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That Humane Society web site is fantastic. Here's the main link: http://www.hsus.org/
Here's the Humane Society's Sample Letter to the Editor about Dogfighting:
[Date]
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Re: Dogfighting
Dear [Mr./Ms. Last Name]:
[If you are responding to an article that has run in the publication, cite the article's title and date. Please note that the purpose of this letter is to enhance public awareness of the evils of dogfighting in general, not to make accusations against individuals or organizations or to comment on particular events. (If you have information to support specific accusations, you should contact local law enforcement agencies rather than the media.) Keep your letter general in nature, using the following text as an example.]
It is inexcusable that some people view the animal suffering involved in staged dogfights as a form of entertainment or a way to make a profit. And it is difficult to believe that this illegal and shameful activity is on the upswing.
For those who are unacquainted with dogfighting, it involves placing two dogs in a pit (usually an area enclosed by plywood walls) where they must fight before a crowd of cheering spectators until one dog becomes too injured or exhausted to continue. Dogs used in these brutal contests have been bred for maximum aggressiveness. The fights may last from several minutes to more than two hours, and the dogs usually suffer painful injuries, including multiple puncture wounds, deep lacerations, and broken bones. Dogs often die from dehydration, blood loss, infection, exhaustion, or shock as a result of a fight, and owners kill many of the losing dogs by gunshot or other methods.
Dogfighters often use stolen pets and stray or unowned animals as training fodder for their dogs. Dogfighters have also been known to obtain "bait" animals through "free to good home" advertisements.
Aside from the animal suffering involved, this so-called sport has several other disturbing aspects, which have been revealed by law enforcement raids. Gambling is the norm at dogfighting events. Thousands of dollars can change hands as spectators bet on their favorite dogs. The owner of the winning dog collects anywhere from several hundred to tens of thousands of dollars in presumably undeclared income. Because large amounts of cash are present, firearms and other weapons are common at dogfights. Violent crimes, even homicides, have been connected to dogfighting in recent years. Furthermore, law enforcement officials have documented a strong connection between dogfighting and the distribution of illegal drugs.
The presence of young children at dogfights is especially disturbing. Exposure to such brutality can promote insensitivity to animal suffering and enthusiasm for violence. Anthropologist Margaret Mead suggested that acts of cruelty to animals committed in childhood may signify the development of an impulsive, assaultive character disorder. Psychiatrists at the Menninger Foundation revealed that a history of cruelty to animals can be symptomatic of seriously abnormal aggression and that such aggression is significantly associated with aggressive behavior directed against other humans. Animal fighting is a vicious and brutal activity that can breed violence.
Dogfighting is against the law in all 50 states and a felony in almost every state. If dogfighting is to be eradicated, it must become a felony in every state. Currently, promoters and trainers simply migrate from states where dogfighting is a felony to states where the penalties are lighter or the law is not aggressively enforced. We must encourage law enforcement officials and the courts to take this crime seriously if we are to stop this violent trend.
Sincerely,
[Your Signature]
[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Your City, State, Zip]
[Your Phone Number]
[Note: Some newspapers require your address and phone number before they publish a letter to the editor, but you may request that this information be withheld.]
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | sarge wrote: | No!!!! Absolutely not!
What's up with a statement from Michael Vick saying he is immature?
Not a word saying he is sorry for the poor dogs who died? It is all
about Micheal Vick. Dog fighting is terrible. Well, duh!
What a jerk and a criminal! I just hope this judge gives him the maximum penalty. |
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS, SARGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
After reading through the news article that quoted Vick, I NEVER found once where he said "I was wrong; or what I did was wrong". I want to hear it from him that HE WAS WRONG AND HIS ACTIONS WERE WRONG.
"Terrible", yes, but where is the admission that he was WRONG?
This lower than low example deserves the most that the judge can give him.
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Here's a letter I wrote to my local paper. It was easy to send it via its web site. Feel free to use any or all parts of it if you feel like writing your paper and / or legislators.
To the Editor:
Thank you for your coverage of Michael Vick, who today admitted to torturing and killing dogs and violating federal law.
