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prolific

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:42 am

marco wrote:

I'm here.

I'm listening to the interrogation right now of Terry Hobbs.
This is so interesting.

We're weird..........maybe not.
I'm just interested in crime stories.
Why? I have no clue.

I got hooked after OJ's trial.

No not weird at all. This is a fascinating and heartbreaking case. I never followed cases closely before Natalee's, never knew message board world even existed before then......it's has been a real eye opener for sure. Very Happy

I started watching part 2 last night but kept falling asleep, so I want to watch it again to catch up on what I missed.

Byers is a very strange character. I'm trying not to judge him because of how he looks and acts but it is very creepy just listening to him and watching his eyes.

I could be mistaken but in the doc, there is thought that Byers is the one that may have killed the boys but I thought I read somewhere that it was thought that Hobbs may have killed them.

Am I confusing the two?

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Noor

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:28 am

After your done watching with part 2, watch some other you tube video's.
(If you have the time LOL).
OG has them all lined up.

I also thought that Byers had something to do with this.

But now he's saying that those 3 are innocent, and that Hobbs is guilty.

Mark is even wearing black t-shirt in that tape.

What's noticeable for me is that Hobbs does not participate much in the documentary.
I only remember one scene with him, that's when his wife runs out of the courtroom because she's can't bear seeing those crime scene photo's, then they are seen in front of the courthouse

I'm going to order a book today, "Devil's Knot".

Marco

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wvgirl

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:46 am

prolific wrote:

I'm with you on that. The Natalee case stole my cyber virginity and I've not been the same since. I spend way to much time on my laptop.

I agree Byers is very strange, but I not completely sold on his involvement. He really just reminds me of a whacko that fell in love with the media/anybody elses attention. But I have seen some videos of his rage and that is unsettling Shocked

I believe Hobbs wife now says she beleives he could be involved. I also think they are seperated/divorced.

This anytown USA they all are from has soooooooo many other troubling characters. Plus the Bojangles man. Just too many stones left unturned.

I definitley think the WM3 was just a witch hunt and those guys need re-tried or just set free.

Good to see you pro and marco on here. I've been off and on after the first couple months of just catching up on the case. OG has provided us with so much info. It was overwhelming at first because after seeing Paradise 1&2, I was hooked and would spend hours watching the other vids and reading. R/L has gotten in the way of hardly any computer time lately, but I am following this too and glad there are others who share an interest.

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prolific

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:13 am

wvgirl..I just love that av!! She is just too precious.. Very Happy

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prolific

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:18 pm

I just saw this when I was reading online, I apologize if it's already been posted.

"Byers is writing a book about the murders, called "Untying The Knot". He says it's a real account of what happened. Also, his life is set to be spot lighted in a movie about the murders. Due out in 2008, Brad Pitt is among those being considered to portray Byers. Byers says producers told him it will be based on facts. That is one reason why he believes this is a movie with an ending that is still being written."

There's a new movie coming out about the case this year?

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prolific

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:28 am

marco wrote:

I finally finished part two.

I'll look for the videos that OG posted. I'm really interested to see what made Byers change his mind about the boys innocence.

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Noor

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:46 am

prolific wrote:

I finally finished part two.

I'll look for the videos that OG posted. I'm really interested to see what made Byers change his mind about the boys innocence.

I don't know either.....

I don't know where OG is either........ Confused

OG where are you?

I ordered the book, can't wait to get it, maybe the answer will be in there.
I'll let you know when I find the answer.
Very Happy

Marco

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prolific

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:58 am

marco wrote:

I don't know either.....

I don't know where OG is either........ Confused

OG where are you?

I ordered the book, can't wait to get it, maybe the answer will be in there.
I'll let you know when I find the answer.
Very Happy

Which book is that Marco? Devil's Knot?

I checked to see if my library carries it but they don't. I also saw Byers is writing a book.

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Noor

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:08 pm

prolific wrote:

Which book is that Marco? Devil's Knot?

I checked to see if my library carries it but they don't. I also saw Byers is writing a book.

Yes I ordered "Devil's knot " from Amazon.
I only payed 8 bucks, that includes shipping.

I heard Byers say he's writting a book.
That should be interesting, wonder how much he remembers how he acted back in 1993.............

Marco

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Noor

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:25 pm

This looks like an interesting blog:

http://kathybakken.vox.com/library/post/new-evidence-in-west-memphis-murders.html

Marco

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prolific

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:11 pm

marco wrote:

Sorry if this has already been posted. About Byer's book:

"I Needed Somebody to Hate"

Posted by Greg Day at 1/15/2008 10:16 AM and is filed under uncategorized

Untying the Knot: John Mark Byers and the West Memphis Child Murders, the new book on the case that many are calling the crime of century, is nearing completion, and more details will be available soon. The book chronicles the life of Mark Byers, arguably the most controversial character in a case steeped in disagreement and debate. Long regarded as the chief alternate suspect in the eyes of the public, Mark continues to spark as much contention today as he did back in the days when he was shooting pumpkins and burning mock graves to vent his anger against the three men he was sure murdered his son. "People have tried to take me out", he said to the cameras in Revelations: Paradise Lost 2, "but I’m still here, Jessie, Jason, Damien. Those names ring in my ears daily. And I still hate you." More recently, however, his words and actions are angering those who have maintained that the so-called West Memphis Three belong in prison and that two juries in 1994 convicted the right people. So what has changed?

