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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:28 am

Could it be many more have spoken out against Radical Islam, but for whatever reason it just doesn't get covered by the media?

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:35 am

Here is the real Truth about Islam, not the version many Arabs nations want you to believe. I am sorry if this offends anybody but the truth must always be spoken, especially when we are being led to believe something that is false.

Muhammad led 27 military campaigns against innocent
villages and caravans & planned 38 others

Christians & Jewish martyrs say; "I will die for what I believe".
A Muslim martyr says; "you will die for what I believe"....

Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur'an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically "tickle" the ears of Arab listeners.

Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone "prophet", who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians - back to the 8th century.

If anyone truly reads the badly written Qur'an, while comparing it side-by-side with what Islamic historians back to 750 A.D. have written about Muhammad they will have to conclude that Muhammad was a conman and, "Allah" was Muhammad's alter ego. Inventing "Allah" allowed Muhammad to wield control over everyone's life by telling him or her he is a representative of God, and what he says is what God has ordained.

The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. He died in 773 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham in 828 A.D. and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham's "Life of Muhammad" relied on the earlier works.

Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina, who died in 825 A.D. produced a work, which portions of which have survived, called "The Expeditions of Muhammad". The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. Make sure you study I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions which was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D.

Be sure to use the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D. - a century after they were first recited.

Here is a few things some Muslims who have left Islam had to say;

- "The Qur’an is full of verses that teach killing of unbelievers and how Allah would torture them after they die. - There are no lessons on morality, justice, honesty, or love. The only message of the Qur’an is to believe in Allah and his messenger." - Ali

- "I don’t exactly remember what wrote doubt in my mind. Maybe it is Lord Buddha and his teachings or a glance at Jesus and his sufferings…then quite shockingly I realized my beloved prophet is a misfit. He failed to show me anything other than the dark side of human nature." - Divyan

- "People who have not lived in Dar Al-Islam cannot and will not understand the level of indoctrination Muslims undergo for their entire lives…If you’ve never used your mind but rather simply lived under the culture of submission (“Islam” means “submission"), your ability to think withers." - Basharee

Reference: book "Why We left Islam"

The "god" of Muslims is revealed as a tyrant who demands Muslims and all others submit to him. Whereas in the New Testament, Jesus revealed to Christians a God who is a loving Father, who wants us to come to Him via free will. In the Old Testament (Exodus 34:6) the real God revealed Himself as "merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth". He is the Creator of the Universe, the God of Love, and Lord of Life. The God of Israel is this true God. He insists "Thou shall not kill the innocent and just". Have you ever wondered why even the word "love" is conspicuously missing from the Qur'an?

Is this Allah a loving God? Note how he threatens to cut off the heads and the finger tips of all those people who don't believe in him?

"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their fingertips off them." Qur'an 8:12

When a Muslim declares that Islam is a religion of peace, he/she is either ignorant of the Koran (Qur'an), or is deceitfully thinking of this "peace", as it extends only to those within the Muslim Community. The deceit is that they will not tell you exactly what they mean. According to the Qur'an: "Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.

Those who follow him are merciful to one another, but ruthless to unbelievers" Surah 48:29. "Kill the Mushrikun (unbelievers) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush..." Surah 9:5. Also see Surah 9:29: PICKTHAL: "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christians & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.". Please note that there is not a single verse in the entire Christian Bible that contains this "open-ended", universal command to kill/or be ruthless to unbelievers.

Surah 47:4 says:

Fa'idhā Laqītumu Al-Ladhīna Kafarū Fađarba Ar-Riqābi Ĥattaá 'Idhā 'Athkhantumūhum Fashuddū Al-Wathāqa Fa'immā Mannāan Ba`du Wa 'Immā Fidā'an Ĥattaá Tađa`a Al-Ĥarbu 'Awzārahā Dhālika Wa Law Yashā'u Allāhu Lāntaşara Minhum Wa Lakin Liyabluwa Ba`đakum Biba`đin Wa Al-Ladhīna Qutilū Fī Sabīli Allāhi Falan Yuđilla 'A`mālahum

which means

Therefore, WHEN YOU MEET THE UNBELIEVERS, SMITE AT THEIR NECKS; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

Many Quran translators have tried to soften the meaning in their translation by adding the words “in war” in brackets after the word “Unbelievers” but they are NOT there in the original Arabic text.

