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Should Michael Vick Play Football Again?

No - never!

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Yes - absolutely!

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Yes - after he serves his sentence.

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Yes - if he can prove remorse and atone for his sins.

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Other.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 3:46 am

Pax said:

Thanks Sarge.

The meeting was excellent. Someone on the City Council said they expected under 100 people and we had 400. The plans are at a very early stage and don't necessarily have to include the dog park. Our voices will be heard! It's fun getting more involved with the community. Saw a lot of dog park friends there, and we are joking about making t-shirts that read: SAVE OUR DOG PARK OR I'LL PEE ON YOUR LEG

YIF said:

I love it, Pax. I'll buy one.

I cannot comprehend the lack of humanity in some people. It boggles my mind. How do they live with themselves?

A very interesting thread, and it is wonderful to see how involved you all are in these issues.

I wish you success, Pax, in keeping your dog park. Most French dogs don't know what a leash is and they run freely and are not aggressive. We are teaching our little pooch -- Mugsy -- to walk without a leash and he's OK for 150 yards until he gets the scent of a cat or rabbit and then he's off like lightening but he is learning. He was a shelter dog, and I cannot believe that someone would have dumped him at the shelter. He is a cross between a poodle and a wirehair griffon and so damn cute.

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sarge

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:24 pm

Oh, no! Not in Ireland too Neutral

BBC Exposes Dog Fighting in Ireland
Aug 30 06:21 PM US/Eastern
By SHAWN POGATCHNIK
Associated Press Writer

Preview of BBC ‘Spotlight’ Report on Northern Ireland Dog Fighting

DUBLIN, Ireland (AP) - A star of Ireland's Gaelic football league was exposed Thursday as a director of an illegal dog-fighting club, an underground gambling activity that has wrecked the reputation and career of Atlanta Falcons football player Michael Vick.

The 17-month undercover investigation by BBC Northern Ireland's "Spotlight" program, broadcast Thursday night, found evidence of 15 illegal dog-fighting operations in the British territory of 1.7 million people.

The program secretly filmed Gerard Cavlan, a 31-year-old member of the County Tyrone Gaelic football team, discussing his ownership of more than a dozen dogs—and bragging about how one "hard-mouthed dog" gripped another in its jaws.

"Sure he had him in the chest, and he shook him and he shook him for 25 minutes," Cavlan said during a conversation filmed covertly in his vehicle.

The BBC program deployed an undercover specialist from England who duped organizers of two dog-fighting clubs in Northern Ireland and two breeders of American pit bulls in Finland who supplied dogs to Cavlan and other Northern Ireland-based dog fighters. All were filmed discussing the tricks of their trade and methods of evading detection by authorities.

The two Finland-based breeders, Robert Gonzales and Paul Dunkel, were shown being confronted by the BBC crew with evidence of their dealings before police arrested them.

The program displayed documents showing Cavlan acquired a pit bull, named Cannon Ball, from Gonzales and traveled to Finland to observe dog fights.

It filmed Cavlan saying he had co-founded a dog-fighting club called Bulldog Sanctuary Kennels. The program described his business partner as "Dee," a Protestant extremist and drug dealer.

"Spotlight," the flagship investigations program for the BBC in Belfast, also secretly filmed a dog-fighting competition in Finland involving Gonzales and Tom Bell, an organizer of another Northern Ireland dog-fighting club called the Farmers Boys.

Gonzales was recorded getting down on hands and knees in front of two 50-pound dogs and egging on his dog to kill the other.

The Gaelic Athletic Association permitted Cavlan to continue playing for Tyrone after the Ulster Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals raided a kennel and seized more than a dozen dogs, mostly pit bulls, that were bred for fighting. It identified Cavlan as co-owner of the raided facility and he pleaded guilty in April to possession of a dangerous dog.

At the time, Cavlan's lawyer said his client had picked up the animal Cannon Ball for a Dublin friend and didn't realize the dog—which had several scars—was being abused in illegal fights. He was fined $1,300 and ordered not to keep terrier breeds.

The football association and the County Tyrone team declined comment Thursday. Officials said they needed to see the program first. Attempts to contact Cavlan for comment were unsuccessful.

Cavlan's team won the Ireland championship in 2003. This year it lost in the quarterfinals of the annual competition among teams from each of the island's 32 counties.

Vick apologized this week after entering a guilty plea to a charge of dogfighting. Sentencing is scheduled for Dec. 10. and he could go to prison for one to five years. He has already been suspended indefinitely by the National Football League.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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pax

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:58 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:

Thanks YIF! Sounds like Mugsy is a great dog; they are all so unique aren't they? It's been fun seeing how many people are getting involved to save our dog park. I think it will remain, because the city council doesn't want to disappoint so many constituents.

