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Heli
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Nancy Grace April 21 TRANSCRIPT
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE
Nancy Grace:
What can GVC reveal. What did J2K's fight about when they thought cops weren't listening.
Straight out to Pat Lalama
Pat:
It sure feels like things are closing in. Geoffrey still being held, there will be a hearing on the 26th in order for them to hold him longer. Perhaps in connection with the disappearance of Natalee and drugs.
Forensic evidence on the shirt, unclear whether that does exist and whether it's the same shirt found last June. Does GVC know van der Sloot, he denies it but Natalee's mother says ppl are e-mailing her with photos of them together.
Nothing has been found in the current ocean searches. Of course, that audio tape of the suspects, yelling and screaming at each other tells us a lot.
Nancy:
Put up the transcript...to our producer Eric in Aruba.
Deepak How does it feel Joran
Joran You have got my father arrested friend
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Eric, how have we confirmed this transcript is legitimate
Eric:
Early this morning the prosecutor released a statement about this transcript, it was in a police report in Dutch. The prosectuor said it is true and we didn't release it, they want to know who did release it. In fact, the prosecutor is launching an investigation into who leaked this document
Nancy;
I don't care, I want to know if it's legitimate.
Eric:
It is legitimate according to the prosecutor and the translaction is right.
Nancy:
We believe the conversation went down when they were handcuffed together.
Even then many months ago, we speculated it was the smartest or the dumbest thing cops did, if they were being taped
Dave Holloway from Meridian. I'm sure that you've gone over this transcript, what do you think is the most damning thing in there?
Dave;
Number of things, Deepak says Joran will get 15 years. They're playing each other ... after all they've changed their statements so many times. This is part of that process of trying to figure out what are you going to say, what we're going to say. They were coached early on by the father, that they were going to be taped..I'm sure that's what happned through this process including this recording.
Nancy:
I can guarantee this much, if the police thought enough to tape then, there are other tapes to follow, this isn't the only one. The phones can be bugged, you name it, e-mails can be retrieved.
Dave, another thing that stands out fo to me, Joran was very well aware he was being taped, all of a sudden when one of the brothers says bury the girl, he says I never said anything bout burying. I think that's damning
Dave:
Joran said that early on in the investigation, he lead police to the scene. S or D was calling him on that.
Nancy
Let's talk about GVC how do you think he fits in. YOu stand by the fact that J2K's are the 3 correct suspects
Dave:
The police arrested GVC on Saturday, he was detained for another 8 days. The security guard shirt.. he did not work for them at the time he worked for .... which was docked behind Holiday Inn Where he fits in I don't know
Nancy:
What about a drug connection,
Dave:
They charged him with drugs , it's unclear at this time. I don't know the exact type of drugs, I have my suspicions, Probably date rape drugs
Nancy:
I'm thinking GHB, possibly Ecstacy even be something as simple as ambian, valium when you mix with a lady's drink. Let me go to Eric in ARuba. What do we know about the drug charges levelled on this suspect
Eric:
When the prosecutor released the statement that they arrested him, there were charges relating to Natalee and also drug charges. We don't know what they are, even today I was with another producer of ours someone offered us cocaine.
Nancy:
Eric got us this video, exclusive to our show, GVC trying to cover his face with a hoody. Where is he coming from
Eric;
The Noord police station, not far from the van der Sloot home and the Holiday Inn Also that's where the task force is based
Nancy:
Eric, have you noticed how everybody is saying I don't know him, nobody knows him Joran doesn't know anybody, nobody knows GVC, they're falling over themselves to give public statements that they don't know each
Where did these kids go to school, there's only aboug 100,000 ppl on this island. It's hard for me to think these guys don't know each other
Eric
Hard to believe they don't know each other. All we can go on is statements from gvc's attorney who says they don't know each other. We know that Joran went to school not far from here, planning to head to US for college.
We don't know where GVC went to school, we know he was on the island in December 2004 working on the beach in watersports. It hasn't surfaced as to where he went to highschool. It's hard to find anybody who will acknowedge they even know him
Nancy;
They're really rolling up the sidewalks, they don't know anything or anyone.