Then there is this. Muhammad produced this one to prompt those Muslims who knew in their hearts that killing innocent people is wrong: "Fighting is obligatory for you, as much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)

How could the Creator of this universe be so cruel? The Qur'an says its sadistic Allah tells Muslims to do all the following to unbelievers:

Kill unbelievers wherever they find them (Qur'an 2:191); murder them and treat them harshly (Qur'an 9:123); fight them (Qur'an 8:65) until no other religion than Islam is left (Qur'an 2:193); humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews (Qur'an 9:29); slay them if they are pagans (unbelievers) (Qur'an 9:5); crucify, or cut off their hands and feet, and expel them from the land in disgrace. Then there are these: Muslims are told that unbelievers "shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (Qur'an 5:34); not to befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Qur'an 3:28, 9:23); to kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud, and to "strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor" (Qur'an 25:52); and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Qur'an 47:4). This Allah says all those who do not believe will go to hell (Qur'an 5:11). And the sadism gets worse: "As for the unbelievers, for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Qur'an 22:9)

Allah - the Pagan god:

Islam, teaches that Jews and Christians both have earned the wrath of Allah by failing to follow Islam, and that they have also lost the way by following the teachings of the Torah for the Jews, or the Bible for Christians.

N2K

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:03 am

Just curious, N2K...and I know you are a devout person of strong Christian faith..who believe in your duty to spread the word of Jesus.

I honor and respect that, and certainly take no offense.

But most colleges these days offer Religious Studies Degrees.

Religious studies deals with the history, tradition and society of world religions as well as the diverse and divisive or unifying roles religion plays in modern society. Religious studies also explores the concepts, myths and symbolism behind religious texts, architecture and arts. Rituals, ethics and moral systems are all discussed in religion courses, along with the core beliefs of ancient civilizations and how those beliefs affect the present.

Part of the ongoing goal of studying world religions is viewing each respective philosophy and its beliefs from a global perspective. Much of the cultural symbolism and mythos in any area of the world derives from its primary religion and can be seen in art, music, literature and moral issues and affecting politics, economics, society and ethics. In a sense, religious studies is more of an examination of multiculturalism so much as it is a look at theological practices.

They use the Bible, the Tanakh, the Torah, the Qu'oran, Asian texts, etc.

I think it's important for a country who wants to be involved in global trade and economy to understand and respect...not ADOPT these ancient foundations, the current customs and practices, but understand and respect them when in THEIR country.

I think it even MORE important to understand them if we insist on 'spreading democracy' by policing the world through our military and occupying their land, as opposed to teaching, and aiding, and having them CHOOSE democracy

So here's my question. Have you ever read the Qu'oran, the Tanakh, the Torah,...as they are being studied in our Universities, not to learn and follow the teachings, but to just understand what's being taught?

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:28 am

K Hemingway wrote:

Just curious, N2K...and I know you are a devout person of strong Christian faith..who believe in your duty to spread the word of Jesus.

I honor and respect that, and certainly take no offense.

But most colleges these days offer Religious Studies Degrees.

Religious studies deals with the history, tradition and society of world religions as well as the diverse and divisive or unifying roles religion plays in modern society. Religious studies also explores the concepts, myths and symbolism behind religious texts, architecture and arts. Rituals, ethics and moral systems are all discussed in religion courses, along with the core beliefs of ancient civilizations and how those beliefs affect the present.