Sarge made a great point the other day, that interacting with other people and dogs helps bring out the humanity in us. I've made that point to a few at the park, and that's something we're all emphasizing.

Hope you have a great weekend, YIF. Say 'woof!' to Mugsy for me!

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sarge

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:52 am

Yif, would you post a picture of Mugsy? He sounds pretty cool.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:11 am

sarge wrote:

Yif, would you post a picture of Mugsy? He sounds pretty cool.

Confession: I don't know how to insert photos.

Yif

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Kay_The_Kitten

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:08 am

bump for cute doggie

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:11 am

Kay_The_Kitten wrote:

bump for cute doggie

Thank you so much, Kay. Very Happy

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:19 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

sarge wrote:

Yif, would you post a picture of Mugsy? He sounds pretty cool.

Confession: I don't know how to insert photos.

Yif

Thanks to Kay, Sarge, Mugsy made his first net appearance on RU. Yes, this is our pooch. When we rescued him, the shelter said he was cross-Poodle but mostly poodle. My hubby researched it, and we believe he may be more wirehair griffon than poodle.

When we first brought him home, he was so reserved -- I guess from being in the shelter. We gave him his puppyhood back and for the past two months he has been a typical mischievous puppy and enjoying himself. I don't think that he had ever had a marrow bone before because when we gave him the first, he didn't really know to do with it. I assure you that he knows now.

Anyway, have a great weekend everyone.

YIF

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pax

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:41 am

Mugsy's very cute! What a nice mix.

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SavannahStar

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:05 pm

Awwwwwwwww, he's precious, Yiffy!

I looooooooooooooove all doggies! Very Happy

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:38 pm

Thanks all,

Our big problem was in what language do we teach him commands. I wanted French, but my hubby felt that since we speak English at home that Mugsy be taught in English. I actually have taught him commands in both French and English, because when we go away and he goes to the doggy hotel, they don't speak English so our pooch is bilingual. Laughing

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pax

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:09 pm

That was smart. Do you have good dog hotels in France? It's more common in the States to leave them at a nice place. Kennels can be a bummer. The place where I leave Angie is like camp. No leashes, lots of outdoor running space. She sees friends there and actually has a good time. She likes to wade in a kiddie pool!

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sarge

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:02 pm

I already love Mugsey. Since he is part poodle he should be trainable to do some tricks. I know he has a very loving family. Bless you for rescuing him. He is very cute.

This is the animal rescue site. If you click once a day it gives food and care to animals in need. No money to pay. just click.
http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:12 am

sarge wrote:

Sarge, I have bookmarked the site and have just clicked. Yes, Mugsy is very intelligent and is a bundle of tricks. His favorites are picking your pocket and undoing your shoelaces and taking off your shoe without your knowing it. LOL. My hubby says that Mugsy never has an innocent look on his face.

Pax, yes, we do have a nice doggy hotel right here in St. Cyp, similar to what you describe. We're going to Morocco the first week of November so I will let you know how Mugsy liked the hotel.

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pax

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:12 am

Thanks YIF. They are all so funny. Angie is a trickster too. Last week I had some friends over for a barbeque. A few dogs borrowed some of her toys, so she went over to her favorite bone and 'covered' it with a frisbee. It was hilarious.

Thanks for the link, Sarge!

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:50 am

Just clicked again, Sarge. Let's all remember to click Sarge's link each day to help feed the animals.

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Schmerty

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:07 am

pax wrote:

Wow !I have to pay someone Mocha knows an obscene amount hourly to sit her at home . We are off to a conference soon,but she will have her own beds & toys & yard & feeding bowls & smells & runs & that give me great solace. This person met her the very day I brought her home & she really likes him & he just loves being loved.!! We call & talk to her & she licks the phone. I know I'm crazy ,but we love her so much & vice versa!!

Skipping along my own path.

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SavannahStar

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:38 am

TV Writer High Bidder on Vick Notes
The Associated Press
Friday, September 14, 2007; 7:09 PM

WASHINGTON -- A television writer and producer paid $10,200 for what an animal rights group said are notes from football star Michael Vick's speech apologizing for a dogfighting scandal.

Carol Leifer made the winning bid for the notes sold by the Humane Society of the United States. Leifer is a writer and co-executive producer of Rules of Engagement, a CBS comedy.