We'll be taking your calls when we come back.
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| Heli
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Nancy:
Straight to Pat Brown, lot of theories floating around. Where does van Cromvoirt fit in
Absoltuely nowhere, he was probably picked up on a drug connection, it's nothing but a smoke screen.
if it's a true story where Joran leaves Natalee on the baech, if that's all he did..the only person who could have attacked Natalee was somebody who was on the beach It would have to be somebody at the location, so why this particular suspect would have been there more than anybody else, it doesn't make sense.
I think we simply have the fact, let's get a new suspect and then we'll have reasonable doubt then we can dump the whole thing
Nancy;
whenever there's a dead body ppl start to be clairvoyant..Peterson and OJ all had dreams Here you have a transcript of this bugged tape, Satish sees Natalee's ghost. Is that a guilty conscience
Dave:
I was thinking about that, if he saw a ghost, they know a lot more than what they told, a lot more than we know. It all goes back to the statements where all three of them said she was falling asleep approx 20 minutes after she got in the car, she was totally out of it coming back from the lighthouse, a 2 minute stretch where she was asleep, publicly Joran says he's walking on the beach with her...which is it was she out of it or walking on the beach with Joran.
"He was arrested because he was talking a little too much on the beach ..."
Nancy:
Liz, let's go to the line. Rhonda in Michigan: " I have so much respect for you. DO they have any DNA from the shirt that shows any connection between Natalee and any of the suspects"
To Dave, what do you make of this shirt. There is an actual shot of the shiet, we don't know what kind of DNA is on it
Dave:
They found the shirt early on, if it's related at this time it doesn't seem like it is, but who knows. He was working for a boat company at the time and wasn't involved with his father's business until a little later.
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| CSI
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:47 pm |
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Thanks Heli. I started watching her but had to turn the channel.
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thanks heli...
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Nancy:
Mr van der Sloot, why were you worried about getting 15 years behind bars while you were yacking with the Kalpoes
Where does GVC stand in all this?
Rene Rockwell:
First of all, we know that because he's charged...he worked on the beach he had access to boat and possibly the removal of the body. It could be a maneouvre by police to lean on him to give evidence against the suspects.
On an island so small, it's pretty unlikely these guys don't know each other.
Nancy
The first thing out of their mouth is we don't know him, nobody knows anybody on the whole island.
If the first thing is denying that, you have to wonder what they're worried about
Nancy;
Raoul Manchada, they will hold them 8 more days, it's all ass backwards, they keep everything secret down there, they don't charge them ..
Manchada:
It's under Dutch law, it's reasonable suspicion where they can possibly be held for 146 days in jail for suspicion and no charges. It's much different
Nancy:
Eric, tell me about the dive searches, think they're a little too late with that a year later?
Eric:
It was Easter Sunday that the coast guard was in the water using side scan sonar and divers in the area off the hotel beach. Those searches came up empty
Nancy
Vito COllucci, I have dived fairly extensively in that area, there are strong currents, you can drift dive, but a year later, the fact they're still searching by the Holiday Inn, would that say to you they believe her body is weighted down
Vito:
that's a good point. Don't forget Dompig is history, I have to admit after 11 months I'm impressed by the new guy, he even took a dig at Dompig and said they had info on GVC long ago. I'm going to give him benefit of the doubt.
Nancy
Sharon in Ontario. Q: Is there any concrete evidence that Natalee is dead.
No, no evidence of a crime. Dave you of all ppl should have an idea as to whether she's still alive
Dave:
As time goes on the glimmer of hope fades, on June 10 I was told it was a homicide case, the ALE finally admitted in Octrober it was homicicde
Nancy;
I want to apologize to you, we're all so used to prosecuting murder cases, I know it must be hard to hear us go through the evidence and make sense of it, I want to thank you.
Speaking of DOmpig who was running the investigation Eric, what's the deal on Dompig's son
Eric:
SHortly after GVC was arrested speculation went wild on the island that Michael DOmpig was next to be arrested. DOmpig finally spoke out in Bon Dia Aruba, yes he's my son, knew GVC worked together but doesn't mean they're friends.