John Mark Byers has lived through the murder of his eight-year-old son Christopher and two other boys, the unexplained death of his wife Melissa three years later, spent fourteen years as a suspect in the public eye, and a hellish fifteen months in the Arkansas Department of Corrections. But a startling series of new developments - including the discovery of DNA evidence pointing to another victim’s stepfather - has turned Mark Byers into a staunch advocate for the release of the convicted killers, dubbed the West Memphis Three by their supporters. Jason Baldwin, Damien Echols, and Jessie Misskelley, Jr. have spent fifteen years in prison for a crime that Mark Byers no longer believes they committed. "It's the worst nightmare you could ever imagine", Byers said recently on Larry King Live. "I know the nightmare that the three in prison feel to be wrongly accused." He also told Johnny Dodd at People, "I was fooled for fourteen years. But now I know that an injustice was dealt upon these boys by the State of Arkansas."

When asked by Jason Miles of WMC-TV in Memphis, "Do you think [Steve Branch’s stepfather] Terry Hobbs killed your son and the two other boys?", there was only a slight hesitation in his response: "In my opinion", Byers said, "I do. If it takes the last breath in my body, [seeing Terry Hobbs in jail] that’s my goal." Regarding the convicted men - notably Echols, who sits on death row in the Varner Supermax prison in Grady, Arkansas, Byers says, "I want him to know I’m here for him."

During his interview for Larry King Live, Echols said of Byers, "I appreciate everything he’s been expressing lately. I’ve heard him make comments like that several times on different local news stations and I’ve heard people repeat that to me. And I really, really do appreciate that. It means a great deal."

Byers and Echols, once fierce adversaries, are now united in the fight to save Echols’s life. They have joined forces with a cadre of celebrity supporters - Winona Ryder, Johnny Depp, Jack Black, Natalie Maines, Eddie Vedder (Pearl Jam), and Margaret Cho, to name a few - who have raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund a technical showdown with the State of Arkansas that promises to rival the O.J. Simpson and Sam Sheppard trials in drama and visibility. Forensic experts Dr. Michael Baden (O.J. Simpson), Dr. Vincent Di Maio (Scott Peterson), and former FBI profiler John Douglas (Mindhunter, Inside the Mind of the BTK Killer), have supplied the Echols defense team with enough horsepower to file a writ in federal court to have the conviction of Damien Echols overturned, or to grant a new trial. Echols’s attorneys have declared that they will be ready to file with the state courts by the middle of February, a step that was mandated by U.S. District Judge William R. Wilson, Jr., after which a hearing in federal court is expected in late spring.

continued here:

http://blog.johnmarkbyers.com/2008/01/15/i-needed-somebody-to-hate.aspx

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Noor

Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:51 pm

Thanks Pro!

Marco

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:45 pm

prolific wrote:

OG you have done an amazing job on this board and on this case...

My daughter is away at camp and I'm going to try to get up to speed with this case...I've been wanting to and just never seemed to get to it.

The little I have read is just mind boggling.

Thanks for all of your hard work on it.

ETA: Welcome Whoop.. Smile

Thanks, Pro!

I have been so damn busy with work and challenging myself by taking some more college courses, etc. My kids are visiting their father and his family in Illinois for a couple weeks, so I have some time to get back to the boards a little! Laughing

It's been a while.

Any new opinions formed on the case, after catching up some?

"Bratty Mama Leci"

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:46 pm

A Voice of Sanity wrote:

That speaks to the competence and honesty of those courts - and it doesn't speak well of them. These judges get paid a great deal of money - and hardly seem to earn it judging by the results.

ITA!

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:56 pm

For Pax:

"Bratty Mama Leci"

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:56 pm

FWIW---

I have always wondered if Byers has/had Munchausen Biproxy. Confused

"Bratty Mama Leci"

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Noor

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:41 pm

Re: FWIW---

Obscuregawdess wrote:

I have always wondered if Byers has/had Munchausen Biproxy. Confused

Mark?

Guys can have that?

Marco

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pax

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:32 pm

OG, it's nice to see you back.

Thanks for the links to the Hobbs interview.

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:15 am

Re: FWIW---

marco wrote:

Mark?

Guys can have that?

He shows all the signs... In the kind of work I do, it looks like I could remember if it's strictly a woman thing, but I can't. He just showed all the signs to me! Laughing

Not really funny, but the shoe fits, imo...