The eBay auction that began Sept. 4 ended on Friday.

"Michael Vick ironically never made the most important apology _ the one to the animals themselves," Leifer said in an e-mail to the Humane Society of the United States.

Vick's attorneys have said Vick did not write the notes, but declined to say whether an attorney or adviser wrote them for him. Rolling Eyes

All proceeds will be used for the group's efforts against dogfighting, said Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States.

The group said one of its employees found the notes when he retrieved his microphone from the hotel podium where Vick delivered his apology Aug. 27.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/14/AR2007091401996.html

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tulsad

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:43 am

Schmerty wrote:

pax wrote:

Schmerty - you're not crazy! You're in puppy-love. Hug

When I go away, I take my fur babies to a wonderful babysitter. They love going there; she has her own dogs and a big yard - and no leashes there, either.

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SavannahStar

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:53 am

http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/09/14/vick_0915.html

Hearing set in Falcons' bid to recoup Vick money
First of several arbitration hearings will be Oct. 4

By STEVE WYCHE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 09/15/07

Flowery Branch — The first arbitration hearing regarding the Atlanta Falcons' pursuit of $22 million in bonus money from suspended quarterback Michael Vick will be held Oct. 4, according to the team. An arbitrator that was mutually agreed upon by the NFL and the NFL Players Association will hear arguments.

It will be the first of several hearings in which how much money, if any, the Falcons can recoup from Vick, whom it has paid roughly $40 million, some in bonuses, some in base salary.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell suspended Vick indefinitely after Vick pleaded guilty, along with three other defendants, of felony dogfighting charges. Vick will be sentenced Dec. 10.

NFL teams, per the collective bargaining agreement, are allowed to seek repayment of money paid to players as a signing bonus if the players are deemed to have defaulted on their contracts. Such was the case once Vick pleaded guilty to a felony and was suspended.

How much of the money paid to Vick in signing bonuses are a point of contention since some of his base salary was converted into payments that could be deemed option bonuses or other types of bonuses.

Team owner Arthur Blank and Falcons president and general manager Rich McKay said at a press conference during the preseason that the team would "aggressively" seek repayment because any monies received could provide salary-cap relief in future years.

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SavannahStar

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:25 pm

September 05, 2007

Whoopi Apologizes for Vick Comments, But Avoids Wider Question: Why

Do So Many Black Folks Stand By Him?

UPDATE: Whoopi Goldberg clarified her comments about Michael Vick on today's View, claiming that press accounts exaggerated her explanation of Vick's involvement in dogfighting as "part of his cultural upbringing."

"I was not condoning...I did not say that I thought (Vick) was good about what he did," Goldberg said during the show's Hot Topics discussion segment today. "I condemn what he did."

Goldberg said she was trying to discuss the why of what Vick did without supporting him. "If it had been somebody from New York City, my feelings would have been very different," she said Tuesday, calling the 27-year-old Vick "a kid." "Instead of just saying he's a beast and a monster...this is a kid who comes from a culture where this is not questioned."

Of course, Vick actually grew up in a housing project in not-so-rural Newport News, Va. And, despite dropping a couple of disclaimers about Vick's activities, she seemed awfully forgiving of his transgressions, generating national headlines on her very first day replacing Rosie O'Donnell. It will be interesting to see how Goldberg weathers a job where her often-contradictory views will be picked apart daily.

Barbara Walters also dropped the bombshell that the show will welcome another person to their panel permanently on Monday (just in time for the start of the syndicated TV season). Have they finally cut a deal with Sherri Shepherd? Did they rethink initing Mario Cantone in as the first View dude?

Here's what I originally wrote about Whoopi, which I think still fits...

I always knew my column could be influential, but I never expect Whoopi to follow my advice on the same day it ran.

But there she was, bringing a bit of heat to her debut on The View by offering a bizarre defense of former NFL quarterback Michael Vick -- who has already admitted that participating in and funding an illegal dogfighting ring was "a mistake."

Here's the exchange, as reported by the New York Daily News:

"Goldberg said dogfighting "isn't that unusual" in the Deep South "where he comes from. ... It's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico. There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of the country."
Co-host Joy Behar looked horrified.
"How about dog torture and dog murdering?" Behar asked.
"Unfortunately, it's part of the thing," Goldberg said.
"Part of the fun, right?" Behar shot back.
"I don't think they see it that way. I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate," Goldberg replied."

But Goldberg's defense of Vick echoes something I've seen elsewhere in black America: a deep discomfort over the football player's fall, ranging from skepticism about the charges to outright rejection of his guilty plea and speculation about a conspiracy to bring him down.