For those unacquainted with dogfighting, it involves placing two dogs in a pit where they fight before a crowd of spectators until one dog becomes too injured or exhausted to continue. It is illegal in all fifty states. Dogfighters often use stolen pets and stray animals as training fodder for their dogs.
Dogs feel pain as well as love and joy. I trust law enforcement officials and the courts in x take this crime seriously. Consider visiting the Humane Society web site at www.hsus.org to see how you can help eradicate dog fighting.
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As many have mentioned, those dogs did not die in vain. We must eliminate this senseless cruelty. Urge your legislators to prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law.
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| pax wrote: | Here's a letter I wrote to my local paper. It was easy to send it via its web site. Feel free to use any or all parts of it if you feel like writing your paper and / or legislators.
To the Editor:
Thank you for your coverage of Michael Vick, who today admitted to torturing and killing dogs and violating federal law.
For those unacquainted with dogfighting, it involves placing two dogs in a pit where they fight before a crowd of spectators until one dog becomes too injured or exhausted to continue. It is illegal in all fifty states. Dogfighters often use stolen pets and stray animals as training fodder for their dogs.
Dogs feel pain as well as love and joy. I trust law enforcement officials and the courts in x take this crime seriously. Consider visiting the Humane Society web site at www.hsus.org to see how you can help eradicate dog fighting.
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Thank you so much, pax. Our voices will be heard, make no mistake! You did a good thing. If every ONE person who heeds the call will write ONE letter.....it will make a difference.
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Thank YOU Savannah! You provided fantastic information. 
You're so right, we'll be heard.
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| pax wrote: | | As many have mentioned, those dogs did not die in vain. We must eliminate this senseless cruelty. Urge your legislators to prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law. |
Every time I hear more about this I imagine myself or my child in that pit! Dogs & all pets are our best friends,our soulmates. They add so much to our lives.I'm sorry Vick is not human enough to feel what we feel.
Everyone I meet I have been asking to contact our legislators. If you don't mind Pax, I will hand them copies of you letter since many don't write as well as you do &  many don't take the time. 
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At least it has made everybody more aware of dogfighting. Tonight on our local news they showed dogs who had been taken from another dog fighting ring in the area. This is 3 that I have heard about in the last couple of months. We are just over the SC line so they apparently go back and forth for fights.
In Georgia it is a felony now since February 2007 to hold dogfights but is still not against the law to go to a dogfight. 
Using the pitbulls as fighters and killers are part of a thug mentality. IMO, these are the same kind of people who do carjacking and drive by shootings. They have no conscience.
Dogs are nothing to them. They thrive on violence.
Pax, that is a very good letter.
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| pax wrote: | Thank YOU Savannah! You provided fantastic information.
You're so right, we'll be heard. |
Thank you Savannah and Pax!  Excellent information - presented in a non-hysterical style; much appreciated; great letter. Public awareness is the key.
Pitbulls are not only the victims in the ring, but in general. As Savannah well knows, many/most people think that PBs are all viscious and dangerous; I'm afraid of them when I see one - but I've actually met some that are very sweet, wonderful pets.
I watch the Animal Planet show about the Detroit animal control/humane society on occasion; all pitbulls found in Detroit are automatically euthanized. It may even be illegal to own one there because of the problem with dog fighting.
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| sarge wrote: | At least it has made everybody more aware of dogfighting. Tonight on our local news they showed dogs who had been taken from another dog fighting ring in the area. This is 3 that I have heard about in the last couple of months. We are just over the SC line so they apparently go back and forth for fights.
In Georgia it is a felony now since February 2007 to hold dogfights but is still not against the law to go to a dogfight.
Using the pitbulls as fighters and killers are part of a thug mentality. IMO, these are the same kind of people who do carjacking and drive by shootings. They have no conscience.
Dogs are nothing to them. They thrive on violence.
Pax, that is a very good letter. |
Sarge, if you check the Humane Society link I posted to Pax, it has a link on the site to a .pdf file which shows what states have what laws. I think in 48 it is a felony to carry out dog fighting, but in only HALF that it is a misdeanor to ATTEND a dog fight as a spectator. Pretty weird if you ask me. That's one place we need to focus our efforts, get those laws changed. And the existing laws against dog-fighting strengthened, so that those who are charged and convicted get prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I read on another site that in some areas, mostly rural south especially, it was a real "family" thing to go and watch dog fights. It turned my stomach, to think of wives and kids cheering and having a wonderful time at these places.
