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woebedamned
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| K Hemingway wrote: |
'Being part of history in the making' is not why I'm voting for him, or why everyone I talk to is voting for him. I'm sure there are some who are voting soley to part of history in the making"....but I wouldn't characterize it as a LOT. |
IF I vote for him, it wont be to be a part of history, that's for sure. As I have said many times, I dont think EITHER man is fit for the job, so most likely my vote will be to vote against someone, rather than for someone. Im still watching to see how things play out over the next few months, but so far, I'm just not impressed with the choices presented.
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| K Hemingway
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| woebedamned wrote: |
IF I vote for him, it wont be to be a part of history, that's for sure. As I have said many times, I dont think EITHER man is fit for the job, so most likely my vote will be to vote against someone, rather than for someone. Im still watching to see how things play out over the next few months, but so far, I'm just not impressed with the choices presented. |
Fair enough. 
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| Need2Know
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| woebedamned wrote: |
IF I vote for him, it wont be to be a part of history, that's for sure. As I have said many times, I dont think EITHER man is fit for the job, so most likely my vote will be to vote against someone, rather than for someone. Im still watching to see how things play out over the next few months, but so far, I'm just not impressed with the choices presented. |
I am with you woe. I still think that Pailin was a good choice compared to every other inbred Washington politician out there.
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| dithers
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The fact that the libs are spending so much time dissing Palin tells me they're scared to death of her. Ha! I'm lovin' it.
And this phony-baloney scare tactic that she'll be a heartbeat from the Presidency. Well, that crackpot California socialist Nancy Pelosi is only two heartbeats from the Presidency - no matter which side wins. Now that's something to worry about.
Yesterday our naval-gazing self-important MSM splashed the Palin daughter pregnancy all over their pages and the airwaves. Today we're treated to the picture of the 17 year old father. Mark my words. This is going to explode - only backward from what they intend. Most of America - the silent ones - they are going to be angry and there is going to be a bigtime backlash.
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| Phantom
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Patronizing Or Pandering (Dems Palin Hypocrisy)
Since John McCain’s announcement of Sarah Palin as his choice for VP, we have been assaulted with a disgusting display of hypocrisy by the Democrats and their mouth pieces, the MSM. One would have hoped at the beginning of the Twenty First Century, the boorish sexism of the 40’s and 50’s would no longer be on display.
How many years of executive experience as governor or mayor is sufficient to qualify a person as ready to be president of the US? Two years, four years, eight years? It appears that neither Barack Obama, Joseph Biden or Hillary Clinton ever served as governor or mayor of any jurisdiction. Yet the Democrat Party was ready to consider a woman as President in Hillary Clinton who has arguably less experience than Sarah Palin in running a government bureaucracy. Hillary Clinton has zero foreign relations experience as well unless you want to count that faux sniper story landing in Bosnia or some such place. If anyone is going to claim Hillary has foreign policy and executive experience due to her being first lady, you should be laughed out of the room and worse, you open the door for her to accept equal blame for the Clinton Administration’s foreign policy disasters. It wasn’t because the world loved us that we were attacked around ten times or that they conceived, plotted, trained and financed the 911 attacks DURING the Clinton Administration. It certainly wasn’t respect the US earned either given Osama Bin Laden’s comments after Somalia.
When we look at the qualifications between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama we see that she clearly has more experience as US Senator and legislative accomplishments than him. However, having said this, the Democrat Party did not nominate Hillary Clinton, a woman, but Barack Obama, a man. It appears on the surface a pattern is developing, one of patronizing women by finding some excuse to say they are not ready or maybe the reality is the Democrat Party is not ready for a woman President.