Michael has given statements and Dompig says his son is not a suspect. He's also said if speculation continues about his son, he hinted to Bon Dia that civil action may follow
Dompig was removed from the case for an unknown reason. Shortly before he was taken off he did that interview with 48 Hours with big speculative theories. Not long after he was removed.
Nancy;
Sheila in Marilyn Q: Have any of the boys been given lie detector tests
Dave:
They don't use lie detector in Aruba.
Nancy:
Even here in America they're not admissable unless both sides stipulate.
Joe Lawless:
used as an investigative tool only. I personally don't think they're reliable.
Nancy:
The way they were desdcribing Natalee that evening she may have had a drug in her drink, sounds a lot like GHB we know van Cromvoirt is facing drug charges.
Lawless:
Something is going on, I'm impressed with the fact they have tapes we haven't heard. The fact these tapes haven't come out yet I find troubling. I don't know where this is going,
Nancy;
Why do ppl keep yacking, have you read that transcript?
Rene:
Maybe they think they can talk the police out of suspecting them. Looking at these 3 guys, all of a sudden they put them together, that's the oldest trick in the book
Nancy:
If they know they're taped...
They're in denial, they thought they could outwit the cops, could also be they are naive, they're not career criminals...
Clark Golban, could Joran have crossed paths with GV.
Clark
Highly possible, the population is 110,000, it's like Waco, Texas, not so large. They're Dutch that subdivides them even more, they're in a higher social class, they're white, again you have this large group but surely their paths may have crossed down there.
there's over 40 nationalities in Aruba, don't forget the size of the island is only 70 square miles.
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| katya
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:52 pm |
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Heli, I don't know how you do it. I could barely stand to even read this interview.
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| just_lurking
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:55 pm |
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Dave didn't mention his book once???
Thanks Heli!
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| statinmyopinion2
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:57 pm |
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Dave Says:
On June 10 we were told by the fbi that it was a homicide case.
In October, the ALE finally confirmed it was a homicide case.
Yes Karin Janssen writes the Justice Department and states:
There is no evidence of a murder.
There is no evidence of sexual assault
There is no evidence of a crime even being comitted against Natalee.
Yet Dave is told that it is a homicide case?
I don't think so................
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HMI, we are still watching you!
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Dave keeps debunking the shirt theory because the kid didn't work for his fathers company at the time. How hard is it for Dave to imagine that this kid would have access to tons of those shirts.
The only thing that leads me away from the shirt and this kid is the timing. The shirt had the initials GVC in it. He might sneak one of his fathers shirts out, but I can't see them putting his initials in it if he didn't work there. He didn't work there when Natalee went missing.
Does anybody remember when the shirt was found and when he went to work for his fathers company?
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| katya
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| Quote: | Clark
Highly possible, the population is 110,000, it's like Waco, Texas, not so large. They're Dutch that subdivides them even more, they're in a higher social class, they're white, again you have this large group but surely their paths may have crossed down there.
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I guess this guy has never looked at the pictures of Joran and his friends. Most of them seem to be NOT white dutch boys, I don't think Joran is a racist like this idiot. This insitence that Joran MUST have known GVS is driving me nuts! 100,000 people is a pretty good sized community 
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Wasn't the shirt found during the civil servant day off search? June 5th, iirc.
Unless it is a different shirt? I keep thinking it is strange that they keep calling it a t shirt.
I b et he'd been working in some way for his dad for several years, even if not formally on the payroll, so he may very well likely had a company uniform at some point. I mean, it's the family business.
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There arent even 20,000 people in my town and I couldnt tell you who half of them are. I dont even know the names of some of the people in my neighborhood.
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Thanks again, Heli 
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HMI so desperately want to link GVC to JVS that they can't see past their nose. I have no problem believing the didn't know each other. For example take a high school. It is smaller than that island. I know that no student knows everyone in their class in most high schools. I bet this is true for even MB High School.