There are no words, really. It's so despicable it's beyond comprehension. 
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Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:34 pm |
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| Schmerty wrote: | | pax wrote: | | As many have mentioned, those dogs did not die in vain. We must eliminate this senseless cruelty. Urge your legislators to prosecute it to the fullest extent of the law. |
Every time I hear more about this I imagine myself or my child in that pit! Dogs & all pets are our best friends,our soulmates. They add so much to our lives.I'm sorry Vick is not human enough to feel what we feel.
Everyone I meet I have been asking to contact our legislators. If you don't mind Pax, I will hand them copies of you letter since many don't write as well as you do & many don't take the time. |
Thank you Schmerty. You and anyone else is welcome to use any or all of it.
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| sarge wrote: | At least it has made everybody more aware of dogfighting. Tonight on our local news they showed dogs who had been taken from another dog fighting ring in the area. This is 3 that I have heard about in the last couple of months. We are just over the SC line so they apparently go back and forth for fights.
In Georgia it is a felony now since February 2007 to hold dogfights but is still not against the law to go to a dogfight.
Using the pitbulls as fighters and killers are part of a thug mentality. IMO, these are the same kind of people who do carjacking and drive by shootings. They have no conscience.
Dogs are nothing to them. They thrive on violence.
Pax, that is a very good letter. |
Thanks sarge. Very well-said, I agree with you one hundred percent.
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| tulsad wrote: | | pax wrote: | Thank YOU Savannah! You provided fantastic information.
You're so right, we'll be heard. |
Thank you Savannah and Pax! Excellent information - presented in a non-hysterical style; much appreciated; great letter. Public awareness is the key.
Pitbulls are not only the victims in the ring, but in general. As Savannah well knows, many/most people think that PBs are all viscious and dangerous; I'm afraid of them when I see one - but I've actually met some that are very sweet, wonderful pets.
I watch the Animal Planet show about the Detroit animal control/humane society on occasion; all pitbulls found in Detroit are automatically euthanized. It may even be illegal to own one there because of the problem with dog fighting. |
Thanks Tulsad. There are many wonderful pit bulls, and I hope more people will learn that they are friendly loving animals. People who mistreat them are disgusting.
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | sarge wrote: | At least it has made everybody more aware of dogfighting. Tonight on our local news they showed dogs who had been taken from another dog fighting ring in the area. This is 3 that I have heard about in the last couple of months. We are just over the SC line so they apparently go back and forth for fights.
In Georgia it is a felony now since February 2007 to hold dogfights but is still not against the law to go to a dogfight.
Using the pitbulls as fighters and killers are part of a thug mentality. IMO, these are the same kind of people who do carjacking and drive by shootings. They have no conscience.
Dogs are nothing to them. They thrive on violence.
Pax, that is a very good letter. |
Sarge, if you check the Humane Society link I posted to Pax, it has a link on the site to a .pdf file which shows what states have what laws. I think in 48 it is a felony to carry out dog fighting, but in only HALF that it is a misdeanor to ATTEND a dog fight as a spectator. Pretty weird if you ask me. That's one place we need to focus our efforts, get those laws changed. And the existing laws against dog-fighting strengthened, so that those who are charged and convicted get prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
I read on another site that in some areas, mostly rural south especially, it was a real "family" thing to go and watch dog fights. It turned my stomach, to think of wives and kids cheering and having a wonderful time at these places.
There are no words, really. It's so despicable it's beyond comprehension. |
Another excellent point Savannah. I intend to find out more about what I can do to strengthen the laws in my state.
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Vick cancels radio appearance
06:33 AM EDT on Tuesday, August 28, 2007
Associated Press & 13News
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- Michael Vick cancelled Tuesday's radio appearance on the syndicated radio program the "Tom Joyner Morning Show," the show announced just after going on the air at 6:00 a.m. Tuesday.
The show -- which airs on stations in Virginia -- was to include questions from callers.
Joyner, who is based in Dallas, arrived at the radio station around 5:30 a.m. but it was announced that Vick had determined this wasn't the right time for him to discuss the situation.
