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katya
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Thu May 11, 2006 1:32 am |
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I'm Late but this rocks, VC and Joe!!
Now I have to go back a read it all.
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| charlierat
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| Siddalee wrote: | | Hannah wrote: | | charlierat wrote: | | rohn wrote: | | The second was that JT says, having read the statements, that the Kalpoes identified the two security guards as having worked at the Holiday Inn that night. I always thought that there was no identification of the two from any of the three, but apparently the Kalpoes did ID the minority African American Black persons of colour. |
Rohn, I promise I'm not trying to nit-pick here and honestly the same thing about the Kalpoes jumped out at me, too.
But Johns and Jones are not African Americans. |
When I went to school, pre PC, they would have been considered members of the negro race. |
Sometimes trying to be "politically correct" causes errors, I think they are Afro-Arubans. |
Yes, that was my point. Not Afro-Americans; Afro-Arubans.
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| CancunMole
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:06 am |
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| victims cry wrote: | I finally had a chance to slowly read Joe's answers (i wanted to get them posted as soon as possible)
A few things that struck me on second reading.
-I loved his comment regarding KJ not even following up comments even "an amateur prosecutor" would.
-He has flatly said he will not bow out after the 17th come what may.
-The tape is real
-reiterated no such statement.
-the 2 security guards were not innocents (which we knew, but its nice to have it again) and it was only that K2 said these two were working at the HI that night.
Now we know they weren't working there, but had lost their jobs. Im curious as to whether Deepak or satish were aware of their illegal activities before hand, which is why they said these two were the ones working there. |
victims cry: What a great idea you had to request this interview. It is much appreciated.
On what is bolded above: IIRC, both of these guys still were working for the Company that had the security contract at the Allegra rennovation but the contract had been cancelled and they would be out of work soon. I got this impression from an interview early on with MJ's female attorney (she was appointed after it was determined that both guys could not be represented by Chris L.) and his mother. The mother stated that MJ was home asleep that Monday morning and that she had woken him for work. Also in that interview (can't find it of course), the mother stated that MJ was at the HI until midnight visiting friends. Anyone else remember this?
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| RatPatrol
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:43 am |
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| katya wrote: | I'm Late but this rocks, VC and Joe!!
Now I have to go back a read it all. |
Well, you may be late but I'm really late!
Excellent idea and an excellent interview.
Thanks VC. Thanks Joe T.
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| Glenda
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Thu May 11, 2006 6:53 am |
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| charlierat wrote: | | Siddalee wrote: | | Hannah wrote: | | charlierat wrote: | | rohn wrote: | | The second was that JT says, having read the statements, that the Kalpoes identified the two security guards as having worked at the Holiday Inn that night. I always thought that there was no identification of the two from any of the three, but apparently the Kalpoes did ID the minority African American Black persons of colour. |
Rohn, I promise I'm not trying to nit-pick here and honestly the same thing about the Kalpoes jumped out at me, too.
But Johns and Jones are not African Americans. |
When I went to school, pre PC, they would have been considered members of the negro race. |
Sometimes trying to be "politically correct" causes errors, I think they are Afro-Arubans. |
Yes, that was my point. Not Afro-Americans; Afro-Arubans. |
Aruba is color blind, no clear distinction between black and white, shoot - Aruba didn't even notice that the Joran look alike wasn't a look alike at all. 
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| jacqueline
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Thu May 11, 2006 7:14 am |
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| RatPatrol wrote: | | katya wrote: | I'm Late but this rocks, VC and Joe!!
Now I have to go back a read it all. |
Well, you may be late but I'm really late!
Excellent idea and an excellent interview.
Thanks VC. Thanks Joe T.
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And I am extremely late in offering my congratulations on a very well done and professional interview VC.
Thank you for taking the time to do this and I would like to thank Joe Tacopina for also taking the time out of his busy schedule to respond to your questions.
