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dithers
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Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:10 pm |
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Taliban rises again - Where are the bleeding hearts now?
So where the hell are the bleeding hearts who are always decrying America's treatment of prisoners or supposed inhumane actions around the world?!?!?!?!? Two German hostages killed in cold blood last week. Already one Korean hostage killed - his body riddled with bullet holes from head to toe from what I've read - leaving him looking like a piece of Swiss cheese. And yet nary a peep from all the whiners and cry-babies who always want to make the U.S. seem so big, bad and ugly.
And so now the Taliban issues a statement that they will commit further cold-blooded murder on Monday by killing 22 more innocent people. Can one even begin to imagine if the U.S. or any other Western power made such a statement - even if it was an announcement that they were going to do as much to convicted terrorists or murderers?!?!?!?
Come on out of the woodwork bleeding hearts!!! Where are you all? Your silence speaks volumes as to the true sentiments in your anti-whatever messages.
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KABUL, Afghanistan (Reuters) -- Taliban leaders said on Sunday their fighters would kill 22 remaining South Korean hostages if the Afghan government did not release rebel prisoners by a new deadline of 0730 GMT on Monday, a spokesman said.
Taliban spokesman Qari Mohammad Yousuf said the deadline had been set by the Taliban leadership council, headed by elusive leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, giving the threat added weight.
The kidnappers killed the leader of the Korean group on Wednesday, but several further deadlines have passed without the rebels carrying out their threat to kill the remaining hostages.
"Since the talks between us, the Kabul administration and Korean government have reached deadlock and they are not honest ... hence, we will start killing the hostages if they do not start releasing our prisoners by tomorrow at 12 o'clock," Yousuf told Reuters by telephone from an unknown location.
Sporadic talks between the Afghan government and South Korean diplomats on one side and Taliban rebels on the other have continually snagged over the rebel demand for Kabul to swap jailed insurgents for the Koreans.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai has previously ruled out any deal with the Taliban after coming under harsh criticism for freeing five rebel prisoners in exchange for the release of an Italian hostage in March.
In his first comments on the latest hostage case, Karzai condemned the kidnapping, but did not say whether any deal might be possible.
"Hostage-taking and the abuse of foreign guests, especially women, is against Islam and Afghan culture and the perpetration of this heinous act on our soil is in total contempt of our Islamic and Afghan values," a spokesman quoted him as saying.
An Afghan minister said on Saturday force might be used if talks fail.
Pope Benedict on Sunday called the kidnapping a "grave violation of human dignity that clashes with every elementary norm of civility and rights and gravely offends divine law".
Eighteen of the remaining hostages are women. Yousuf said some of the captives -- being held in small groups at different locations -- were sick.
Ghazni's governor, Mirajuddin Pathan, said medicines the Korean government had wanted to send could not be delivered on Saturday because the Afghan team could not establish contact with the Taliban.
Pathan said the government did not want to use force to rescue the hostages. "We have no plan of attack. We are trying to send the delegation for more talks," he told Reuters.
In addition to Afghan forces, foreign troops are also stationed in Ghazni.
South Korean special envoy Baek Jong-chun met Karzai on Sunday to discuss ways to end the hostages' ordeal. |
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| yankee-in-france
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:02 am |
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-- well, hey, I'm here, and what do I have to say about it. OK, you asked.
I think that the powers that be should have paid more attention to Afghanistan and left Iraq alone. Yes, we should have rooted out the Taliban years ago and we might have even gotten UBL, but no, Iraq was more important.
It is horrible to know that these remaining hostages will probably die as well. I don't believe it is a good idea to give into them or these kidnappings will increase IMO.
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| dithers
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:53 am |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | -- well, hey, I'm here, and what do I have to say about it. OK, you asked.
I think that the powers that be should have paid more attention to Afghanistan and left Iraq alone. Yes, we should have rooted out the Taliban years ago and we might have even gotten UBL, but no, Iraq was more important.
