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sarge
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It explains to me why Deepak has been so protective of Satish if he did accidently hit N with the car.
I do believe they are talking about Natalee because they keep referring to her in the conversation as "the girl". Joran may have been telling the truth when he said he did not even remember Natalee's name when the Mtn Brook gang came to his house.
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Re: Tapes Transcript! Via Arubagirl!
[quote="Karamel"] | sunshine wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | D=Deepak
J=Joran
S=Satish
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Its possible that Paulus said something like "Well, you all dont need to worry. I think the girl just ran off. SInce she isnt dead, you all didnt do anything, and you wont be charged with anything. IF a body is found, and IF it is her, then you all would have a problem."
Now, those are just my words, but it is possible that he said something along those lines, and that is where the "no body no case" famous phrase came from. |
i remember an interview with paulus talking about just that . that is pretty much what he said and meant. i have no idea where it was though.
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| paprikash
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Re: Taking comments on tape
| refugee_lurker wrote: | Martha@foxnews.com is taking comments on case.
Now, that we've heard more of the tape and it doesn't support the Twit's, FoxNews is claiming they have a report that the boys knew they were being taped. But officials says they thinks it's genuine.
Jossy was on earlier saying it proved the boys were guilty. Now, that the family realize the tape is backfiring, they are putting out the story that the boys knew they were being taped. Will they ever quit this nonsense? |
I know that is a rhetorical question, but the only way they will quit is when the media stops giving them a forum or if it becomes too financially painful to continue because of lawsuits.
Thanks, AG, I would also love to see these in Dutch.
These kids sound exactly like three young guys that the police are squeezing and manipulating.
I have to agree with Rohn, though....why did Deepak bring all these other people in? Or were the police telling Joran that Deepak was implicating others but Deepak never did, other than Steve Croes. I know the security guards were NOT picked up because of the boys. It never was Joran that implicated others. It seems strange to me that Deepak would do this rather than admit Satish took Joran home.
I realize the last man out is not a good position, but to implicate others? I would like to find out exactly what happened.
And from the tape, it really does sound as if Satish took Joran home.
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| paprikash
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| sarge wrote: | It explains to me why Deepak has been so protective of Satish if he did accidently hit N with the car.
I do believe they are talking about Natalee because they keep referring to her in the conversation as "the girl". Joran may have been telling the truth when he said he did not even remember Natalee's name when the Mtn Brook gang came to his house. |
I think they are talking about something from the past.
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| sunshine
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Re: Tapes Transcript! Via Arubagirl!
[quote="Karamel"] | sunshine wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | D=Deepak
J=Joran
S=Satish
J to D: Right, retard
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father
S to J: We didn't declare anything
J to the brothers: Or course you did
S to J: What did I tell against your father
J to the brothers: You [plural you] are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body] there is no case or I don't what all shit.
J to the brothers: That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is if there is no body [lichaam = body] then there isn't a case
D to J: Yes, that's true
J to D: That's not true
D to J: I also said in my statement that it wasn't meant like that
J to D: Didn't read it in your statement J to D: They use that now against my father
D to J: We suffered a lot because of you
J to the brothers: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that, fuck you. If you let me suffer I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. i can just sit here for 160 days, it doesn't make a fucking difference to me. I'm sitting good here
Heard istraight from the horses mouth....Why would Paulus make this comment? Whether he said it in the context of a live body or a dead body....WHY make this statement if they never committed a crime? If the boys are innocent, and they did nothing wrong, it would have never been said. |
Its possible that Paulus said something like "Well, you all dont need to worry. I think the girl just ran off. SInce she isnt dead, you all didnt do anything, and you wont be charged with anything. IF a body is found, and IF it is her, then you all would have a problem."
Now, those are just my words, but it is possible that he said something along those lines, and that is where the "no body no case" famous phrase came from. |
In my thoughts too....K, even so, why even worry about a "body" if they did not do anything? If their stories checked out they would have been cleared and there would be no need to even speak about that. It is not a statement normal people would make just talking with an innocent perp. If they are innocent and Nat's body is found somewhere, and they have NOTHING to do with her death/disappearance, why even mention it? Paulus is supposed to be a smart man. He should know that statement is irrelevant to J2K's involvement.
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| sarge wrote: | It explains to me why Deepak has been so protective of Satish if he did accidently hit N with the car.
I do believe they are talking about Natalee because they keep referring to her in the conversation as "the girl". Joran may have been telling the truth when he said he did not even remember Natalee's name when the Mtn Brook gang came to his house. |
If this is a possible scenarioof what may have happened that night, shouldn't J2K still be responsible?