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| charlierat
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Thu May 11, 2006 7:23 am |
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| Glenda wrote: | | Aruba is color blind, no clear distinction between black and white, shoot - Aruba didn't even notice that the Joran look alike wasn't a look alike at all. |
Absolutely! Thank you, Glenda. I only brought it up because I was amused by the use of the word "American."
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| Heli
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Thu May 11, 2006 7:55 am |
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| charlierat wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | Aruba is color blind, no clear distinction between black and white, shoot - Aruba didn't even notice that the Joran look alike wasn't a look alike at all. |
Absolutely! Thank you, Glenda. I only brought it up because I was amused by the use of the word "American." |
I find it almost painfully funny if not disgustingly funny that Mickey John and Abraham Jones have been referred to by Beth Twitty and american cable news media as african americans and more recently as "minority" security guards.   The only characterization that was accurrate was "black security guards".
Yet, I believe in the Aruban context, none of those descriptions is remotely appropriate. African american and minority are simply wrong.
And would I be correct that any reference to "black" people in Aruba doesn't exist?
For all the xenophobia demonstrated by "the family" and cable news media it's always seemed so blatantly ridiculous and downright ignorant that none of them over time seems to have clued in to the realities that exist in Aruba. 
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| Glenda
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| Heli wrote: | | charlierat wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | Aruba is color blind, no clear distinction between black and white, shoot - Aruba didn't even notice that the Joran look alike wasn't a look alike at all. |
Absolutely! Thank you, Glenda. I only brought it up because I was amused by the use of the word "American." |
I find it almost painfully funny if not disgustingly funny that Mickey John and Abraham Jones have been referred to by Beth Twitty and american cable news media as african americans and more recently as "minority" security guards. The only characterization that was accurrate was "black security guards".
Yet, I believe in the Aruban context, none of those descriptions is remotely appropriate. African american and minority are simply wrong.
And would I be correct that any reference to "black" people in Aruba doesn't exist?
For all the xenophobia demonstrated by "the family" and cable news media it's always seemed so blatantly ridiculous and downright ignorant that none of them over time seems to have clued in to the realities that exist in Aruba. |
Was race a factor in Aruba arrests?
Answer depends on nationality, culture
By Christy Oglesby
CNN
Wednesday, June 15, 2005 Posted: 7:23 PM EDT (2323 GMT)
[an excerpt from the report:]
Noriana Pietersz, Mickey John's lawyer, said she did not believe race played a role in her client's arrest, and she said locals did not make that assumption.
"The people locally were surprised that after [police briefly detained] the three persons last seen with her, they finish [by] coming up with a detention of two security guards," Pietersz said.
"People thought that they should have focused the investigation on the three persons that were last seen with Natalee," Pietersz said.
"As an intelligent person, I refuse to believe that the racial issue is penetrated in our judicial system."
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| charlierat
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Thu May 11, 2006 8:04 am |
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| Heli wrote: | | For all the xenophobia demonstrated by "the family" and cable news media it's always seemed so blatantly ridiculous and downright ignorant that none of them over time seems to have clued in to the realities that exist in Aruba. |
Aint that the truth. They are as clueless today as they were on May 30th of last year.
When reality doesn't match what you've already made your mind up about, you can either change your mind or you can just ignore reality and resort to truthiness. Guess we know which version the family chose.
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| rohn
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Thu May 11, 2006 8:09 am |
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| charlierat wrote: | | rohn wrote: | | The second was that JT says, having read the statements, that the Kalpoes identified the two security guards as having worked at the Holiday Inn that night. I always thought that there was no identification of the two from any of the three, but apparently the Kalpoes did ID the minority African American Black persons of colour. |
Rohn, I promise I'm not trying to nit-pick here and honestly the same thing about the Kalpoes jumped out at me, too.
But Johns and Jones are not African Americans. |
Yeah, I know. I was being sarcastic. I think Beth called them African Americans once. I should have indicated that. 
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| Hannie
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Thu May 11, 2006 10:35 am |
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| Quote: | VC quote:
Amazing that an attorney of his caliber would take the time to respond to a message boards interview questions. |
The couple of times I send him an email, he also responded at once, and as I understand it, he did that with other people who send him emails also.
