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Black-Tulip
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:46 am |
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Where does it say X-rays? 
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:00 am |
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| Black-Tulip wrote: | | Where does it say X-rays? |
I'm not certain , but the Mars Pod may be alluding to imagery data that was collected in that manner. All data doesn't appear to have been collected by heat sensor equipment. JMO
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| Black-Tulip
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| resigned wrote: |
I'm not certain , but the Mars Pod may be alluding to imagery data that was collected in that manner. |
Nonsense.
These cameras produce digital images in either the visible or infrared spectral regions, or both simultaneously (dual spectral band).
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| AC
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| resigned wrote: |
Agreed - Limiting discussion is just that - no mater what is being discussed. However - it is nice to at least have a foundation to base discussion and not just wild theories based primarily on the notion "anything is possible".  |
Something occured to me this morning when I was sitting outside drinking coffee. In February when Joran and Vander Eems's tape surfaced, Joran spoke of the "shaking" that happened with Natalee. I remember being on another site at the time and it was brought out that the ALE asked the family if Natalee had ever had shaking episodes in the past. This, evidentally, happened in the first days of the case. So, if this is all true, it seems the ALE did have information early on....because I do not remember the "shaking" statement being brought out until Joran's conversation with Vander Eem in February. If this is the case and the ALE asked Natalee's family about this.....and then almost three years later, the same comes out of Joran's mouth.....it makes one think that the ALE MIGHT be covering for someone. I mean, as stated earlier.....the comment that 80% of this case was confirmed by Joran's statements to Vander Eem....it does seem that this amount of evidence would be enough to take this to court. Why would the ALE have asked the family this? They must have known something regarding the shaking.....
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| Bongo
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:13 am |
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| resigned wrote: |
Agreed - Limiting discussion is just that - no mater what is being discussed. However - it is nice to at least have a foundation to base discussion and not just wild theories based primarily on the notion "anything is possible". |
Wild theories based on 'anything is possible':
Related to the Aruban side, J2K etc inexhaustibly having been investigated.... discussing wild theories is ok?
Related to the NH background: all not having been investigated thoroughly.... discussing wild theories is not ok?
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| AC
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:21 am |
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| Bongo wrote: |
Wild theories based on 'anything is possible':
Related to the Aruban side, J2K etc inexhaustibly having been investigated.... discussing wild theories is ok?
Related to the NH background: all not having been investigated troughfully.... discussing wild theories is not ok? |
To my knowledge, NH background was investigated.
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:26 am |
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| Bongo wrote: |
Wild theories based on 'anything is possible':
Related to the Aruban side, J2K etc inexhaustibly having been investigated.... discussing wild theories is ok?
Related to the NH background: all not having been investigated troughfully.... discussing wild theories is not ok? |
Anyone can post just about anything that they like, that is why RU is is a great place - I only said it would be nice to have a foundation to base discussion on .
It can work both ways - if some believe that the VDS's had help through familial connections. either purposely or indirectly - it is logical to assume that what should be obvious, may not be and subject to discussion.
Adversely - if some believe that Beth's behavior on Aruba or relationship with Natalee indicate that Natalee ranaway discuss it - but in both cases base it on something besides intuition . JMO If someone comes up with evidence to dispute a theory - so be it. They are just theories.
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| dragonfly
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:01 am |
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| AC wrote: |
Something occured to me this morning when I was sitting outside drinking coffee. In February when Joran and Vander Eems's tape surfaced, Joran spoke of the "shaking" that happened with Natalee. I remember being on another site at the time and it was brought out that the ALE asked the family if Natalee had ever had shaking episodes in the past. This, evidentally, happened in the first days of the case. So, if this is all true, it seems the ALE did have information early on....because I do not remember the "shaking" statement being brought out until Joran's conversation with Vander Eem in February. If this is the case and the ALE asked Natalee's family about this.....and then almost three years later, the same comes out of Joran's mouth.....it makes one think that the ALE MIGHT be covering for someone. I mean, as stated earlier.....the comment that 80% of this case was confirmed by Joran's statements to Vander Eem....it does seem that this amount of evidence would be enough to take this to court. Why would the ALE have asked the family this? They must have known something regarding the shaking..... |
AC, also interesting to me when this came up and I started reading statements again, is the fact that ALE asked Deepak and Satish on 5/31/05 whether Joran and Natalee had got out at the Fisherman Huts and walked by the sea. Both answered no. This was when the HI lie was still very much the story being told. No one had heard the "dropped at the beach" story, except ALE it seems. But the HI story went on for days after that and the security guards still arrested. I'm not into huge conspiracy theories, but odd that both Deepak and Satish were asked about that, but Joran wasn't. ALE had already heard the beach story from someone, but it is not referenced in Joran's statement at all, just asked and answered in Deepak and Satish's statements and that story wouldn't officially change for days to come. Odd.