Claiming Palin is not ready to be President is sheer hypocrisy on the Democrats part since clearly Obama is even LESS qualified than Palin. What this really says is the Democrat party has been patronizing to women for years with absolutely NO intent on treating them equals. Therefore the reason why Hillary Clinton did not get the Democrat nomination is strictly due to SEXISM. It’s time for the Democrat party to fish or cut bait, EITHER women are EQUAL to men or they are SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. Which is it? John McCain and the GOP BELIEVE that WOMEN are EQUAL and this was demonstrated by his choice. The fact that Palin thanked Ferraro as being the first woman ever to be nominated as VP shows she has class versus the MSM and Democrats who demonstrated they do not. Ferraro when interviewed by Sheppard Smith of FNC even said no Democrat ever (in over 20 years!) thanked her publicly as Palin did. What experience did Geraldine Ferraro have when she was the first woman nominated as VP? More or less than Palin? So was it pandering when John McCain nominated Sarah Palin as VP in 2008? Careful how you answer that and consider this? So was it pandering when Mondale nominated Ferraro in 1984 during the period of the Cold War?
Democrats have every right to disagree with Palin on the ISSUES, however you may NOT disqualify her service BECAUSE she is a WOMAN. The fact that the MSM (the mouth piece of the Democrat Party) has shamefully made her gender an issue by using the liberal code word of INEXPERIENCED speaks to their hypocrisy. You don’t like her stand on guns, fine, say so. You don’t like her stand on abortion, fine, say so. You don’t like her stand on Global Warming, fine, say so. BUT YOU MAY NOT DISQUALIFY HER BASED ON HER GENDER. I am calling out the Democrats and MSM on this ugly subtle form of sexist discrimination using liberal CODE WORDS like INEXPERIENCED. These ad homen attacks on Sarah Palin as a woman suggest something else as well, it suggests that Democrats also fear the conservative issues she represents and which the majority of the country holds.
While Obama and Biden put out a joint statement congratulating Mrs Palin for her selection as the Republican VP, this was only after the liberal code word of inexperience started flying around from their own campaign staff. It seems Obama has honed the art of the surrogate attack quite well. So once the classless behavior of denigrating Palin as a woman was reacted to and Obama’s political handlers thought better of the tactic, they decided it would be better politically if they had the MSM as their surrogates do it instead. Of course the MSM being the mouth pieces of the Democrat Party were dutiful in their spin by claiming John McCain, the very old white guy is ready to drop dead any day now (inferring age, another form of discrimination) would put Sarah Palin, mother of five children as president of the US. Could the MSM be any more patronizing and condescending to women? I don’t know about you, but I would put my trust in a person who walks the talk verus an empty suit like Obama who just talks.
So who is pandering and who is patronizing? Anyone who claims Govenor Sarah Palin is inexperienced is just plain SEXIST since Obama and Biden have zero executive experience running a bureaucracy and they have no noteworthy foreign policy experience as well. What’s Joseph Biden’s claim to foreign policy experience? The idiotic idea of partitioning Iraq. If the qualification for president is a simple matter of experience, then any Democrat who votes for the Obama/Biden ticket is a SEXIST!
http://conservablogs.com/publiusforum/2008/09/01/patronizing-or-pandering/
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| dithers
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The Dems made a major, major strategical error in nominating Obama.
The ticket should have been Clinton/OBama and would have been unbeatable. And after two Hillary terms the office would probably have Obama's for the taking. The GOP had been resigned for years to the fact that Hillary was inevitable and looked upon McCain as Bob Dole redux.
But what the GOP has now is a base that is so energized in it's opposition to Obama that odds are looking very good they will the election.
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| Katie
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| dithers wrote: | The fact that the libs are spending so much time dissing Palin tells me they're scared to death of her. Ha! I'm lovin' it.
And this phony-baloney scare tactic that she'll be a heartbeat from the Presidency. Well, that crackpot California socialist Nancy Pelosi is only two heartbeats from the Presidency - no matter which side wins. Now that's something to worry about.
Yesterday our naval-gazing self-important MSM splashed the Palin daughter pregnancy all over their pages and the airwaves. Today we're treated to the picture of the 17 year old father. Mark my words. This is going to explode - only backward from what they intend. Most of America - the silent ones - they are going to be angry and there is going to be a bigtime backlash. |
Yesterday I would agree as I was disgusted by all the rumors about Palin not really being Trigs mother and implying that her daughter was. It was shameful to say the least.