So i guess that says alot about him! He`s great, and i`m glad he will be in it to the end!
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| ASTLemieux245
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Thu May 11, 2006 12:43 pm |
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i agree, amazing interview. well thought-out questions, and quite solid answers. you can tell that he believes his client ( i do too) and will do anything to clear his name.
well done!!
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Thu May 11, 2006 12:48 pm |
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| HannieC wrote: | | Quote: | VC quote:
Amazing that an attorney of his caliber would take the time to respond to a message boards interview questions. |
The couple of times I send him an email, he also responded at once, and as I understand it, he did that with other people who send him emails also.
So i guess that says alot about him! He`s great, and i`m glad he will be in it to the end! |
I sent him an email including Beth's interview and received a reply in less than an hour.
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| Jonathan
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Here's some of the questions I'd like to see Joe answer:
1. Originally Joran told Charles Croes, and the police, that he took Natalee to the lighthouse. Now he is saying he didn't. Why did he lie about that?
2. If Joran took Natalee to his house as he now claims, why did all three of the suspects leave that out of their original story?
3. Why did Joran falsely claim to Charles Croes, and the police, that the girl he gambled with in the casino was Natalee, when in fact it was Ruth McVay, who looks nothing like Natalee?
4. Joran said the reason he didn't go back for his shoes is that he didn't want to encounter Natalee again. But according to Joran's story his shoes weren't with Natalee, they were back at the Marriott, which Satish would have passed while driving him home. So why didn't Joran just ask Satish to stop at the Marriott so he could retrieve his shoes?
5. One of Natalee's friends, Alana Jordan, says that she and two other MB students spoke to Natalee when she was walking with Joran outside CnCs, and that Natalee pointed to another MB group catching taxis up ahead, and said she was going with them. Does Joran dispute that?
6. If not, why were Joran and Natalee walking up the street towards where the MB students were catching cabs, if the car was parked right behind CnCs as Joran stated?
7. In Deepak's June 9 statement, he said that after Natalee got in the car, Joran told Deepak in Papiamento to drive around, and he then drove in circles around the block. Does Joran dispute that?
8. If not, and if as Joran claims Natalee told him before they left the bar that she wanted Joran to take her to his home, and he hoped to have sex with her, why did Joran want to drive around in circles, instead of going straight home with her?
9. Is it true, as Deepak reportedly said in a June 11 statement, that in the car Satish put on a porno DVD, Natalee said "Oh my God, what is that", Deepak said "Now she's going to think we're perverts", and after a while Joran told Satish, "Turn it off, she's seen enough"?
10. If so, why did Joran not mention this incident of Natalee becoming upset over the porno, either originally or in his interviews??
11. Is Joran still claiming, as he did to Charles Croes, that Natalee performed oral sex on him in the car, or did that disappear along with the lighthouse trip?
12. If he's not still claiming that, then why did he lie about it?
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Hey Shiz, I know your opinion is probably not popular here, but since we welcome all points of view...I'm happy to see you back.
I like hearing questions from "the other side"....
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| antoinette
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[quote="Shizaru"]Here's some of the questions I'd like to see Joe answer:
1. 2. 3. 4.5. 6.7. 8.9.10. 11.12.
Shirazu :
Why you complicate yourself.
Joran and the Kalpoe Bros took her around.
They went to show his house but MO is that if she was a bit too noisy, he did not want to disturb the peace.
Joran said that it was for one of the girls, he did not even know Natalee’s name or Kathleen. If you see the video they are not even close.
What the shoes have to do in the story? For you and me they are important. If you are walking in the sea side, you are not very comfortable with your running shoes or sandals. I just can imagine the kid wanting to run away from Natalee..
You see? not even her friends made her change her mind; imagine Joran trying to bring her back to the hotel???
Joran and the Kalpoe Bros asked her, if she wanted to go with her friends and she refused.
Joran did not care about going around the block Natalee was having fun performing oral, I had seen only few men that will complain about this.