Oops ETA: This was before, I believe, any friends of VDS or K2 were questioned and later ALE (Kelly) added a statement of his own that Joran mentioned this on 5/31 but he forgot to put it in Joran's statement, that he and Natalee got out at FH and walked by the sea. I just think that's all very odd.
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| iquitos
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| dragonfly wrote: |
AC, also interesting to me when this came up and I started reading statements again, is the fact that ALE asked Deepak and Satish on 5/31/05 whether Joran and Natalee had got out at the Fisherman Huts and walked by the sea. Both answered no. This was when the HI lie was still very much the story being told. No one had heard the "dropped at the beach" story, except ALE it seems. But the HI story went on for days after that and the security guards still arrested. I'm not into huge conspiracy theories, but odd that both Deepak and Satish were asked about that, but Joran wasn't. ALE had already heard the beach story from someone, but it is not referenced in Joran's statement at all, just asked and answered in Deepak and Satish's statements and that story wouldn't officially change for days to come. Odd. |
they heard it from joran and there is a reference to it in a statement where he denies it.
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| Bongo
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:06 am |
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| AC wrote: |
To my knowledge, NH background was investigated. |
OK! Must have missed it. I'll guess I have to be re-educated in the case..  Good news however! Thnks!
Ehhh... scratch-scratch... although.. investigated by what/ whom? FBI? Incl. interrogations family members? Official statements? Police chats with neighbours, friends, acquaintances? Happy Childhood? Relationship with mom, dad? Mental effects divorce? Relationship with stephfather? Pregnancy? Ran away scenario? Private Medjet? Posters? All officially reported? Files/ record present?
Anyone? 
TIA
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| dragonfly
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:08 am |
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| iquitos wrote: |
they heard it from joran and there is a reference to it in a statement where he denies it. |
Sorry, iquitos, I edited my post to include the statement by ALE that Joran did give the FH story on 5/31 but it was left out of his statement.
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| Alvin
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:09 am |
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The disinformation posted and spread was and still is counter productive to finding any resolution.
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| AC
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:11 am |
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| Bongo wrote: |
OK! Must have missed it. I'll guess I have to be re-educated in the case.. Good news however! Thnks!
Ehhh... scratch-scratch... although.. investigated by what/ whom? FBI? Incl. interrogations family members? Official statements? Police chats with neighbours, friends, acquaintances? Happy Childhood? Relationship with mom, dad? Mental effects divorce? Relationship with stephfather? Pregnancy? Ran away scenario? Private Medjet? Posters? All officially reported? Files/ record present?
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Bongo, what I remember is when the Young/Costello thing started.....it was stated that the ALE, (my memory sucks but I think it was the ALE), had researched background and movements of the family while on the island. That is one reason, I assume, that their theories were not taken into consideration because things had already been checked out. Once again, the file on this case has not been opened, so what was investigated or by whom is not certain.
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| iquitos
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:13 am |
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do i remember helicopters and ground penetrating ratdar
looking for areas of disturbed dirt?
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| dragonfly
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:26 am |
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Re: do i remember helicopters and ground penetrating ratdar
| iquitos wrote: | | looking for areas of disturbed dirt? |
I believe so. Disturbed dirt and ground temperature changes, I believe.
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| iquitos
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Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:27 am |
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Re: do i remember helicopters and ground penetrating ratdar
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I believe so. Disturbed dirt and ground temperature changes, I believe. |
I guess that was the infrared part.
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| iquitos
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| Alvin wrote: | | The disinformation posted and spread was and still is counter productive to finding any resolution. |
As in this classic:
COOPER: We spoke earlier this evening with Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, who has been there on Aruba since her daughter disappeared on May 30th and has been through every difficult day in the search for her and the investigation into her disappearance. It's like a roller coaster she says. It's hard to imagine what that must be like for her.
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COOPER: Beth, when I talked to you earlier, you asked me, is today Wednesday. Do the days seem like they all blend together for you?
BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, they do. And I'm beginning to think now even the weeks are blending together. And I try not to give myself -- I try not to really worry about what day it is but just kind of where we are.
COOPER: Have you talked with the prosecutor in this case? And I'm not asking you to divulge it at all. But, I mean, do you feel like you know where they're going with this thing?
TWITTY: I feel like I know that those three individuals will be -- or are responsible. And I don't have any specific information that I can disclose. But, you know, I don't think it's been a question ever that these three boys are tied closely together in regards to Natalee's kidnapping.
COOPER: What about the judge? I mean, the father of Joran, Judge Paul van der Sloot. Do you, in your mind, is he still a suspect?
TWITTY: Absolutely. And I'm not saying that he had the actual involvement with her kidnapping. But what I have felt from May 31st and through that visit at his home was the absolute confirmation I needed that he definitely, definitely has information that he needs to step forward and be the man that he is and disclose that information.
COOPER: What about him gave you that feeling?
TWITTY: You know, when I think back on it, it wasn't specifically what he said but it was specifically what he wouldn't respond to. And also, I have never sat across from a man in a well- ventilated room and seen him sweat so to where it only increased in intensity as the conversation progressed. And, you know, proceeded to drip from him and land on the table where his wife would have to get up and get a kitchen towel to wipe it.