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| Karamel
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Sunshine,
I understand what you are saying.
I just dont know. I can come up with a couple scenarios, but then when I try to put them down into words, they sound stupid.
So, I concur -- those words shouldn't have been used, UNLESS the three (or two) were worried about someone finding a body.
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arubagirl....thanks for your translation!
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| Karamel wrote: | Sunshine,
I understand what you are saying.
I just dont know. I can come up with a couple scenarios, but then when I try to put them down into words, they sound stupid.
So, I concur -- those words shouldn't have been used, UNLESS the three (or two) were worried about someone finding a body. |
Karamel---I agree. Seems pretty darn logical.
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| SavannahStar
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Re: Taking comments on tape
| sunshine wrote: | | refugee_lurker wrote: | Martha@foxnews.com is taking comments on case.
Now, that we've heard more of the tape and it doesn't support the Twit's, FoxNews is claiming they have a report that the boys knew they were being taped. But officials says they thinks it's genuine.
Jossy was on earlier saying it proved the boys were guilty. Now, that the family realize the tape is backfiring, they are putting out the story that the boys knew they were being taped. Will they ever quit this nonsense? |
Use your heads here people...Any suspect being held in jail has got to know that they are being taped/watched. Even the biggest moron could figure that one out. Any good lawyer or parent would tell the 3 the same. |
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:17 pm |
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Re: Tapes Transcript! Via Arubagirl!
| Karamel wrote: | | sunshine wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | D=Deepak
J=Joran
S=Satish
J to D: Right, retard
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father
S to J: We didn't declare anything
J to the brothers: Or course you did
S to J: What did I tell against your father
J to the brothers: You [plural you] are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body] there is no case or I don't what all shit.
J to the brothers: That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is if there is no body [lichaam = body] then there isn't a case
D to J: Yes, that's true
J to D: That's not true
D to J: I also said in my statement that it wasn't meant like that
J to D: Didn't read it in your statement J to D: They use that now against my father
D to J: We suffered a lot because of you
J to the brothers: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that, fuck you. If you let me suffer I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. i can just sit here for 160 days, it doesn't make a fucking difference to me. I'm sitting good here
Heard istraight from the horses mouth....Why would Paulus make this comment? Whether he said it in the context of a live body or a dead body....WHY make this statement if they never committed a crime? If the boys are innocent, and they did nothing wrong, it would have never been said. |
Its possible that Paulus said something like "Well, you all dont need to worry. I think the girl just ran off. SInce she isnt dead, you all didnt do anything, and you wont be charged with anything. IF a body is found, and IF it is her, then you all would have a problem."
Now, those are just my words, but it is possible that he said something along those lines, and that is where the "no body no case" famous phrase came from. |
In my thoughts too....K, even so, why even worry about a "body" if they did not do anything? If their stories checked out they would have been cleared and there would be no need to even speak about that. It is not a statement normal people would make just talking with an innocent perp. If they are innocent and Nat's body is found somewhere, and they have NOTHING to do with her death/disappearance, why even mention it? Paulus is supposed to be a smart man. He should know that statement is irrelevant to J2K's involvement. |
Do you know any lawyers? Isn't PVDS one. Sounds like accurate and common legal advice to me, that Joran obviously thought was misinterpreted (thus calling into question the cop's translation of what Joran said).
Perhaps the conversation went like this:
2K: Why are they hounding us, what do they want? Why hasn' t the girl shown up? What if something happened later and they try to blame us? They mentioned rape and murder. Please give us some guidance Mr. VDS.
PVDS: Well, first of all, calm down about the murder stuff. That's just LE's BS. They know that without a body, there is no proof a murder even occured, they're just trying to scare you.....
WAY too much has been read into this comment. It's just an accurate statement to calm a couple of frightened kids.
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| Glenda
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| sunshine wrote: | | sarge wrote: | It explains to me why Deepak has been so protective of Satish if he did accidently hit N with the car.
I do believe they are talking about Natalee because they keep referring to her in the conversation as "the girl". Joran may have been telling the truth when he said he did not even remember Natalee's name when the Mtn Brook gang came to his house. |
If this is a possible scenarioof what may have happened that night, shouldn't J2K still be responsible? |
SARGE, there was no crime scene, no blood, impossible senerio. The cops tested the car on May 31st, keep it over night then returned it. The CAR HAD no dents and NO BLOOD.