It is the first time that I heard about the porn video in the car.. I heard that when Joran arrived to his house he went to porn site…
I believe the case has enough incidents do not start the gossip about the dvd in the car and Natalee praying at that time…
just KISS =keep it simple s
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| Jonathan
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| Quote: | Shirazu :
Why you complicate yourself.
Joran and the Kalpoe Bros took her around.
They went to show his house but MO is that if she was a bit too noisy, he did not want to disturb the peace. |
That doesn't answer the question. Why hide that they took her to his house?
| Quote: | | Joran said that it was for one of the girls, he did not even know Natalee’s name or Kathleen. If you see the video they are not even close. |
Joran claimed at first, before he knew there was video, that the girl he gambled with was Natalee:
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say whether he knew Natalee from any earlier experience?
C. CROES: Yes, he did.
VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say?
C. CROES: He said that he had been gambling and that he met Natalee. And Natalee told him that she had lost some money and was trying to recuperate it before she went home. And he apparently was a good poker player, or blackjack player, whatever it is, and that he helped her recoup some of her monies, and gave it back to her. And she then considered him her lucky charm.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html
| Quote: | | What the shoes have to do in the story? |
His explanation for why he left them behind doesn't make sense. As I said, he didn't have to encounter Natalee again to get them.
| Quote: | | For you and me they are important. If you are walking in the sea side, you are not very comfortable with your running shoes or sandals. I just can imagine the kid wanting to run away from Natalee.. |
I can imagine him running away from her too... in a panic after he killed her, leaving the shoes behind.
| Quote: | | You see? not even her friends made her change her mind; imagine Joran trying to bring her back to the hotel??? |
I think that Joran had to imagine trying to bring her back to the hotel, because it never happened.
| Quote: | | Joran and the Kalpoe Bros asked her, if she wanted to go with her friends and she refused. |
So they claim. Even if true, doesn't mean she was expecting anything other than a ride back to the hotel.
| Quote: | | Joran did not care about going around the block Natalee was having fun performing oral. I had seen only few men that will complain about this. |
It is very unlikely that a religeous girl who had no history of promiscuity, in fact who was described by a friend in her FBI statement as the least experienced with boys of all her friends, would consent to performing oral sex on someone she had only known for 90 minutes, while alone in a moving vehicle with him and and his two male buddies. If there was any oral performed, I believe it was not consensual and Natalee was not "having fun". Furthermore Joran told Greta that he and Natalee kissed during the ride from CnC to his house, without indicating there was anything more, so who knows if oral sex is still part of his story. Even in his first story I do not think he claimed she performed oral immediately, he said it was after some conversation, on the way to the lighthouse that he now says they never went to.
| Quote: | It is the first time that I heard about the porn video in the car.. I heard that when Joran arrived to his house he went to porn site…
I believe the case has enough incidents do not start the gossip about the dvd in the car and Natalee praying at that time… |
I don't know if the porn video story is true, that it is why it is one of the questions... however the excerpt from Deepak's polis statement containing that info comes from the same source for the polis van recording tscript that has proved to be legit.
| Quote: | | just KISS =keep it simple |
Simple: Lying to police multiple times = something to hide
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| yankee-in-france
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OK, I'll bite, then what is Beth hiding? We all know how many times she has lied. So, Shizaru, what is Beth hiding? I haven't seen her do an interview where the questions weren't 'prescreened' --- so, out with it, what is Beth hiding????????
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| yankee-in-france
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Come on, you can do it, tell us what Beth is hiding? Why has she lied to the world from the very moment she knew Natalee went off?
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What did Beth mean with the 'Call Me Hootie' poster, you know the words, 'We Can Work it Out'. Give us a break, Shiz, there are more lies from Beth Twitty than anyone in this case.
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| Honey
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| Shizaru wrote: | Here's some of the questions I'd like to see Joe answer:
1. Originally Joran told Charles Croes, and the police, that he took Natalee to the lighthouse. Now he is saying he didn't. Why did he lie about that? |
Don't confuse Charles' statements with Joran's. IIRC, they took the big road toward the lighthouse and stopped at the end of the little road that goes right up to the lighthouse, because it would likely rip the undercarriage off Deepak's lowered car. So, they didn't go to the lighthouse, just by the lighthouse.