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| concernedmother wrote: | | There arent even 20,000 people in my town and I couldnt tell you who half of them are. I dont even know the names of some of the people in my neighborhood. |
I disagree kids know kids. They hang and party together. I even knew alot of the kids in my daughter's high school of 2300 students. And even some who graduated the year before her.
I myself grew up in a city of 160,000 it had about 6 or 7 high schools. We always knew kids from all over.
I've heard it both ways everyone knows everyone on Aruba and everyone doesn't. I would guess it would be a social thing for some and not for others maybe.
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| Mariah wrote: | | Hmi so desperately want to link GVC to JVS that they can't see past their nose. I have no problem believing the didn't know each other. For example take a high school. It is smaller than that island. I know that no student knows everyone in their class in most high schools. I bet this is true for even MB High School. |
My public highschool class wasn't much larger than 300 people and I didn't know everyone that was in my class! Truthfully I didn't probably know more than 50 of them! That thought is starting to sound depressing!  
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| Cassie wrote: | | concernedmother wrote: | | There arent even 20,000 people in my town and I couldnt tell you who half of them are. I dont even know the names of some of the people in my neighborhood. |
I disagree kids know kids. They hang and party together. I even knew alot of the kids in my daughter's high school of 2300 students. And even some who graduated the year before her.
I myself grew up in a city of 160,000 it had about 6 or 7 high schools. We always knew kids from all over.
I've heard it both ways everyone knows everyone on Aruba and everyone doesn't. I would guess it would be a social thing for some and not for others maybe.
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You disagree with what? That's ridiculous, most "kids" have a subgroup of people they "party" or hang with and pay little or no attention at all to ALL the others in the school! Now those involved with sports may know the "players" in their school and surrounding HS that they play against, but that is still a smaller "subgroup" than knowing that MANY kids! Most people aren't that interested in the "general" population of any larger group unless something brings particular attention to them!
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Sorry Cassie, but I'm not buying it. Both families have stated that they don't know each other. GVC was a couple of years older, attended a different HS, was into beach stuff, not soccer and tennis. They ran in differnt circles. Even in a town of half that size, all the kids don't know each other. Just because you knew a few kids at other HS, doesn't mean you knew all of them.
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| Quote: | | Highly possible, the population is 110,000, it's like Waco, Texas, not so large. They're Dutch that subdivides them even more, they're in a higher social class, they're white, again you have this large group but surely their paths may have crossed down there. |
Thank you Heli. You rock, as always
Can somebody please explain it to me why the race issue comes up so often? It's getting more than annoying.
What does this dimwit think? That white people only associate with white people? That all Dutch people know each other because they are 'in a higher social class'? AAARGHHGHGHGGHGHGHGH.
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| katya wrote: | Wasn't the shirt found during the civil servant day off search? June 5th, iirc.
Unless it is a different shirt? I keep thinking it is strange that they keep calling it a t shirt.
I b et he'd been working in some way for his dad for several years, even if not formally on the payroll, so he may very well likely had a company uniform at some point. I mean, it's the family business. |
katya,
I have been wondering the same thing. Are we talking about two different shirts?
Do you remember Dr. Henry Lee stating that "A T-shirt has been found" on LKL?
Either that guy just woke up from a coma, and has no clue as to what a Tee shirt is, along with the fact that this was known months and months ago----or he was talking about a different shirt...
Either one are very possible. lol.
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| Isanah wrote: | | Cassie wrote: | | concernedmother wrote: | | There arent even 20,000 people in my town and I couldnt tell you who half of them are. I dont even know the names of some of the people in my neighborhood. |
I disagree kids know kids. They hang and party together. I even knew alot of the kids in my daughter's high school of 2300 students. And even some who graduated the year before her.
I myself grew up in a city of 160,000 it had about 6 or 7 high schools. We always knew kids from all over.
I've heard it both ways everyone knows everyone on Aruba and everyone doesn't. I would guess it would be a social thing for some and not for others maybe.