As for telling the truth, The School picture of the pretty photoshoped girl looked nothing like the sweaty girl whose make up had run off while dancing in the middle of the night after drinking. And he thought her name was Kathleen not Natalee.
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I think if there was anything incriminating in those tapes the ALE would have used it against the boys months ago. The sheer fact that everyone gets something different out of those tapes proves they are of no use and don't mean anything one way or the other.
Someone with an agenda released those tapes, they are worthless.
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| Quote: | S to J: Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah, then I had a flit [flat] tire, right?
S to J: Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah I piced you up, right and t hen I went back to the beach for her
J to S: Who has said that
S to J: You said that
J to S: I have never said that friend
J to S: I have never said that you [single you] went back friend
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anyone notice that satish says jorn said he picked him up? Satish doesn't deny picking him up! And joran doesn't deny saying satish picked him just that he didn't say staish went back.
That confrims jorans story about satish picking him up was something he said early on not just before he gave the interviews here in the states.
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| sunshine wrote: | | Karamel wrote: | Sunshine,
I understand what you are saying.
I just dont know. I can come up with a couple scenarios, but then when I try to put them down into words, they sound stupid.
So, I concur -- those words shouldn't have been used, UNLESS the three (or two) were worried about someone finding a body. |
Karamel---I agree. Seems pretty darn logical. |
Not logical at all. See my post above.
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| Holmes wrote: | | sunshine wrote: | | Karamel wrote: | Sunshine,
I understand what you are saying.
I just dont know. I can come up with a couple scenarios, but then when I try to put them down into words, they sound stupid.
So, I concur -- those words shouldn't have been used, UNLESS the three (or two) were worried about someone finding a body. |
Karamel---I agree. Seems pretty darn logical. |
Not logical at all. See my post above. |
Thank you, Holmes!
That sounds reasonable to me, but like I said, I couldnt put it into words very well. 
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| Glenda
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| kalekona wrote: | | Quote: | S to J: Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah, then I had a flit [flat] tire, right?
S to J: Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah I piced you up, right and t hen I went back to the beach for her
J to S: Who has said that
S to J: You said that
J to S: I have never said that friend
J to S: I have never said that you [single you] went back friend
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anyone notice that satish says jorn said he picked him up? Satish doesn't deny picking him up! And joran doesn't deny saying satish picked him just that he didn't say staish went back.
That confrims jorans story about satish picking him up was something he said early on not just before he gave the interviews here in the states. |
There is an INSTANT MESSAGE from DEEPAK to another friend stating that his brother picked up Joran from the beach, dropped him off at his house and went home. This is EVIDENCE -- the judge has seen it.
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| Holmes wrote: | | sunshine wrote: | | Karamel wrote: | Sunshine,
I understand what you are saying.
I just dont know. I can come up with a couple scenarios, but then when I try to put them down into words, they sound stupid.
So, I concur -- those words shouldn't have been used, UNLESS the three (or two) were worried about someone finding a body. |
Karamel---I agree. Seems pretty darn logical. |
Not logical at all. See my post above. |
I totally agree Holmes.
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I just heard that HMI & Co. are now trying to spin this ..
that Joran 'signalled' Deepak & Satish that they were being bugged when he mentioned something about the "jackpot' phone call. They (HMI) are now trying to spin it that this whole conversation was an 'act'.
I guess since releasing this backfired in their faces.. now they are doing a 180 and trying to see if they can do any damage.. however, its STILL backfiring in their faces....
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| Nena wrote: | I just heard that HMI & Co. are now trying to spin this ..
that Joran 'signalled' Deepak & Satish that they were being bugged when he mentioned something about the "jackpot' phone call. They (HMI) are now trying to spin it that this whole conversation was an 'act'.
I guess since releasing this backfired in their faces.. now they are doing a 180 and trying to see if they can do any damage.. however, its STILL backfiring in their faces.... |
And it's just incredible how many people will buy into everything that they say.
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| Glenda wrote: | | kalekona wrote: | | Quote: | S to J: Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahyeah, then I had a flit [flat] tire, right?
S to J: Yeahyeahyeahyeahyeah I piced you up, right and t hen I went back to the beach for her
J to S: Who has said that
S to J: You said that
J to S: I have never said that friend
J to S: I have never said that you [single you] went back friend
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anyone notice that satish says jorn said he picked him up? Satish doesn't deny picking him up! And joran doesn't deny saying satish picked him just that he didn't say staish went back.
