the third building of the hotel. She can go outside. She can go via the casinos. She can go all the way to the sleeping rooms.
So that`s the point. But she did not arrive in the sleeping room. But it`s not necessary, especially necessary that she had to see her at the lobby.
GRACE: Right, right.
Back to WBRC reporter Tiffany Bittner. Tiffany, there were about, what, 150 high schoolers on the trip along with her? Were any of them with her at the bar that night at the disco?
BITTNER: I am not certain. I have to tell you that it`s been very difficult to actually talk to some of the family and friends here. Of course, it`s a very serious matter, and it`s heartbreaking for this family.
So they really haven`t had a lot of students that have wanted to talk to us. They`re sort of keeping tight-lipped a little bit on this because of the investigation. Of course, they say they do not want to botch it in any way, or disturb it, or give out information that may hurt the investigation.
So I have talked to, again, one of her friends, a student. I`m not clear on whether or not she was at the club with her. But she was down on the trip with her, and says this whole ordeal doesn`t make any sense.
Link to thread
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=2961&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=450
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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 5
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Updated: 12:40 p.m. ET April 6, 2006
Guests: Jossy Mansur; Joe Tacopina; Les Levine; Dave Holloway; Grady Judd; Peter King; Russ Ferguson; Houston Baker; Lisa Pinto; Vito Colucci; Philip Russell
RITA COSBY, HOST: Good evening, everybody. Tonight, mind-blowing development in two of the biggest crime stories everybody is talking about. A sick and threatening e-mail surfaces from a player in the Duke University gang rape scandal. But could his twisted words about a stripper actually help his case? He was just suspended in the last few hours. And wait until you hear who suddenly just resigned in the case. More coming up in just a few minutes.
But first, a huge exclusive in the Natalee Holloway investigation. Tonight, we have exclusive information from a man who says that he sold drugs to Natalee Holloway the night she died. We‘re going to have more on that in just a moment because we have also learned tonight that Aruba‘s police chief, Gerold Dompig, is now reportedly off the Holloway investigation altogether.
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Here‘s what he said to us in a previous interview.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
GEROLD DOMPIG, ARUBAN DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE: I want to state once more that I still believe that these boys have been lying. They‘re still lying, and everybody knows that by now. So there‘s no doubt in my mind that they know something, they are guilty of something. I just don‘t know what they are guilty of.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And joining us now by phone with the big news from Aruba is Jossy Mansur with Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper. Jossy, what are you hearing as to why he was taken off the case?
Jossy, if you can hear me? Jossy? And we‘re trying to get Jossy Mansur. Of course, we‘re calling him from Aruba, the lines are, of course, a little difficult. We will get him in a moment. But Jossy Mansur from Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper reporting that Gerold Dompig, the chief, has apparently been removed from the case. We also got separate information on that, as well, and we‘re going to have that information in a moment and explain as to why maybe it all happened.
But first, let‘s also go to another exclusive. These are some details that you will only right here LIVE AND DIRECT. A self-admitted drug dealer who is a known relative of Chief Gerold Dompig makes some stunning claims. He told our own producer who is in Aruba that not only did he see Natalee Holloway the night that she vanished, but that he also sold her drugs.
In an off-camera interview, here is part of his stunning account of that night.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I know about the hotel room. I know about the hotel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About the what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hotel room. Her—her departure from where she was left to the hotel room, right? But she was on the way to here, and she reached (ph). And I was down there.
Everybody wants to know where she‘s buried, like...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, that‘s not what we‘re asking!
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... dig her up—no!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn‘t ask that question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You won‘t get that answer!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And again, that was with our producer. Before we go to the explanation of that, let me go first, if I could, to Jossy Mansur really quickly because I understand we got him back on the phone. Jossy, first tell us about Gerold Dompig.
JOSSY MANSUR, “DIARIO”: Yes.
COSBY: What are you hearing as to Gerold Dompig, Jossy?
MANSUR: Well, he‘s been replaced officially, and a new man is taking over the investigation. His name is Adolph Richardson (ph), or Dolphy Richardson, as we call him. He‘s a man of good reputation, very active, very energetic. And we hope that the case will move forward with him in a pace that hasn‘t happened before in the past.
COSBY: And Jossy, real quick, you‘re saying that he has been taken off the case. What again is the reason that you‘re saying he‘s been fired from the case?