COOPER: Wait a minute, he was sweating so much he was dripping on to the table and his wife had to wipe off his sweat while he was talking?
TWITTY: Yes. Yes.
COOPER: You'd think he'd . . .
TWITTY: From him.
COOPER: You think he's used to the heat. I mean, he live there's.
TWITTY: You know, I've acclimated myself to it now and I'm not profusely sweating when I'm seated in a well-ventilated room. And it wasn't only that. Don't get me wrong. But, you know, during that 90- minute conversation, you know, I had a goal in mind and my goal was to see if I could get any clue that he had some information. And I got it. And I know he does. And I will never, never let go of that.
COOPER: I want to read you something that Anita van der Sloot said, Joran's mother. She said, "why is the finger being pointed at Joran? Because he's the son of a judge?" she asks. "But there is no proof he did anything. Investigators have lost control and don't know what to do anymore."
How does she strike you? You've met with this woman. Does she -- do you think she knows what's going on?
TWITTY: You know, either she's an excellent actress or she's in complete and total denial. And I might go with total denial because here is a 17-year-old male that is at Carlos n' Charlie's buying alcoholic drinks for their patrons. And here is a young 17-year-old male who's seated at a Texas hold'em table that I see on video footage myself. And here's a 17-year-old male seated at a poker table with his father in a tournament. I mean, you know -- and he's out until 3:00 a.m.? How many night as week can a 17-year-old male be out running the streets at 3:00 a.m. and the father say that he sneaked out.
COOPER: I hope this isn't too personal a question. If it is, you know, don't answer it. My brother died many years ago, when I was much younger, and in the months afterward I remember there was really one time a day for me was the hardest. In the mornings I'd wake up and really for a second not remember he was gone. And I know every day is a nightmare for you and it's a situation. But are some moments worse than others?
TWITTY: You know, I think at night it's worse for me. You know, some people would think that morning would be but, you know, a couple of mornings, you know, yes, they're extremely difficult. But, you know, I feel like as soon as I get up and get going then I'm back on a direction and I am on a path that I don't want to let up on this because, you know, the answers are right here on this island. It's not very big. The answers are here. We know a lot of the suspects that have the information, we've just got to quit letting these individuals toy with the interrogators and give the information. And I think they are on it. They know that he is continually lying. But, you know, it's just a process that we're going through.
COOPER: Beth, it's good to talk to you. I'm sorry we have to keep talking to you. I'm sorry this continue to go on and we think about you and pray for you.
Thanks, Beth.
//transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/29/acd.01.html
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| AC
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Thanks, IQ.
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| Eliza
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| Bongo wrote: |
OK! Must have missed it. I'll guess I have to be re-educated in the case.. Good news however! Thnks!
Ehhh... scratch-scratch... although.. investigated by what/ whom? FBI? Incl. interrogations family members? Official statements? Police chats with neighbours, friends, acquaintances? Happy Childhood? Relationship with mom, dad? Mental effects divorce? Relationship with stephfather? Pregnancy? Ran away scenario? Private Medjet? Posters? All officially reported? Files/ record present?
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You have come to the right place to be re-educated! We have ways!
Hey there Bongo. Love the aviator and the moniker.
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| Bongo
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| Eliza wrote: |
You have come to the right place to be re-educated! We have ways!
Hey there Bongo. Love the aviator and the moniker. |
Thank you
however difficult to separate essentials/ facts from speculation and rumor.... in this respect ['zie ik soms door de bomen het bos niet meer' = like:] I sometimes lose track of the forrest while focussing on the trees...
feels a bit like Kenny... looking at his crossed eyes, imagening he's trying to understand what is going on and insisting on saying something meaningful now and then.. 
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| toodles
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| Bongo wrote: |
Thank you
however difficult to separate essentials/ facts from speculation and rumor.... in this respect ['zie ik soms door de bomen het bos niet meer' = like:] I sometimes lose track of the forrest while focussing on the trees...
feels a bit like Kenny... looking at his crossed eyes, imagening he's trying to understand what is going on and insisting on saying something meaningful now and then.. |
I like south park. Kenny isnt cross eyed btw. All the cartoons childrens eyes are like his. His jacket makes him appear that way. Hes actually a cute little blonde.
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| Mallory
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Posted on BFN today. Interesting.
Open Letter to Beth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDX0GSWDqwo
Carlos Severino Tromp's website:
www.koninginnlwatismensenrechten.com
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| iquitos
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the video is already pulled and the guy has some real issues above and beyond his legal ones. 
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| Elaine S
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| iquitos wrote: |
the video is already pulled and the guy has some real issues above and beyond his legal ones. |
iq ~ I checked, it's still up and running.
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| Mallory
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| iquitos wrote: |
the video is already pulled and the guy has some real issues above and beyond his legal ones. |
Nope, video still there and working fine.
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