That confrims jorans story about satish picking him up was something he said early on not just before he gave the interviews here in the states. |
There is an INSTANT MESSAGE from DEEPAK to another friend stating that his brother picked up Joran from the beach, dropped him off at his house and went home. This is EVIDENCE -- the judge has seen it. |
thanks.
it looks like all the little things are coming to the surface.
so has everyone heard fox is now reporting that LE have said the three KNEW they were being recorded in the van>> but KJ says it looked real to her.
spin spin spin spin.
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here is what paulus says about "coaching j2k in a nova interview
Paulus van der Sloot: Together with the fact that I allegedly instructed the boys, Deepak, Satish and Joran what they should do, say or do, in case of a possible apprehension. And indeed, I have, when I foresaw that they could go from witness to suspect, explained them the procedure, with the intention that they will not panic. But, also that was enough for the prosecutor's office to suspect me of complicity.
http://scrux.com/natalee/paulusinterview.htm
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i wish we could hear the tape, even not understanding the words, the tones and inflections would put more meaning to the transcript.
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Re: Tapes Transcript! Via Arubagirl!
| Holmes wrote: | | Karamel wrote: | | sunshine wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | D=Deepak
J=Joran
S=Satish
J to D: Right, retard
D to J: Your own father, unbelievable
J to D: Wat my father,it is your [plural your] fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you [plural you] declared against my father
S to J: We didn't declare anything
J to the brothers: Or course you did
S to J: What did I tell against your father
J to the brothers: You [plural you] are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body] there is no case or I don't what all shit.
J to the brothers: That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is if there is no body [lichaam = body] then there isn't a case
D to J: Yes, that's true
J to D: That's not true
D to J: I also said in my statement that it wasn't meant like that
J to D: Didn't read it in your statement J to D: They use that now against my father
D to J: We suffered a lot because of you
J to the brothers: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that, fuck you. If you let me suffer I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. i can just sit here for 160 days, it doesn't make a fucking difference to me. I'm sitting good here
Heard istraight from the horses mouth....Why would Paulus make this comment? Whether he said it in the context of a live body or a dead body....WHY make this statement if they never committed a crime? If the boys are innocent, and they did nothing wrong, it would have never been said. |
Its possible that Paulus said something like "Well, you all dont need to worry. I think the girl just ran off. SInce she isnt dead, you all didnt do anything, and you wont be charged with anything. IF a body is found, and IF it is her, then you all would have a problem."
Now, those are just my words, but it is possible that he said something along those lines, and that is where the "no body no case" famous phrase came from. |
In my thoughts too....K, even so, why even worry about a "body" if they did not do anything? If their stories checked out they would have been cleared and there would be no need to even speak about that. It is not a statement normal people would make just talking with an innocent perp. If they are innocent and Nat's body is found somewhere, and they have NOTHING to do with her death/disappearance, why even mention it? Paulus is supposed to be a smart man. He should know that statement is irrelevant to J2K's involvement. |
Do you know any lawyers? Isn't PVDS one. Sounds like accurate and common legal advice to me, that Joran obviously thought was misinterpreted (thus calling into question the cop's translation of what Joran said).
Perhaps the conversation went like this:
2K: Why are they hounding us, what do they want? Why hasn' t the girl shown up? What if something happened later and they try to blame us? They mentioned rape and murder. Please give us some guidance Mr. VDS.
PVDS: Well, first of all, calm down about the murder stuff. That's just LE's BS. They know that without a body, there is no proof a murder even occured, they're just trying to scare you.....
WAY too much has been read into this comment. It's just an accurate statement to calm a couple of frightened kids. |
IMO_It is still not logical for 2k to say that statement in police interrogation. What does that statement have to do with their defense? To just say that to police is foolish.
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SARGE, there was no crime scene, no blood, impossible senerio. The cops tested the car on May 31st, keep it over night then returned it. The CAR HAD no dents and NO BLOOD.
As for telling the truth, The School picture of the pretty photoshoped girl looked nothing like the sweaty girl whose make up had run off while dancing in the middle of the night after drinking. And he thought her name was Kathleen not Natalee. |
Not only that, but from the pictures I've seen of Natalee's outfit that night, her skirt would have to be rearranged to accommodate jell-o shots on he belly button.
Jell-o shots are very sticky. Natalee would probably need to change clothes or at least spot clean what she was wearing.
That would most likely require a trip back to her hotel room. Unless, she was so drunk/drugged that she really didn't care.
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