Soon after the announcement, security guards who'd been outside the building left.
The cancellation came a day after Vick pleaded guilty to a federal dogfighting conspiracy charge.
Speaking in a low voice Tuesday, the Newport News native responded to charges he sponsored a brutal dogfighting ring that killed dogs which performed poorly.
Attorneys for the fallen NFL star say he has wanted to speak -- but they didn't want him to say anything he might regret.
Vick said he made a mistake "in using bad judgment and making bad decisions," and he called dogfighting "a terrible thing."
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| tulsad wrote: | | pax wrote: | Thank YOU Savannah! You provided fantastic information.
You're so right, we'll be heard. |
Thank you Savannah and Pax! Excellent information - presented in a non-hysterical style; much appreciated; great letter. Public awareness is the key.
Pitbulls are not only the victims in the ring, but in general. As Savannah well knows, many/most people think that PBs are all viscious and dangerous; I'm afraid of them when I see one - but I've actually met some that are very sweet, wonderful pets.
I watch the Animal Planet show about the Detroit animal control/humane society on occasion; all pitbulls found in Detroit are automatically euthanized. It may even be illegal to own one there because of the problem with dog fighting. |
Oh how true, tulsad, and thanks for this post! At one time I bought into ALL of the pitbull myths......well I had a complete turnaround once a pitbull was "plopped into my lap" (that's my story......didn't want one, my son did, and I caved in......BEST decision I ever made).
You're right, in many locales it is common to "automatically" euthanize pitbulls...or even any dog remotely thought to be a pitbull! (And often, people are WRONG with their guess!) Also, there are a number of cities with pitbull bans in effect. Miami, in my state, is one of them.
All very sad, but as I've said, I see the tide turning......SLOWLY.
Funny, if you look back on the history of the breed, they were once thought of as "America's dog".....VERY popular during both world wars. Helen Keller had a pitbull. A pitbull was in Spanky and Our Gang. Pitbulls were once called "the nanny dog" because of how good they were with children.
I could go on and on.......don't get me started, LOL!
Anyway, thanks for that post.
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | tulsad wrote: | | pax wrote: | Thank YOU Savannah! You provided fantastic information.
You're so right, we'll be heard. |
Thank you Savannah and Pax! Excellent information - presented in a non-hysterical style; much appreciated; great letter. Public awareness is the key.
Pitbulls are not only the victims in the ring, but in general. As Savannah well knows, many/most people think that PBs are all viscious and dangerous; I'm afraid of them when I see one - but I've actually met some that are very sweet, wonderful pets.
I watch the Animal Planet show about the Detroit animal control/humane society on occasion; all pitbulls found in Detroit are automatically euthanized. It may even be illegal to own one there because of the problem with dog fighting. |
Oh how true, tulsad, and thanks for this post! At one time I bought into ALL of the pitbull myths......well I had a complete turnaround once a pitbull was "plopped into my lap" (that's my story......didn't want one, my son did, and I caved in......BEST decision I ever made).
You're right, in many locales it is common to "automatically" euthanize pitbulls...or even any dog remotely thought to be a pitbull! (And often, people are WRONG with their guess!) Also, there are a number of cities with pitbull bans in effect. Miami, in my state, is one of them.
All very sad, but as I've said, I see the tide turning......SLOWLY.
Funny, if you look back on the history of the breed, they were once thought of as "America's dog".....VERY popular during both world wars. Helen Keller had a pitbull. A pitbull was in Spanky and Our Gang. Pitbulls were once called "the nanny dog" because of how good they were with children.
I could go on and on.......don't get me started, LOL!
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I have a German Shepherd and he is so trainable that someone could easily train him to be a fighter. It's all in how a dog is treated and trained.
The Pitbulls and Rotweillers in my town are the drug dealer's choice of dogs. The local police do what they can to investigate suspicious situations when they are made aware of but I think it is only the tip of the iceberg. A lot of dog horror stories have been printed in the paper. There have been stories of puppies being fed red pepper in their dogfood. It is supposed to make them meaner.
I recently read that the shelters in Miami and surrounding area will no longer take Pitbulls in because they have been trained to be so aggressive they cannot be rehabilitated. It just makes me sick.