This first surfaced when civil rights organizations such as the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP offered words of support for Vick before his guilty plea, urging against a rush to judgment for a guy who would eventually admit his role in bankrolling a dogfighting ring. Even after Vick pleaded guilty to a felony, the president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter insisted the quarterback shouldn't lose his place in the NFL.

At least, ESPN writer Jemele Hill had a more thoughtful take, noting that NFL stars accused of murder and driving while intoxicated -- offenses which threatened human lives -- got less condemnation than Vick. But at the core of many of these arguments is an uncomfortable assumption: That people are making too much of Vick's crimes because he's rich, famous, successful and black.

It's something I spoke about last year with University of Florida professor Katheryn Russell-Brown; the rush by black folks to protect other black people, especially black men, accused of crimes or wrongdoing. She wrote a book on the subject, Protecting Our Own: Race, Crime and African Americans, and noted something important:

"This really is a protective mechanism for saving community members. But also at the same time, it's an acknowledgment that the justice system is flawed and black people have been treated shabbily. Now it's about figuring out when it's in our best interests to provide this protective cloak. The cloak makes sense. I think we need to be a little more circumspect, a little more critical about who gets to wear it."

I agreed, then and now. Saying everybody does it or other crimes are worse or the justice system isn't fair doesn't cut it. And I wish prominent mouthpieces like Goldberg would stop wasting their precious media capital on a guy behind the deaths of untold numbers of dogs and who knows what else -- because dogfighting rings are tied to all manner of other organized crime activities.

Whoopi, if you're still reading my stuff, take heed: There are better ways to make the nation forget Rosie O'Donnell than standing up for a dog killer.

http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2007/09/black-folks-and.html

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Katie

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:37 pm

SavannahStar wrote:

September 05, 2007

Whoopi Apologizes for Vick Comments, But Avoids Wider Question: Why

Do So Many Black Folks Stand By Him?

UPDATE: Whoopi Goldberg clarified her comments about Michael Vick on today's View, claiming that press accounts exaggerated her explanation of Vick's involvement in dogfighting as "part of his cultural upbringing."

"I was not condoning...I did not say that I thought (Vick) was good about what he did," Goldberg said during the show's Hot Topics discussion segment today. "I condemn what he did."

Goldberg said she was trying to discuss the why of what Vick did without supporting him. "If it had been somebody from New York City, my feelings would have been very different," she said Tuesday, calling the 27-year-old Vick "a kid." "Instead of just saying he's a beast and a monster...this is a kid who comes from a culture where this is not questioned."

Of course, Vick actually grew up in a housing project in not-so-rural Newport News, Va. And, despite dropping a couple of disclaimers about Vick's activities, she seemed awfully forgiving of his transgressions, generating national headlines on her very first day replacing Rosie O'Donnell. It will be interesting to see how Goldberg weathers a job where her often-contradictory views will be picked apart daily.

Barbara Walters also dropped the bombshell that the show will welcome another person to their panel permanently on Monday (just in time for the start of the syndicated TV season). Have they finally cut a deal with Sherri Shepherd? Did they rethink initing Mario Cantone in as the first View dude?

Here's what I originally wrote about Whoopi, which I think still fits...

I always knew my column could be influential, but I never expect Whoopi to follow my advice on the same day it ran.

But there she was, bringing a bit of heat to her debut on The View by offering a bizarre defense of former NFL quarterback Michael Vick -- who has already admitted that participating in and funding an illegal dogfighting ring was "a mistake."

Here's the exchange, as reported by the New York Daily News:

"Goldberg said dogfighting "isn't that unusual" in the Deep South "where he comes from. ... It's like cockfighting in Puerto Rico. There are certain things that are indicative to certain parts of the country."
Co-host Joy Behar looked horrified.
"How about dog torture and dog murdering?" Behar asked.
"Unfortunately, it's part of the thing," Goldberg said.
"Part of the fun, right?" Behar shot back.
"I don't think they see it that way. I just thought it was interesting, because it seemed like a light went off in his head when he realized this was something that the entire country didn't appreciate," Goldberg replied."

But Goldberg's defense of Vick echoes something I've seen elsewhere in black America: a deep discomfort over the football player's fall, ranging from skepticism about the charges to outright rejection of his guilty plea and speculation about a conspiracy to bring him down.