Now Palin gave a statement informing the public that her teenage daughter is indeed pregnant and plans to marry the father of her baby all to dispel the rumors regarding Trig. Her daughters pregnancy should not be a factor on whether she is qualified to be VP but her circumstances should have people a little worried.
Palin is 44 married with 5 children that in itself is a big responsibility, but with one of those children being a special needs infant it makes her situation even more difficult and now on top of that she is to be a grandmother.
Her oldest daughter is going to need even more support now. Any parent whether male or female who has family values would have taken a leave of absence to support her family not put an even extra work load that will keep her apart from her family. Sarah Palin didn't even take a short pregnancy leave to bond with her infant.
Family Values I don't think so.
McCain you showed poor judgment in your pick and your running mate showed even less.
Doctar I was upset with you yesterday but now I see your point.
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| woebedamned
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Palin is 44 married with 5 children that in itself is a big responsibility, but with one of those children being a special needs infant it makes her situation even more difficult and now on top of that she is to be a grandmother
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Just curious, but if it were a man in this position, would it be ok for him to take on big responsibilities?
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| Katie
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:49 am |
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| woebedamned wrote: | Palin is 44 married with 5 children that in itself is a big responsibility, but with one of those children being a special needs infant it makes her situation even more difficult and now on top of that she is to be a grandmother
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Heck no I would question the mans family values too, actually I'd think he was a pig to leave his wife alone with all those responsibilities.
Palin has a major family crisis now and taking on an extra work load right now is not in the best interest of her family imo.
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| Phantom
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:50 am |
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Why isn't a similar question being asked about the Obama family. They have 2 kids, and both parents work.
Are the Obama kids getting enough attention from their parents?
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| woebedamned
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| Phantom wrote: | Why isn't a similar question being asked about the Obama family. They have 2 kids, and both parents work.
Are the Obama kids getting enough attention from their parents? |
I guess that was my point. I know many families in the same situation as the Palin's...and both parents work in demanding jobs. That's the American way these days. I know many mom's who would LOVE to be stay at home mom's, but with things the way they are, it ain't happening. Used be we worked to live, now we live to work.
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| dithers
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:03 am |
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Wait a second here. We're worried over the very personal decision of what a family does to meet these very personal family challenges? To tell the truth, Palin will probably have more time as VP to spend with family than she does as Gov. Please, come on folks, let's get real. And as VP she'll have household staff, etc. etc.
It's strange how some very undeserving people are lionized - like Ted Kennedy who left a young woman to drown and Bill Clinton - a sitting President (as well as being an attorney) who lied to a Grand Jury and this simple woman is being dragged over the coals for not taking family leave. Good grief. Talk about micro-managing someone else's business.
Maybe the family couldn't afford to be without the loss of income - did you ever think of that?
Anyway, I think we don't have enough to worry about if we're worrying over why or why not Sarah Palin did or did not take a leave of absence or took on more responsibility. Good grief. No wonder there has never been a woman President. This kind of thinking sets women back decades.
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| Phantom
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:06 am |
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| dithers wrote: | Maybe the family couldn't afford to be without the loss of income - did you ever think of that?
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Which is probably ALLOT less than the $4,000,000 a year that the Obama's earn.
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| apodixis
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| woebedamned wrote: | Palin is 44 married with 5 children that in itself is a big responsibility, but with one of those children being a special needs infant it makes her situation even more difficult and now on top of that she is to be a grandmother
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On her salary as VEEP she could afford to hire the best of Nannies.
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| woebedamned
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:46 am |
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On her salary as VEEP she could afford to hire the best of Nannies. |
Yep. I dont have any issue at all with her being a mother and VEEP. Heck the Kennedy's had young children, was he wrong to take the office of POTUS?