When I am done with what I am doing, I'll look up some info and see.

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:18 am

pax wrote:

OG, it's nice to see you back.

Thanks for the links to the Hobbs interview.

Thanks, and you're quite welcome! Smile

Have you watched them yet? If so, what are your thoughts?

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pax

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:31 pm

Obscuregawdess wrote:

Thanks, and you're quite welcome! Smile

Have you watched them yet? If so, what are your thoughts?

Yes, they are chilling when one considers the brutality of the murders. My thoughts are that I truly hope investigators are following up on the things he said. Such as, the car he drove at the time of the murders, whether it's possible he saw a black man (bojangles?) around that time period, finding two knives on the street, his admitted assaults on other people, etc. There is a lot more to explore. Are the transcripts of these interviews posted anywhere? I think Hobbs should be examined a lot more closely, particularly in light of the dna evidence of the hair or fiber. What is that evidence, if you happen to remember? I wonder how strong that evidence is, i.e., whether it's strong indication of Hobbs' guilt, and how that evidence might hold up in court if he were ever tried for the murders. I have to believe police and investigators are looking very closely at Hobbs now.

What are your thoughts?

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:53 pm

pax wrote:

The hair of his was found wound in Michael Moore's bind/shoe lace that he was tied with. It was allegedly tied up in the bind and had a root, that some experts have claimed may have been pulled in self defense if Terry was an aggressor. To me, what's most damning is that David Jacoby was his alibi. However, Jacoby's hair was found on a tree stump near where one of the bodies was discovered. The only physical evidence that can be linked to anyone goes to Hobbs and Jacoby.

I personally feel that Hobbs is involved somehow. His demeanor, words, actions around the time of the murders, behavior at trial, attitude on Geraldo, Pam Hobbs' opinion on him, the fact he had Stevie's knife hidden in his little collection, and the evidence at the dump site/crime scene... To me, that has to mean something? At least it seems so, to me.

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:57 pm

Not sure where this would go... (so I put it here)

False wishlist for Jason circulating around out there... (Tuesday, July 22, 2008)

We've found the false wish list that's circulating out there with Jason's name and info on it.... but it is NOT any wish list that he has anything to do with. He's not putting books he wants on it, we don't even know who is running it or who created it. The ONLY wish list Jason actually puts books he wants on is the one linked through WM3.ORG and this myspace page (which is one and the same wish list, and this myspace page is linked from wm3.org itself also). Please beware, we're not sure how the wrong wishlist is circulating or who is circulating it, but he's getting books he's already read and he's also even had materials put on it that he's not allowed to have, which could cause trouble for him. Jason would like everyone to know that he appreciates all of the gifts sent from his actual wishlist and if supporters are going to spend their hard earned money sending him something to read he'd like it to be from his real wishlist that he contributed to and not one that someone made without authorization with a list of books he has no interest in and knows nothing about.

THIS is the link to the FALSE/ wrong wishlist made by some unknown party that Jason does NOT have affiliation with and does not put any books on himself:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/7P1S7AC3W5PU/ref=cm_wl_sortbar_v_page_1?ie=UTF8&filter=all&sort=date-added&layout=standard&reveal=purchased&page=1

THIS is the actual correct wishlist for Jason, that is linked from wm3.org and always on this myspace page as well:

Plain link to correct wishlist:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/registry.html?ie=UTF8&type=wishlist&id=3IOBN4SIMS74L

Please repost this around so that we can be sure people are only using the correct wishlist and stop using the incorrect one. Amazon has been notified of the incorrect wishlist is in the process of taking it down.
Thanks!

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=60293191&blogID=417225722&Mytoken=D8A7295E-E621-45E1-A59107B8F536FE2422793545

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pax

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:20 pm

Obscuregawdess wrote:

It means a lot to me too! Who is David Jacoby? Thanks again so much for answering so many questions.

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Obscuregawdess

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:32 pm

pax wrote:

It means a lot to me too! Who is David Jacoby? Thanks again so much for answering so many questions.

Supposedly, he was an acquaintance of the Hobbs'. Terry claimed he went over there to play guitar with Jacoby and visit a little on the day Stevie and the others went missing. Jacoby had a daughter around Stevie's age that was another of his little "girlfriends". (along with Michael Moore's sister) Jacoby and Hobbs have different recollections in terms of the day, as far as Jacoby ever accompanying him in the search and whether or not Stevie's little sister went with Hobbs or stayed with Jacoby's wife. I'll have to go back through the info to sort that whole mess out! Jacoby did not live too far from Hobbs. Jacoby refuses any interviews but did offer his DNA for testing. It is rumored that Hobbs and Jacoby communicated little after Hobbs'divorce from Pam and, apparently, Byers and Jacoby were acquaintances at minimum at some point in time.

By the way, you're always welcome. If I see a question, it's a never a problem to answer or try to find the answers! Smile

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