This first surfaced when civil rights organizations such as the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP offered words of support for Vick before his guilty plea, urging against a rush to judgment for a guy who would eventually admit his role in bankrolling a dogfighting ring. Even after Vick pleaded guilty to a felony, the president of the NAACP's Atlanta chapter insisted the quarterback shouldn't lose his place in the NFL.

At least, ESPN writer Jemele Hill had a more thoughtful take, noting that NFL stars accused of murder and driving while intoxicated -- offenses which threatened human lives -- got less condemnation than Vick. But at the core of many of these arguments is an uncomfortable assumption: That people are making too much of Vick's crimes because he's rich, famous, successful and black.

It's something I spoke about last year with University of Florida professor Katheryn Russell-Brown; the rush by black folks to protect other black people, especially black men, accused of crimes or wrongdoing. She wrote a book on the subject, Protecting Our Own: Race, Crime and African Americans, and noted something important:

"This really is a protective mechanism for saving community members. But also at the same time, it's an acknowledgment that the justice system is flawed and black people have been treated shabbily. Now it's about figuring out when it's in our best interests to provide this protective cloak. The cloak makes sense. I think we need to be a little more circumspect, a little more critical about who gets to wear it."

I agreed, then and now. Saying everybody does it or other crimes are worse or the justice system isn't fair doesn't cut it. And I wish prominent mouthpieces like Goldberg would stop wasting their precious media capital on a guy behind the deaths of untold numbers of dogs and who knows what else -- because dogfighting rings are tied to all manner of other organized crime activities.

[b]Whoopi, if you're still reading my stuff, take heed: There are better ways to make the nation forget Rosie O'Donnell than standing up for a dog killer.[/b]http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2007/09/black-folks-and.html

Whoopi , you have done noting wrong except give your opinion. If the shits at fox don't like it bleep them Laughing

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SavannahStar

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:09 am

Possible Vick Murder Link in NC

N.C. murder: Possible Vick link investigated
From NBC12 News

WBTV in Charlotte, N.C., is reporting that Michael Vick and his dogfighting partners are now being investigated for a possible connection to a murder.

The owner of a dogfighting ring in Catawba County was found shot to death in his home in April. During the murder investigation detectives reportedly found documents that directly connect Melton’s dog ring with Michael Vick’s.

Stay with NBC12 for more details in this developing story.

Story Created: Sep 19, 2007 at 6:17 PM EDT
Story Updated: Sep 19, 2007 at 11:18 PM EDT

http://www.nbc12.com/home/9883742.html

Not surprising. Rolling Eyes

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SavannahStar

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:14 am

Vick Likely to Face Local Charges

Prosecutor: Michael Vick still likely to face local charges
Surry County prosecutor says "the things that occurred in Surry County have not been prosecuted at the federal level."

BY VERONICA GORLEY CHUFO | Daily Press 757-247-4741
11:29 PM EDT, September 19, 2007

SURRY - Whether Michael Vick will face local charges next week is still up in the air.

"I'm not going to move forward until I know everything is in place to successfully prosecute," Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter said Wednesday.

Vick, 27, a Newport News native and benched Atlanta Falcons quarterback, pleaded guilty to federal charges related to dogfighting on Aug. 27 and will be sentenced Dec. 10 in U.S. District Court in Richmond. He and three co-defendants admitted to operating Bad Newz Kennels, a dogfighting operation, out of property Vick owned on Moonlight Road in Surry County.

Poindexter previously said charges might come before September's grand jury, which meets Tuesday. Since then, he said, both evidence and witnesses remain in the hands of the federal prosecutors.

Charges could come Tuesday "if the commonwealth can assure the grand jury at that time that witnesses, which we don't have access to at this time, are going to be available," Poindexter said.

"Witnesses that were available to the commonwealth were subsequently not available to the commonwealth because of their involvement with the federal prosecution," he said.

Also, evidence seized when the dogfighting investigation started in April was turned over to federal prosecutors, Poindexter said.

But he said he plans to bring charges at some point.

"The things that occurred in Surry County have not been prosecuted at the federal level," Poindexter said.

Vick and his three co-defendants were charged with conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal-fighting venture.

They weren't charged with fighting or killing dogs in Surry County, crimes they admitted to in sworn statements that accompanied their plea agreements. Those statements can be used in Surry's prosecution, Poindexter said.

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tulsad

Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:29 am

I believe that if there is a link between the murder and dogfighting, it is because of the illicit nature of dogfighting; in any illegal activity (drugs, illegal gambling, prostitution, etc.) - there is a great deal of money involved and murder is common. I don't believe that a case could be made that people who participate in dogfighting are more likely to be murderers of humans.

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