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2. If Joran took Natalee to his house as he now claims, why did all three of the suspects leave that out of their original story? |
He didn't take her to his house. To be technical about it, he took her to his neighbourhood. Maybe his driveway.
| Quote: | | 3. Why did Joran falsely claim to Charles Croes, and the police, that the girl he gambled with in the casino was Natalee, when in fact it was Ruth McVay, who looks nothing like Natalee? |
Don't confuse Charles' statements with Joran's statements.
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4. Joran said the reason he didn't go back for his shoes is that he didn't want to encounter Natalee again. But according to Joran's story his shoes weren't with Natalee, they were back at the Marriott, which Satish would have passed while driving him home. So why didn't Joran just ask Satish to stop at the Marriott so he could retrieve his shoes? |
The shoes are a strawman.
| Quote: | | 5. One of Natalee's friends, Alana Jordan, says that she and two other MB students spoke to Natalee when she was walking with Joran outside CnCs, and that Natalee pointed to another MB group catching taxis up ahead, and said she was going with them. Does Joran dispute that? |
Alana says lots of things. He doesn't dispute she talked to her friends. She also told her friends she wanted to go our riding with the boys.
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6. If not, why were Joran and Natalee walking up the street towards where the MB students were catching cabs, if the car was parked right behind CnCs as Joran stated? |
See C&C pictures to understand parking lot logistics. IIRC, Deepak was bringing the car around to the front, anyway.
| Quote: | | 7. In Deepak's June 9 statement, he said that after Natalee got in the car, Joran told Deepak in Papiamento to drive around, and he then drove in circles around the block. Does Joran dispute that? |
I haven't seen any real statements from any of the suspects but, I do know they gave Natalee every opportunity (in fact, encouraged her) to go with her friends.
| Quote: | | 8. If not, and if as Joran claims Natalee told him before they left the bar that she wanted Joran to take her to his home, and he hoped to have sex with her, why did Joran want to drive around in circles, instead of going straight home with her? |
I don't recall her saying that at the bar. Do you have a cite?
| Quote: | | 9. Is it true, as Deepak reportedly said in a June 11 statement, that in the car Satish put on a porno DVD, Natalee said "Oh my God, what is that", Deepak said "Now she's going to think we're perverts", and after a while Joran told Satish, "Turn it off, she's seen enough"? |
I'm not going to bother with rumours about imaginary statements.
| Quote: | | 10. If so, why did Joran not mention this incident of Natalee becoming upset over the porno, either originally or in his interviews?? |
Because it didn't happen and the statement you're referring to is bogus?
| Quote: | | 11. Is Joran still claiming, as he did to Charles Croes, that Natalee performed oral sex on him in the car, or did that disappear along with the lighthouse trip? |
Don't confuse Charles' statements with Joran's statements.
| Quote: | | 12. If he's not still claiming that, then why did he lie about it? |
Don't confuse Charles' statements with Joran's statements.
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| Jonathan
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Don't confuse Charles' statements with Joran's. IIRC, they took the big road toward the lighthouse and stopped at the end of the little road that goes right up to the lighthouse, because it would likely rip the undercarriage off Deepak's lowered car. So, they didn't go to the lighthouse, just by the lighthouse. |
It's not debateable that Joran originally claimed they went to the lighthouse. Joran hasn't denied it. And there are multiple sources for that info not just Croes, including Kock and the SG's lawyer Lejeuz, both of whom had access to the trio's declarations to polis, and who both said that all 3 suspects agreed they went to the lighthouse before leaving her at the HI. And sorry, but Joran made it perfectly clear in his Greta interview that in his latest version they did not go "by" the lighthouse either, he said they did not take Natalee any farther north than the Marriott hotel.