Part of the ongoing goal of studying world religions is viewing each respective philosophy and its beliefs from a global perspective. Much of the cultural symbolism and mythos in any area of the world derives from its primary religion and can be seen in art, music, literature and moral issues and affecting politics, economics, society and ethics. In a sense, religious studies is more of an examination of multiculturalism so much as it is a look at theological practices.

They use the Bible, the Tanakh, the Torah, the Qu'oran.

I think it's important for a country who wants to be involved in global trade and economy to understand and respect...not ADOPT these ancient foundations, the current customs and practices, but understand and respect them when in THEIR country.

I think it even MORE important to understand them if we insist on 'spreading democracy' by policing the world through our military and occupying their land, as opposed to teaching, and aiding, and having them CHOOSE democracy

So here's my question. Have you ever read the Qu'oran, the Tanakh, the Torah,...as they are being studied in our Universities, not to learn and follow the teachings, but to just understand what's being taught?

Yes, I have read through the Qu'oran, but not the Tanakh, and I studied the Torah extensively in my youth since I am Jewish (who has accepted the truth of our Messiah and realized some years ago that Jesus is the One and Only who was prophesied throughout the entire Old Testament - Torah). You can say I am a Jew born Anew Wink

I understand where you are coming from and I understand the differences between cultural understanding and commonalities and other views relating to that as oppposed to false doctrine and false teachings about the Creator of the Universe (God of Israel) and His Son, our Savior, Jesus Christ.

N2K

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:57 am

Need2Know wrote:

Thanks...the reason I asked is because I have been reading thru the Qu'oran as it's taught by the University of Southern Cal...http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/

I got interested in trying to understand...since Islam is both a religious and political belief...and we have so much invested in the region...blood of our brave men and women in uniform...our energy dependence to foreign oil, and close to a trillion in tax dollars that will be handed down to our children and grandchildren.

I also have been reading a lot of international news...and stories from Iraqi women and students.

And I haven't read any of the stuff that you quoted from the source, 'Why we left Islam'

I think we could find some internet sites about, for instance, 'Why I left the Catholic Church too' that might be a biased/distorted view of the Catholic Church's teachings too.

See what I mean?

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:58 am

K Hemenway wrote:

" ...I think it's important for a country who wants to be involved in global trade and economy to understand and respect...not ADOPT these ancient foundations, the current customs and practices, but understand and respect them when in THEIR country."

Yif wrote:

It is absolutely vital to American interests at home and abroad that we come to grips with the reality that we are but one country in the global community. If we want to use our might more appropriately, we need to be more people-friendly and people-respectful than we are at present. It is not all about us. It is about all of us.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:01 am

K Hemingway wrote:

Yep, there are sites for everything and some very, very sick ones indeed.

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:02 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

"use our might" is an interpretation used very often in these last eight years. The history of the United States and its military has been one of freedom fighter and peace KEEPER rather than the "imperialistic" nuances many American-hating countries want to insist upon labeling us as. Our history is one of great freedom, democracy and of HELPING other nations, not imosing our will and our "might" on them and truly, I am beginning to tire of that rhetoric.

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N2K

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:06 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

Yep, there are sites for everything and some very, very sick ones indeed.

Seek the truth, that is what we all must do, and also open your eyes to the reality in which we live. It is not all world love, peace and happiness and it is NOT the USA who actively pursues agression and violence to further their "cause" and beliefs.

N2K

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:14 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

Yep, there are sites for everything and some very, very sick ones indeed.

What is your response to this taken from the very text? Why not comment on this without parsing words?