MANSUR: Because he‘s given out too many declarations that are contradictory, to begin with. They‘ve had a lot of problems with him on other aspects in—in the investigation. He says, on the one side, that this girl is under this and this and that, that these people never—the suspects never admitted to anything. On the other side, he says that they admitted very clearly to having had sexual activity with the girl.
So all these contradictions have given the case and him and the police investigators a bad light, so much so that in Holland, the criminal experts, criminology experts in Holland have severely criticized as unprofessional the people who have been investigating this case, and they were especially harsh with Dompig.
COSBY: All right. Well, Jossy, please keep us posted. And again, Jossy Mansur, reporting from Aruba‘s “Diario” newspaper, again, that Gerold Dompig, of course, who‘s the chief investigator on this case, has been removed for some of his contradictory statements that he‘s made to the press and a number of other people.
Let me now bring in Joran Van Der Sloot‘s attorney, Joe Tacopina, and also a well-known private investigator who is working with him, Les Levine.
Both of you, before we get started, let me play again—this is again
this is a well-known sort of self-admitted drug dealer on the island, so of course, we‘ve got to couch it that way, but somebody who is also a known relative, the brother-in-law of Chief Gerold Dompig. And this is what he told our producer, again, in an off-camera interview. I want to play it again because these are some very powerful claims, at this point.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you meet Natalee?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I know about the hotel room. I know about the hotel.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About the what?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The hotel room. Her—her departure from where she was left to the hotel room, right? But she was on the way to here, and she reached (ph). And I was down there.
Everybody wants to know where she‘s buried, like...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, that‘s not what we‘re asking!
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSBY: And Joe, you know, of course, the suggestion here is by this guy that if she went back to the hotel room, that they‘re not going to find a body somewhere, that—different events from all these other accounts that we‘ve heard this night. Joe, what‘s your reaction to this?
JOE TACOPINA, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT‘S ATTORNEY: Well, you know, when you couple what this guy just said—and this, as you just said, is a well-known drug dealer on the island, it‘s a fellow named Boody (ph), who, by the way, happens to be the brother-in-law of Chief Dompig—and you know, I don‘t think it‘s coincidental that yesterday, there was a report that was released regarding the key swiping, a key that was issued to Natalee being swiped in the 3:00 o‘clock hour or 3:20 in the morning. And then we have today news that this individual, Boody, who‘s the brother-in-law of Chief Dompig, is now on tape saying he knows about her going from where she was left to the hotel room.
You know, I think—why was this person not looked into for the last 10 or 11 months? And you want to look at a conflict of interest, Rita. This individual is married—his sister is married to Chief Dompig. Now, look, you know, again, we‘re connecting dots here, but that seems to be, you know, the thing to do in this case. And this is hard-core evidence.
I mean, yesterday we had the Dutch police report that talked about—you know, that you‘ve seen, Rita, that talks about a key that was issued, a hotel key issued to Natalee Holloway. Whether she swiped it or not, it was swiped at 3:22 and 3:36 that morning. This guy just said that he knows about when was left at the beach to the hotel room.
And Chief Dompig‘s related to this guy, and he‘s released or resigned today or fired, whatever. You know, I—this case is in such a state of disarray, and it‘s really a shame for everyone involved. It‘s not fair to the Holloway family, it‘s not fair to my client. You know, I‘ve also heard today that the Aruban authorities or a spokesperson made an announcement that Joran is no longer the prime suspect.
You know, I mean, they—it‘s like they switch with the winds in this case, and it‘s really ridiculous. The distortions, Rita, of fact and reality in this case, made through (INAUDIBLE) statements is overwhelming to me. And I‘ve never seen the likes of it.
Hopefully, this new investigator will come in, right the wrong, look at whoever they need to look at, based on hard-core evidence like police reports, witness statements, things that I‘ve seen that I‘ve not heard talked about on the airwaves. And hopefully, they‘ll then go after or investigate, I should say, the people that should be investigated, regardless of relationships those people may have with anyone else.
COSBY: I agree. And in fact, let me go through really quickly—I‘m going to bullet-point a couple of these things. And Les, I‘m going to have you respond on this. This is a couple of the other things. Again, this guy‘s a self-admitted drug dealer, but as Joe points out, this guy is the brother-in-law of Chief Dompig. And we do know that he was investigated by authorities, so authorities knew of some of this information.
He told our producer—he claims that Natalee approached him on the first night, asking where to buy drugs and alcohol. He also claims that he sold Natalee and the other girls on the trip the drug ecstasy. And he also claims that Natalee was on drugs the night that she disappeared, and he was worried about her behavior.