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He didn't take her to his house. To be technical about it, he took her to his neighbourhood. Maybe his driveway. |
He said to Greta that they went "to" his house and stopped in front of it. But semantics don't matter, what matters is why was there originally no mention of any trip to his house, the front of his house, whatever. And why are Joran and 2K now contradicting each other about it.
| Quote: | | Alana says lots of things. He doesn't dispute she talked to her friends. She also told her friends she wanted to go our riding with the boys. |
In his interviews Joran did not mention any encounter with her friends between leaving CnCs and getting in the car. And it has not been established that Natalee told anyone she wanted to go riding with the suspects, not even clear that the suspects are claiming she told anyone that other than them.
| Quote: | | See C&C pictures to understand parking lot logistics. IIRC, Deepak was bringing the car around to the front, anyway. |
I have seen many pictures and maps of the CnC area and the alley leading to rear parking is located down the street from CnCs. Alana's group must have been walking up the street towards the main road when they encountered Joran and Natalee, because they were headed for another bar and CnCs is the last bar on the street. And Joran did not say anything about Deepak bringing the car to the front, he said Deepak was waiting in the car where it was allegedly parked, right behind CnCs.
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Greta has all the statements and she read Deepak's complete June 9 statement on her show. You cannot possibly know that they encouraged her to leave. They claim they did so when they allegedly stopped the car after a friend yelled at her to get out, but we've only heard their version of that incident (Dave said in his book that her friends told him the car never even stopped).
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Interviewer: Any discussion between Carlos 'nCharlie's and the car between you and Satish or you and Natalee?
Joran van der Sloot: No, just between me and Natalee. We were speaking English to each other and I asked her if she wanted to go back to her hotel and that's when she said that she wanted to... she asked me if I -- if I had a big house or not and then... then she said... I said to her, "Do you want to see my house?" And she's like, "Yes, I want to go to your house."
http://scrux.com/natalee/jorangreta.htm
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| Shizaru wrote: | Here's some of the questions I'd like to see Joe answer:
1. Originally Joran told Charles Croes, and the police, that he took Natalee to the lighthouse. Now he is saying he didn't. Why did he lie about that?
2. If Joran took Natalee to his house as he now claims, why did all three of the suspects leave that out of their original story?
3. Why did Joran falsely claim to Charles Croes, and the police, that the girl he gambled with in the casino was Natalee, when in fact it was Ruth McVay, who looks nothing like Natalee?
4. Joran said the reason he didn't go back for his shoes is that he didn't want to encounter Natalee again. But according to Joran's story his shoes weren't with Natalee, they were back at the Marriott, which Satish would have passed while driving him home. So why didn't Joran just ask Satish to stop at the Marriott so he could retrieve his shoes?
5. One of Natalee's friends, Alana Jordan, says that she and two other MB students spoke to Natalee when she was walking with Joran outside CnCs, and that Natalee pointed to another MB group catching taxis up ahead, and said she was going with them. Does Joran dispute that?
6. If not, why were Joran and Natalee walking up the street towards where the MB students were catching cabs, if the car was parked right behind CnCs as Joran stated?
7. In Deepak's June 9 statement, he said that after Natalee got in the car, Joran told Deepak in Papiamento to drive around, and he then drove in circles around the block. Does Joran dispute that?
8. If not, and if as Joran claims Natalee told him before they left the bar that she wanted Joran to take her to his home, and he hoped to have sex with her, why did Joran want to drive around in circles, instead of going straight home with her?
9. Is it true, as Deepak reportedly said in a June 11 statement, that in the car Satish put on a porno DVD, Natalee said "Oh my God, what is that", Deepak said "Now she's going to think we're perverts", and after a while Joran told Satish, "Turn it off, she's seen enough"?
10. If so, why did Joran not mention this incident of Natalee becoming upset over the porno, either originally or in his interviews??
11. Is Joran still claiming, as he did to Charles Croes, that Natalee performed oral sex on him in the car, or did that disappear along with the lighthouse trip?
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13. Explain what Joran meant by this statement on the polis van recording: "Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish hit a girl with the car?" Who was the girl Satish hit, and how does Joran know about it?
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