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| dithers
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| woebedamned wrote: | Palin is 44 married with 5 children that in itself is a big responsibility, but with one of those children being a special needs infant it makes her situation even more difficult and now on top of that she is to be a grandmother
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After Joe Biden's wife and infant daughter were killed in a car accident he was left with two infant sons. He did not take leave of absence or take a job that would keep him at home in Delaware. In fact, he took his oath of office to the Senate in his son's hospital room. If my memory serves me correctly, just a few weeks ago we were applauding this history with cheers and tears in our eyes.
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| K Hemingway
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Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:14 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Yep. I dont have any issue at all with her being a mother and VEEP. Heck the Kennedy's had young children, was he wrong to take the office of POTUS? |
I don't either. It's their family, their decisions. While I don't agree with her politics...I have no reason to doubt her ability as a mom. The pregnancy thing happens in a lot of families. Kids aren't perfect and neither are parents.
Who is the public to judge about personal/private family decisions in the political discussion if they really aren't relevant to the ability to do the job?
I wish the press would drop the issue...but I think the short vetting process, and troopergate is fair game when looking at decision making and judgement...
One thing I DO find rather condescending as a professional woman, is the media talking about...Biden will have to be gentle with her.
Why..simply because she's a woman? That kinda bugs me. Different treatment based soly on gender.
But I know how it would play in the media, and I'm sure Biden WILL be gentle.
It still bugs me. 
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| Phantom
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| woebedamned
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My personal opinion is I dont care WHO is nominated for what, or how well vetted they are, there will be something from their past that will come back to haunt them. Most of it I dont pay much attention to, because I find it takes away from the real issues. Like I said, I am disgusted with all the crap being dug up and flung from both sides. 99% of is meant to distract from the real problems which neither side has solutions for.
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| apodixis
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That’s why it is important to register to vote as an “independent” and to vote for third parties as a matter of principle, so that the DemoPublicans get the idea that we are not decieved by their political “duopoly”.
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| Need2Know
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| woebedamned wrote: | | My personal opinion is I dont care WHO is nominated for what, or how well vetted they are, there will be something from their past that will come back to haunt them. Most of it I dont pay much attention to, because I find it takes away from the real issues. Like I said, I am disgusted with all the crap being dug up and flung from both sides. 99% of is meant to distract from the real problems which neither side has solutions for. |
I disagree that ALL of it is a distraction. We all need to do our homework about both of these candidates. It is as if they are interviewing and we are the ones making the hiring decision. Would you discout everything from their past or their present associations, views and policy agendas?
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| K Hemingway
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| apodixis wrote: | | That’s why it is important to register to vote as an “independent” and to vote for third parties as a matter of principle, so that the DemoPublicans get the idea that we are not decieved by their political “duopoly”. |
I'm going to register as an independent AFTER this election. This is my Republican protest vote.
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| K Hemingway
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| Need2Know wrote: |
I disagree that ALL of it is a distraction. We all need to do our homework about both of these candidates. It is as if they are interviewing and we are the ones making the hiring decision. Would you discout everything from their past or their present associations, views and policy agendas? |
I think careful independent research into present associations, views and policy agendas is a responsibility every voter should strive to do.
JMHO
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| woebedamned
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| Need2Know wrote: |
I disagree that ALL of it is a distraction. We all need to do our homework about both of these candidates. It is as if they are interviewing and we are the ones making the hiring decision. Would you discout everything from their past or their present associations, views and policy agendas? |
If it matters, of course not. But what does it matter if a spouse had a DUI 22 years ago? What does it matter if their kids made an error in judgement? I dont care if Obama tried pot or cocain in his youth, I care about his decisions as an adult. There is NO perfect person out their.
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| pax
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| woebedamned wrote: | | My personal opinion is I dont care WHO is nominated for what, or how well vetted they are, there will be something from their past that will come back to haunt them. Most of it I dont pay much attention to, because I find it takes away from the real issues. Like I said, I am disgusted with all the crap being dug up and flung from both sides. 99% of is meant to distract from the real problems which neither side has solutions for. |
A younger person told me last week, 'voting is the least you do as a citizen in a free country, not the most'. That gave me some hope for the future. 
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