Kill unbelievers wherever they find them (Qur'an 2:191); murder them and treat them harshly (Qur'an 9:123); fight them (Qur'an 8:65) until no other religion than Islam is left (Qur'an 2:193); humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews (Qur'an 9:29); slay them if they are pagans (unbelievers) (Qur'an 9:5); crucify, or cut off their hands and feet, and expel them from the land in disgrace. Then there are these: Muslims are told that unbelievers "shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (Qur'an 5:34); not to befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Qur'an 3:28, 9:23); to kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud, and to "strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor" (Qur'an 25:52); and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Qur'an 47:4). This Allah says all those who do not believe will go to hell (Qur'an 5:11). And the sadism gets worse: "As for the unbelievers, for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Qur'an 22:9)

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:15 am

Need2Know wrote:

"use our might" is an interpretation used very often in these last eight years. The history of the United States and its military has been one of freedom fighter and peace KEEPER rather than the "imperialistic" nuances many American-hating countries want to insisted upon labeling us as. Our history is one of great freedom, democracy and of HELPING other nations, not imosing our will and our "might" on them and truly, I am beginning to tire of that rhetoric.

This is the fundamental difference if the foreign policy platforms between the Republicans and Democrats.

Both parties are committed to spreading freedom and democracy around the world...but the have very different philosophies on HOW.

Read about the International Republican Institute here.
McCain is it's chairman.
http://www.iri.org/index.asp

The National Democratic Institute is here
Madeleine K. Albright, Chairman
http://www.ndi.org/

Look around the sites..and the differences become clear. Also look who is on the boards or advisers...these are people heavily involved in our politics and shaping foreign policy.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:17 am

Need2Know wrote:

-- until the last eight years, I would agree with you. During the cold war, Russia and the US were in a contest as to who could help a country more. Egypt is a good example of that, and they finally realized that America was their best hope and threw out the Russies. We made a mess with our help in Afghanistan which spawned the Taliban and rose Bin Ladin to leadership.

You might be tired of the rhetoric but what have we done in eight years of war in Iraq other than impose our wishes, our will, and our might on them. Bush wanted to topple Hussein. Cheney wanted contracts for Halliburton. Bush, Cheney, and the military industrial complex wanted a foothold in the oil fields. What is magnanimous about our illegal intervention in that country?

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:23 am

Need2Know wrote:

I think it's prudent to understand the different ideologies that eventually
sprouted into our real enemy, al Al-Qaeda, which is based on the Islamic fundamentalism of Sunni Islam

We have some extreme fundamentalist groups that sprouted from Christianity too. Think FLDS. Laughing

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:25 am

K Hemingway wrote:

Need2Know wrote:

"use our might" is an interpretation used very often in these last eight years. The history of the United States and its military has been one of freedom fighter and peace KEEPER rather than the "imperialistic" nuances many American-hating countries want to insisted upon labeling us as. Our history is one of great freedom, democracy and of HELPING other nations, not imosing our will and our "might" on them and truly, I am beginning to tire of that rhetoric.

And you and every other American needs to choose and decide for themselves which one of these idealogies to follow. If you are a student of Bible truths and its history and of the very real and proven prophesies of the prophets of the Old Testament, you will understand that what you see and what has happened is only the beginning of what is to come. As I wrote in the beginning of the Bible Prophecy thread I started and want to continue writing in. As Ripley would say, "believe it, or not", but look at it without blinders and without a prejudgmental attitude:

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all agrument, and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is condemnation before investigation.

--Edmund Spencer

Bible prophecy suffers as much from its enthusiasts as it does from it detractors. Too often, prophetic studies suffer from inadequate scholarship, fanciful conjectures and contrived conclusions. However, this particular review springs from two astonishing discoveries:

1. The collection of sixty-six books that we traditionally call the Bible, even though penned by more than forty authors over a period of several thousand years, is an integrated message system. More than just thematically, the various texts evidence a skillful craftsmanship, in which virtually every place, every name, every detail, even the hidden structures lying beneath the texts (the figures of speech, signs and sememes used by the different writers), bear testimony to an overriding systematic design; a design that vastly transcends the insights of the individual contributors. This integrity of design yields the second discovery.

2. The source of this message system had to originate from outside the domain of time itself. We find history written before it happens. Allusions throughout the texts reveal an anticipation of pivotal events long before they are realized. And the very presence of these passages raise profound insights about the reality we live in.