It is horrible to know that these remaining hostages will probably die as well. I don't believe it is a good idea to give into them or these kidnappings will increase IMO. |
We toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan in a matter of weeks or days. If we'd continued fighting after Karzai took over I'm sure the anti-war crowd would have been boo-hooing that we just get the heck out and let the Afghani's handle it themselves.
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| yankee-in-france
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:15 pm |
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| dithers wrote: | | yankee-in-france wrote: | -- well, hey, I'm here, and what do I have to say about it. OK, you asked.
I think that the powers that be should have paid more attention to Afghanistan and left Iraq alone. Yes, we should have rooted out the Taliban years ago and we might have even gotten UBL, but no, Iraq was more important.
It is horrible to know that these remaining hostages will probably die as well. I don't believe it is a good idea to give into them or these kidnappings will increase IMO. |
We toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan in a matter of weeks or days. If we'd continued fighting after Karzai took over I'm sure the anti-war crowd would have been boo-hooing that we just get the heck out and let the Afghani's handle it themselves. |
Dithers, my friend, you are now assuming what the anti-war crowd would say. I do not recall any demonstrations against the Afghanistan campaign. The country was united on that one. I supported that effort. I am not speaking for anyone but myself, but please don't assume that because people oppose the Iraqi war that they automatically opposed the effort in Afghanistan. That effort was critical, and IMO, we failed there as well. Merely toppling the Taliban was not enough. They had to be rooted out. We did not do that. We did not pursue UBL as diligently as we could have or should have.
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| Sarahpl70
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Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:35 pm |
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Why would anyone want to emulate the Taliban?
Who protested the war against Afghanistan?
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:45 am |
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Welcome to RU, Sarah. Just noticed it was your first post.
Like you, I do not recall any opposition to the Afghanistan campaign.
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| dithers
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:34 am |
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Don't twist my words. I didn't say there was any opposition to the Afghanistan campaign. I said if we'd stayed once they were booted out and Karzai took over that there would have been pressure to leave.
How would you root out all of the Taliban?
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 8:15 am |
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Morning, Dithers,
Maybe I am not quite with it, but when exactly did we leave Afghanistan? I must have missed our exit because I thought we were still there.
I am not being a smartass. I am serious.
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| Ghost Writer
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 9:07 am |
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oh goody.
bush is heading towards actually going into pakistan to find bin laden and supporters.
will this be before or after we sell the weapons to saudi ? 
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| dithers
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Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:40 am |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | Morning, Dithers,
Maybe I am not quite with it, but when exactly did we leave Afghanistan? I must have missed our exit because I thought we were still there.
I am not being a smartass. I am serious.
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Yes, we're still there but the way you talked of it as having been a failed enterprise I figured you thought we'd left and so simply went along with your notion.
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| resigned
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Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:45 am |
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I've seen enough of George Wile E Coyete's War of Terror.
We went a messing, where we shouldn't have been messing.........
Bring 'em home. It won't be easy whether it is sooner or later....only more lives will be spared if it is sooner. IMO
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| Sarahpl70
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:54 am |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | Welcome to RU, Sarah. Just noticed it was your first post.
Like you, I do not recall any opposition to the Afghanistan campaign. |
Thank you.
And, like you, I do not recall our leaving Afghananistan, either.
Has Bush found Bin Laden dead or alive yet?
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| pax
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Tue Aug 14, 2007 2:12 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | I've seen enough of George Wile E Coyete's War of Terror.
We went a messing, where we shouldn't have been messing.........
Bring 'em home. It won't be easy whether it is sooner or later....only more lives will be spared if it is sooner. IMO |
Also $2 billion a week. Economics 101 covers guns and butter. I'd rather have health care or save money for repairing infrastructure than pay war profiteers.
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| dithers
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:51 pm |
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| pax wrote: | | resigned wrote: | I've seen enough of George Wile E Coyete's War of Terror.
We went a messing, where we shouldn't have been messing.........
Bring 'em home. It won't be easy whether it is sooner or later....only more lives will be spared if it is sooner. IMO |
Also $2 billion a week. Economics 101 covers guns and butter. I'd rather have health care or save money for repairing infrastructure than pay war profiteers. |
If the money would have gone to healthcare then why didn't we have it before the war started?