Les, how important could this be? And again, you got a question of credibility of this guy, but it is interesting—Dompig‘s released from his duties. This guy‘s his brother-in-law. There‘s something funny here.
LES LEVINE, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Well, it would seem to me—pardon me, Rita, but my voice is going. But it would seem to me that he should be the prime suspect going into this thing, and the police used tunnel vision in an attempt to focus on our client, Joran, and disregard all the other elements that would go into a proper investigation.
In addition, this guy Boody says that he has information regarding Natalee Holloway that he‘ll willing to sell. I mean, if that doesn‘t implicate him in this crime, then nothing does.
COSBY: You know, Joe, how do you prove it? And again, if this guy‘s trying to sell his story, you got to question his credibility. But how do prove that these claims are true from this guy?
TACOPINA: Well, you know, that‘s—I guess, with good hard-core investigation, you know, like police are supposed to do. They get a claim, you determine whether it‘s truthful or not by looking at the badges of credibility—corroboration, things such as—you know, he said she went back to the hotel after, you know, she was left at the beach. Well, then you look to the hotel, you know, and see if there‘s any records of those keys being used. Now, again, we don‘t know who used that key that was issued to Natalee at 3:20 in the morning. We just don‘t.
But listen to what he‘s saying coupled with that—and you know, one thing about his credibility—you certainly have to question it—he did not know he was being recorded, Rita. And there‘s something in the law that overcomes what they call hearsay, which is a statement that‘s made against penal interest. There seems to be, the courts acknowledge, the law understands that there‘s a higher level of credibility when one is making a statement against their own penal interest because there‘s really no motives to want to do that.
COSBY: And also, Joe...
(CROSSTALK)
COSBY: ... just state for the record, too, Joe, that he just said he did not want to be seen on camera. So of course, that—you know, he also sort of put that restriction, but didn‘t knew (ph) he was speaking willingly to our producer...
LEVINE: Yes, Rita, let...
(CROSSTALK)
LEVINE: Rita...
TACOPINA: Wait a minute, Les. Let me just say this one last thing. And you know, this Frances Ellen Bird (ph), who was interviewed on your air, on MSNBC, who was one of the roommates of Natalee, way back in June of last year, June of last year, said—and it seemed insignificant, maybe, at the time, but said that she saw Natalee back in her hotel room that night. Now, I don‘t know if all these pieces have been put together, Rita, but seems that they need to take a real fresh look at this investigation.
COSBY: And guys, that‘s going to have to be the last word. I got to bring in Dave Holloway real quick because I got to get reaction to all these big developments. Dave, I know you‘re on the phone. Real quick, what is your reaction? And again, this is, you know, self-admitted drug dealer, but the fact that he‘s the brother-in-law of Gerold Dompig, what does this say to you, Dave?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE‘S FATHER: Well, we need to clear up a little of the smoke and mirrors problem. I provided the police with the documents that they‘re referring to, the hotel keys, as a matter of fact. Beth obtained those immediately upon arriving on the island and then provided me with a copy that I provided to the police.
Joe failed to mention that that same code was used again at 11:02 AM and 11:08 AM prior to them getting on—or leaving to the airport. So key number one, which we feel like Natalee used, was last used at 8:30 PM the prior night. So that key was not used again after the trip was over.
COSBY: No, that‘s interesting...
HOLLOWAY: Again, this guy named Boody, there was probably literally 10,000 blond-headed girls on the island at that time. I even had trouble identifying who was who. You know, and we interviewed him five or six times during the course of the summer, never mentioned, then all of a sudden, he has a clear memory. I don‘t buy it. He was higher than a kite most of the time we talked to him. So I think that‘s a bought (ph) witness. I think it‘s, again, some more of the propaganda that they‘re putting out.
COSBY: You know, Dave, what do you—it‘s so weird to us that he‘s
the brother-in-law of Gerold Dompig. How strange is that to you, too, and
you know, and now hearing this word that Dompig‘s released from the case?
HOLLOWAY: You know, I provided the prosecutor with two other witnesses just recently that has a lot clearer picture of what this Boody guy (INAUDIBLE). Whether they take any action on it, I‘m just waiting to see.
COSBY: Well, Dave, you please keep us posted because, boy, do you deserve answers more than anyone, you and Beth. Thank you, everybody, very much.
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