Setting aside many controversial pointss of view, it appears that we are presently being plunged into a period of time that the Bible says more about than any other period of history--including the events of the New Testament.

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:26 am

K Hemingway wrote:

There is no comparison.

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:31 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

Iraq all started here....way before 9/11.
Iraqi National Congress
The Iraqi National Congress (INC) is an umbrella Iraqi opposition group led by Ahmed Chalabi. It was formed with the aid and direction of the United States government following the Gulf War, for the purpose of fomenting the overthrow of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

Notice the deep involvement of the CIA.
This is part of the Institute Republican Institute philosophy.
McCain, Lieberman and Chalabi. Look who else was involved...McCain's current foreign policy advisors and lobbyists, Charlie Black and Randy Scheuneman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_National_Congress

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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:34 am

Need2Know wrote:

There is no comparison.

N2K....I think there is some comparison.

When it comes to respect for women and young girls, there doesn't seem to be any.

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:34 am

AC wrote:

N2K....I think there is some comparison.

When it comes to respect for women and young girls, there doesn't seem to be any.

Yes, but that is not what I meant.

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:36 am

Need2Know wrote:

There is no comparison.

They're both fundamentalist break off sects of religions. I would say the FLDS also believes it has it's own law.

My point is...Islam is not the same as al Queda. A Sunni is not a Shia.
An radical extremist is an radical extremist.

These sects DON'T make up the majority of the Muslim Community.

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K Hemingway

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:38 am

From the USC Studies

Ten Misconceptions About Islam

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/misconceptions.html#HEADING1

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pax

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:39 am

N2K, what's your interpretation of the Sermon on the Mount? To me it means help the poor and sick, judge not lest ye be judged, blessed are the peacemakers, and don't bear false witness. To me, it's the core spirit of Jesus' teachings, which are not owned by a political party. JMO.

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Need2Know

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:41 am

K Hemingway wrote:

Is this not in their "holy book?" Do they only take bits and pieces of it as their beliefs or do you want to believe only what suits your understanding of this?

Kill unbelievers wherever they find them (Qur'an 2:191); murder them and treat them harshly (Qur'an 9:123); fight them (Qur'an 8:65) until no other religion than Islam is left (Qur'an 2:193); humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax if they are Christians or Jews (Qur'an 9:29); slay them if they are pagans (unbelievers) (Qur'an 9:5); crucify, or cut off their hands and feet, and expel them from the land in disgrace. Then there are these: Muslims are told that unbelievers "shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (Qur'an 5:34); not to befriend their own fathers or brothers if they are not believers (Qur'an 3:28, 9:23); to kill their own family in the battles of Badr and Uhud, and to "strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor" (Qur'an 25:52); and be stern with them because they belong to hell (Qur'an 47:4). This Allah says all those who do not believe will go to hell (Qur'an 5:11). And the sadism gets worse: "As for the unbelievers, for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Qur'an 22:9)

What is unclear about this? This is what they consume, day in and day out. The entire Islamic/Muslim community follows the Qur'an, does it not? You see how taking the parts that are not offensive takes away from the whole? Where is the condemnation from ALL Arab nations if this is not what they believe? Come on now, let's get real here.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:43 am

So what are you saying, that all Muslims are the scum of the earth? Don't try to understand their culture, just denounce them all and pat yourself on the back. Sad

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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:47 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

So what are you saying, that all Muslims are the scum of the earth? Don't try to understand their culture, just denounce them all and pat yourself on the back. Sad

I don't feel that way at all. There are extremists in all religions, IMO.

As far as Obama, I question his foreign policy experience and at this point, if he was running against Palin, I would probably vote for her.

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Katie

Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:49 am

K Hemingway wrote:

FDLS has nothing on these: Army of God, The Lambs of Christ, Aryan Nations~ Church of Jesus Christ-Christian, Christian Patriots, Ku Klux Klan are proponents of a fundamentalist Christian theology strongly influenced by Christian Reconstructionism, those are just but a few.

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