Infrastructure? The money is there only it's being misappropriated by the clowns in DC. Like the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska. It was to have cost twice as much as what the new bridge in Minneapolis will cost.
And Minneapolis? The very night the bridge collapsed they were set for a big ground-breaking ceremony to celebrate a new taxpayer funded baseball park for the Twins. Shows where the priorities are.
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| pax
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Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:53 pm |
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The bridge to nowhere (promoted by Republican Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, now under FBI criminal investigation) is evidence of wasteful spending. It's a drop in the bucket compared to George W. Bush's profligate spending.
Harry Truman said the buck stops here. Bush apologists pass the buck. President Clinton balanced the budget and left a surplus. President Bush has run up the largest deficit in history, even as adjusted for inflation. That spending is on war, the most capitol-intensive industry known to man.
You want to continue the war (half a trillion spent thus far, and a cost of approximately $2 billion per week), provide health care, and repair infrastructure? How would you propose doing that without raising taxes or moving toward totalitarianism?
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:14 am |
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well, i'm not going to get into any arguments, just taking a stance, and from all our guys who have came back, that i have talked to, they all said we need to be there, and would go back in a moments notice. and with all the stuff out, i tend to follow what the soldiers i have heard from believe. other than that i dont know what else to say
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:13 am |
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| pax wrote: | | You want to continue the war (half a trillion spent thus far, and a cost of approximately $2 billion per week), provide health care, and repair infrastructure? How would you propose doing that without raising taxes or moving toward totalitarianism? |
Simple. Just borrow the money on the open market. Eventually this will increase money supply, which, ceteris paribus, will result in inflation.
Because inflation manifests itself in higher prices for goods and labour total tax income will increase without having to raise tax rates. With that extra tax income you pay the interest on the additional loans.
Works like a charm.
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:11 am |
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Inflation - the cruelest tax of all
http://goldismoney.info/forums/archive/index.php/t-11195.html
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| pax
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:19 am |
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| dugo wrote: | | pax wrote: | | You want to continue the war (half a trillion spent thus far, and a cost of approximately $2 billion per week), provide health care, and repair infrastructure? How would you propose doing that without raising taxes or moving toward totalitarianism? |
Simple. Just borrow the money on the open market. Eventually this will increase money supply, which, ceteris paribus, will result in inflation.
Because inflation manifests itself in higher prices for goods and labour total tax income will increase without having to raise tax rates. With that extra tax income you pay the interest on the additional loans.
Works like a charm. |
Ha ha! The Euro dollar has benefitted from reckless debt-spending by the 'not conservative' Bush republicans.
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| dithers
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:10 pm |
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| effycat wrote: | | well, i'm not going to get into any arguments, just taking a stance, and from all our guys who have came back, that i have talked to, they all said we need to be there, and would go back in a moments notice. and with all the stuff out, i tend to follow what the soldiers i have heard from believe. other than that i dont know what else to say |
That's all you need to say effycat. I agree with you 100%.
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| dugo
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:28 pm |
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| pax wrote: | | dugo wrote: | | pax wrote: | | You want to continue the war (half a trillion spent thus far, and a cost of approximately $2 billion per week), provide health care, and repair infrastructure? How would you propose doing that without raising taxes or moving toward totalitarianism? |
Simple. Just borrow the money on the open market. Eventually this will increase money supply, which, ceteris paribus, will result in inflation.
Because inflation manifests itself in higher prices for goods and labour total tax income will increase without having to raise tax rates. With that extra tax income you pay the interest on the additional loans.
Works like a charm. |
Ha ha! The Euro dollar has benefitted from reckless debt-spending by the 'not conservative' Bush republicans. |
And that benefits who!? Those with specualtive options maybe.. In an open economy with a trade surplus all we get here is exporters moaning about dropping sales, USAians not buying our products because they are too expensive, or exporters moaning about how they sold their stuff in USD and when payday came the USD was worth shit.
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| pax
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Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:55 pm |
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Interesting dugo, thanks for the explanation. Were you joking in the earlier post about inflation? It's hard to tell sometimes.
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