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You disagree with what? That's ridiculous, most "kids" have a subgroup of people they "party" or hang with and pay little or no attention at all to ALL the others in the school! Now those involved with sports may know the "players" in their school and surrounding HS that they play against, but that is still a smaller "subgroup" than knowing that MANY kids! Most people aren't that interested in the "general" population of any larger group unless something brings particular attention to them! |
I respect your opinion but maybe your area is much different than where I live or grew up. Actually those 2 are about 600 miles apart.
My daughter attended the public HS but went to the Catholic HS Prom so how does that fit your statement of not knowing kids from other schools?
I grew up and knew kids from all the different JR High's and HS's. You live in a different place than I do. Kids met at parties, churches, sports events, work etc.
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| Cassie wrote: | | Isanah wrote: | | Cassie wrote: | | concernedmother wrote: | | There arent even 20,000 people in my town and I couldnt tell you who half of them are. I dont even know the names of some of the people in my neighborhood. |
I disagree kids know kids. They hang and party together. I even knew alot of the kids in my daughter's high school of 2300 students. And even some who graduated the year before her.
I myself grew up in a city of 160,000 it had about 6 or 7 high schools. We always knew kids from all over.
I've heard it both ways everyone knows everyone on Aruba and everyone doesn't. I would guess it would be a social thing for some and not for others maybe.
Cassie
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You disagree with what? That's ridiculous, most "kids" have a subgroup of people they "party" or hang with and pay little or no attention at all to ALL the others in the school! Now those involved with sports may know the "players" in their school and surrounding HS that they play against, but that is still a smaller "subgroup" than knowing that MANY kids! Most people aren't that interested in the "general" population of any larger group unless something brings particular attention to them! |
I respect your opinion but maybe your area is much different than where I live or grew up. Actually those 2 are about 600 miles apart.
My daughter attended the public HS but went to the Catholic HS Prom so how does that fit your statement of not knowing kids from other schools?
I grew up and knew kids from all the different JR High's and HS's. You live in a different place than I do. Kids met at parties, churches, sports events, work etc.
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Yes, "subgroups meet other subgroups", people still focus in certain groups within a group! Just because the two schools merged into having a dance doesn't mean that most paid that much attention to EVERYONE in the group! Sheesh, what size dance and HS classes do you have that everyone knows "all the kids"! Just plain silly, unless we are talking about some real small group, or some really nosy people that pay that much attention to EVERYONE whether they share any personal interest in them or not! IMO, your experiences are more the exception than the rule!
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| Isanah wrote: | | Mariah wrote: | | Hmi so desperately want to link GVC to JVS that they can't see past their nose. I have no problem believing the didn't know each other. For example take a high school. It is smaller than that island. I know that no student knows everyone in their class in most high schools. I bet this is true for even MB High School. |
My public highschool class wasn't much larger than 300 people and I didn't know everyone that was in my class! Truthfully I didn't probably know more than 50 of them! That thought is starting to sound depressing! |
I actually thought that was somewhat funny not depressing and different.
I called my daughter and asked her class size she said 970 and per cent she knew at least by name and face was about 75 to 80 per cent. Some of those kids even came from 3 different nearby town.
I guess I do live in a totally social area compared to some.
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Does anyone know where I can find the transcript Greta did with that phone guy Croes?
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| Cassie wrote: | | Isanah wrote: | | Mariah wrote: | | Hmi so desperately want to link GVC to JVS that they can't see past their nose. I have no problem believing the didn't know each other. For example take a high school. It is smaller than that island. I know that no student knows everyone in their class in most high schools. I bet this is true for even MB High School. |
My public highschool class wasn't much larger than 300 people and I didn't know everyone that was in my class! Truthfully I didn't probably know more than 50 of them! That thought is starting to sound depressing! |
I actually thought that was somewhat funny not depressing and different.
I called my daughter and asked her class size she said 970 and per cent she knew at least by name and face was about 75 to 80 per cent. Some of those kids even came from 3 different nearby town.
I guess I do live in a totally social area compared to some.
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I guess your daughter was quite a "social butterfly"! Apparently you were also active in the school! Hey, I was lucky that Mom attended the one school play I was in! 
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