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | tulsad wrote: | | pax wrote: | Thank YOU Savannah! You provided fantastic information.
You're so right, we'll be heard. |
Thank you Savannah and Pax! Excellent information - presented in a non-hysterical style; much appreciated; great letter. Public awareness is the key.
Pitbulls are not only the victims in the ring, but in general. As Savannah well knows, many/most people think that PBs are all viscious and dangerous; I'm afraid of them when I see one - but I've actually met some that are very sweet, wonderful pets.
I watch the Animal Planet show about the Detroit animal control/humane society on occasion; all pitbulls found in Detroit are automatically euthanized. It may even be illegal to own one there because of the problem with dog fighting. |
Oh how true, tulsad, and thanks for this post! At one time I bought into ALL of the pitbull myths......well I had a complete turnaround once a pitbull was "plopped into my lap" (that's my story......didn't want one, my son did, and I caved in......BEST decision I ever made).
You're right, in many locales it is common to "automatically" euthanize pitbulls...or even any dog remotely thought to be a pitbull! (And often, people are WRONG with their guess!) Also, there are a number of cities with pitbull bans in effect. Miami, in my state, is one of them.
All very sad, but as I've said, I see the tide turning......SLOWLY.
Funny, if you look back on the history of the breed, they were once thought of as "America's dog".....VERY popular during both world wars. Helen Keller had a pitbull. A pitbull was in Spanky and Our Gang. Pitbulls were once called "the nanny dog" because of how good they were with children.
I could go on and on.......don't get me started, LOL!
Anyway, thanks for that post. |
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| sarge wrote: |
I have a German Shepherd and he is so trainable that someone could easily train him to be a fighter. It's all in how a dog is treated and trained.
The Pitbulls and Rotweillers in my town are the drug dealer's choice of dogs. The local police do what they can to investigate suspicious situations when they are made aware of but I think it is only the tip of the iceberg. A lot of dog horror stories have been printed in the paper. There have been stories of puppies being fed red pepper in their dogfood. It is supposed to make them meaner.
I recently read that the shelters in Miami and surrounding area will no longer take Pitbulls in because they have been trained to be so aggressive they cannot be rehabilitated. It just makes me sick. |
I've heard of dogs being fed METH to get them to be mean fighters, sarge!
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It makes me sad too Sarge. Unspeakable cruelty toward animals bums me out.
I hope on this thread we can talk about more things that make us feel better, and not paralyzed.
Something good is supporting the local animal shelter, particularly with spay and neuter programs.
Savannah and everyone, please keep talking about what you are doing to help. It's inspiring.
What I did today: called a reporter at the other local newspaper, to suggest covering a meeting tonight. It's the first meeting of the city council to discuss a development plan to build 700 units of housing on the spot where we have the town's only leash-free dog park. The reporter was interested, took notes, and is passing the information along to the City Hall reporter, who is going to call me.
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http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 
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LOVE IT, ATA....and of course I LOVE YOUR AV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| pax wrote: | It makes me sad too Sarge. Unspeakable cruelty toward animals bums me out.
I hope on this thread we can talk about more things that make us feel better, and not paralyzed.
Something good is supporting the local animal shelter, particularly with spay and neuter programs.
Savannah and everyone, please keep talking about what you are doing to help. It's inspiring.
What I did today: called a reporter at the other local newspaper, to suggest covering a meeting tonight. It's the first meeting of the city council to discuss a development plan to build 700 units of housing on the spot where we have the town's only leash-free dog park. The reporter was interested, took notes, and is passing the information along to the City Hall reporter, who is going to call me. |
It is a very good thing in a city to have a place where people can bring their dogs and socialize them and especially in downtown areas.
Children who are taught from an early age to disrespect animals will grow up to be adults who have no feeling toward animals or humanity.
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Thanks Sarge.
The meeting was excellent. Someone on the City Council said they expected under 100 people and we had 400. The plans are at a very early stage and don't necessarily have to include the dog park. Our voices will be heard! It's fun getting more involved with the community. Saw a lot of dog park friends there, and we are joking about making t-shirts that read: SAVE OUR DOG PARK OR I'LL PEE ON YOUR LEG.
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